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JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by MaxInDHouse(op):
I have had lots of discussions with so many on this topic so i decided to raise a thread that'll treat it for everyone who feels he or she is really intelligent to contribute.

American English Dictionary defines atheism as:

(narrowly) Belief that no deities exist (sometimes including rejection of other religious beliefs).
(broadly) Rejection of belief that any deities exist (with or without a belief that no deities exist).
(very broadly) Absence of belief that any deities exist (including absence of the concept of deities).
(historical) Absence of belief in a particular deity, pantheon, or religious doctrine (notwithstanding belief in other deities).



My own definition of an atheist:

Anyone who doesn't believe in deities!

But this has a deeper meaning than the short sentence because the word "BELIEVE" connotes "TRUST" or "FEAR" so as to continue doing things in line with the rules set by the deity you're certain of His/ Her/ Its existence.

So if truly you believe in a deity you will live strictly in harmony with what the deity say.

Now let's check how many people truly believe the existence of an unseen supernatural being?
Is it those saying they believe with their mouth but whose actions says otherwise?
An author says in His book:

'The foolish one says in his heart: “There is no Jehovah (God).” Their actions are corrupt, and their dealings are detestable; No one is doing good' Psalm 14:1

Note that the Author didn't just say "the foolish say with his mouth" rather He said "the foolish say in his heart"
So how do you know those saying God doesn't exist in their hearts?
Is it by declaring it with their lips?
This Author still goes further saying:

"their actions are corrupt, their dealings are detestable, none of them is doing what is good" compare to 2Timothy 3:5

In fact the Author still say about these disguised atheists:

“This people approach me with their mouth And they honor me with their lips, But their heart is far removed from me; And their fear of me is based on commands of men that they have been taught." Isaiah 29:13

This means instead of the fear of God they are living in fear of man because they can see man but can't see God.

So the floor is open guys how many atheists do you know around you?
Is it just those claiming they're atheists to prove they're bold, fearless and not gullible or those acting in line with the concept of ATHEISM which says:

"There is no God"

You're welcome! smiley
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by Jayhome24: 7:56am On Jun 13, 2023
Bro I particularly don't believe anything like Athiest exist anywhere I just see the word as being ignorantly coined out to interprete non existing thinking or gesture.

"Claiming not believing in anything is itself a belief" in as far the word "belief" can't be missing in their thought then it look absurd to me for someone to say "oh I don't believe in anything I only believe in Atheism"

My personal opinion though.....
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by HappyPagan: 8:14am On Jun 13, 2023
Who is a Christian?

A fool that says in his heart a Virgin Israeli gave birth to his Savior. He has never been to Bethlehem or Nazareth, but he believes in a new Jerusalem he will be a partaker of.

One who never met the criminal that was hung on a cross, but believes he is been somewhere in the sky building mansion he will come back to move him into. Free everlasting lodging.

God forbid Christianity..what a barbaric religion.
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by Maynmann:
Opposite of a Theist.

The foolish one says in his heart: “There is no Jehovah. Their actions are corrupt, and their dealings are detestable; No one is doing good' Psalm 14:1

One of the monotheistic gods we have is jehovah properly pronounce yahweh and it’s an israelite god, other theists don’t worship yahweh like hindus, mardukite, Allah worshippers and that doesn’t make them an atheist.

That psalm verse is saying anyone that doesn’t believe yahweh exist is a fool, it’s talking to all non yahweh worshippers.

Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by MaxInDHouse(op): 8:33am On Jun 13, 2023
HappyPagan:
God forbid Christianity.
Please tell me which religion God approves! smiley
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by MaxInDHouse(op): 8:34am On Jun 13, 2023
Maynmann:
Opposite of a Theist.

The foolish one says in his heart: “There is no Jehovah. Their actions are corrupt, and their dealings are detestable; No one is doing good' Psalm 14:1

One of the monotheistic gods we have is jehovah properly pronounce yahweh and it’s an israelite god, other theists don’t worship yahweh it like hindu, marduk and islam worshippers and that doesn’t make them an atheist.

That psalm verse is saying anyone that doesn’t believe yahweh exist is a fool, it’s talking to all non yahweh worshippers.
Thanks for your contribution!
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by HappyPagan: 8:34am On Jun 13, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Please tell me which religion God approves! smiley
huh
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by vdestro: 8:34am On Jun 13, 2023
1) One who hates God when he real eyesis that God has hated him and casted him out like a bastard.

2) One who hates God when he sees that God no longer hears his prayers and helps him.

3) One who hates God because his life is hard and full of misery and pain.

4) One who hates God because he is a fool.
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by MaxInDHouse(op): 8:36am On Jun 13, 2023
vdestro:
1) One who hates God when he real eyesis that God has hated him and casted him out like a bastard.

