rvp2018:
Poland and Ukraine are siamese twins now. Clearly Ramaphosa peace project is unwelcomed.

Until big boys of US, Germany, France and UK - financing Ukraine - say enough with beating of Putin - there is no peace deal in Ukraine

And why would US & EU-UK want a peace deal when Russia is getting bogged down & depleted by brave Ukrainians with a few hand-me down weapons?

Tell Ramaphosa to turn from Kiev and head to Sudan or DRC or Mozambique - or Somalia - or Mali - or so many Africa countries need peace deals.

There is nasty war in Sudan - and South Africa can be helpful there.

You watch too much cnn, BBC, fox..... Etc

You think Russia is losing?

Shma2023:

If you can't see facts from comments coming out of EAC, then you're undoubtedly a DUNDERHEAD. I can't be a SAn acknowledging Kenyan influence in EA for no reason. Egypt is influential in North because we know that; we don't need to go to nitty gritty OR seek Egyptian to tell us that!


Secondly, TZ is a lazy infested country ; I mean this. Tzn are too slow for regional integration plans. Just check the number of Kenyan expertise in TZ for instance. Or, check the dominant Kenyan firms in Tz and contrast with the vice?

Thirdly, Tz was colonized by Germans, Kenya was colonized by British. If you don't know the meaning of this, go and sale your head.

Fourthly; Kiswahili didn't originate from Tz. Going by this logic, Congo is the real deal, right? Deep history suggests so! Kenyan Swahili is more loved across the glove. People associate Swahili with kenya, despite the massive Tz Swahili speakers..

Fifthly, kenyans are more vocal.
95% of Tanzanians can't speak English. How do you expect TZ to influence anything? The hell! You need to be good in both language to even thing of becoming influential.

Sixth, your Economy last I checked was nearly half kenya's. If we make an average of economic dominance; from the early 90s to date; Tz has never been relevant. Kenya has had resilient growth despite climate change and terror attacks! Kenya is in the fore front to ensure peace in EAC! We have more refugee camps than any country around: Sudanese, Ethiopians, Somalia, Tanzanian beggers, Ugandans name them.

I can go on and on.... If your president gets sick, he will be rushed to Kenya before being taken abroad... Or just get treated in Kenya and released home. We have direct flights to Newyork and many places, your bigwigs (including the president) have to jet into Kenya before Catching a flight with KQ.

We have designed Dar! Kenyan architects are the pioneer of the most overhyped blue towers in Dar that has ballooned your Ego.


The list is endless. Tz is nothing.

THIS IS NOW MADNESS

Son, we were on influence, but I really can't get you.
You said..
Tanzanians are lazy, but the same lazy people feeds you. How is that possible? Tell me son.
And since we feed you, can't we just say we influence you on what to eat?

Integration. .
Tanzania under nyerere asked kenya to unite with Tanzania, but your fathers like kenyata refused. The idea died.
Now u see how rich TZ is,and how much u starve,you want integration. Yes,let's intergrate on economic matters,but a full blown federation? No,deal first with your tribalism and insecurity, otherwise ,we will drag ourselves down and be insecure like u and somalia.bastards.

China is so influential but they don't speak English. Even you Kenyans don't speak English.Your 300 plus nurses failed English test. Why are u thinking u speak English.You Kenyans are good at your vernacular tongues which are just those primitive,a cave man's languages which u can't use to teach science and deep stuff.

I still need a microscope to see any of your influence.

Tanzanian influence is easily seen in almost every corner of east Africa and Africa at large.

It's Tanzania which trained museveni and prepared him to be a leader in Uganda. Tanzanian intelligence state security (TISS) cooked a man. Today, a Ugandan president is a product of TISS.
CAn u Kenyans or other African big mouths achieve that?

Kagame,is also a product of TISS. He I now a president of Rwanda. When will kenya do such a big project?

Mozambican, president Nyusi, is also a product of TISS. A guy spent years in TZ being prepared by TISS. CAN kenya achieve that?

I can't mention,kabila of DRC. I can't talk about some Zambian dudes like chiluba.

Forget about politics.
Check our music,our movies,our peacefulness. You are all embracing everything about Tanzania. We influence you all

Remember about pipeline? You remember how Uganda shifted the project to Tanzania although the Tanzanian route is longer?
That is how influential we are.

