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achimendy:
Are you from south Africa??

Correct

samuelson06:
I don't know what you are talking about. A I'm saying is STOP REED DANCE!

I hope your sister didn't go to the Juju priest in Edo before embarking on her journey to Italy .If she did , then forget about her, your Nigerian brothers have sold her as a sex slave already to some fat dirty Italian loser. I hope Tinubu tries his best to put this degenerate culture of yours to death , for the sake of the world, we are all sick of seeing pathetic stories of human trafficking from that shythole

Creeper:
You’re right.

I always classify Ndebele in Zimbabwe to be of the same stock as Zulu and Xhosa (and even some Zambians tbh).

It’s the same problem with the idiocy about Nigerians. They think they have 300 ethnic groups when in reality, the country doesn’t have more than 15-20 ethnic groups. All these groups are just different dialects or groups from a particular ethnic group that migrated to another area and ended up adopting a lot of words from a more dominant ethnic group in their new abode.

People just create all these phantom ethnic groups due to greed and lust for power by their elites.

Zim Ndebeles broke away from Zulus and the Lozis in Zambia broke away from the Basotho. They are however diluted now both linguistically and genetically, but they are definitely family.

Samantha124:
You see?,🤣🤣🤣 This is what you don't want, because a small joke will eventually turn into a big medical discussion with your big medical terms.

This is what you don't want to come home to..🤣🤣🤣

I just said a small joke and now you already want to go medical on me..🤦🤦🤦

😂 😂 😂 yeah you're right. I didn't even realise what I was doing.
You know, you're really nice to talk to. To bad you're with someone already

And that someone also happens to be a medical doctor..😂😂😂

LordErrk:
😂 😂 😂 yeah you're right. I didn't even realise what I was doing.
You know, you're really nice to talk to. To bad you're with someone already

Jahwinaboy:
We understand that have long reduced. We hope that someday, Africans will be more closer to one another. Not until you visit Nigeria, you will not understand certain things. In all, get you a Nigerian, thank me later

Have the tribal attacks and religious hatred amongst you reduced ?. We all hope for Africans to respect each other's spaces , that will get them closer. But for Africans to be closer , all that loving has to start from within each country. We shouldn't ask our neighbours to tolerate our crap when we can't even tolerate each other within the borders , charity they say begins begins at home . Let's drop the hypocritical sermons about being * good Africans* , they're getting too annoying and make us sound backward , let's show how good we are in our respective homes. You teach people how you treat you. If as a South African I'm treated like shyt here , I can't be going to Zambia screaming hate and lack of brotherhood when there's no love or brotherhood where I come from.

Samantha124:
And that someone also happens to be a medical doctor..😂😂😂

Why do you like Doctors so much? I thought you said we're no fun 😂

Don't blame me, I'm attracted to the medical profession... I can't help it.

I always found myself attracted to medical professionals like medical doctors, radiologists, occupational therapists, nurses, pharmacists, and etc... There's this swag that you guys have that I just can't explain.

I don't know why... I never said you guys are not fun, but you can be uptight sometimes.. one small issue, you can turn it into a big medical issue..

LordErrk:
Why do you like Doctors so much? I thought you said we're no fun 😂

KingCold:
Correct

That's good to hear, can you arrange one of them SA girls for me??

Ransomtheking:
It still baffles me when you say SA has just 11 ethnic group

Nigeria has the most diverse number of ethnic groups in Africa. Most African countries have an average of about 10 ethnic groups in their countries but Nigeria has over 250.

I'm still waiting for your response..

Lionessza6:
Zim Ndebeles broke away from Zulus and the Lozis in Zambia broke away from the Basotho. They are however diluted now both linguistically and genetically, but they are definitely family.

No, we're not objects that are arranged..

achimendy:
That's good to hear, can you arrange one of them SA girls for me??

