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AntiChristian:
How different?

They have absolutely nothing in common, except for the mentions of names of men they likely interacted with. For example, That which transpired between YHWH of the Bible and Adam, the first man, is completely different from the interaction between Allah of the Quran and supposedly the same Adam. This difference in character and approach clearly indicates these are two different entities.

Kobojunkie:
They have absolutely nothing in common, except for the mentions of names of men they likely interacted with. For example, That which transpired between YHWH of the Bible and Adam, the first man, is completely different from the interaction between Allah of the Quran and supposedly the same Adam. This difference in character and approach clearly indicates these are two different entities.

The difference you mentioned is less than the similarities!

Allah is Eternal and never dies!
Allah is one, indivisible!
Allah is omnipotent!
Allah is the All-Knowing!
Allah is the Cherisher and sustainer of All things!
Allah is the creator of all things!

AntiChristian:
■ The difference you mentioned is less than the similarities!
Allah is Eternal and never dies!
Allah is one, indivisible!
Allah is omnipotent!
Allah is the All-Knowing!
Allah is the Cherisher and sustainer of All things!
Allah is the creator of all things!

The differences are overwhelming and this list of yours only contains just a few.

Kobojunkie:
The differences are overwhelming and this list of yours only contains just a few.

Highlight your differences!

The truth is no matter what anyone say about God it's a welcome development in any civilized society the best way to handle such case is have the idea that the person or people are talking about their God not yours.

It's even much easier when the book you read differs from theirs and your religion also differ so know that they're talking about their God not yours.

In reality politicians are brainwashing gullible people in the society using different means and religion is a powerful tool to woo followers but wise individuals won't allow politicians use them.

So whether Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism or African religions what any sane individual should avoid is allowing politicians to use you for their selfish ambitions. Your God has promised you what is good if you do the right thing so do it and let others follow their own God too!

AntiChristian:
■ Highlight your differences!

The entirety of the scripture serves as proof of the differences between them both. YHWH is not Allah of the Quran, and cannot be mistaken as such. You know this even if you think it is best for you to try deny it with all your being.

Kobojunkie:
The entirety of the scripture serves as proof of the differences between them both. YHWH is not Allah of the Quran, and cannot be mistaken as such. You know this even if you think it is best for you to try deny it with all your being.

Highlight am na!

AntiChristian:
■ Highlight am na!

I already did highlight one, Adam.YHWH, in keeping with His Word, cursed Adam. Allah, on the other hand, is said to not have done that.

Kobojunkie:
I already did highlight one, Adam. YHWH, in keeping with His Word, cursed Adam. Allah, on the other hand, is said to not have done that.

OK, According to the Bible:
your God cursed the first Adam!
Then the Second Adam too was later cursed by the crucifixion!

Adam sinned and Allah punished him.
He later asked for forgiveness and Allah forgave him.

But this is one of the many errors from the Bible writers/copyists!

AntiChristian:
■ OK, According to the Bible: your God cursed the first Adam! Then the Second Adam too was later cursed by the crucifixion! Adam sinned and Allah punished him. He later asked for forgiveness and Allah forgave him.
But this is one of the many errors from the Bible writers/copyists!

Well, those many errors serve in scripture serve as confirmation that the stories are indeed not of the same entity.

Kobojunkie:
Well, those many errors serve in scripture serve as confirmation that the stories are indeed not of the same entity.

You are right!
In the Bible:
Elohim can mean Yahweh!
Elohim can mean Angel!
Elohim can mean Man/Prophet!
Elohim can even mean Satan!

AntiChristian:
You are right!
In the Bible:
Elohim can mean Yahweh!
Elohim can mean Angel!
Elohim can mean Man/Prophet!
Elohim can even mean Satan!

Nevertheless, all that adds to the fact that YHWH is not Allah of the Quran and should never be confused as such unless one exists in a state of serious denial of the facts.

Kobojunkie:
Nevertheless, all that adds to the fact that YHWH is not Allah of the Quran and should never be confused as such unless one exists in a state of serious denial of the facts.

They is only one God, Allah!

You are just mistaken!

AntiChristian:
■ They is only one God, Allah! You are just mistaken!

Scripture rather has it that there are many of them where YHWH is at the top of the Hierarchy— God of all gods. So, again, you cannot confuse the two unless you are sucking on some serious denial there.

By the way, how can I be mistaken when this is all in fact records that are 1000s of years old which I quote here?

Kobojunkie:
Scripture rather has it that there are many of them where YHWH is at the top of the Hierarchy— God of all gods. So, again, you cannot confuse the two unless you are sucking on some serious denial there.

By the way, how can I be mistaken when this is all in fact records that are 1000s of years old which I quote here?

Are you saying facts of 1000s of years old can't be wrong or mistaken?

They were written and copied by men and no one successfully memorized the whole Bible at any point in time!

