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Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by rottennaija(m): 12:57pm On May 05, 2023
On May 10th, due to a lack of ammunition, the private military company "Wagner" will have to relinquish its positions in Bakhmut to the Russian Ministry of Defense and retreat to its rear camps, according to Prigozhin.

Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by rottennaija(m): 1:00pm On May 05, 2023
"I am formally addressing the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, the Chief of the General Staff, the Minister of Defense and the people of Russia.

I declare on behalf of the members of the PMC "Wagner", on behalf of the command of the PMC "Wagner", that on May 10, 2023, we are forced to transfer positions in the settlement of Bakhmut to the Ministry of Defense units and withdraw the rest of the PMC "Wagner" to the rear camps, to lick the wounds.

I am withdrawing the Wagner PMC units from Bakhmut, because in the absence of ammunition they are doomed to senseless death.

The Board of Commanders of the Wagner PMC has decided to hold their positions and continue the offensive at Bakhmut until May 10, 2023, so that the holy holiday for Russians - May 9, Victory Day - can be met with the brilliance of Russian weapons.

We will lick our wounds, and when the Motherland is in danger, we will rise again to defend it. The Russian people can count on us."

Statement by Evgeny Prigozhin and fighters of the PMC "Wagner".

Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by rottennaija(m): 1:04pm On May 05, 2023
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Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by rottennaija(m): 1:13pm On May 05, 2023
I'm going to upset a lot of people now, but let's be honest. Wagner is fighting hard in Bakhmut but it is not running the war and not the only ones fighting. They've been fighting North of Donetsk since the beginning while the rest of the fighters took most of

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Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by Tiopii: 3:25pm On May 05, 2023
rottennaija:
On May 10th, due to a lack of ammunition, the private military company "Wagner" will have to relinquish its positions in Bakhmut to the Russian Ministry of Defense and retreat to its rear camps, according to Prigozhin.


Prigozhin said he's leaving Bakmut, Nairaland War Veterans are saying he's lying. May 10th no far sha
Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by rottennaija(m): 8:10pm On May 05, 2023
Tiopii:



Prigozhin said he's leaving Bakmut, Nairaland War Veterans are saying he's lying. May 10th no far sha

Yes. He just have to tell the enemy your plan on TV and while at it, make videos, call the MoD that has been supplying with weapons and close air support names, make a big fuss about it. Let me ask you, when Russia withdrew from Kherson and Dnieper, did you hear about it? Anyway, believe it.

Do you think it's just Wagner that is fighting in the whole of Ukraine?
Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by ElisonKen: 8:44pm On May 05, 2023
Let the whole world be fighting in ukraine, Wagner says they're leaving the senseless war on 10th, so as to lick their wounds. Whats so big in understanding that? They are showing you fresh dead bodies and you still think is a video game. Okay, lets be watching the video game...
Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by Tiopii: 5:13am On May 06, 2023
rottennaija:


Yes. He just have to tell the enemy your plan on TV and while at it, make videos, call the MoD that has been supplying with weapons and close air support names, make a big fuss about it. Let me ask you, when Russia withdrew from Kherson and Dnieper, did you hear about it? Anyway, believe it.

Do you think it's just Wagner that is fighting in the whole of Ukraine?


Man is running to fight another day, you say he's telling the enemy his plan, if their plans are as good as you think, they would have at least captured Bakmut or won the war. This isn't the first time the man is complaining for lack of arms, man has lost too much men and at this rate the Wagner pmc would be toast, man is leaving with what is left and justifying his actions.

Man said Counter offensive would likely start from 15th, and he's leaving by 10th since no enough ammunition. you think you're smarter than him?

When Russia withdrew from Kherson and Kharkiv it was all over the news, Russia literally ran away after Ukraine make it unhabitable for them and left weapons for them. After the West/US the second biggest provider of weapons for Ukraine is Russia

It's isn't only Wagner fighting in Ukraine obviously, but they are like the best and most of the headway were made by them, but casualties are high he wants to lick his wounds. Russian army is ill trained and equipped with no battle experience just cannon fodders
Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by rottennaija(m): 6:00am On May 06, 2023
Tiopii:



Man is running to fight another day, you say he's telling the enemy his plan, if their plans are as good as you think, they would have at least captured Bakmut or won the war. This isn't the first time the man is complaining for lack of arms, man has lost too much men and at this rate the Wagner pmc would be toast, man is leaving with what is left and justifying his actions.

Man said Counter offensive would likely start from 15th, and he's leaving by 10th since no enough ammunition. you think you're smarter than him?

When Russia withdrew from Kherson and Kharkiv it was all over the news, Russia literally ran away after Ukraine make it unhabitable for them and left weapons for them. After the West/US the second biggest provider of weapons for Ukraine is Russia

It's isn't only Wagner fighting in Ukraine obviously, but they are like the best and most of the headway were made by them, but casualties are high he wants to lick his wounds. Russian army is ill trained and equipped with no battle experience just cannon fodders

Have seen your type before. It's your type that appear on channels TV repeating the main stream media lines.

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Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by rottennaija(m): 6:31am On May 06, 2023
Today #Bakhmut is denazified. In a final display of Russian artillery, the remaining 8 city blocks were cooked off from incendiary shells and #denazified. Bakhmut is done, the bulk of the Russian, Wagner forces have already moved down to assault and successfully take Maryinka.

Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by rottennaija(m): 6:32am On May 06, 2023
Tiopii:



Man is running to fight another day, you say he's telling the enemy his plan, if their plans are as good as you think, they would have at least captured Bakmut or won the war. This isn't the first time the man is complaining for lack of arms, man has lost too much men and at this rate the Wagner pmc would be toast, man is leaving with what is left and justifying his actions.

Man said Counter offensive would likely start from 15th, and he's leaving by 10th since no enough ammunition. you think you're smarter than him?

When Russia withdrew from Kherson and Kharkiv it was all over the news, Russia literally ran away after Ukraine make it unhabitable for them and left weapons for them. After the West/US the second biggest provider of weapons for Ukraine is Russia

It's isn't only Wagner fighting in Ukraine obviously, but they are like the best and most of the headway were made by them, but casualties are high he wants to lick his wounds. Russian army is ill trained and equipped with no battle experience just cannon fodders

When the Zionists, Rothschild's apparently ordered Russian President Putin to 'Go Along' with their #NWO New World Order to genocide much of the ancient Russian families in the Donbas to steal Trillions in natural resources, Putin reportedly said 'NO'. 2015 Putin labeled traitor

Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by Tiopii: 7:50am On May 06, 2023
rottennaija:


When the Zionists, Rothschild's apparently ordered Russian President Putin to 'Go Along' with their #NWO New World Order to genocide much of the ancient Russian families in the Donbas to steal Trillions in natural resources, Putin reportedly said 'NO'. 2015 Putin labeled traitor

LOL.. same Donbas that the terrorists there are sponsored by Russia. pls sit this one out.

Before you argue, even Putin admitted to it after the invasion started called the Russians backed terrorists "Militias of New Russia". so he seized the land for it's resources partially, Putin wanted to use this war to seize as much as Ukraine possible, but luckily for Ukraine the West/US decided to stand against the Invasion and possible consequence to Europe's stability and security.

Your saviour isn't who you think he is. He's no different from the west, but alot meaner

The article you posted is true, Putin is a threat to the World's global order, like the prime minister of Russia said "We are no more in an era of War". it is only right the West/US did something. you can't possibly think Russia didn't start the war
Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by Tiopii: 8:18am On May 06, 2023
rottennaija:


Have seen your type before. It's your type that appear on channels TV repeating the main stream media lines.



LOL. For over 7 months Russia couldn't capture any city in their counter offensive, all their offensive was based in Bakmut and they are yet to capture the city, they are even using cluster ammunition and incendiary weapons. They can't even take Bakmut in a fair battles. Wagner PMC and Russia's Military would be in Bakmut until the counter offensive catches up with them. you're praising the last kick of a dying horse πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚.