2) One who hates God when he sees that God no longer hears his prayers and helps him.

3) One who hates God because his life is hard and full of misery and pain.

4) One who hates God because he is a fool.
Thanks for your contribution!
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by vdestro: 8:38am On Jun 13, 2023
HappyPagan:
Who is a Christian?

A fool that says in his heart a Virgin Israeli gave birth to his Savior. He has never been to Bethlehem or Nazareth, but he believes in a new Jerusalem he will be a partaker of.

One who never met the criminal that was hung on a cross, but believes he is been somewhere in the sky building mansion he will come back to move him into. Free everlasting lodging.

God forbid Christianity..what a barbaric religion.
You have never been abroad nor seen elon musk yet you believe that he is the richest man, You too are what you call Christian. grin
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by HappyPagan: 8:40am On Jun 13, 2023
vdestro:
You have never been abroad nor seen elon musk yet you believe that he is the richest man, You too are what you call Christian. grin
See why I ignore you? The only classes you take are Sunday school. That's why you don't have sense at all. Sorry, me can't help you.
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by Maynmann: 8:41am On Jun 13, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Thanks for your contribution!
Always welcome theist.
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by Maynmann: 8:42am On Jun 13, 2023
vdestro:
You have never been abroad nor seen elon musk yet you believe that he is the richest man, You too are what you call Christian. grin
Everyone abroad has seen elon musk that’s why they “believe” he is the richest man grin
Have you seen tinubu to ascertain he is nigeria President, or do you “believe” tinubu is nigeria President?
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by vdestro: 8:46am On Jun 13, 2023
HappyPagan:
See why I ignore you? The only classes you take are Sunday school. That's why you don't have sense at all. Sorry, me can't help you.
Just say that you were caught in your own device. It was better you stay silent rather than been caught doing the same thing which you are accusing others of doing. grin
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by vdestro: 8:50am On Jun 13, 2023
Maynmann:
Everyone abroad has seen elon musk that’s why they “believe” he is the richest man grin
Have you seen tinubu to ascertain he is nigeria President, or do you “believe” tinubu is nigeria President?
He is not abroad nor as he seen elon, yet he believes in the reports given about Elon. Exactly what he accused us of doing. Talk about a pot calliing the kettle black
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by Maynmann: 8:52am On Jun 13, 2023
vdestro:
He is not abroad nor as he seen elon, yet he believes in the reports given about Elon. Exactly what he accused us of doing. Talk about a pot calliing the kettle black
But the report came with evidence that you can check yourself and not when you are abroad.

“The rise in the position was due to the shares of Musk’s electric vehicle giant surging to their highest level this year.”
https://www.bqprime.com/amp/business/elon-musk-reclaims-worlds-richest-person-for-first-time-in-6-months-bqc

Hope you know the opposite of atheism is theism, and a ogun worshipper is a theist just like a yahweh worshipper?
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by HappyPagan: 8:56am On Jun 13, 2023
vdestro:
Just say that you were caught in your own device. It was better you stay silent rather than been caught doing the same thing which you are accusing others of doing. grin
Have fun. These issues are clearly above you.
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by HappyPagan: 8:57am On Jun 13, 2023
Maynmann:
But the report came with evidence that you can check yourself and not when you are abroad.

“The rise in the position was due to the shares of Musk’s electric vehicle giant surging to their highest level this year.”
https://www.bqprime.com/amp/business/elon-musk-reclaims-worlds-richest-person-for-first-time-in-6-months-bqc

Hope you know the opposite of atheism is theism, and a ogun worshipper is a theist just like a yahweh worshipper?
The guy na retard. Imagine comparing a man who has a Facebook account with one who lived with goats 2000 years ago... This nigga probably doesn't know his great grandparents and their history..
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by Maynmann: 9:07am On Jun 13, 2023
HappyPagan:
The guy na retard. Imagine comparing a man who has a Facebook account with one who lived with goats 2000 years ago... This nigga probably doesn't know his great grandparents and their history..
Naso most theists dey do.
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by MaxInDHouse(op): 9:20am On Jun 13, 2023
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Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by Maynmann: 9:45am On Jun 13, 2023
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by MightySparrow: 10:08am On Jun 13, 2023
Unreasonable people.
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by MaxInDHouse(op):
Jayhome24:
Bro I particularly don't believe anything like Athiest exist anywhere I just see the word as being ignorantly coined out to interprete non existing thinking or gesture.