What have u done? Starving isn't isn't a form of influence. Even now as we plan to host Afcon.,It's Tanzania which holds the whole thing.

Kazikazi:

THIS IS NOW MADNESS

Son, we were on influence, but I really can't get you.
You said..
Tanzanians are lazy, but the same lazy people feeds you. How is that possible? Tell me son.
And since we feed you, can't we just say we influence you on what to eat?

Integration. .
Tanzania under nyerere asked kenya to unite with Tanzania, but your fathers like kenyata refused. The idea died.
Now u see how rich TZ is,and how much u starve,you want integration. Yes,let's intergrate on economic matters,but a full blown federation? No,deal first with your tribalism and insecurity, otherwise ,we will drag ourselves down and be insecure like u and somalia.bastards.

China is so influential but they don't speak English. Even you Kenyans don't speak English.Your 300 plus nurses failed English test. Why are u thinking u speak English.You Kenyans are good at your vernacular tongues which are just those primitive,a cave man's languages which u can't use to teach science and deep stuff.

I still need a microscope to see any of your influence.

Tanzanian influence is easily seen in almost every corner of east Africa and Africa at large.

It's Tanzania which trained museveni and prepared him to be a leader in Uganda. Tanzanian intelligence state security (TISS) cooked a man. Today, a Ugandan president is a product of TISS.
CAn u Kenyans or other African big mouths achieve that?

Kagame,is also a product of TISS. He I now a president of Rwanda. When will kenya do such a big project?

Mozambican, president Nyusi, is also a product of TISS. A guy spent years in TZ being prepared by TISS. CAN kenya achieve that?

I can't mention,kabila of DRC. I can't talk about some Zambian dudes like chiluba.

Forget about politics.
Check our music,our movies,our peacefulness. You are all embracing everything about Tanzania. We influence you all

Remember about pipeline? You remember how Uganda shifted the project to Tanzania although the Tanzanian route is longer?
That is how influential we are.

What have u done? Starving isn't isn't a form of influence. Even now as we plan to host Afcon.,It's Tanzania which holds the whole thing.

Next time keep it brief..

Influence poverty in Central East Africa.

Lagos Nigeria

Mzal3ndo:

I think there needs to be extensive classes about economics in this forums so as to avoid this kind of gibberish. GDP is a very improper way of measuring an economy because it goes on the basis of everything produced in a country has to be sold and if its not being sold thus production is low. If you have a land and produce 10 bags of corn and sell five it is considered you produce 5 bags in terms of GDP and if it happens you increase production from 10 to 15 but still sell 5, it is considered no production increase has occurred. But if you still produce 10 and sell 7 instead of 5 it will be considered that production has increased.
Now since we have gotten that out of the way lets make a careful break down of the two economies. Kenya is more of a cooperate economy while Tanzania is more of a mommy and daddy shop kind of economy meaning most Kenyas on a large scale work for cooperation or someone else while most Tanzanians work for themselves and most of them in Agriculture. With vast areas of land most Tanzania make enough for themselves and sell the extra to meet monetary requirements (thats 70% of the working population are in agriculture). With a more cooperate form of doing business raw material pass though various industries to reach the final product and in all those stages in a monetary transfer happens that contributes to the gdp whereas in Tanzania its more as from the farm to the sell to consumer without major processing requirements.
So if you look at the GDP PPP pf the two nations (which is a bit more accurate in describing the economies) Tanzania is 2/3 of Kenyas economy which is not half by any metric and for a country that was still socialist till the early 2000s its fair in African standards. But although you have a larger economy in terms of monetary transactions Kenyas still pay way more in taxes and cost of living is higher thus its much better to be poor in Tanzania than in Kenya.

THANKS FOR PROVING NOTHING!
All these doesn't disaprove my assertion.

While you guys take pride in working hard Tanzania believe life in meant to be enjoyed so forgive us if we dont want to kill ourselves for money that when we die are not going to take anywhere.

Nothing dissaproved either!

P.S. Kenyan politician like this grandiose gestures, showing that they are working that is why they are pushing for rapid regional intergration but let me ask you this, If you add Somalia to the EAC and half of Somalia move to Kenya which is safer do you have the resources to accommodated and build all the infrastructure needed to support them or are your leaders going to go to Washington with their tails between their legs to beg for aid?

Irrelevant Question.