Counter Offensive soon. Slava Ukraini
Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by Tiopii: 9:28am On May 06, 2023
Russia would retreat victoriously don't worry boss
Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by rottennaija(m): 1:42pm On May 06, 2023
Tiopii:




LOL. For over 7 months Russia couldn't capture any city in their counter offensive, all their offensive was based in Bakmut and they are yet to capture the city, they are even using cluster ammunition and incendiary weapons. They can't even take Bakmut in a fair battles. Wagner PMC and Russia's Military would be in Bakmut until the counter offensive catches up with them. you're praising the last kick of a dying horse πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚.

Counter Offensive soon. Slava Ukraini

That's what attritional warfare is about. It's not about territories but about destroying the other Army.
Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by Tiopii: 2:38pm On May 06, 2023
rottennaija:


That's what attritional warfare is about. It's not about territories but about destroying the other Army.


bros, the reason it seems like it's attritional warfare is cos Russia military hasn't been able to overwhelm Ukraine defense. Russia have been on the offensive for 7 months + and they said they haven't changed their goal to seize the entire Donbas, Bakmut included.

there's no sense in fighting attritional warfare with an enemy if you can conveniently beat them, Russia is fighting attritional warfare, but Wagner PMC chief has said they would be pulling out to lick their wounds, Russia has been building defensive fortification in areas they occupy. Russia is fighting attritional warfare but Ukraine is going on the counter offensive soon.

Russia military called Bakmut the meat grinder, Russia military lose and Wagner PMC lose are enormous. it's only natural in warfare that the attacker have more casualties than the defenders.

Russia are suffering in the Ukraine war, their parliament recently voted to enter war economy. The war is at this stage cos Ukraine have held up well.
Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by rottennaija(m): 9:09am On May 07, 2023
Tiopii:



bros, the reason it seems like it's attritional warfare is cos Russia military hasn't been able to overwhelm Ukraine defense. Russia have been on the offensive for 7 months + and they said they haven't changed their goal to seize the entire Donbas, Bakmut included.

there's no sense in fighting attritional warfare with an enemy if you can conveniently beat them, Russia is fighting attritional warfare, but Wagner PMC chief has said they would be pulling out to lick their wounds, Russia has been building defensive fortification in areas they occupy. Russia is fighting attritional warfare but Ukraine is going on the counter offensive soon.

Russia military called Bakmut the meat grinder, Russia military lose and Wagner PMC lose are enormous. it's only natural in warfare that the attacker have more casualties than the defenders.

Russia are suffering in the Ukraine war, their parliament recently voted to enter war economy. The war is at this stage cos Ukraine have held up well.

Good for you. It seems you have forgotten that Russia isn't just fighting Ukraine but the entire NATO in Ukraine and that has been taking Ukrainian, train them in NATO countries and the US, bring them back, supply them with heavy weapons and equipments.

So if you were Ru, would you want to fight them in Kiev or in Bakhmut and the other front line that will be easily defended? You people want a show, Ru isn't in for a show, they fight a war to win and running over the entire Ukraine and losing equipment and aircraft isn't the way to do it. You fight a war in the way that best suit you, not the way your enemy wants you to fight.

Ru has more than 500k army station in Belarus, they have another waiting for US or Poland just incase they decide to get directly involved.

Ru isn't going to fight in way that pleases you. They are going to fight in a way that they want to.
Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by Tiopii: 10:31am On May 07, 2023
rottennaija:


Good for you. It seems you have forgotten that Russia isn't just fighting Ukraine but the entire NATO in Ukraine and that has been taking Ukrainian, train them in NATO countries and the US, bring them back, supply them with heavy weapons and equipments.

So if you were Ru, would you want to fight them in Kiev or in Bakhmut and the other front line that will be easily defended? You people want a show, Ru isn't in for a show, they fight a war to win and running over the entire Ukraine and losing equipment and aircraft isn't the way to do it. You fight a war in the way that best suit you, not the way your enemy wants you to fight.

Ru has more than 500k army station in Belarus, they have another waiting for US or Poland just incase they decide to get directly involved.

Ru isn't going to fight in way that pleases you. They are going to fight in a way that they want to.


LOL. Russia isn't fighting NATO, NATO is giving Ukraine weapons and training their soldiers. Same way US armed USSR against Germany, and nobody said Germany were fighting the US and USSR.

If NATO were to be involved the war would be over in less than a month. as weapons are only good as the welders and Ukraine started training on them recently and most of the weapons given to Ukraine were made in the 80s.

At the beginning of the war, Russia tried attacking Kyiv and were repelled and pushed back, don't act like Russia didn't try to abeg. Russia that said the war would be over in over two weeks are still fighting for close to a year.

Russia is fighting the war Ukraine wants them to fight, you came to conquer a country and for over 7 months you haven't been able to capture any new territory.

Russia called up 300k+ around September during their partial mobilization. The Russians soldiers in Belarus went there for training and most of them are already in Ukraine fighting. Russia doesn't have any 500k reserve anywhere to call up.

If Poland or US gets directly involved if Russia don't go Nuclear, they are toast. Just Poland would dismantle them, US is an overreach.

You think it's in Russia's bests interest that the war continues? Russia's state Duma voted to enter War economy. and I understand you don't know what it means and the consequences for Russians now and later.



Russia has been on the offensive for 7 months and no new territory captured and you're saying it's intensionalπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚. Ukraine backed them to a corner and they are not/can't make any territorial gain.

If Russia would ever go on an offensive again, they would need to remobilize, the problem is those in action already are complaining of lack of ammunition and outdated equipments. so where would Russia get ammunition for another hundred of thousands of conscripts.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ACSvN4pWTc this a pro Russian YouTube channel even them are coming to the realization of what's coming.

Emotions don't win you wars, Money and weapons does.
Adios
Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by scully95: 11:47am On May 07, 2023
Tiopii:


LOL. For over 7 months Russia couldn't capture any city in their counter offensive, all their offensive was based in Bakmut and they are yet to capture the city, they are even using cluster ammunition and incendiary weapons.

Is that the new cope for losing massively? The meat grinder is doing exactly what Russia called it, a Special military operation to denazify Ukraine, but guess what, they are not only denazifying Ukraine but the whole of NATO and the remnants of the spent Armies. By that, I meant spending over 20 years in Afghanistan and losing, ran out overnight. Now that is an idea of a spent army.

Tiopii:

They can't even take Bakmut in a fair battles. Wagner PMC and Russia's Military would be in Bakmut until the counter offensive catches up with them. you're praising the last kick of a dying horse πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚.

Counter Offensive soon. Slava Ukraini

The idea originally is not to occupy, or understand English small pls, the idea is to denazify but then it changed truely occupying. They are not taking it, it has always belonged to the Russian-speaking majority who live there. Let me also remind you that the President Yanokowich that was removed by the U.S sponsored Regime change in 2014 was born in the Donbass. And guess what, PMC is the one fighting. Private military company - This must be remembered in history books that almighty NATO after training NAZIs for over 8 years, supply them with massive weapons and ammunition only to be losing to ordinary PMC in the ATERMOCSK Battle. It's a PR failure on the side of combined NATO and all of the remnants. It's a sad reality.



Tiopii:



LOL. Russia isn't fighting NATO, NATO is giving Ukraine weapons and training their soldiers. Same way US armed USSR against Germany, and nobody said Germany were fighting the US and USSR.

If NATO were to be involved the war would be over in less than a month. as weapons are only good as the welders and Ukraine started training on them recently and most of the weapons given to Ukraine were made in the 80s.

At the beginning of the war, Russia tried attacking Kyiv and were repelled and pushed back, don't act like Russia didn't try to abeg. Russia that said the war would be over in over two weeks are still fighting for close to a year.

Russia is fighting the war Ukraine wants them to fight, you came to conquer a country and for over 7 months you haven't been able to capture any new territory.

Why do you like living in denial? Go get loaded with info about the lend lease act, the U.S. rendered to the USSR, always be informed, it's like what is happening in Ukraine as we speak. If the West wants to save face, they can come back to their senses, cos they are losing massively, all they need to do is say, truly, Zelenky is a NAZI and they need to remove him, now to do that, they're going to side with anyone offing the NAZI. That is exactly what happened in the 2nd world war. Whether you like it or not Russia will still overrun them, Russia is taking it slowly and steadily. When was the last time you even heard the NAZI trained crooks took any village, let alone a Building? It's been long. This is history repeating itself. The Lend lease ACT which Russia paid for everything was like that. it was saving face.