Lionessza6:
Have the tribal attacks and religious hatred amongst you reduced ?. We all hope for Africans to respect each other's spaces , that will get them closer. But for Africans to be closer , all that loving has to start from within each country. We shouldn't ask our neighbours to tolerate our crap when we can't even tolerate each other within the borders , charity they say begins begins at home . Let's drop the hypocritical sermons about being * good Africans* , they're getting too annoying and make us sound backward , let's show how good we are in our respective homes. You teach people how you treat you. If as a South African I'm treated like shyt here , I can't be going to Zambia screaming hate and lack of brotherhood when there's no love or brotherhood where I come from.

Seconded. I agree and that has been my take on the African continent. We need to individually develop our countries rather than running to others making efforts to better their own. Are you Nigerian?

Creeper:
TonySpike

This will be a good read for you because it gives a peripheral view of what ancient West Africa was like according to Romans:



This is the more popular expedition albeit they didn’t get to West Africa. The stopped around present day South Sudan (I think). It’s a long article and you can read it here: https://www.thecollector.com/ancient-rome-and-the-search-for-the-source-of-the-nile/

However, this excerpt stood out:


^This was after they passed the splendour and greatness of other black civilisations. These were the creatures they came in contact with.

Interesting. I once read in the past that the Romans reached Lake Chad. Your material gives a good synopsis of those expeditions. Thanks a lot.

Lionessza6:
Zim Ndebeles broke away from Zulus and the Lozis in Zambia broke away from the Basotho. They are however diluted now both linguistically and genetically, but they are definitely family.

I used to mess with some chicks from Zambia, Zimbabwe and Zulu from South Africa. That’s how I found out that the languages are mutually intelligible albeit with slight differences. Even with the body type (forehead, hips, thighs and bum) and cadence when they speak English - you can tell that they’re the same people.

They used to tell me that they can understand the language when certain groups from the 3 countries are speaking. The Zambian one even expanded it to some groups in Congo DR which was shocking to me because I used to think Congo is mostly about Lingala.

Africa has too many unnecessary phantom groups that want to be independent despite the fact that they’re part of a larger group. And that’s one of the biggest problems on the continent. Europeans don’t fragmentise themselves that way and an Irish Celt is the same as the Scottish Celt and an Austrian knows he’s the same as a German. Asians also don’t do that and a Punjab is a Punjab anyway he/she finds himself/herself.

TonySpike:
Nigeria has the most diverse number of ethnic groups in Africa. Most African countries have an average of about 10 ethnic groups in their countries but Nigeria has over 250.

Bro, Nigeria doesn’t have 250 ethnic groups.

Even the colonial map that divided Nigeria based on linguistics and kingdoms/empires didn’t have more than 12-15 provinces (I will check if I can still find the map). Those are the real ethnic groups in Nigeria - everything else is a hustle due to greed.

The most supposedly ‘diverse’ regions in Nigeria are the Christian belt that occupy Middle Belt and parts of the southern part of NW/NE and Delta state (I don’t want to say SS because Akwa Ibom and Cross River are the same people and Rivers is Ijaw/Edo/Igbo).

The so-called Christian Belt is made-up of Igala, Tiv and groups that were part of the old Kwararafa/Wukari empire/kingdom. And Delta is Ijaw + groups that are Edo/Yoruba/Igbo. These are the groups that populate the phantom 250 ethnic groups albeit they counted the subgroups of the major ethnic groups as well.

Samantha124:
Don't blame me, I'm attracted to the medical profession... I can't help it.

I always found myself attracted to medical professionals like medical doctors, radiologists, occupational therapists, nurses, pharmacists, and etc... There's this swag that you guys have that I just can't explain.

I don't know why... I never said you guys are not fun, but you can be uptight sometimes.. one small issue, you can turn it into a big medical issue..

How do you you guys get along then, with the work schedule and all?

Well, I'm not a medical doctor.

And as an introvert, I like the fact that while most of the time he'd be at work working, I get to enjoy my alone time.. .. I really value that me time.

And when he's off duty, it's always a fun time.. I like the fact that I get to miss him.

