₦airaland Forum

Flets:
Please which jobs will pay Nigerians per hour?, government provided jobs or private sector?..... today's Nigeria has unemployment rate at 35% but you make policies and assumptions that does not reflect Nigeria's reality

Every sector in Nigeria has immense corruption going on but you expect the universities to get more money and utilize it properly without looting? Which planet una come from sef? ....... Government universities with more money at their disposal are not same with private universities managed by its owner, watch out for the level of looting in Nigerian universities going forward.

forgiveness:
I said the salary should be reviewed to pay per hour.

The law must compel employers to pay employees according to the minimum wage per hour.

This is obtainable in most countries. Here employers are profiting big time but pay little. This must change.

forgiveness:
Will the loan be limited?

That's what is obtainable in the so called U.K and American universities Nigerians are running to.

Once the standard of education is sustained in Nigeria, we can attract other African students to bring their money to study in Nigeria.

Our Universities must be well funded by generating funds through tution fees to attract foreign students.

Of course, I expect government to also create scholarship schemes for genius students.

This system adopted by FG is ongoing in U.K, America, Brazil, Canada etc but you think Nigerians shouldn't adopt it because they will be poor forever.

The next step is to review the minimum wages to per hour. That will enable students to pay their dept

SalamRushdie:
We told you Student loan was just trick to get you to accept unaffordable tuition..Many of you are about to never get university degrees again.

Flets:
Government to compel employers when fuel and diesel price have ran most small and medium organizations out of business? Do you guys really think through these things you say? Do you know the challenges of running business in Nigeria?

What is obtainable in most countries are not obtainable here. Your manufacturing sector is dead...... where do you want to manufacture these employments from?

TinubuSlave:
shut up

Flets:
Do you really understand Nigeria?, can you mention one policy adopted in developed nations that has worked effectively here in Nigeria. Any policy that has not considered the corrupt and unitary system of government operated in Nigeria is bound to fail.

Dougad:
Unemployment rate to go up to 45% within the next year or two.

Poverty rate at 45% currently.

Fuel subsidy gone.

University funding gone which will leave the schools to set their prices.

Poor people are going to be shut out completely in the next coming months. 🤣

Grayoso:
You don't understand. I mean replacing University education subsidy with low interest or zero interest loans, as Nigeria is about to do, has succeeded elsewhere.

For example, after an eternity, the UK government replaced the grant system with student loans successfully. That is my point.

Grayoso:
100% correct. We cannot seek to go from a third world country to becoming a developed nation without embracing fundamental reforms.

I for one, always frown at how most complex civil engineering projects in Nigeria are handled by foreigners.

The truth starring us in the face is that this situation is so because we do not train graduates who are as good as other in certain disciplines.

Now imagine, as you hinted, modern reforms of our University sector that will mean it can produce the sort of civil engineers, as good as any worldwide, who are competent and skilled enough to handle major projects in Nigerian and in other African countries?

We really need to begin looking at the big "teach a man to fish" picture instead of remaining a lazy and unambitious people only interested in being fed inadequate and miserly portions of fish forever.

Flets:
You obviously chose not to understand me...... let me follow your thought process since we are following the UK policies
Let's also change the NIgerian minimum wage to UK minimum wage
Let's ensure Nigeria has constant power like the UK
Lets ensure employment is at the same levels in the UK to enable students pay back their loans
Lets make sure manufacturing is at par with the UK
Let's make sure corruption level is at par with the UK
Let's make sure corrupt public officers get prosecuted as its done in the UK

Nigeria is Nigeria and UK is UK, Nigerian solution for Nigerian problems for christ's sake.
If you dont get it anymore, i cant help you. Just watch as the corruption in the universities loot up any funds paid by the students

Grayoso:
I gave the UK as a random example where a move away from subsidized University education has worked successfully. It is not the only example.

Nigeria can modulate her own model, under Tinubu, to facilitate our peculiarities. Some of which you highlight.

To argue against what is a clear, developmental and evolutionarily progressive way forward is lunacy.

I don't even need to go more than a mile from my Lagos home to note that Nigeria is not producing anywhere near the standard level of graduates required to deliver "Nigerian solutions for Nigerian problems".

When you replied with those words, I am sure you were not ignorant of their implications given that the UK, with a far superior University education in comparison to Nigeria, continues to produce graduates who can deliver solutions for the UK and the world.

Whereas Nigeria, as a sad example, does not have one civil engineering firm, driven by Nigerian graduates, that can deliver Lagos Fourth mainland bridge start to finish because we simply do not possess the education system to deliver that sort of highly skilled world-class labour.

Truth is that this is a redundant back and forth discussion, perhaps tainted heavily by sentiments and emotions, we should not even be engaging in.

Incentivising the University level education of Nigeria to produce highest calibre graduates, with a capitalist funding model, will provide great yields for Nigeria.