Tiopii:

Russia called up 300k+ around September during their partial mobilization. The Russians soldiers in Belarus went there for training and most of them are already in Ukraine fighting. Russia doesn't have any 500k reserve anywhere to call up.

If Poland or US gets directly involved if Russia don't go Nuclear, they are toast. Just Poland would dismantle them, US is an overreach.

You think it's in Russia's bests interest that the war continues? Russia's state Duma voted to enter War economy. and I understand you don't know what it means and the consequences for Russians now and later.

You don't know anything about war at all. The 300 Partial mobilizations were specifically used to Occupy land already taken by the PMC and other Russian forces on the ground. Understand small things about war. When Russia retreated to the other side of the Dnipo River, it could not stabilize the front because they were no occupying forces, those 300k were specifically occupying the land already taken, Look at it, a full stretch front has since been stabilized. If you don't know anything about the war, please stop typing. You are too less informed, you are typing based on emotions. it's too poor.

Tiopii:



Russia has been on the offensive for 7 months and no new territory captured and you're saying it's intensionalπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚. Ukraine backed them to a corner and they are not/can't make any territorial gain.

If Russia would ever go on an offensive again, they would need to remobilize, the problem is those in action already are complaining of lack of ammunition and outdated equipments. so where would Russia get ammunition for another hundred of thousands of conscripts.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ACSvN4pWTc this a pro Russian YouTube channel even them are coming to the realization of what's coming.

Emotions don't win you wars, Money and weapons does.
Adios

As I explained to you already about the issue you raised, you see the same tactics you are using, emotions. It's not what wins the war. Strategies, logistics are what wins it. Russia got all the cards as we speak. Look at the front. Russia has been on the offensive but guess who is doing the offensive? PMC and they are using private military. Did you see that strategy?

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Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by rottennaija(m): 3:18pm On May 07, 2023
Tiopii:



LOL. Russia isn't fighting NATO, NATO is giving Ukraine weapons and training their soldiers. Same way US armed USSR against Germany, and nobody said Germany were fighting the US and USSR.

If NATO were to be involved the war would be over in less than a month. as weapons are only good as the welders and Ukraine started training on them recently and most of the weapons given to Ukraine were made in the 80s.

At the beginning of the war, Russia tried attacking Kyiv and were repelled and pushed back, don't act like Russia didn't try to abeg. Russia that said the war would be over in over two weeks are still fighting for close to a year.

Russia is fighting the war Ukraine wants them to fight, you came to conquer a country and for over 7 months you haven't been able to capture any new territory.

Russia called up 300k+ around September during their partial mobilization. The Russians soldiers in Belarus went there for training and most of them are already in Ukraine fighting. Russia doesn't have any 500k reserve anywhere to call up.

If Poland or US gets directly involved if Russia don't go Nuclear, they are toast. Just Poland would dismantle them, US is an overreach.

You think it's in Russia's bests interest that the war continues? Russia's state Duma voted to enter War economy. and I understand you don't know what it means and the consequences for Russians now and later.



Russia has been on the offensive for 7 months and no new territory captured and you're saying it's intensionalπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚. Ukraine backed them to a corner and they are not/can't make any territorial gain.

If Russia would ever go on an offensive again, they would need to remobilize, the problem is those in action already are complaining of lack of ammunition and outdated equipments. so where would Russia get ammunition for another hundred of thousands of conscripts.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ACSvN4pWTc this a pro Russian YouTube channel even them are coming to the realization of what's coming.

Emotions don't win you wars, Money and weapons does.
Adios
Good for you. Time will tell.
Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by Tiopii: 3:22pm On May 07, 2023
scully95:


Is that the new cope for losing massively? The meat grinder is doing exactly what Russia called it, a Special military operation to denazify Ukraine, but guess what, they are not only denazifying Ukraine but the whole of NATO and the remnants of the spent Armies. By that, I meant spending over 20 years in Afghanistan and losing, ran out overnight. Now that is an idea of a spent army.

*πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚. The meat grinder is for Russian soldiers, There is no nazi to denazify, how you think Russia can take the whole of NATO is still beyond me o, since NATO started arming Ukraine, Russia hasn't captured any new territory. Wagner that has captured Bakmut for over 3 months now. US/Afgha is another issue entirely*



The idea originally is not to occupy, or understand English small pls, the idea is to denazify but then it changed truely occupying. They are not taking it, it has always belonged to the Russian-speaking majority who live there. Let me also remind you that the President Yanokowich that was removed by the U.S sponsored Regime change in 2014 was born in the Donbass. And guess what, PMC is the one fighting. Private military company - This must be remembered in history books that almighty NATO after training NAZIs for over 8 years, supply them with massive weapons and ammunition only to be losing to ordinary PMC in the ATERMOCSK Battle. It's a PR failure on the side of combined NATO and all of the remnants. It's a sad reality.

*Bro, the original idea was to occupy they failed and were replled from Kyiv, there's no need lying about it, Russia wanted to conquer Ukraine simple, but they have been unable to. US didn't remove anybody, the people of Ukraine wanted a Pro West Govt simple. if NATO has been supplying Ukraine weapons for 8 yrs, they would have taken Donbass long ago. Ukraine would even have taken the Donbas region from Russian backed separatist if Putin didn't start this war.*





Why do you like living in denial? Go get loaded with info about the Land Use Act the U.S. rendered to the USSR, always be informed, it's like what is happening in Ukraine as we speak. If the West wants to save face, they can come back to their senses, cos they are losing massively, all they need to do is say, truly, Zelenky is a NAZI and they need to remove him, now to do that, they're going to side with anyone offing the NAZI. That is exactly what happened in the 2nd world war. Whether you like it or not Russia will still overrun them, Russia is taking it slowly and steadily. When was the last time you even heard the NAZI trained crooks took any village, let alone a Building? It's been long. This is history repeating itself. The Land use ACT which Russia paid for everything was like that. it was saving face.

The act I'm talking about is the Lend Lease act, I don't know any Land use act, except the one in Lagos sha. Ukraine has been on the defensive for 7months +, when Ukraine last want on their own offensive they took Kherson and Kharkiv, without NATO weapons, now NATO weapons are here babyyπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚. You have no idea bout the Lend Lease act, so you dunno what you're saying. Even the Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk, and Zaporizhzhia that Russia annexed, they don't even control those areas.

With Ukraine offensive looming, Russia has been building defensive fortifications everywhere, even in Crimea and parts of Belgorod.




You don't know anything about war at all. The 300 Partial mobilizations were specifically used to Occupy land already taken by the PMC and other Russian forces on the ground. Understand small things about war. When Russia retreated to the other side of the Dnipo River, it could not stabilize the front because they were no occupying forces, those 300k were specifically occupying the land already taken, Look at it, a full stretch front has since been stabilized. If you don't know anything about the war, please stop typing. You are too less informed, you are typing based on emotions. it's too poor.

The 300k mobilized, at least you know they are in battle already, your bro @kingnairaland or so says they are still in training, and would be training for 2 yrs.



As I explained to you already about the issue you raised, you see the same tactics you are using, emotions. It's not what wins the war. Strategies, logistics are what wins it. Russia got all the cards as we speak. Look at the front. Russia has been on the offensive but guess who is doing the offensive? PMC and they are using private military. Did you see that strategy?

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scully95:


Russia doesn't have anymore card left, Ukraine have outmaneuvered Russia that's why in 7 months they are still fighting for Bakmut. it wasn't Russia's plan to turn Bakmut to a Meat grinder, it was Ukraine's plan, that's why Ukraine refused to leave Bakmut and instead kill as many as possible and Russia keep sending forces there. Russia have lost so much in Bakmut their ego have them tied there.

Is that the new cope for losing massively? The meat grinder is doing exactly what Russia called it, a Special military operation to denazify Ukraine, but guess what, they are not only denazifying Ukraine but the whole of NATO and the remnants of the spent Armies. By that, I meant spending over 20 years in Afghanistan and losing, ran out overnight. Now that is an idea of a spent army.



