Samantha124:
I don't know why you waste your time writing all these paragraphs because you and I are saying the same thing.

Apart from the Khoisan, all SA tribes have Bantu ancestry from their Bantu ancestors migrating from Central Africa to down South.

When they first came to SA, there weren't your Zulus, Xhosas, or Pedis... No, they were just one Bantu people with different clans... Then there came a time where those clans went their separate ways and ended up forming your Zulus, Xhosas, and etc.

Just like how the Pedis and the Tswanas are also the descendants of the Sothos.

When the Bantus first came to SA, they intermarried with the Khoisan, but as more Bantu groups kept coming to SA, they started outnumbering the Khoisan people and as a result, they then continued marrying each others as Bantus, hence the Bantu genetics within a typical South African surpasses that of the Khoisan... You may find that the person only has 20 or 30 percentage of the Khoisan genes, while the rest its only Bantu genetics... Only those that are living amongst the Khoisan in the Northern Cape may have high Khoisan genetics.

Those SA indians that you mentioned may still look like the same indians like those of India, but their cultural practices are not exactly the same as those of indians in India... Even the attires and cultural practices of the northern Indians in India are different from those of southern Indians in India... Which basically means that as they separated, their ways of life and cultures evolved... And southern Indians are darker than northern Indians.

I never said that Zulus, Xhosas, Pedis, and other black South African tribes migrated from Central Africa to South Africa... I said we are from Central West Africa because our ancestors the Bantu people migrated from Central West Africa to South Africa, but along the line, they evolved into the tribes that we are today.

We wouldn't be who we are today if they didn't migrate from Central West Africa to South Africa.

The main fact that you can't tell me where the Zulus and the Xhosas originate without talking about the Bantu people should tell you that WE ARE ALSO THE BANTU PEOPLE!!!

I don't know why you keep adding other different ethnic groups into our discussion when the main discussion here is about the Bantus and the black SA tribes... What does Trevor Noah, the indians, and the coloured have to do with Bantu people and black SA tribes' history?

The main fact that you can't tell me the origin of the Zulus and Xhosas without bringing up the Bantus should tell you that we are the descendants of the Bantus, which also makes us the Bantus because only a small percentage of Khoisan can be found within our genes.. Maybe those living in the Northern Cape can be found with the high percentage of the Khoisan genes because they live amongst them, but as for the rest of the black South Africans, the Bantu genes dominate.

Samantha, how's it going? Have you ever taken a DNA test from an ancestry DNA company in SA to determine the percentages of Khoisan genetic markers?

A couple of genetic tests results I have seen from black South Africans on YouTube are very revealing. The bushman genes were found in the iconic Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela.

This thread brings back remembrance of my wonderful SA friend here on Nairaland jagugu88li and my beloved one and only SA friend Abhi of blessed memories(May her soul rest in peace)..... Sad to hear of her demise from her aunt........

Nice work samantha124 and Lionessza6.

XAUBulls:

Samantha, hows it going? Have you ever taken a DNA test from an ancestry DNA company in SA to determine the percentages of
Khoisan genetic markers?

A couple of genetic tests results I have seen from black South Africans on YouTube are very revealing. The bushman genes were found in the iconic Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela.

Tata Mandela physically looks like a Bushman. Even Thabo Mbeki does look like them also.

Hadampson:


According to my research, it was started by them. They started it and others joined them except the Afrikaners.

Your research was wrong. In SA, things aren't quite "tribe-specific" like they're over there

achimendy:




That's good to hear, can you arrange one of them SA girls for me??

How does someone do that?

How does one speak in tongues

yom2:
OK. I heard they speak in tongues

Samantha124:
I listened to the song and I found the part where you said you heard the click in the song.

The part where they say " you'd swear I'm Xhosa", the Xhosa word itself has got a click.

You're very attentive..😂😂😂

Now that's what I'm talking about 😎🤩..I knew it!

Jahwinaboy:
Well, life is all about choice. Nobody said you must marry from your country. That's why we have interracial marriages. Whether you support the idea or not, is insignificant. It's normal world wide

Life is all about choices now? All because the girls choices benefit you? Aren't you the same Nigerian men that judge women's choice incessantly ? Okay!

XAUBulls:

Samantha, hows it going? Have you ever taken a DNA test from an ancestry DNA company in SA to determine the percentages of
Khoisan genetic markers?

A couple of genetic tests results I have seen from black South Africans on YouTube are very revealing. The bushman genes were found in the iconic Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela.

This is not surprising at all. Modern South Africans absorbed the genes of the indigenous Khoi-san people. It shows up in their phenotype.

Samantha124:
But you asked that SA guy to arrange an SA girl for you as if we're just mere objects.

Stop objectifying us.