Kenya as colonized by the British, what does that have to do with development? The Germans lost the first world war and its colonial territories where transfered to the British and other allied powers (Most colonies didn't make profit except for France and Belgium Congo) so I do not see any relevance to the matter apart from the British had more investments in Kenya than Tanzania since TZ was a protectorate meaning they where just overseeing things in Tz and had no intentions for mayor investment especially after fighting a major war.

Yes. It means a lot. British being a dominant colonists and having the edge among other English speaking nations speak volumes. Look at Africa regional influencers: SA, Nigeria and Kenya. All of them are British colony.

Language, Second largest economy in the world speak Chinese, largest economy in Europe speak German, the entire North Africa speaks Arabic, you point being what exactly about language?

For you to have influence; your language must be amongst the most influential languages. English it is. Unless you're CHINA or GERMANY... Or just a country which has established itself way above any English speaking nation _ UAE for instance .

You asked how is Tanzania going to influence anything? Simple by having translators in international meetings just as the Chinese, Germans, Russians and the French do. You dont need to have the whole country speaking English only those whole represent us in International trade.

You can't influence by translation ; unless you're China or Germany who have made several strides Ahead. You see how hard it is for Tz to influence anything? Tz economy as you have rightly put it, is something not to go by. Tz infrastructure is miles behind Ethiopia, talkless of Kenya. Tz military can't say anything in EAC. Tz sports can't hold water in the international arena. How many international events has Tz hosted as compared to Kenya? That is influence.

Kazikazi:

THIS IS NOW MADNESS

Son, we were on influence, but I really can't get you.
You said..
Tanzanians are lazy, but the same lazy people feeds you. How is that possible? Tell me son.
And since we feed you, can't we just say we influence you on what to eat?

Integration. .
Tanzania under nyerere asked kenya to unite with Tanzania, but your fathers like kenyata refused. The idea died.
Now u see how rich TZ is,and how much u starve,you want integration. Yes,let's intergrate on economic matters,but a full blown federation? No,deal first with your tribalism and insecurity, otherwise ,we will drag ourselves down and be insecure like u and somalia.bastards.

China is so influential but they don't speak English. Even you Kenyans don't speak English.Your 300 plus nurses failed English test. Why are u thinking u speak English.You Kenyans are good at your vernacular tongues which are just those primitive,a cave man's languages which u can't use to teach science and deep stuff.

I still need a microscope to see any of your influence.

Tanzanian influence is easily seen in almost every corner of east Africa and Africa at large.

It's Tanzania which trained museveni and prepared him to be a leader in Uganda. Tanzanian intelligence state security (TISS) cooked a man. Today, a Ugandan president is a product of TISS.
CAn u Kenyans or other African big mouths achieve that?

Kagame,is also a product of TISS. He I now a president of Rwanda. When will kenya do such a big project?

Mozambican, president Nyusi, is also a product of TISS. A guy spent years in TZ being prepared by TISS. CAN kenya achieve that?

I can't mention,kabila of DRC. I can't talk about some Zambian dudes like chiluba.

Forget about politics.
Check our music,our movies,our peacefulness. You are all embracing everything about Tanzania. We influence you all

Remember about pipeline? You remember how Uganda shifted the project to Tanzania although the Tanzanian route is longer?
That is how influential we are.

What have u done? Starving isn't isn't a form of influence. Even now as we plan to host Afcon.,It's Tanzania which holds the whole thing.

Ooh boy, too much nothingness in several paragraphs. If you know you have nothing to say, be brief. Don't waste words.

Shma2023:



Ooh boy, too much nothingness in several paragraphs. If you know you have nothing to say, be brief. Don't waste words.

You have no influence on anybody

Actually, worldwide, no starving nation have become influential. No way.

Kazikazi:

You have no influence on anybody

Actually, worldwide, no starving nation have become influential. No way.

Starvation, feeding you and kibera is what has clogged your brain. Nothing special to get from this. Just a typical bongolala syndrome of inferiority complex.

Go and read English in Geopolitics of knowledge. Try and elevate your puny brain.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/242147291_English_in_the_geopolitics_of_knowledge

gallivant:


Next time keep it brief..

Ok son
Now am brief

Shma2023:

Starvation, feeding you and kibera is what has clogged your brain. Nothing special to get from this. Just a typical bongolala syndrome of inferiority complex.