The idea originally is not to occupy, or understand English small pls, the idea is to denazify but then it changed truely occupying. They are not taking it, it has always belonged to the Russian-speaking majority who live there. Let me also remind you that the President Yanokowich that was removed by the U.S sponsored Regime change in 2014 was born in the Donbass. And guess what, PMC is the one fighting. Private military company - This must be remembered in history books that almighty NATO after training NAZIs for over 8 years, supply them with massive weapons and ammunition only to be losing to ordinary PMC in the ATERMOCSK Battle. It's a PR failure on the side of combined NATO and all of the remnants. It's a sad reality.





Why do you like living in denial? Go get loaded with info about the Land Use Act the U.S. rendered to the USSR, always be informed, it's like what is happening in Ukraine as we speak. If the West wants to save face, they can come back to their senses, cos they are losing massively, all they need to do is say, truly, Zelenky is a NAZI and they need to remove him, now to do that, they're going to side with anyone offing the NAZI. That is exactly what happened in the 2nd world war. Whether you like it or not Russia will still overrun them, Russia is taking it slowly and steadily. When was the last time you even heard the NAZI trained crooks took any village, let alone a Building? It's been long. This is history repeating itself. The Land use ACT which Russia paid for everything was like that. it was saving face.




You don't know anything about war at all. The 300 Partial mobilizations were specifically used to Occupy land already taken by the PMC and other Russian forces on the ground. Understand small things about war. When Russia retreated to the other side of the Dnipo River, it could not stabilize the front because they were no occupying forces, those 300k were specifically occupying the land already taken, Look at it, a full stretch front has since been stabilized. If you don't know anything about the war, please stop typing. You are too less informed, you are typing based on emotions. it's too poor.



As I explained to you already about the issue you raised, you see the same tactics you are using, emotions. It's not what wins the war. Strategies, logistics are what wins it. Russia got all the cards as we speak. Look at the front. Russia has been on the offensive but guess who is doing the offensive? PMC and they are using private military. Did you see that strategy?

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scully95:


Is that the new cope for losing massively? The meat grinder is doing exactly what Russia called it, a Special military operation to denazify Ukraine, but guess what, they are not only denazifying Ukraine but the whole of NATO and the remnants of the spent Armies. By that, I meant spending over 20 years in Afghanistan and losing, ran out overnight. Now that is an idea of a spent army.



The idea originally is not to occupy, or understand English small pls, the idea is to denazify but then it changed truely occupying. They are not taking it, it has always belonged to the Russian-speaking majority who live there. Let me also remind you that the President Yanokowich that was removed by the U.S sponsored Regime change in 2014 was born in the Donbass. And guess what, PMC is the one fighting. Private military company - This must be remembered in history books that almighty NATO after training NAZIs for over 8 years, supply them with massive weapons and ammunition only to be losing to ordinary PMC in the ATERMOCSK Battle. It's a PR failure on the side of combined NATO and all of the remnants. It's a sad reality.





Why do you like living in denial? Go get loaded with info about the Land Use Act the U.S. rendered to the USSR, always be informed, it's like what is happening in Ukraine as we speak. If the West wants to save face, they can come back to their senses, cos they are losing massively, all they need to do is say, truly, Zelenky is a NAZI and they need to remove him, now to do that, they're going to side with anyone offing the NAZI. That is exactly what happened in the 2nd world war. Whether you like it or not Russia will still overrun them, Russia is taking it slowly and steadily. When was the last time you even heard the NAZI trained crooks took any village, let alone a Building? It's been long. This is history repeating itself. The Land use ACT which Russia paid for everything was like that. it was saving face.




You don't know anything about war at all. The 300 Partial mobilizations were specifically used to Occupy land already taken by the PMC and other Russian forces on the ground. Understand small things about war. When Russia retreated to the other side of the Dnipo River, it could not stabilize the front because they were no occupying forces, those 300k were specifically occupying the land already taken, Look at it, a full stretch front has since been stabilized. If you don't know anything about the war, please stop typing. You are too less informed, you are typing based on emotions. it's too poor.



As I explained to you already about the issue you raised, you see the same tactics you are using, emotions. It's not what wins the war. Strategies, logistics are what wins it. Russia got all the cards as we speak. Look at the front. Russia has been on the offensive but guess who is doing the offensive? PMC and they are using private military. Did you see that strategy?

Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by Tiopii: 3:24pm On May 07, 2023
rottennaija:

Good for you. Time will tell.


At least you have stopped arguing, you're right, Time would tell. hopefully we would all still be here.
Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by Tiopii: 4:21pm On May 07, 2023
scully95:


Is that the new cope for losing massively? The meat grinder is doing exactly what Russia called it, a Special military operation to denazify Ukraine, but guess what, they are not only denazifying Ukraine but the whole of NATO and the remnants of the spent Armies. By that, I meant spending over 20 years in Afghanistan and losing, ran out overnight. Now that is an idea of a spent army.



The idea originally is not to occupy, or understand English small pls, the idea is to denazify but then it changed truely occupying. They are not taking it, it has always belonged to the Russian-speaking majority who live there. Let me also remind you that the President Yanokowich that was removed by the U.S sponsored Regime change in 2014 was born in the Donbass. And guess what, PMC is the one fighting. Private military company - This must be remembered in history books that almighty NATO after training NAZIs for over 8 years, supply them with massive weapons and ammunition only to be losing to ordinary PMC in the ATERMOCSK Battle. It's a PR failure on the side of combined NATO and all of the remnants. It's a sad reality.





Why do you like living in denial? Go get loaded with info about the Land Use Act the U.S. rendered to the USSR, always be informed, it's like what is happening in Ukraine as we speak. If the West wants to save face, they can come back to their senses, cos they are losing massively, all they need to do is say, truly, Zelenky is a NAZI and they need to remove him, now to do that, they're going to side with anyone offing the NAZI. That is exactly what happened in the 2nd world war. Whether you like it or not Russia will still overrun them, Russia is taking it slowly and steadily. When was the last time you even heard the NAZI trained crooks took any village, let alone a Building? It's been long. This is history repeating itself. The Land use ACT which Russia paid for everything was like that. it was saving face.




You don't know anything about war at all. The 300 Partial mobilizations were specifically used to Occupy land already taken by the PMC and other Russian forces on the ground. Understand small things about war. When Russia retreated to the other side of the Dnipo River, it could not stabilize the front because they were no occupying forces, those 300k were specifically occupying the land already taken, Look at it, a full stretch front has since been stabilized. If you don't know anything about the war, please stop typing. You are too less informed, you are typing based on emotions. it's too poor.



As I explained to you already about the issue you raised, you see the same tactics you are using, emotions. It's not what wins the war. Strategies, logistics are what wins it. Russia got all the cards as we speak. Look at the front. Russia has been on the offensive but guess who is doing the offensive? PMC and they are using private military. Did you see that strategy?