Lmaoo..imagine how tired Nigerian women are.

Thats the ego of the nigerian man.

"Arrange a woman for me" as if the interest of the woman doesn't matter to facilitate that arrangement.

1Sharon:


Life is all about choices now? All because the girls choices benefit you? Aren't you the same Nigerian men that judge women's choice incessantly ? Okay!

A man is supposed to choose where to marry from, how many to marry etc. It has been so since creation. That's why you have polygamy more than polyandry. It's easier for men to get and marry foreigners but harder for the women. In a nutshell, no matter how women try to measure up with men, it will always show.

silverkings:


Botswana

Does it mean that Botswana are predominantly Tsawana tribe

Jahwinaboy:
A man is supposed to choose where to marry from, how many to marry etc. It has been so since creation. That's why you have polygamy more than polyandry. It's easier for men to get and marry foreigners but harder for the women. In a nutshell, no matter how women try to measure up with men, it will always show.

My comment is not about men's choices. My comment is about you being smug with a woman from a far away place meeting up with you. You're okay with her choice because it benefits you.

Would you be okay with her choice if she was your daughter or sister?

XAUBulls:

Indeed... The Ndebele and Zulu connection. That was during the period of mfekane or tribulation in the 1800s in SA. I first read about this engaging Nguni history decades back during the apartheid era from the books in my home library and it just stuck in my memory.

Some Nguni descendants are in
Mozambique as well and got as far as the areas around Lake Victoria during the mfekane!

I like the fact that you SA folks have consistently been active and an enlightened members of NL since I originally joined this forum in 2005.

The Imfecane story for me is is another one that is questionable; just like the Central African migration of the bantus to the South and the timing ofcourse . Both are always the talking points of colonisers when they want to justify mass murder and colonisation of Africa... suspicious. They are the ones who know how many people were killed, but they dont know in which area of the South and where all these bodies were buried . Suspiciously; they are always around when the history of Africa turns bad ; the mass murders are recorded by them and the invasions as well......busy bodies ...very caring colonisers . This is the same justification they use to explain why they almost wiped out Australians and Americans ; some tribes were causing problems and there were just too many uncivilized hooligans in those regions. My favourite is the discovery of America by Columbus ; the discovery of an occupied territory. The only difference is that they could easily get away with these lies over there because there are very few descendants of those people, whereas here it's not so easy , so they have to constantly edit they BS when they get exposed.

Now they are re-writing history again....this time , Africans are not indigenous in Africa . And the Khoe-San are actually white people . The whites are the actual indegenes of Africa . We make take this as a sick joke for now, but wait till they wipe out pictures of Khoisans on the net or pictures of certain African groups and replace them with Ukrainian looking Nazis . And some dunderhead Africans will actually believe this crap in like 30 years time because it will be on our curriculum .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eeb2VrUlq-w

As for the Ndebeles-Zulu issue; what we do know for sure is that conflicts did break out amongst the ruling Zulu class , some people were chased out and some ran away from persecution and some so this chaotic era as a chance to still and bounce ; Zim Ndebeles .

Jahwinaboy:
Seconded. I agree and that has been my take on the African continent. We need to individually develop our countries rather than running to others making efforts to better their own. Are you Nigerian?

Totally agree with you , unfortunately we seem to be a minority in Africa; people who think along those lines ofvourse. The continent seems to be filled with needy and whiney people, my country included. Sickening and exhausting at times. No , I am South African.

1Sharon:


My comment is not about men's choices. My comment is about you being smug with a woman from a far away place meeting up with you. You're okay with her choice because it benefits you.

Would you be okay with her choice if she was your daughter or sister?

Life is all about choices. I am not the first man to smug with a woman from far away place and I won't be the last. If it favours me, good and fine. If it doesn't, good and fine. If the financial strength is there and she's my sister, that can be considered. Afterall, it is obtainable worldwide except you are forming. Caucasian, Indians, Latin Americans, Africans etc do give away their daughters on similar grounds. A foreign woman that gives me joy/rest of mind is better than Nigerian girl with her entitlement mentality. If a foreign rich old man comes for you, wouldn't you go? Make I hear

Jahwinaboy:
Life is all about choices. I am not the first man to smug with a woman from far away place and I won't be the last. If it favours me, good and fine. If it doesn't, good and fine. If the financial strength is there and she's my sister, that can be considered. Afterall, it is obtainable worldwide except you are forming. Caucasian, Indians, Latin Americans, Africans etc do give away their daughters on similar grounds. A foreign woman that gives me joy/rest of mind is better than Nigerian girl with her entitlement mentality. If a foreign rich old man comes for you, wouldn't you go? Make I hear

Lol. Learn what the word smug means.