But truth be told, you guys don't have a life.. .. like you said, you only get to go to the gym and watch a 40 minutes movie..😂😂😂

You don't get to properly enjoy life like the others..😂😂.. Sometimes I wonder why did you choose such a profession in the first place.

LordErrk:
How do you you guys get along then, with the work schedule and all?

Samantha124:
You keep contradicting yourself.

You claim that the Xhosas and the Zulus are not Bantus.

Yet you come again and claim that modern day South Africans were formed from unions of the Bantu and Khoisan, which we all know and this means that black South Africans are Bantus because they have Bantu ancestries.

I never denied that part that black South Africans have Khoisan ancestry, you can check all of my comments... Now how can you claim that Xhosas and Zulus are not Bantus when a part of them originate from ngoni people and ngoni people are Bantus?

We don't have Pedi people in central Africa because as part of the Bantus migrated down South years ago, they evolved with time and we became the people that we are today.

And also remember that we're called the northern Sothos for a reason too as we were once all Sothos, but as the boers scattered the Sotho kingdom, all Sotho clans went their separate ways and that's where the Pedis and Tswanas came from.

After central Africa, Free State province was also once our home as we descendent from the Sothos, who also descendent from the Bantu people of central West Africa, but there's no way you can now find a Pedi person in Lesotho or Free State, unless they recently moved there, what do you have to say about that?

Are you trying to tell me that people don't evolve as they migrate

If you and your family moved to North Africa, wouldn't your next generation evolve with time and the culture there

@the last bolded @ not if they mate with other South Africans there , they might have some cultural influences but genetically they would still give birth to Bongi or lerato look-alikes , basically , they would remain South Africans. Europeans in South Africa are a damn good example . But if they mix genetics with the people there, then nope! They ain't me no more , they now have a new identity and they ain't going to be arabs either. If you think Trevor is black because that's what he is widely referred to , then let's quit this convo already, you're far gone .

My dear people don't just evolve by being in a different location, only blood and cultural exchanges can make a group evolve into something different from the original.

Indians in KZN have been there fo centuries; many speak Zulu but still genetically and culturally they are still very much Indians, that's why they are still called Indians ,they did not evolve by being here and they look exactly like other indians elsewhere. You know why? They hardly mixed with Zulus or Europeans.

Coloureds are a product of Africans ( mainly Sans)and settlers( mainly Dutch). You cannot say coloureds are colonisers because they are partly European; South African coloureds are neither European or Africans, you can't impose an identity on them because you want to be PC. Now apply this to the Xhosas, Zulus etc. They are a product of Bantus and Khoe-Sans; THEY DID NOT MIGRATE TO SOUTH AFRICA as you said but THEIR BANTU ancestors did. They are a product of a union between Khoe-San and Bantus; meaning we wouldn't look or sound the way we do now without the Bantus or the San . Your central African ancestors did not make you Pedi, but they did with your Khoe-San ancestors . So again , you wouldn't be here and looking like that if you were truly a migrant from central Africa , but you are free to go out there and claim that as your identity; afterall you were taught that's what you are .

2nd bolded,so black South Africans are Khoisans also because they have that ancestry? . Trevor noah is white because he is partly white ? . Sharing ancestry with a group doesn't mean you're necessarily that group, you are part of the bigger family , yes, but you can't claim to be the real deal.

Understand what a union is my lady . I said the modern day South Africans are neither Khoe San nor Bantus , and that's a fact ! Genes,culture and language tell me so not books.....common sense. There is a reason we have always identified ourselves as Xhosas,Tswanas etc and not Bantus. The Bantu tag as collective identity of all native Africans in SA was mostly imposed on us during apartheid , we have never categorised ourselves as such , but it was not widely opposed simply because we partly are that , same as a lot of people still don't mind being called black because it's a widely accepted categorisation.

NO TRIBE IN SOUTH AFRICA CAME FROM CENTRAL AFRICA, EVERY TRIBE YOU FIND IN SOUTH AFRICA WAD FORMED HERE.

Samantha124:
No, we're not objects that are arranged..

I can't remember asking you to arrange anything for me.