The meat grinder is for Russian soldiers, There is no nazi to denazify, how you think Russia can take the whole of NATO is still beyond me o, since NATO started armπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ing Ukraine, Russia hasn't captured any new territory. Wagner that has captured Bakmut for over 3 months now. US/Afgha is another issue entirely.
Bro, the original idea was to occupy they failed and were replled from Kyiv, there's no need lying about it, Russia wanted to conquer Ukraine simple, but they have been unable to. US didn't remove anybody, the people of Ukraine wanted a Pro West Govt simple, their economy was taking a beating and their over reliance on the Russian economy which wasn't so great and they wanted the economic prosperity and security guarantee the EU and NATO could offer like other former USSR territories. if NATO has been supplying Ukraine weapons for 8 yrs, they would have taken Donbas from Russian backed separatist long time ago
The 300k mobilized, at least you know they are in battle already, your bro @Kingsnairaland says they are still in training, and would be training for 2 yrs. I wonder how many yrs Russia use in training special forces, maybe 7 yrsπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Russia doesn't have anymore card left, Ukraine have outmaneuvered Russia that's why in 7 months they are still fighting for Bakmut. it wasn't Russia's plan to turn Bakmut to a Meat grinder, it was Ukraine's plan, that's why Ukraine refused to leave Bakmut and instead kill as many as possible and Russia keep sending forces there. Russia have lost so much in Bakmut their ego have them tied there. More importantly, it would provide a stepping stone for Russia to advance on two bigger cities it has long coveted in the Donetsk region: Kramatorsk and Sloviansk. Most if not all of Russian offensive force are in Bakmut so don't act like they have been fighting in Bakmut for 7months + cos Russia wants to. RU have been there cos they can't make progress cos they met a stiff opposition.
The act I'm talking about is the Lend Lease act, I don't know any Land use act, except the one in Lagos sha. Ukraine has been on the defensive for 7months +, when Ukraine last want on their own offensive they took Kherson and Kharkiv, without NATO weapons, now NATO weapons are here babyyπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚. You have no idea bout the Lend Lease act, so you dunno what you're saying. Even the Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk, and Zaporizhzhia that Russia annexed, they don't even control those areas.
With Ukraine offensive looming, Russia has been building defensive fortifications everywhere, even in Crimea and parts of Belgorod.
Second World war, US/West were on Russia's side against Germany, now they are on Ukraine's side against Russia. The new Nazis are Russia. This slow and steady thing is quite funny cos Russia wanted a quick victory in Ukraine. Ukraine is forcing their hand
If I am to understand you, the 300k soldiers are in the other size of the Dnipo river?πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ Occupying there? They should be engaging the Ukraine army na
The offensive Wagner PMC are doing, what have they achieved so far? Aside lose their men and complain of lack of ammunition
Most of the NATO trained Ukraine soldiers are returning from their training, they haven't been involved in the defense of Bakmut but rather mastering the new Western weapons and getting ready for their offensive.
Ukraine has repelled RU in Bakmut for over 7 months, sent men to training in NATO territories, got new Western weapons, mastering the weapons and you want to believe RU is the one succeeding or tying down Ukraine in Bakmut.

One question, are you a full time or part time comedian?
Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by rottennaija(m): 6:51pm On May 07, 2023
Tiopii:



At least you have stopped arguing, you're right, Time would tell. hopefully we would all still be here.

If you had noticed, I stop having time to argue with NAFO and western propagandists. I just don't have that time.

Ruble will turn to rubble, Putin will be deposed, ghost of Kiev etc. Have seen all these and after a time of long argument, I just realized that as time goes on, most of your will start crawling back into your holes as reality dawn in. Where are those who were saying US has hypersonic missiles? Where are they today? πŸ€¦πŸΏβ€β™‚οΈ

These are just some of the reasons I don't have una time. Reality is reality. It cannot be bargain with. You can believe propaganda all you want, but when reality dawns in, you will crawl back.

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Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by Tiopii: 9:10pm On May 07, 2023
rottennaija:


If you had noticed, I stop having time to argue with NAFO and western propagandists. I just don't have that time.

Ruble will turn to rubble, Putin will be deposed, ghost of Kiev etc. Have seen all these and after a time of long argument, I just realized that as time goes on, most of your will start crawling back into your holes as reality dawn in. Where are those who were saying US has hypersonic missiles? Where are they today? πŸ€¦πŸΏβ€β™‚οΈ

These are just some of the reasons I don't have una time. Reality is reality. It cannot be bargain with. You can believe propaganda all you want, but when reality dawns in, you will crawl back.


Man you don't substantial proof, it's normal to accept superior facts. Russia that has hypersonic missiles how has it helped them in Ukraine, Ukraine even said the Patriotic Air Defense system intercepted one hypersonic missile.

Ruble has actually turned to rubble if you compare the exchange rate of Dollar to ruble pre war and presently.

The thing with Russian weapons is they are not usually as good as they claim, doesn't mean it is bad or ineffective.

Like I said earlier you've no argument just emotions and sentiments.

Let's see how the counter offensive would go. but I can tell for a fact Russia without any mobilization can't conduct anymore offensive beyond Bakmut.

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Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by scully95: 11:56pm On May 07, 2023
Tiopii:


The meat grinder is for Russian soldiers, There is no nazi to denazify, how you think Russia can take the whole of NATO is still beyond me o, since NATO started armπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ing Ukraine, Russia hasn't captured any new territory. Wagner that has captured Bakmut for over 3 months now. US/Afgha is another issue entirely.

NATO is long outdated. Do you even think Russia by territory that is bigger than all the NATO states combined? Go and confirm that again. So in your mind, or your changing narrative that cannot be changed ever due to super facts on the ground. Russia has a landmass bigger than U.S. 2.7 times. Bigger than the whole of NATO Plus the U.S combined. For once you think an outdated, propaganda force like NATO could stand a chance? Cowardice has 226 languages and that is exactly what the U.S. has become, the de-facto leader of the anglozionist empire. To fight Russia, you need to go through Ukraine. To fight China you also need to go through Taiwan. OMg. What an outdated ideology yet you keep gapping NAFO Errotics. Sometimes, I wonder how could human race stoop so low to having mere opportunists, a Monkey republic which does not even have a sovereign state ever lead any human race.

Tiopii:

Bro, the original idea was to occupy they failed and were replled from Kyiv, there's no need lying about it, Russia wanted to conquer Ukraine simple, but they have been unable to. US didn't remove anybody, the people of Ukraine wanted a Pro West Govt simple, their economy was taking a beating and their over reliance on the Russian economy which wasn't so great and they wanted the economic prosperity and security guarantee the EU and NATO could offer like other former USSR territories. if NATO has been supplying Ukraine weapons for 8 yrs, they would have taken Donbas from Russian backed separatist long time ago

If you don't know anything, you should keep calm and learn from those who know. Ok. The original idea was to get a political victory without the need to waste the lives of Nazi battalions installed since 2014. This is exactly what Russia did in Georgia in 2008. It turns out Georgia was an even smarter nation than Ukraine. That war in 2008 ended in 5 days. Russia got the political victory it wanted and till tomorrow, South Essetia and Havkkazia are autonomous republics. History will always remember Russia for this. Ok. And let me also remind you, the last time Russia had a political victory using its army in the last 2 decades was in 2008. Mention the last time your NATO/U.S. had such a political victory in the last 20 years. If you don't know anything, again keep calm and learn. You need more training, NAFO who trained you did not train you well. Here I will give you facts and figures.

Let me remind you, Russia first of all went to Kiev to get a political solution. That is, put it on paper that Donbass and Luganst are autonomous republics, and also the Crimean Peninsula has rejoined her parent country Russia. Now check the map and Tell me if this is not what Russia initially went to Kiev the first time to get. When the Puppet in Kiev Ran to Poland. Then it changed from there on to clear the NAZI forces. And it started from MAriopol. Have you heard anything of recent about Mariopol after it was taken? Pls, stop typing before I continue again.

Tiopii:

The 300k mobilized, at least you know they are in battle already, your bro @Kingsnairaland says they are still in training, and would be training for 2 yrs. I wonder how many yrs Russia use in training special forces, maybe 7 yrsπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Russia doesn't have anymore card left, Ukraine have outmaneuvered Russia that's why in 7 months they are still fighting for Bakmut. it wasn't Russia's plan to turn Bakmut to a Meat grinder, it was Ukraine's plan, that's why Ukraine refused to leave Bakmut and instead kill as many as possible and Russia keep sending forces there. Russia have lost so much in Bakmut their ego have them tied there. More importantly, it would provide a stepping stone for Russia to advance on two bigger cities it has long coveted in the Donetsk region: Kramatorsk and Sloviansk. Most if not all of Russian offensive force are in Bakmut so don't act like they have been fighting in Bakmut for 7months + cos Russia wants to. RU have been there cos they can't make progress cos they met a stiff opposition.



Look at the first map

Now look at the second one


Do you see where Russians are for now? The left side of the

Look at the map again... Look very well. Russians are on that side of the River and Guess what? The front has been completely stabilized so where the main forces are is along that side of the River upward. Understand Russian tactics for once before you make the mouth. FROM history the Region along the River where Russia is, was part of Russia. Till Kiev combined with Belarus. NOVO Rossia is what it was called. Even till Odessa, another Russian city. So it's glaring why the major front is now in Donbass. From Donbass upward to Kiev along that Dniper Rivver, Russia will take it all eventually. That is the tactics. This is why Artemoscks is one of the most fortified regions ever. Hence you have it... MEAT GRINDER. History will remember this day very well. Again if you don't know anything about the war, you should not be employed by those who keep paying you. THE EAST OF UKRAINE TO THE RIVER IS WHERE ALL ANGLOZIONIST EMPIRE FALL, ITS GRAVEYARD. Dating as far back as the Crimean penisular war. Understand history first.