Go and read English in Geopolitics of knowledge. Try and elevate your puny brain.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/242147291_English_in_the_geopolitics_of_knowledge

You failed to defend your point about Kenya's influence. You are now jumping out and trying to defend a European language's influence

You are just lost.Leave the brits to defend their culture and language.

Kazikazi:

Ok son
Now am brief

So you can't see the word DROUGHT? What if Tz with her lazy people was Kenya? The fact that we can handle harsh climate like drought and still stand out as the Economic and financial hub of East Africa should ought to have spelt sense to your Midget brain.

Kazikazi:
You failed to defend your point about Kenya's influence. You are now jumping out and trying to defend a European language's influence

You are just lost.Leave the brits to defend their culture and language.

Which point? I highlighted 7 points, which you countered with gibberish. At least your countryman mzalendo brought some concrete points ; though majority were still off.

Or do you need glasses to read?

Once u spread your hunger everywhere, that's when I will accept about your influence

Or if we Tanzanians we go to kibera to learn about building mud houses, that's when I will agree about your big influence

Or if we copy your matatu dirtiness culture...

The bongolala's pain has now gone berserk.
Kibera has to come in for rescue.

GeneralDae:

What are those big Ghanaian finance brands?

they said National brand. A country has a brand that project it soft power which other countries are attracted to

Stoplying:

You've taken your ignorance to a new level. Why are there so many brain dead guys like you on this website ?

😂🤣

Just40:
they said National brand. A country has a brand that project it soft power which other countries are attracted to

What then is this Ghanaian brand? That's what I'm asking.

Shma2023:

Which point? I highlighted 7 points, which you countered with gibberish. At least your countryman mzalendo brought some concrete points ; though majority were still off.

Or do you need glasses to read?

Which points Mr kibera?

Should I repeat?

U came up with 7 off points.
U were supposed to give us reasons to believe about your influence, but sadly your IQ couldn't allow u to make valid points.

You call us lazy while we busy feed u.
Is that us influencing u or you are influential to us?
I mean, I fill up your stomach,why should I not be influential to u?

You talk about kenya being a British colony and TZ a Germany. So where is the influence? Even Malawi was a British colony

Then u went ahead with bila bla of kenyan firms! But at the same time a Tanzanian is your biggest investor.At the same time you are begging us for dollars .

Shma2023:
The bongolala's pain has now gone berserk.
Kibera has to come in for rescue.

Tell us to have a kibera like neighbourhoods,then that's when I will accept your influence

You fail to do anything in Somalia but u think u can influence TZ?

AfriqueDuZuid:


Nah

Ghana has no influence even in west africa because that's Nigeria turf

Ghana was known for football so football is no longer it's strong point, it has nothing to stand on

Ghana has no influence yet it can pull enough countries from West Africa through it soft power?

Have you asked yourself why countries like Gambia, Liberia, Senegal, Mali, Burkina Faso, Ivory Coast, Benin and Togo as well as Nigeria itself will always follow Ghana path politically, diplomatically and economically?

The Ghanaian brand is very attractive... You should see Ghana leadership role in voting in ECOWAS and AU

Kazikazi:
Which points Mr kibera?

Should I repeat?

U came up with 7 off points.
U were supposed to give us reasons to believe about your influence, but sadly your IQ couldn't allow u to make valid points.

You call us lazy while we busy feed u.
Is that us influencing u or you are influential to us?
I mean, I fill up your stomach,why should I not be influential to u?

You talk about kenya being a British colony and TZ a Germany. So where is the influence? Even Malawi was a British colony

Then u went ahead with bila bla of kenyan firms! But at the same time a Tanzanian is your biggest investor.At the same time you are begging us for dollars .

Zombie, pee, and sleep. Your sound cognitive disability has woken up... DISASTER! Laziness inbuilted in you can't withstand basic intellectual conversation, So my humble advice to you, sleep! And pray that one day Tz could develop enough to influence Burundi. 😎

DDX369:
This guy is obviously trolling... ghana influence nigeria to accept lgbtq... lolz..West africa is nigeria's playground...north africa - egypt.. south - SA ... east - kenya... America has close relationship with ghana thats why they can go there to say their bullshit... they feel it will be easier to convince ghana then any other west african country

Not really as Ghana usually directs the path to which West Africa must take. Whether on the political front or diplomatic front

Even the economics front, Ghana play a larger role than Nigeria on policy direction.