And yeah, you sound a bit crazy. You're talking about "marriage" "peace of mind" with a person you've never met.

I haven't taken any ancestry DNA, but I've seen few of those South Africans who did.

It's believed that every black South African has got Khoisan DNA, but the Bantu genes dominate because of years of marriages amongst ourselves and with time, we outnumbered the Khoisan people even though we still do have their DNA from when our ancestors migrated from Central Africa to South Africa and intermarried with the Khoisan people.

Nelson Mandela did had some strong Khoisan genes.

XAUBulls:

Samantha, hows it going? Have you ever taken a DNA test from an ancestry DNA company in SA to determine the percentages of
Khoisan genetic markers?

A couple of genetic tests results I have seen from black South Africans on YouTube are very revealing. The bushman genes were found in the iconic Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela.

Lionessza6:


Totally agree with you , unfortunately we seem to be a minority in Africa; people who think along those lines ofvourse. The continent seems to be filled with needy and whiney people, my country included. Sickening and exhausting at times. No , I am South African.

Well, that's the truth about the matter. It requires a radical change to make Africa understand and develop more. Many are making efforts but most are comfortable with the statusquo especially the political class. Shout out to Julius Malema and Prof. Lumumba. Making efforts to unite Africa

Samantha124:
I don't know why you waste your time writing all these paragraphs because you and I are saying the same thing.

Apart from the Khoisan, all SA tribes have Bantu ancestry from their Bantu ancestors migrating from Central Africa to down South.

When they first came to SA, there weren't your Zulus, Xhosas, or Pedis... No, they were just one Bantu people with different clans... Then there came a time where those clans went their separate ways and ended up forming your Zulus, Xhosas, and etc.

Just like how the Pedis and the Tswanas are also the descendants of the Sothos.

When the Bantus first came to SA, they intermarried with the Khoisan, but as more Bantu groups kept coming to SA, they started outnumbering the Khoisan people and as a result, they then continued marrying each others as Bantus, hence the Bantu genetics within a typical South African surpasses that of the Khoisan... You may find that the person only has 20 or 30 percentage of the Khoisan genes, while the rest its only Bantu genetics... Only those that are living amongst the Khoisan in the Northern Cape may have high Khoisan genetics.

Those SA indians that you mentioned may still look like the same indians like those of India, but their cultural practices are not exactly the same as those of indians in India... Even the attires and cultural practices of the northern Indians in India are different from those of southern Indians in India... Which basically means that as they separated, their ways of life and cultures evolved... And southern Indians are darker than northern Indians.

I never said that Zulus, Xhosas, Pedis, and other black South African tribes migrated from Central Africa to South Africa... I said we are from Central West Africa because our ancestors the Bantu people migrated from Central West Africa to South Africa, but along the line, they evolved into the tribes that we are today.

We wouldn't be who we are today if they didn't migrate from Central West Africa to South Africa.

The main fact that you can't tell me where the Zulus and the Xhosas originate without talking about the Bantu people should tell you that WE ARE ALSO THE BANTU PEOPLE!!!

I don't know why you keep adding other different ethnic groups into our discussion when the main discussion here is about the Bantus and the black SA tribes... What does Trevor Noah, the indians, and the coloured have to do with Bantu people and black SA tribes' history?

The main fact that you can't tell me the origin of the Zulus and Xhosas without bringing up the Bantus should tell you that we are the descendants of the Bantus, which also makes us the Bantus because only a small percentage of Khoisan can be found within our genes.. Maybe those living in the Northern Cape can be found with the high percentage of the Khoisan genes because they live amongst them, but as for the rest of the black South Africans, the Bantu genes dominate.

I have so much to say to you , but just a bit busy so don't think I didn't attend to you because I'm lost for words .......far from it. I want to treat your case specifically, so I'll reply to you in due time , call me out if this doesn't happen within the next 12 hours .

And it can be offensive, it's as if we don't get to have a say.

1Sharon:


Lmaoo..imagine how tired Nigerian women are.

Thats the ego of the nigerian man.

"Arrange a woman for me" as if the interest of the woman doesn't matter to facilitate that arrangement.

Why do you have to post a picture of a beautiful cat? You make me miss mine..😭😭😭😭

1Sharon:


Now that's what I'm talking about 😎🤩..I knew it!

1Sharon:


Lol. Learn what the word smug means.

And yeah, you sound a bit crazy. You're talking about "marriage" "peace of mind" with a person you've never met.

Smug, NOTED. Marriage, peace of mind with someone you never met is absolutely possible considering their upbringing and clime. It's not rocket science. How many Nigerian seem not to achieve or feel a bit of relief from Meeting or Marrying a foreigner? Few. Crazy? I take that as a compliment. Tame your pride and you will understand that man's way is not your way. You can continue forming St. Agnes or feminist, once an old rich man comes knocking, you japa once. Abegi

What more do you want to say because you and I are basically saying same things.