This is because it can deliver superior graduates who can provide "Nigerian solutions for Nigerian problems" as a way forward for us nationally and internationally.

How can you be blind to this simple concept and the ruthless drive, even if uncomfortable in the short term, to achieve it?

In fact most progressive observers and analysts would argue Nigeria, far more than the UK and USA etal, needs a competitive University education system that will produce premium level graduates who can begin providing solutions for all sectors and fields of Nigerian socio-economic deficiencies !!!

What obtains today is dross and abject mediocrity where a secondary school student in the West can think and provide solutions better than most Nigerian University graduates. We must turn this deplorable status quo around if we want to become a developed nation and the true giant of Africa meritoriously.

Derrickfoster1:
No one voted the cocaine sniffing animal

Grayoso:
Precisely the same has happened in the most advanced nations of the World where Government no longer subsidize University education and have instead deployed low interest or zero interest loans for the cost of university education.

Those who cannot or do not wish to go to University can be supported with vocational training that gives them expert and work-focused skills towards nations creating a more efficient and productive workforce.

It is not all about University educatiion alone. More about creating a good model of education and accessible training to keep Nigeria in steady supply of efficient and productive workers and solutions providers.

The model has proven to be efficient because
It a productive way forward as nations grapple with dwindling resources that forces them to work with an awareness of 'economies of scale' necessity. This is all in line with fundamental reforms Nigerians must support for a much brighter future.

CodeTemplar:
it will shock you when they start dealing with you guys. Ever wondered why the north has led EFCC virtually since inception?

MXrep:
Wetin concern us the Igbos. We go just sudden look. Tinubu policies favor us. If the North fight him we can only sit down and laugh

MXrep:
Wetin concern us the Igbos. We go just sudden look. Tinubu policies favor us. If the North fight him we can only sit down and laugh

forgiveness:
That's it. Quality education that will translate to infrastructural development and economic development.

No more using money to buy handouts for grade or bribing lectures for mark because Lectures and professors will earn more salaries that will enable them to concentrate on teaching and carrying out research instead of money to pay house rent, their children schools etc.

This is time to embrace this policy. Universities should generate funds by themselves to develop themselves. No more strike which will boost the image of our universities to foreigners outside Nigeria and those expatriates that send their children abroad due to our low quality of education.

In Ghana, expatriates educate their children in Ghana instead of sending them abroad.

This will create competition and expose our youths to foreign cultures.

Those running to uk or abroad will reduce knowing you can graduate at the appreciate year without being disrupted by consistent strikes.

Maazieze:
How does this benefit us? it benefits no one

PENTALK360:
President Bola Ahmed Tinubu’s led Federal Government has announced that the government can no longer bear the financial burden of universities in the country.

PENTALK360 reports that during a media briefing in Abuja on Wednesday, Permanent Secretary for the Federal Ministry of Education, Andrew David Adejo, emphasised that while universities already enjoy autonomy, they lack financial autonomy.

Adejo explained, “Whether we like it or not, the government can no longer foot the bill for universities. That is why we are pursuing private-public partnerships. The universities already have autonomy; what they lack is financial autonomy. Once they obtain it, they will be able to address this issue, and the government is actively working towards that goal.”

In addition to this development, President Tinubu has instructed relevant stakeholders to ensure the disbursement of student loans by the end of the September/October 2023/2024 Academic Session.

Addressing some speculations, Adejo clarified that an inter-ministerial committee would be inaugurated next week to streamline the loan application process, aiming to provide loans to students within six weeks.

He also emphasised that the loan scheme would not solely benefit public school students, as private school students also deserve the opportunity to access the financial support.

Adejo highlighted the need to cover not only tuition fees but also other expenses, such as accommodation and living costs.

“We want to ensure that the loan scheme sustains students throughout their education. It’s not just about paying tuition; it’s about providing a comprehensive solution to support students in their academic journey,” Adejo stated.

He further emphasised that the current act aims to learn from past mistakes, where there were more defaulters than successful loan repayments.

“You can’t give someone a loan and say, pay tuition without sustaining his school. No, you have to get accommodation; even if tuition fees in public universities are free, you still pay for your accommodation and the federal government would not give you loan that will not make sure you get in school, stay in school and graduate”

“We want the current act to learn from the mistake of the past where there are more defaulters than people that paid the bill, the past is like it is a government money come and take and go, free money but that is not going to be the case with this.”

MXrep:
But you insulted Peter obi for increasing school fees despite evidence of quality if education. You also praised Tinubu for welfarism of free WAEC

Flets:
Without getting into much details, the educational system you tend to project are already in practice in the private Nigerian universities .... then why is there a gap in the application of acquired education?. The answer is simple, its the environment... the enabling environment.