Ghana was the hardest to target because the against block in this democratic process is so strong. But targeting Ghana gaves them the greatest advantage of spreading it across the entire sub region if they succeed because most West African countries take clues from Ghana and what happens here.

Political movement in Ivory Coast and Togo as well as Gambia and Senegal are usually groomed out of Ghana

GeneralDae:

That's cool but that doesn't signify much in terms of influence/relevance in Africa.
Ethiopia is home to the AU and was never colonised but how relevant is Ethiopia in Africa? Even in East Africa, many would consider Kenya more influential than Ethiopia.

Influence is mostly about Economy, Military, and spread of your culture.

Ghana is doing well but she is not even the most influential in English speaking West Africa. Ivorycoast is the most influential French speaking West African country and Nigeria is still the most influential English speaking West African country.

Kenya is the most influential East African Country just like South Africa in Southern Africa. Egypt is the top dog in North Africa.

Economic ranking, Military ranking, and Cultural spread in that order are the three topmost metrics to guage influence/relevance here.

Influence is also about politics, diplomacy and policies

Your understanding of influence is infantile

GeneralDae:

You are funny. GCB is a state owned Bank but I don't think it's worth 1 Billion dollars. It's market cap on the Ghanaian stock exchange (GSE) is just 848 million cedis (84 million dollars).

Engineers and planners, I can't find any information as to what it's worth.

Zoomlion is a Chinese company except you have another Zoomlion we don't know about.

Zoom lion is an indigenous Ghanaian company , probably you are surving the internet wrongly . They are into managing waste .


GCB probably worth more than two billion dollars ( you will need to go checked their market capitalization .

Engineer and planners are into mining of gold and diamond . It is owned by former president brother ( john mahama

Just40:
Ghana has no influence yet it can pull enough countries from West Africa through it soft power?

Have you asked yourself why countries like Gambia, Liberia, Senegal, Mali, Burkina Faso, Ivory Coast, Benin and Togo as well as Nigeria itself will always follow Ghana path politically, diplomatically and economically?

The Ghanaian brand is very attractive... You should see Ghana leadership role in voting in ECOWAS and AU

Give present day examples of this. Not example of 1960.

Just40:
Influence is also about politics, diplomacy and policies

Your understanding of influence is infantile

He is looking into the population i guess . Ghana is quite small but it has influence africa politics from independence.

vaxx:
Zoom lion is an indigenous Ghanaian company , probably you are surving the internet wrongly . They are into managing waste .


GCB probably worth more than two billion dollars ( you will need to go checked their market capitalization .

Engineer and planners are into mining of gold and diamond . It is owned by former president brother ( john mahama

You got jokes. As at June 16 2023, the market cap of GCB was 848 million cedis.

I know Engineer and Planners is owned by mahama. I saw it on their Website. Give me the link that states how much it's worth.

GeneralDae:

You got jokes. As at June 16 2023, the market cap of GCB was 848 million cedis.

I know Engineer and Planners is owned by mahama. I saw it on their Website. Give me the link that states how much it's worth.

engineer and planners is not owned by mahama , it is owned by mahama brother . Spot the difference . They are into mining , you should know such industry are capital intensive .

Yes GCB is worth more than 2 billion dollar capitalization . I will send you a link to read if you are willing

vaxx:
engineer and planners is not owned by mahama , it is owned by mahama brother . Spot the difference . They are into mining , you should know such industry are capital intensive .

Yes GCB is worth more than 2 billion dollar capitalization . I will send you a link to read if you are willing

Mahama/Mahama's brother, kini big deal?

Send me the link to read all you've claimed.

GeneralDae:

What then is this Ghanaian brand? That's what I'm asking.

A fellow Nigerian from your clan once describe it to you in the previous forum.

He ones told you how the Ghanaians he met in school from Japan to Korea and Germany were treated superbly different from all other Africans and kept wondering how Ghana managed to archive such soft power.

There's a reason why Rawlings was worshipped across west Africa as a bad influence by all military leaders across the subregion. Just like how our political movement during pre-independence modelled so many others across the sub region. That's the same way our democratic dispensation has influenced a lot strong shift in the political dispensation of the sub region through policies intervention and our effective civil society. I can go on to name countries and how Ghana intervenes

vaxx:
He is looking into the population i guess . Ghana is quite small but it has influence africa politics from independence.

That's what a lot of them don't know.

If they start reading wide, they'll understand