As long as you believe that Zulus and Xhosas have Bantu ancestors with some Khoisan DNA, then it means that we're also Bantu people.

Case closed.

Lionessza6:


I have so much to say to you , but just a bit busy so don't think I didn't attend to you because I'm lost for words .......far from it. I want to treat your case specifically, so I'll reply to you in due time , call me out if this doesn't happen within the next 12 hours .

Jahwinaboy:
Well, that's the truth about the matter. It requires a radical change to make Africa understand and develop more. Many are making efforts but most are comfortable with the statusquo especially the political class. Shout out to Julius Malema and Prof. Lumumba. Making efforts to unite Africa

Unfortunately those men you mentioned will not unite Africa with their borderless Africa ideas. Infact their ideas will further cause divisions and massive geographical wars . Paid slaves who use the plight of hopeless of the continent to make money. Malema the pan african is the same guy protesting for transgender and LGBTQ
rights to be recognized in Africa . The same men who want to overwhelm his own country with unskilled immigrants to cause chaos and hatred amongst Africans . He sounds to me like a typical World Economic Forum puppet.

Talking points of those paid slaves from the West to the East ;

1. Racism
2. Homophobia
3. Xenophobia
4. Global economy
5. Borderless world
6. Inclusive world
7. Equality for all .

Not my cup of tea

Samantha124:
What more do you want to say because you and I are basically saying same things.

As long as you believe that Zulus and Xhosas have Bantu ancestors with some Khoisan DNA, then it means that we're also Bantu people.

Case closed.

LMFAO, no ,me and you are not saying the samething . And as I said you will hear from me soon. The debate is still on.

Jahwinaboy:
Smug, NOTED. Marriage, peace of mind with someone you never met is absolutely possible considering their upbringing and clime. It's not rocket science. How many Nigerian seem not to achieve or feel a bit of relief from Meeting or Marrying a foreigner? Few. Crazy? I take that as a compliment. Tame your pride and you will understand that man's way is not your way. You can continue forming St. Agnes or feminist, once an old rich man comes knocking, you japa once. Abegi

Yeah, like I said before you sound crazy.

Once I japa? Lol I was never even born in Nigeria

Who is St Agnes?🤣

I don't remember anything about you.

How do you love the people that you've never lived amongst and got to understand them and their cultures.

Immediately you say you love someone by just seeing them without knowing them, it means you're lusting after them because you don't know anything about their character to actually come to a conclusion that you love them.

I'm very sure that if he connects you with a flat ass South African woman, you wouldn't like it.

achimendy:




My dear this is not the first time I'm interacting with you on nairaland, I have our previous comments where I told about SA girls and the love I have for them. And you even reply by telling me thank you. I remember you samantha, you even changed your profile picture, you wore black cloth and you were smiling, not a full pix though.



Lastly, am not lust after SA girls, I love them and that's the truth. If I have my way I'll marry them.

😒😒😒😒

Lionessza6:


LMFAO, no me and you are not saying the samething . And as I said you will hear from me soon. The debate is still on.

Lionessza6:


Unfortunately those men you mentioned will not unite Africa with their borderless Africa ideas. Infact their ideas will further cause divisions and massive geographical wars . Paid slaves who use the plight of hopeless of the continent to make money. Malema the pan african is the same guy protesting for transgender and LGBTQ
rights to be recognized in Africa . The same men who want to overwhelm his own country with unskilled immigrants to cause chaos and hatred amongst Africans . He sounds to me like a typical World Economic Forum puppet.

Talking points of those paid slaves from the West to the East ;

1. Racism
2. Homophobia
3. Xenophobia
4. Global economy
5. Borderless world
6. Inclusive world
7. Equality for all .

Not my cup of tea

Although I have heard similar intentions like these by Malema, I think he is missing the initial focus. No right thinking African should contemplate LGBTQ and other issues u highlighted and expect one Africa. Just like Harris(US VP) was humiliated in Ghana 2months ago while suggesting LGBTQ to them. Prof. Lumumba have been to Nigeria minimum 3times and he seems to point out problems of Africa especially Religious and tribal intolerance as well as poverty. The earlier Nigeria gets it right, the better for Africa

Samantha124:
Why do you have to post a picture of a beautiful cat? You make me miss mine..😭😭😭😭

Aww what happened to it?😯

I used to be so indifference to cats but lately I've just realised how adorable they are. Cat videos are now a thing with me

Samantha124:
And it can be offensive, it's as if we don't get to have a say.

Lol I'm happy you said something, if I said it they'd call me a jealous Nigerian girl