Samantha124:
I'm still waiting for your response..

LMFAO,Jesus, really? . You are going to have to chill and wait for me to get to you , I always save the best for last.

KingCold:
You can't pinpoint which tribe started

According to my research, it was started by them. They started it and others joined them except the Afrikaners.

Hadampson:
This is just a misconception. Zulu people are not wicked like you think. I have met many of them and they are not like what we were told. Yes, they started the xenophobia stuff but South Africans joined them and now people are blaming just Zulu. That's not fair if you ask me.

Let's stop hating on the Zulu people. They are nice, they are beautiful and they are strong.

How do you know Zulus started *xenophobic* attacks? And how did you find that out ? And which South African groups blame Zulus for the attacks . LMFAO,so in your research or head, all of SA attacked grigampas except the whites ? . And yall are still here in your numbers ?

I don't know why you waste your time writing all these paragraphs because you and I are saying the same thing.

Apart from the Khoisan, all SA tribes have Bantu ancestry from their Bantu ancestors migrating from Central Africa to down South.

When they first came to SA, there weren't your Zulus, Xhosas, or Pedis... No, they were just one Bantu people with different clans... Then there came a time where those clans went their separate ways and ended up forming your Zulus, Xhosas, and etc.

Just like how the Pedis and the Tswanas are also the descendants of the Sothos.

When the Bantus first came to SA, they intermarried with the Khoisan, but as more Bantu groups kept coming to SA, they started outnumbering the Khoisan people and as a result, they then continued marrying each others as Bantus, hence the Bantu genetics within a typical South African surpasses that of the Khoisan... You may find that the person only has 20 or 30 percentage of the Khoisan genes, while the rest its only Bantu genetics... Only those that are living amongst the Khoisan in the Northern Cape may have high Khoisan genetics.

Those SA indians that you mentioned may still look like the same indians like those of India, but their cultural practices are not exactly the same as those of indians in India... Even the attires and cultural practices of the northern Indians in India are different from those of southern Indians in India... Which basically means that as they separated, their ways of life and cultures evolved... And southern Indians are darker than northern Indians.

I never said that Zulus, Xhosas, Pedis, and other black South African tribes migrated from Central Africa to South Africa... I said we are from Central West Africa because our ancestors the Bantu people migrated from Central West Africa to South Africa, but along the line, they evolved into the tribes that we are today.

We wouldn't be who we are today if they didn't migrate from Central West Africa to South Africa.

The main fact that you can't tell me where the Zulus and the Xhosas originate without talking about the Bantu people should tell you that WE ARE ALSO THE BANTU PEOPLE!!!

I don't know why you keep adding other different ethnic groups into our discussion when the main discussion here is about the Bantus and the black SA tribes... What does Trevor Noah, the indians, and the coloured have to do with Bantu people and black SA tribes' history?

The main fact that you can't tell me the origin of the Zulus and Xhosas without bringing up the Bantus should tell you that we are the descendants of the Bantus, which also makes us the Bantus because only a small percentage of Khoisan can be found within our genes.. Maybe those living in the Northern Cape can be found with the high percentage of the Khoisan genes because they live amongst them, but as for the rest of the black South Africans, the Bantu genes dominate.

Lionessza6:
@the last bolded @ not if they mate with other South Africans there , they might have some cultural influences but genetically they would still give birth to Bongi or lerato look-alikes , basically , they would remain South Africans. Europeans in South Africa are a damn good example . But if they mix genetics with the people there, then nope! They ain't me no more , they now have a new identity and they ain't going to be arabs either. If you think Trevor is black because that's what he is widely referred to , then let's quit this convo already, you're far gone .

My dear people don't just evolve by being in a different location, only blood and cultural exchanges can make a group evolve into something different from the original.

Indians in KZN have been there fo centuries; many speak Zulu but still genetically and culturally they are still very much Indians, that's why they are still called Indians ,they did not evolve by being here and they look exactly like other indians elsewhere. You know why? They hardly mixed with Zulus or Europeans.