No sector of the Nigerian economy operates in a vacuum and corruption applies to all. Infact I will argue that our education (even with its subsidy) in Nigeria is not substandard because Nigerians perform wonders when they travel to developed nations and without any additional education.

Stop treating the symptoms, treat the ailment. How can we all adopt all western policies without the corresponding enabling environment it offers. I repeat, Nigerian solution for Nigerian problems....... Nigeria is not ripe for unsubsidized education. The politicians should stop the looting and reduce the cost of governance to fund the education sectors. Nigerians have suffered enough.

A lot of developed nations still subsidize education, stop pointing the US alone as its not the only developed nation

Stone03:
So we keep copying systems of other nations we do not have the same foundations with, right?

Grayoso:
I gave the UK as a random example where a move away from subsidized University education has worked successfully. It is not the only example.

Nigeria can modulate her own model, under Tinubu, to facilitate our peculiarities. Some of which you highlight.

To argue against what is a clear, developmental and evolutionarily progressive way forward is lunacy.

I don't even need to go more than a mile from my Lagos home to note that Nigeria is not producing anywhere near the standard level of graduates required to deliver "Nigerian solutions for Nigerian problems".

When you replied with those words, I am sure you were not ignorant of their implications given that the UK, with a far superior University education in comparison to Nigeria, continues to produce graduates who can deliver solutions for the UK and the world.

Whereas Nigeria, as a sad example, does not have one civil engineering firm, driven by Nigerian graduates, that can deliver Lagos Fourth mainland bridge start to finish because we simply do not possess the education system to deliver that sort of highly skilled world-class labour.

Truth is that this is a redundant back and forth discussion, perhaps tainted heavily by sentiments and emotions, we should not even be engaging in.

Incentivising the University level education of Nigeria to produce highest calibre graduates, with a capitalist funding model, will provide great yields for Nigeria.

This is because it can deliver superior graduates who can provide "Nigerian solutions for Nigerian problems" as a way forward for us nationally and internationally.

How can you be blind to this simple concept and the ruthless drive, even if uncomfortable in the short term, to achieve it?

In fact most progressive observers and analysts would argue Nigeria, far more than the UK and USA etal, needs a competitive University education system that will produce premium level graduates who can begin providing solutions for all sectors and fields of Nigerian socio-economic deficiencies !!!

What obtains today is dross and abject mediocrity where a secondary school student in the West can think and provide solutions better than most Nigerian University graduates. We must turn this deplorable status quo around if we want to become a developed nation and the true giant of Africa meritoriously.

Grayoso:
The Nigerian Higher education model is substandard. It is not difficult to prove this.

As a side issue, please never mention Nigerian private Universities as validation of an argument for provision of even standard higher education training.

Most Nigerian private universities are a 'Chicken shed' joke catchphrase for cynical profiteering and opportunism of businessmen who know nothing about the provision of optimal education and only see money they can make from a populous but desperately hopeless people.

What you identify correctly, even if you have proffered the wrong validating argument, is that Nigerians do not have intellectual deficiencies in comparison to others.

This, and nothing else, is why Nigerians excel when placed in systems, abroad, where success is commensurate to natural talent and hunger for success.

Those systems incentivise citizens to be their best because their inventors know that is what spurs and will continue to maintain productivity and innovations for modern societies.

What we have today, per higher education i.e degree, post grad and PHD level, is an insult to the potentials of Nigeria that needs to be binned and replaced with a model that can produce optimally educated Nigerians, not deficient in comparison to anyone, who can
provide solutions for a society and even enough to export, as skilled labour, to assist others solve problems outside the borders of Nigeria.

If you can show me one Nigerian firm that is even remotely close to Julius Berger in top level civil engineering Project deployment accross Nigeria, talk less of even the world, then I will concede you are correct and I am wrong

As long as we continue to import specialist skills, from overseas, to tackle our problems in Nigeria then it means our training or intellect is inferior.

I don't believe it is intellect given how Nigerians excel when optimally trained and educated outside Nigeria. Logically, any averagely intelligent adult will conclude our training is the problem. Over to you Sir.

forgiveness:
Me? Where? Show me.

helinues:
Don't waste another 4 years crying and teeth gnashing

Life is too beautiful than that

SpecialAdviser:
I told people to wait for a year to understand the disaster they voted as president and some people thought I was joking.

CodeTemplar:
Lol... I rightly predicted all subsidy removals.
Forex, Petrol and Education all gone within 20 days of the new govt. Next will be massive looting via PPP arrangement like we saw in Lagos over the last 24 years. There is a reason why armed robbers dont grow old in the society but end up dead or incarcerated. They never get satisfied.

Expect electricity and fertilizer to follow.

Jokerman:
Of course. In this day and age, how can a student of STEM be paying 20k as school fees 🤣🤣🤣