Tiopii:

The act I'm talking about is the Lend Lease act, I don't know any Land use act, except the one in Lagos sha. Ukraine has been on the defensive for 7months +, when Ukraine last want on their own offensive they took Kherson and Kharkiv, without NATO weapons, now NATO weapons are here babyyπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚. You have no idea bout the Lend Lease act, so you dunno what you're saying. Even the Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk, and Zaporizhzhia that Russia annexed, they don't even control those areas.
With Ukraine offensive looming, Russia has been building defensive fortifications everywhere, even in Crimea and parts of Belgorod.
Second World war, US/West were on Russia's side against Germany, now they are on Ukraine's side against Russia. The new Nazis are Russia. This slow and steady thing is quite funny cos Russia wanted a quick victory in Ukraine. Ukraine is forcing their hand
If I am to understand you, the 300k soldiers are in the other size of the Dnipo river?πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ Occupying there? They should be engaging the Ukraine army na


Yes, sorry for the typo. Lend act which Ukraine just go dragged into. That is what the U.S. did to USSR just when it became glaring that they were losing massively. And it was a saving face act on the empire that was supporting the fascist German sect with all you could imagine, a carbon copy of what they are doing now to Ukraine. OK. Understand this fact in history and know Peace. if you throw a knife up 1 million times, only that flattened side of it will land on the ground. The act only provide about 5-8% of the resources Russia needed at the time. Let me also remind you that after Red Army got to Berlin. The U.S. and Britain, part of the saving face, bombed the hell out of Dresden Germany an example today is Lviv. Where the core fascist ideology was its base. The bombing of the city of Dresen, Genocide there was more than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. Let me lecture you on these facts.


Tiopii:

The offensive Wagner PMC are doing, what have they achieved so far? [/b]Aside lose their men and complain of lack of ammunition
Most of the NATO trained Ukraine soldiers are returning from their training, they haven't been involved in the defense of Bakmut but rather mastering the new Western weapons and getting ready for their offensive.
[b]Ukraine has repelled RU in Bakmut for over 7 months,
sent men to training in NATO territories, got new Western weapons, mastering the weapons and you want to believe RU is the one succeeding or tying down Ukraine in Bakmut.

One question, are you a full time or part time comedian?


They have achieved victory so far and Artyomovsk/Bakhmut the meat grinder is only 2-4% left under the control of the Ukrainian Forces. That is a fact as we type.
Ukraine has been grounded for months and it has been very slow and steady. What Does that mean? It will take longer for Russia to finally retake all of Donbass? What do you think will happen by the time the whole of Donbass is taken? Kiev is not far. This will forever close the border to mainland Russia. On the left of the River, expect everything along that line to fall. Then Russia comes again to the table with a New offer. NATO/U.S. wants off the NAzi or Russia will continue? UNDERSTAND history first before you reply again... You need to go back to studying first.


Tiopii:

Man you don't substantial proof, it's normal to accept superior facts. Russia that has hypersonic missiles how has it helped them in Ukraine, Ukraine even said the Patriotic Air Defense system intercepted one hypersonic missile.

You are always updated on the Narcotics. Lol. Lol Again... What about the Ghost of Kiev? Where is he today? You could even bring that Rubbish on here. OMG. You should stop and tell your masters or those teaching you, you get a superior counter and up to date person with facts and figures. You are so up on the nonsense... Just look at what they have turned into... A propaganda war, trying to boost morale. Lol. The last time, it was Russian weapons soon finish right? Now it's this one... What about the Snake Island? Ukraine said LOL... Pls, stop already.


Tiopii:

Ruble has actually turned to rubble if you compare the exchange rate of Dollar to ruble pre war and presently.

The thing with Russian weapons is they are not usually as good as they claim, doesn't mean it is bad or ineffective.

Like I said earlier you've no argument just emotions and sentiments.

Let's see how the counter offensive would go. but I can tell for a fact Russia without any mobilization can conduct anymore offensive beyond Bakmut.

You just told a lie again. Just when the war started, the news and all, 1 USD gained strength to a level of 145 USD from 72 to a Ruble. After a year, with all the 8000 Sanctions. Which failed massively which was not even about Russia but to contain Europe and Germany.
Let me also tell you, the U.S. is poking China to also take Europe completely away from China. If you don't know today. Know this for a fact. Russia already played its card. It won't save any Stupid Germany again but will stop them in Ukraine cos of HISTORY again REPEATING ITSELF.

The thing about Russian weapons is this and this is a fact.. if you want to win a war, you have no better option other than Russian weapons but if you only want to flex muscle, then go for the western useless ones.
WAR CAN ONLY BE WON IN THE HEART OF THE PEOPLE. When you try to CANCEL A CULTURE, YOU CAN NEVER WIN WAR LIKE THAT...
A HIGHER CULTURE ALWAYS PRESERVES AND RESPECTS ALL CULTURES. ONLY AN INFERIOR CULTURE TRIES TO CANCEL A SUPERIOR ONE.

Let me end with hat one today. THE WEST IS WRONG AND WILL LOSE.

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Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by Tiopii: 2:01am On May 08, 2023
scully95:


NATO is long outdated. Do you even think Russia by territory that is bigger than all the NATO states combined? Go and confirm that again. So in your mind, or your changing narrative that cannot be changed ever due to super facts on the ground. Russia has a landmass bigger than U.S. 2.7 times. Bigger than the whole of NATO Plus the U.S combined. For once you think an outdated, propaganda force like NATO could stand a chance? Cowardice has 226 languages and that is exactly what the U.S. has become, the de-facto leader of the anglozionist empire. To fight Russia, you need to go through Ukraine. To fight China you also need to go through Taiwan. OMg. What an outdated ideology yet you keep gapping NAFO Errotics. Sometimes, I wonder how could human race stoop so low to having mere opportunists, a Monkey republic which does not even have a sovereign state ever lead any human race.



If you don't know anything, you should keep calm and learn from those who know. Ok. The original idea was to get a political victory without the need to waste the lives of Nazi battalions installed since 2014. This is exactly what Russia did in Georgia in 2008. It turns out Georgia was an even smarter nation than Ukraine. That war in 2008 ended in 5 days. Russia got the political victory it wanted and till tomorrow, South Essetia and Havkkazia are autonomous republics. History will always remember Russia for this. Ok. And let me also remind you, the last time Russia had a political victory using its army in the last 2 decades was in 2008. Mention the last time your NATO/U.S. had such a political victory in the last 20 years. If you don't know anything, again keep calm and learn. You need more training, NAFO who trained you did not train you well. Here I will give you facts and figures.

Let me remind you, Russia first of all went to Kiev to get a political solution. That is, put it on paper that Donbass and Luganst are autonomous republics, and also the Crimean Peninsula has rejoined her parent country Russia. Now check the map and Tell me if this is not what Russia initially went to Kiev the first time to get. When the Puppet in Kiev Ran to Poland. Then it changed from there on to clear the NAZI forces. And it started from MAriopol. Have you heard anything of recent about Mariopol after it was taken? Pls, stop typing before I continue again.





Look at the first map

Now look at the second one


Do you see where Russians are for now? The left side of the

Look at the map again... Look very well. Russians are on that side of the River and Guess what? The front has been completely stabilized so where the main forces are is along that side of the River upward. Understand Russian tactics for once before you make the mouth. FROM history the Region along the River where Russia is, was part of Russia. Till Kiev combined with Belarus. NOVO Rossia is what it was called. Even till Odessa, another Russian city. So it's glaring why the major front is now in Donbass. From Donbass upward to Kiev along that Dniper Rivver, Russia will take it all eventually. That is the tactics. This is why Artemoscks is one of the most fortified regions ever. Hence you have it... MEAT GRINDER. History will remember this day very well. Again if you don't know anything about the war, you should not be employed by those who keep paying you. THE EAST OF UKRAINE TO THE RIVER IS WHERE ALL ANGLOZIONIST EMPIRE FALL, ITS GRAVEYARD. Dating as far back as the Crimean penisular war. Understand history first.