AntiChristian:
■ Are you saying facts of 1000s of years old can't be wrong or mistaken?
■ They were written and copied by men and no one successfully memorized the whole Bible at any point in time!

1. Given that the subject is an unchanging God, facts recorded of Him 1000s of years ago should remain the same even today.

2. So you are under some sort of impression that having men memorize the whole bible would have been an effective way to shore against errors? Do you think the human mind is somehow infallible?

Kobojunkie:
1. Given that the subject is an unchanging God, facts recorded of Him 1000s of years ago should remain the same even today.

Unchanging God? Who told you God does not change in your Bible! Well that's a contradiction!
God changed His mind for Hezekiah, Ahab and Moses's wife Zipporah!
We read God regretted (Gen 6:6-7) and repented (Jonah 3:10-KJV) too!.........Diction
All these don't speak well of an Almighty/All-knowing God!

How will God regret/repent if He is Al-knowing?
How will God change his plan if he's the master planner?
God does not change his mind. (Num. 23:19, Psalm 55:19, 110:4)......................Contradiction

2. So you are under some sort of impression that having men memorize the whole bible would have been an effective way to shore against errors? Do you think the human mind is somehow infallible?

Yeah, it is somehow infallible when larger number of people are involved!

AntiChristian:
■ Unchanging God? Who told you God does not change in your Bible! Well that's a contradiction!
■ God changed His mind for Hezekiah, Ahab and Moses's wife Zipporah!
We read God regretted (Gen 6:6-7) and repented (Jonah 3:10-KJV) too!.........Diction
All these don't speak well of an Almighty/All-knowing God!

■ How will God regret/repent if He is Al-knowing?
■ How will God change his plan if he's the master planner?
God does not change his mind. (Num. 23:19, Psalm 55:19, 110:4)......................Contradiction
2. Yeah, it is somehow infallible when larger number of people are involved!

1. All you point out are here are yet more evidence to show YHWH of scripture is definitely not Allah of the Quran, right?

2. So, human memory, when employed in large quantities is close to infallible, even though the humans themselves are not?

AntiChristian:
Correct your typo!

Corrected.

Dtruthspeaker:
No Christian compels you to agree but the most important thing is that A King has a right to determine how He shall visit His domain and how He shall relate with His Subjects.

It is God's Right whether you like it or not!

But same God said he does not change many times!

Even the writer of Hebrew said Jesus does not change!

What a contradiction!

AntiChristian:
But same God said he does not change many times!

Even the writer of Hebrew said Jesus does not change!

What a contradiction!

Don't be stupid na. "I am the same" has nothing to do with the right of visiting my territories.

Dtruthspeaker:
Don't be stupid na. "I am the same" has nothing to do with the right of visiting my territories.

How was he the same when he visited?

AntiChristian:
But same God said he does not change many times!

Even the writer of Hebrew said Jesus does not change!

What a contradiction!

God can change His mind but His personality doesn't change. God's personality has been consistent. Let me mention a few:

1. He hates sin with passion. He still does till today.

2. God will change his mind towards you if you turn from good to evil or from evil to good. He still does that till today.

3. God will always fulfil His promises. He never breaks a promise except the beneficiary fails to keep his own end of the terms. He's still like that till today.

4. God does not hasten to execute judgement on sinners. He waits a long time for them to repent before bringing judgement on them. He has not changed till today.

5. God loves mankind so much. The salvation of man is God's heartbeat. Everything God does, He does it because of man. He has never changed. He's still like that till today.

6. God hates false witnesses. He doesn't take such sins lightly. He's still like that till today.

7. God hates murderers. He's still like that till today.

8. God is extremely merciful and forgiving. No matter what you've done, if you repent, He'll forgive you and reduce your punishment. Sometimes, He would even exonerate you completely. He's still like that till today.

9. God does not share His glory with any man or anyone in the universe. His glory is due Him alone. If you share His glory, He'll withdraw His Presence from you. He has not changed. He's still like that till today.

10. God would not force Himself on man or overrule man's freewill to have His way with man. After telling man what His will is, He allows man to do according to His choices, but for every action of man, He'll bring man to judgement at the time appointed. He's still like that till today. He never changes.

I think you lack the understanding of the unchangeable nature of God.

AntiChristian:
How was he the same when he visited?

Please na! You know I appreciate the fact that you are being respectful and but you also know that I find it very difficult tolerating a stupid statement.

President Buhari will not change from being president Buhari even if he visits your house in Tshirt and jeans today. Everyone knows that

Dtruthspeaker:
Please na! You know I appreciate the fact that you are being respectful and but you also know that I find it very difficult tolerating a stupid statement.

You are the one that usually start the abuse. I don't know if its part of your own Christ-like attitude...