Coloureds are a product of Africans ( mainly Sans)and settlers( mainly Dutch). You cannot say coloureds are colonisers because they are partly European; South African coloureds are neither European or Africans, you can't impose an identity on them because you want to be PC. Now apply this to the Xhosas, Zulus etc. They are a product of Bantus and Khoe-Sans; THEY DID NOT MIGRATE TO SOUTH AFRICA as you said but THEIR BANTU ancestors did. They are a product of a union between Khoe-San and Bantus; meaning we wouldn't look or sound the way we do now without the Bantus or the San . Your central African ancestors did not make you Pedi, but they did with your Khoe-San ancestors . So again , you wouldn't be here and looking like that if you were truly a migrant from central Africa , but you are free to go out there and claim that as your identity; afterall you were taught that's what you are .

2nd bolded,so black South Africans are Khoisans also because they have that ancestry? . Trevor noah is white because he is partly white ? . Sharing ancestry with a group doesn't mean you're necessarily that group, you are part of the bigger family , yes, but you can't claim to be the real deal.

Understand what a union is my lady . I said the modern day South Africans are neither Khoe San nor Bantus , and that's a fact ! Genes,culture and language tell me so not books.....common sense. There is a reason we have always identified ourselves as Xhosas,Tswanas etc and not Bantus. The Bantu tag as collective identity of all native Africans in SA was mostly imposed on us during apartheid , we have never categorised ourselves as such , but it was not widely opposed simply because we partly are that , same as a lot of people still don't mind being called black because it's a widely accepted categorisation.

NO TRIBE IN SOUTH AFRICA CAME FROM CENTRAL AFRICA, EVERY TRIBE YOU FIND IN SOUTH AFRICA WAD FORMED HERE.

But you asked that SA guy to arrange an SA girl for you as if we're just mere objects.

Stop objectifying us.

achimendy:
I can't remember asking you to arrange anything for me.

Samantha124:
But you asked that SA guy to arrange an SA girl for you as if we're just mere objects.

Stop objectifying us.

Arrange in other words here in Nigeria means to connect or betterstill machmake me with one of those SA girls. That's what I mean, so pls stop making it look as if am insulting SA girls.


I noticed since I told you I love SA girls you've been angry with me , with the way you respond to me , as if I've done something wrong. Did I commit any crime by saying I love you people??

Nawa o.

Samantha124:
I did mentioned them.

OK. I heard they speak in tongues

You don't love them, you just lust after them.

I don't remember your monicker, when did you tell me that you love SA girls

achimendy:
Arrange in other words here in Nigeria means to connect or betterstill machmake me with one of those SA girls. That's what I mean, so pls stop making it look as if am insulting SA girls.


I noticed since I told you I love SA girls you've been angry with me , with the way you respond to me , as if I've done something wrong. Did I commit any crime by saying I love you people??

Nawa o.

Samantha124:
You don't love them, you just lust after them.

I don't remember your monicker, when did you tell me that you love SA girls

My dear this is not the first time I'm interacting with you on nairaland, I have our previous comments where I told about SA girls and the love I have for them. And you even reply by telling me thank you. I remember you samantha, you even changed your profile picture, you wore black cloth and you were smiling, not a full pix though.



Lastly, am not lust after SA girls, I love them and that's the truth. If I have my way I'll marry them.

Samantha124:
There was never xenophobia in SA to begin with... Same way you claim there was never tribalism in Nigeria.

OK. It is well

Lionessza6:
Zim Ndebeles broke away from Zulus and the Lozis in Zambia broke away from the Basotho. They are however diluted now both linguistically and genetically, but they are definitely family.

Indeed... The Ndebele and Zulu connection. That was during the period of imfecane or tribulation in the 1800s in SA. I first read about this engaging Nguni history decades back during the apartheid era from the books in my home library and it just stuck in my memory.

Some Nguni descendants are in Mozambique as well and got as far as the areas around Lake Victoria during the imfecane!

I like the fact that you SA folks have consistently been active and an enlightened members of NL since I originally joined this forum in 2005.