"Claiming not believing in anything is itself a belief" in as far the word "belief" can't be missing in their thought then it look absurd to me for someone to say "oh I don't believe in anything I only believe in Atheism"

My personal opinion though.....
Words are adopted and used when majority starts using it.
For instance the word "CHURCH" according to the Bible means a gathering of Christians but over the years many do refer to buildings where worshipers claiming Christians gather to worship hence it was adopted even by many intellectuals so instead of the assembly many now calls the buildings "church"

The same applies to the word atheism today as it has been adopted so instead of arguing over it's real meaning let's assume it has been accepted even by believers but then we need to distinguish between true atheists and those claiming atheists because there are many claiming atheists but are believers and there are many claiming believers but are atheists.

Meanwhile thanks for your contribution!
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by Image123(m): 10:37am On Jun 13, 2023
HappyPagan:
Who is a Christian?

A fool that says in his heart a Virgin Israeli gave birth to his Savior. He has never been to Bethlehem or Nazareth, but he believes in a new Jerusalem he will be a partaker of.

One who never met the criminal that was hung on a cross, but believes he is been somewhere in the sky building mansion he will come back to move him into. Free everlasting lodging.

God forbid Christianity..what a barbaric religion.
Jesus Christ changed my life, how can He be dead when He lives in me? How can He be dead when He changes the vilest of sinners into responsible saints?

Rev 3:20 KJV Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I[b] will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.[/b]
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by MaxInDHouse(op):
Image123:
Jesus Christ changed my life, how can He be dead when He lives in me? How can He be dead when He changes the vilest of sinners into responsible saints?
Rev 3:20 KJV Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I[b] will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.[/b]
Instead of pestering him to reason with what your own religion teaches why not reason with him to tell you more about his own God who:
"forbid Christianity"
grin
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by HappyPagan:
Image123:
Jesus Christ changed my life, how can He be dead when He lives in me? How can He be dead when He changes the vilest of sinners into responsible saints?

Rev 3:20 KJV Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I[b] will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.[/b]
- sorry, you possessed being. You have a 2000 year old demon living in you.
- I'm sorry the only way you knew to be responsible was by believing in a long dead carpenter. If that works for you, good for the rest of us.... Good thing there are a whole lot of responsible people who aren't Christian, and a whole lot of irresponsible people who are.

Glad the Israeli zombie worked for you though. It's good to know you are possessed. I'm sure our interactions in the future will take into consideration these observations.
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by Aemmyjah(m): 1:01pm On Jun 13, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Thanks for your contribution!
Put the mented man to rest
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by MaxInDHouse(op): 1:25pm On Jun 13, 2023
Aemmyjah:
Put the mented man to rest
When we're talking about the real meaning of the word "ATHEIST" but a so called atheist come in only to start talking about what doesn't relate to the topic the best thing to say is:
"Thanks for your contribution"
So we let the sleep dog lie!
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by Maynmann: 1:27pm On Jun 13, 2023
“ When we're talking about the real meaning of the word "ATHEIST".

A theist talking about an atheist 😂

Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by MaxInDHouse(op): 1:36pm On Jun 13, 2023
Maynmann:
“ When we're talking about the real meaning of the word "ATHEIST".
A theist talking about an atheist 😂
When talking about reasoning you need what is called the UNCOMMON SENCE to participate in such a discussion.

For instance you said:

Maynmann:
That psalm verse is saying anyone that doesn’t believe yahweh exist is a fool, it’s talking to all non yahweh worshippers.
The psalmist can't be talking to people who have never heard about his God because to such ones what they don't know can't exist until they know but the psalmist is talking about people who are living where this God is actively working out so many things yet they're not living in fear of Him.

Such ones are really really foolish but those who have never had anything to do with Him or His works what business has they got to do with His existence? smiley
Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by Maynmann: 1:43pm On Jun 13, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
When talking about reasoning you need what is called the UNCOMMON SENCE to participate in such a discussion.

For instance you said:



The psalmist can't be talking to people who have never heard about his God because to such ones what they don't know can't exist until they know but the psalmist is talking about people who are living where this God is actively working out so many things yet they're not living in fear of Him.

Such ones are really really foolish but those who have never had anything to do with Him or His works what business has they got to do with His existence? smiley
I’m sure the unknown psalmist doesn’t speak English.
The books you are quoting is a jewish book.

Those who don’t know the knowledge of their religion continue to bask in illusions and worship israelite god.

Re: JW 018 Who Is An Atheist For Real? by MaxInDHouse(op): 1:50pm On Jun 13, 2023
Maynmann:
I’m sure the psalmist doesn’t speak English.
Those who don’t know the knowledge of their religion continue to bask in illusions and worship israelite god.
Imagine someone who lives in a remote village around Brazil how reasonable will it sound if a Nigerian say such a person is foolish for not having the fear of Buhari! huh

That's exactly what you're arguing blindly for, who could have heard of the psalmist's God if the Bible wasn't brought here? undecided
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