President Buhari will not change from being president Buhari even if he visits your house in Tshirt and jeans today. Everyone knows that

But President Buhari would agree that he is no more the President next Monday but just a former President! That's a change!
God did change from when He controls everything to when he was suckled and protected by his parents!
God sef get parents!
Our father in heaven enter his mama's womb to later pass through the Vagina of one of his creations!
God was never flogged/punished till he was flogged/punished by his creations!
God no dey eat then started eating!
God no dey die but later died!
God regreted!
God repented!

How are these changes as you claim?

AntiChristian:
You are the one that usually start the abuse. I don't know if its part of your own Christ-like attitude...

It has been over stated that it is right and just to call a spade, a spade, so it is therefore right to call a fool, a fool.

AntiChristian:
But President Buhari would agree that he is no more the President next Monday but just a former President! That's a change!
God did change from when He controls everything to when he was suckled and protected by his parents!
God sef get parents!
Our father in heaven enter his mama's womb to later pass through the Vagina of one of his creations!
God was never flogged/punished till he was flogged/punished by his creations!
God no dey eat then started eating!
God no dey die but later died!
God regreted!
God repented!

How are these changes as you claim?

Today, President Buhari is still president as God is still God today, so no change.

Secondly, none of all you said is a "God has changed" situation for it is exactly as when Tinubu was the president of Lagos State, he allowed a secondary school student to rule for one day as is his rights.

Same for disguising Himself as a baby/boy/youth.

No different from President Obama going to play football where he shall be tackled and fouled upon.

So, as I said, you are talking very stupidly.

God can change his mind but not His personality! Which Bible verse says this?

Hebrew 13:8, Malachi 3:6, James 1:17, Numbers 23:19, Isaiah 40:8 & 40:28, Psalm 102:25-27 & 119:89 & 33:11, 2 Timothy 2:13, etc. Which specifically can you quote in your narration below?

FxMasterz:
God can change His mind but His personality doesn't change. God's personality has been consistent. Let me mention a few:

1. He hates sin with passion. He still does till today.

2. God will change his mind towards you if you turn from good to evil or from evil to good. He still does that till today.

3. God will always fulfil His promises. He never breaks a promise except the beneficiary fails to keep his own end of the terms. He's still like that till today.

4. God does not hasten to execute judgement on sinners. He waits a long time for them to repent before bringing judgement on them. He has not changed till today.

5. God loves mankind so much. The salvation of man is God's heartbeat. Everything God does, He does it because of man. He has never changed. He's still like that till today.

6. God hates false witnesses. He doesn't take such sins lightly. He's still like that till today.

7. God hates murderers. He's still like that till today.

8. God is extremely merciful and forgiving. No matter what you've done, if you repent, He'll forgive you and reduce your punishment. Sometimes, He would even exonerate you completely. He's still like that till today.

9. God does not share His glory with any man or anyone in the universe. His glory is due Him alone. If you share His glory, He'll withdraw His Presence from you. He has not changed. He's still like that till today.

10. God would not force Himself on man or overrule man's freewill to have His way with man. After telling man what His will is, He allows man to do according to His choices, but for every action of man, He'll bring man to judgement at the time appointed. He's still like that till today. He never changes.

I think you lack the understanding of the unchangeable nature of God.

AntiChristian:
God can change his mind but not His personality! Which Bible verse says this?

Without any Book, common sense would have told you that a Person always has a right to make and change their minds and yet the Person does not change.

Dtruthspeaker:
It has been over stated that it is right and just to call a spade, a spade, so it is therefore right to call a fool, a fool.

Yes, just as Jesus was called out of his mind by his family. Were they right?

Today, President Buhari is still president as God is still God today, so no change.

Not by Tuesday! When the Biblical God became man he changed! The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. John 1:14.

God knows everything!
Jesus was asked about the hour and he said only his father knows that!
No be change be that! From knowing all to knowing some!
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Matthew 26:36, Mark 13:32

Secondly, none of all you said is a "God has changed" situation for it is exactly as when Tinubu was the president of Lagos State, he allowed a secondary school student to rule for one day as is his rights.

They way you guys describe your God is condescending! Comparing God to a common Governor!

Same for disguising Himself as a baby/boy/youth.

God disguised himself! Another condescending description!

No different from President Obama going to play football where he shall be tackled and fouled upon.

So, as I said, you are talking very stupidly.

Yeah, i do not pray to worship these your condescended God!

But it's actually a lie from you. God becoming man is a big change!
Yet God does not change!
If God has infinite understanding of all things then he won't regret in the Bible nor will he not know the hour!

Dtruthspeaker:
Without any Book, common sense would have told you that a Person always has a right to make and change their minds and yet the Person does not change.

Okay so God can Change but not Change!

Alright!

Holy Spirit has taken over!

God's mind is different from His person/personality according to you guys!

AntiChristian:
Okay so God can Change but not Change!

Alright!

Holy Spirit has taken over!

A change of mind is not the same as a change of person.

Dtruthspeaker:
A change of mind is not the same as a change of person.

So God's mind is different from His person/personality according to you guys?