Yes, sorry for the typo. Lend act which Ukraine just go dragged into. That is what the U.S. did to USSR just when it became glaring that they were losing massively. And it was a saving face act on the empire that was supporting the fascist German sect with all you could imagine, a carbon copy of what they are doing now to Ukraine. OK. Understand this fact in history and know Peace. if you throw a knife up 1 million times, only that flattened side of it will land on the ground. The act only provide about 5-8% of the resources Russia needed at the time. Let me also remind you that after Red Army got to Berlin. The U.S. and Britain, part of the saving face, bombed the hell out of Dresden Germany an example today is Lviv. Where the core fascist ideology was its base. The bombing of the city of Dresen, Genocide there was more than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. Let me lecture you on these facts.





They have achieved victory so far and Artyomovsk/Bakhmut the meat grinder is only 2-4% left under the control of the Ukrainian Forces. That is a fact as we type.
Ukraine has been grounded for months and it has been very slow and steady. What Does that mean? It will take longer for Russia to finally retake all of Donbass? What do you think will happen by the time tthe whole of Donbass is taken? Kiev is not far. This will forever close the border to mainland Russia. On the left of the River, expect everything along that line to fall. Then Russia comes again to the table with a New offer. NATO/U.S. wants off the NAzi or Russia will continue? UNDERSTAND history first before you reply again... You need to go back to studying first.
uh



You are always updated on the Narcotics. Lol. Lol Again... What about the Ghost of Kiev? Where is he today? You could even bring that Rubbish on here. OMG. You shoulda stop and tell your masters or those teaching you, you get a superior counter and up to date person with facts and figures. You are so up on the nonsense... Just look at what they have turned into... A propaganda war, trying to boost morale. Lol. The last time, it was Russian weapons soon finish right? Now it's this one... What about the Snake Island? Ukraine said LOL... Pls, stop already.




You just told a lie again. Just when the war started, the vyvt yet news and all, 1 USD gained strength to a level of 145 USD from 72 to a Ruble. After a year, with all the 8000 Sanctions. Which failed massively which was not even about Russia but to contain Europe and Germany.
Let me also tell you, the U.S. is poking China to also take European completely away from China. If you don't know today. Know this for a fact. Russia already played its card. It won't save any Stupid Germany again but will stop them in Ukraine cos of HISTORY again REPEATING ITSELF.

The thing about Russian weapons is this and this is a fact.. if you want to win a war, you have no better option other than Russian weapons but if you only want to flex muscle, then go for the western useless ones.
WAR CAN ONLY BE WON IN THE HEART OF THE PEOPLE. When you try to CANCEL A CULTURE, YOU CAN NEVER WIN WAR LIKE THAT...
A HIGHER CULTURE ALWAYS PRESERVES AND RESPECTS ALL CULTURES. ONLY AN INFERIOR CULTURE TRIES TO CANCEL A SUPERIOR ONE.

Let me end with hat one today. THE WEST IS WRONG AND WILL LOSE. u



UK is an Island but yet colonized a large part of the World. size doesn't matter in War, what matter is the economy and the quality of weapon it possesses, which includes research and production capacity. same UK conquered the great China at some point.

Germany isn't as big as Russia, yet they threatened the entire Europe and if not for the US, they would have probably won the second world war.

So Russia's size is completely useless, even with their land mass, they are not up to 200M. They have huge land mass but not everywhere is livable.

Russia invaded Georgia, Georgia had no choice but to cede territory cos they were weak, and the west's reluctance to engage Russia. if Georgia was strong enough they would have resisted. no nation would willing cede it's territory to another nation. EU just bullied Georgia, that's why most of USSR states rather be in NATO than trust Russia

Russia had military victory in Georgia not political victory, political victory is gotten through the electioneering process. Russia took it with force. You don't even know the difference between a political victory and military victory.

The West/US got political victory through the Maiden uprising 2013 in Ukraine, no armed forces from the West as Ukraine chose closer ties with the West instead of Russia. that's a political victory, no use of force whatsoever.

The US helped the USSR cos the US were losing?πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚. Man Russia was been invaded without the Lend Lease Act Germany would have conquered the entire USSR. same USSR that signed non aggression pact with the Nazis and agreed to divide Poland. talk about dinning with the devil. man said that's 5-8% of what USSR needed at that point. US spent bout $11b providing weapons and gears for the USSR in the early 1940s. How much was USSR revenue that period? you're saying a lot of nonsense. the USSR had the highest Humans loses in the second world war. The USSR economy was in pieces, the same US/West helped the USSR back to it's feet.

You keep saying the front has been stabilized but RU can't go on any offensive bar Bakmut. and you should know that RU *retreated* to the other side of the Dnipo river. You should know Russia's aim was to advance to the two bigger cities it has long coveted in the Donetsk region: Kramatorsk and Sloviansk. so saying they are doing slow and steady in Bakmut is just a big lie.

RU has been trying to take Bakmut for over 7+ months now, every now and then we hear RU has captured the city, but now it's 2-4% in Ukraine hands. no wahala, let them capture it first na. tomorrow we'd probably hear it's just 5%, next 7% until they push the RU forces out. RU is struggling to conquer a Bakmut, Bakmut isn't as big as Yobe state in Nigeria. With all their Best weapons and overwhelming numbers. Bakmut population before the war was about 250k+ and Ukraine is bout 40milliok people, how Russia who has spent 7 months in Bakmut take over Ukraine? Would probably take them 20yrs at this rate

Ukraine has successfully withstood RU counter offensive, sent their soldiers to NATO territories for training, got Western weapons and are almost done mastering them. but you believe RU is the one winning in Bakmut. You don't realize how insulting it is for RU. Ukraine slowed RU advance to the minimum and then sent Their soldiers overseas to practice. RU forces are overspent, they have stopped talking bout their counter offensive and even Pringozhn has advised RU to concentrate on defense.

RU already used their best stuffs in the beginning of the war, tank? they are sending WW2 tanks to the front, as a result of the lost of fighter jets in Ukraine, RU fighter jets fire missiles from their territory into Ukraine, they don't fly into Ukraine's territory to attack. Their hypersonic missiles hasn't made any significant impact in the war. if all these RU weapons were as good as claimed, they would be conquered Ukraine by now na.

The sanctions has failed but RU reported the sanctions at the UN and asked that all sanctions not approved by the UN be abolished.

I never said RU didn't have weapons, while they do, they can't replace at the rate they are expending them, The RU stockpiles took years to pile up and as a result of the sanctions, they are not getting money as they used to and the West also placed embargo on certain products esp the ones used in making weapons. Russia's state Duma just voted to enter War Economy.

When RU first attacked they captured over 25% of Ukraine territory after the counter offensive RU are barely holding on to 16% including the Donetsk and Luhansk territories and you consider this progress? And this is proof that RU is winningπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

I attached a picture, so you can see how the Ruble is doing against the $$.

US is poking China, to take Europe from China? omooo you're far gone bros.

How did RU save Germany?

Western weapons turned the tides in favour of Ukraine, and at that point they got very little, now they have gotten substantial weapon systems from the West. Weapons are only good as the welders, and these weapons are new to Ukraine but according to you RU has the best weapons, what has RU best weapons achieved since Western weapons came into play? nothing, just how close they are to capturing BakmutπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ every three days.

It is Russia that's trying to cancel the Ukraine culture, so I agree with you, Russia can't win as they are trying to cancel Ukraine's culture. And only an inferior culture seeks to cancel a superior culture, warn Russia to leave the Ukraine people and their territory alone.

what happened to snake island? I don't understand your point there

I'm not saying US/West are saints, but in this Ukraine situation, they are on the right side.

And you're quite the comedian, you brought up stuffs I didn't say and then countered them yourself to seem smartπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚. And your much of the history you were saying won't help Russia in Ukraine. You just distorted history, all those places in Ukraine were part of the USSR not Russia. And the USSR don't exist anymore. Kyiv is older than Moscow, when Kyiv become a city Moscow was still a forest. No part of Ukraine was part of Russia, don't mistake USSR for Russia

And the US has the number one military in the World. The best Air force, Best Navy and Best Army by a wide margin. whoever the second is doesn't come close.

Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by rottennaija(m): 9:11am On May 08, 2023
Tiopii:



Man you don't substantial proof, it's normal to accept superior facts. Russia that has hypersonic missiles how has it helped them in Ukraine, Ukraine even said the Patriotic Air Defense system intercepted one hypersonic missile.

Ruble has actually turned to rubble if you compare the exchange rate of Dollar to ruble pre war and presently.

The thing with Russian weapons is they are not usually as good as they claim, doesn't mean it is bad or ineffective.

Like I said earlier you've no argument just emotions and sentiments.

Let's see how the counter offensive would go. but I can tell for a fact Russia without any mobilization can't conduct anymore offensive beyond Bakmut.

Patriot AD downs hypersonic shey? Goes in the same line as ghost of Kiev. CNN says Ukraine says...bla bla bla. So what happens next? Ukraine demands for more Patriot systems... How else can they beg for more? How else will Biden administration convince Americans to send more systems?

See the images below? All these were headlines news. Today, check for them again, they have been scrub. Don't worry, give it time, eventually you will see it were false. But it's OK. It's Ukraine falsehood, so you can believe it.

Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by Tiopii: 9:58am On May 08, 2023
rottennaija:


Patriot AD downs hypersonic shey? Goes in the same line as ghost of Kiev. CNN says Ukraine says...bla bla bla. So what happens next? Ukraine demands for more Patriot systems... How else can they beg for more? How else will Biden administration convince Americans to send more systems?

See the images below? All these were headlines news. Today, check for them again, they have been scrub. Don't worry, give it time, eventually you will see it were false. But it's OK. It's Ukraine falsehood, so you can believe it.


Never heard bout the Ghost of Kiev but I read it's a myth, Ukraine said Patriotic AD intercepted Russia's hypersonic missile, if you have proof against this pls share. If I say 1 + 1 = 2 and you disagree, you must prove that 1 + 1 isn't = 2.

Ukraine lobbied to get what they needed from the West and they would continue to lobby, the next on the agenda for Ukraine are fighter jets, there are coalition of countries willing to provide this jets but you know bureaucracy, this things take time.

You have little grasp of history, but your major problem is understanding, "Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine" is simple English if you can't comprehend this simple English how would you comprehend complex information.

Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine in simple English means, Russia invaded Ukraine without any provocation from Ukraine.. Russia was unprovoked, Ukraine didn't provoke Russia. if you still don't understand, you have serious comprehension issues.
Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by rottennaija(m): 11:44am On May 08, 2023
Tiopii:



Never heard bout the Ghost of Kiev but I read it's a myth, Ukraine said Patriotic AD intercepted Russia's hypersonic missile, if you have proof against this pls share. If I say 1 + 1 = 2 and you disagree, you must prove that 1 + 1 isn't = 2.
Never heard of Ghost of Kiev? Seems you join NAFO recently. Meanwhile, Zelensky visited Nigeria earlier today. Prove my claim wrong.


Ukraine lobbied to get what they needed from the West and they would continue to lobby, the next on the agenda for Ukraine are fighter jets, there are coalition of countries willing to provide this jets but you know bureaucracy, this things take time.

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You have little grasp of history, but your major problem is understanding, "Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine" is simple English if you can't comprehend this simple English how would you comprehend complex information.

Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine in simple English means, Russia invaded Ukraine without any provocation from Ukraine.. Russia was unprovoked, Ukraine didn't provoke Russia. if you still don't understand, you have serious comprehension issues.

See, repeating a lie severally will not make it true. You can claim unprovoked invasion all you want and repeat it as many times as you wish in a paragraph, It will not make it true. But fools will believe it. Tomorrow, you will be handed new lines to repeat 'China unprovoked invasion of Taiwan'.

Ukraine knew what would happen and they continued. NATO knew Ukraine would be invaded if they continued pushing Ukraine membership, Biden knew, Blinken knew, Victoria Nuland Knew. All the neocons knew and they saw it as an opportunity to destroy Russia. Guy, Ukraine will be destroyed and it will not join NATO. Biden will lose, USA will lose as they pivot to China to face their final embarrassment.
Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by rottennaija(m): 12:16pm On May 08, 2023
Tiopii:



Never heard bout the Ghost of Kiev but I read it's a myth, Ukraine said Patriotic AD intercepted Russia's hypersonic missile, if you have proof against this pls share. If I say 1 + 1 = 2 and you disagree, you must prove that 1 + 1 isn't = 2.

Ukraine lobbied to get what they needed from the West and they would continue to lobby, the next on the agenda for Ukraine are fighter jets, there are coalition of countries willing to provide this jets but you know bureaucracy, this things take time.

You have little grasp of history, but your major problem is understanding, "Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine" is simple English if you can't comprehend this simple English how would you comprehend complex information.

Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine in simple English means, Russia invaded Ukraine without any provocation from Ukraine.. Russia was unprovoked, Ukraine didn't provoke Russia. if you still don't understand, you have serious comprehension issues.

Re: Ukraine Will Fall For This Again by Tiopii: 12:48pm On May 08, 2023
rottennaija:

Never heard of Ghost of Kiev? Seems you join NAFO recently. Meanwhile, Zelensky visited Nigeria earlier today. Prove my claim wrong.



You're stooping too low bro, If Zelensky visited Nigeria, we would get an official statement from both Ukraine and Nigeria, there would be pictures and videos, that's evidence. simple logic but you rather use emotions and illogical reasoning.

I just read bout the Ghost of Kiev today cos I don't follow propaganda headline or news or sites. The Ghost of Kyiv was during the beginning of the war everyone has gone past that.


You shared the link bout Russia's unprovoked invasion not me, I merely simplified it for you to understand and I'm glad you finally did.

Like I said earlier, you bring up baseless claims I didn't bring and counter these claims yourself just to seem like you're smart.

There's no war in Taiwan, if it comes we can comment on it, cos all your China/Taiwan invasions are baseless and mere assumptions until it happens. do you have any data that suggests China would invade Taiwan? China/Taiwan isn't the focus here tho. If China is to invade Taiwan today it would be an unprovoked invasion, is Taiwan taking an military action against China? or is Taiwan guilty of any act of espionage or terrorism? or Taiwan wants to join NATO too?πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚Both China and Taiwan are leaving in peace.


When Russia invaded Crimea, was it because Ukraine wanted to join NATO? or when it invaded and annexed Moldova and Georgia? cos they were also pursuing NATO membership??

You don't understand the economics behind the invasion and it seems you have no idea why Nations seeks tos conquer other nations. well it is for economics benefits.

I won't lie, before this War most people thought Ukraine going against Russia would be suicidal, even the West thought Ukraine won't last up to a month, but they proved all of us wrong and are still fighting. And this war demystified Russia's army and weapon systems as nothing more than a paper tiger. Russia has lost influence on a global scale playing second fiddle to China.

Well, one thing is certain the West has seen that they overestimated RU cos they wrongly accorded RU as the same as the defunct USSR and Ukraine would be joining NATO after the war.

While China has made significant technological advancement, there are still no match for the US, Militarily and economically. And any event of war, the war won't take place on American soil. In event of war, who are China'se allies? Russia? that's taking a beating in Ukraine. N.Korea? That malnourished nation. who else? South Africa?πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚. India is even a counter weight against China they share same border and always at loggerheads.
so I ask you again, China against the US, who are China's allies? Most of China's weaponry are untested in battle, so don't believe the hype.

The US and Europe are China's biggest market, China would struggle without them. China needs US/West more than China needs Russia. Russia needs China more than China needs Russia.

Nobody is destroying RU, RU is destroying itself. And the West are only fanning the flames, the West didn't start the fire, RU did.

With Finland accession to NATO, Sweden soon too and Ukraine after the War, The West has successfully continued RU. RU now have an eternal enemy in Ukraine and it is because they attacked Ukraine. RU would always have to look over it shoulders.

since you couldn't understand simple: Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, I don't expect you to understand much of what I typed but I know someone else will and maybe you too someday.

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