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Just40:
A fellow Nigerian from your clan ones describe it to you in the previous forum.

He ones told you how the Ghanaians he met in school from Japan to Korea and Germany were treated superbly different from all other Africans and kept wondering how Ghana managed to archive such soft power.

There's a reason why Rawlings was worshipped across west Africa as a bad influence by all military leaders across the subregion. Just like how our political movement during pre-independence modelled so many others across the sub region. That's the same way our democratic dispensation has influenced a lot strong shift in the political dispensation of the sub region through policies intervention and our effective civil society. I can go on to name countries and how Ghana intervenes

This Ghanaian influence and soft power you speak so orgasmically about is news to my ears but I'll likely stop here.

GeneralDae:
Give present day examples of this. Not example of 1960.

I'm even speaking in the present dispensation.

Why do you think Mali and Burkina Faso sort for Rawlings personal intervention.

Just40:
I'm even speaking in the present dispensation.

Why do you think Mali and Burkina Faso sort for Rawlings personal intervention.

Countries seek for interventions all the time. Even Benin Republic once sort for Rwanda's intervention on their national security.

GeneralDae:
Mahama/Mahama's brother, kini big deal?

Send me the link to read all you've claimed.

it is a serious big deal because mahama is a politician and the other one is a business man.

This is a non bias link . As at January this year , they are worth more than 1.4 billion dollars and you know cedis has gain value for the past one month now

GeneralDae:
This Ghanaian influence and soft power you speak so orgasmically about is news to my ears but I'll likely stop here.

Definitely it will be news to your ears but if you read wide, you'll find out.

Why do you think most of the policy directions and the cross border development on the economic front has always come from Ghana?

vaxx:
it is a serious big deal because mahama is a politician and the other one is a business man.

This is anon bias link

Asset is different from market cap. For instance, total Bank assets in Nigeria is over 70 trillion naira (140 Billion dollars) and still increasing but the highest market cap of any Bank in Nigeria is that of Zenith Bank at about 1.7 Billion dollars (or 1 trillion naira).

Shma2023:
Zombie, pee, and sleep. Your sound cognitive disability has woken up... DISASTER! Laziness inbuilted in you can't withstand basic intellectual conversation, So my humble advice to you, sleep! And pray that one day Tz could develop enough to influence Burundi. 😎

Son,learn to feed yourselves before u jump on big stuff.Stop talking about influence, learn the basics of having a stable nation...
Grow food.
End tribalism
Fight those insecurities of bandits and terrorism

GeneralDae:
Countries seek for interventions all the time. Even Benin Republic once sort for Rwanda's intervention on their national security.

if that's how you seek to devalue the conversation.

Have you ever asked yourself why countries like Gambia and Guinea Bissau will always stick to Ghana?

GeneralDae:
Countries seek for interventions all the time. Even Benin Republic once sort for Rwanda's intervention on their national security.

You seek for a well developed intervention . Not just seeking from any country but seeking from country that has perfected it well.

Just40:
if that's how you seek to devalue the conversation.

Have you ever asked yourself why countries like Gambia and Guinea Bissau will always stick to Ghana?

How do they always stick to Ghana?

Just40:
Definitely it will be news to your ears but if you read wide, you'll find out.

Why do you think most of the policy directions and the cross boarder development on the economic front has always come from Ghana?

Give me examples of what you speak about. What policies are coming from Ghana?

GeneralDae:
How do they always stick to Ghana?

You should check how they vote in ECOWAS and you'll understand.

You should also find out why they still have hopes of being one country with Ghana and why Gambia has modelled it judiciary and jurisdiction after Ghana's

Russia is not winning. Ukraine is not winning. They are going to engage in long drawn protracted battle. The winner is defintely NATO. They are using Ukraine free blood to beat Russia. Just like Afgan Mujahideen finished USSR with CIA financing them.

The winners eventually will be US, EU and NATO. Followed by Ukriane who will get to join EU and NATO - economic bandwagon and out of Russia armpit.

Russia will be consumed by this long draw war plus sanctions and is the ultimate loser.

Russia-Ukraine been at it since 2014 - albeit Russian proxies fighting Ukraine army - in the same Donbas, Luhask and Crimea - and I see another decade of the same mess - moving back and forth in the same region - as both armies look evenly matched - hardly any movement for the last one year - until they are dog and war tired.

AfriqueDuZuid:
You watch too much cnn, BBC, fox..... Etc

You think Russia is losing?

GeneralDae:
Give me examples of what you speak about. What policies are coming from Ghana?

West African Gas pipeline, cross border trade, cross border movement and even the common currency drive

GeneralDae:
Asset is different from market cap. For instance, total Bank assets in Nigeria is over 70 trillion naira (140 Billion dollars) and still increasing but the highest market cap of any Bank in Nigeria is that of Zenith Bank at about 1.7 Billion dollars (or 1 trillion naira).

it depends , it sometime computed as total assets minus total liabilities . So you will see in some organization , market cap can be more than total value of the shares if the shares is trading well

Just40:
You should check how they vote in ECOWAS and you'll understand.

You should also find out why they still have hopes of being one country with Ghana and why Gambia has modelled it judiciary and jurisdiction after Ghana's

So when they vote in ECOWAS, what evidence do you have it's Ghana they are following and not Capeverde for instance?

Is Ghana's judiciary model or Jurisdiction unique? Why do you feel they modelled it after Ghana and not UK their forner colonial masters?

Mkenya2019:
Russia is not winning. Ukraine is not winning. They are going to engage in long drawn protracted battle. The winner is defintely NATO. They are using Ukraine free blood to beat Russia. Just like Afgan Mujahideen finished USSR with CIA financing them.

The winners eventually will be US, EU and NATO. Followed by Ukriane who will get to join EU and NATO - economic bandwagon and out of Russia armpit.

Russia will be consumed by this long draw war and is the ultimate loser.

So the German B and D are lying?


The Russians have come out the Winner in this conflict on the economic front and the military front.

NATO has come out the worse loser by effectively being demilitarized of ammunition, hence each NATO member is currently Ill prepared for any conflict.

US weapons makers and their shareholders have come out one of the biggest winners.

vaxx:
it depends , it sometime computed as total assets minus total liabilities . So you will see in some organization , market cap can be more than total value of the shares if the shares is trading well

The market cap of GCB (one of Ghana's biggest banks) is 848 million cedis (84 million dollars). So what are you arguing again?

NATO has not even expended a single soldier - and have essentially given Ukraine old rickety hand-me down tools - all measured to be just enough to wear down Russia and not make Russia so desperate to throw Nuclear. In Kenya we call it Mitumba. Ghana I hear there is secondhand market too for used clothes.

US dollar might lose eventually some % but they will likely knock out Russia from being any threat to US and its foreign interest - and now solely focus on China.

Of course most of you idiots think US and NATO have ratchet up arms production. Nope. Ukraine are being given downgraded useless weapons - as everyone has seen what a joke Russia is with world war II weapons and vodka drunken soldiers.

Ukraine eventually will lose small part of it's territory as concession to Russian-speaking Ukraine - but will become NATO and EU.

I dont see how Russia will win this - if they are doing it for their Russian speaking kin - that is all they will get.

Just40:
So the German B and D are lying?


The Russians have come out the Winner in this conflict on the economic front and the military front.

NATO has come out the worse loser by effectively being demilitarized of ammunition, hence each NATO member is currently Ill prepared for any conflict.

US weapons makers and their shareholders have come out one of the biggest winners.

GeneralDae:
So when they vote in ECOWAS, what evidence do you have it's Ghana they are following and not Capeverde for instance?

Is Ghana's judiciary model or Jurisdiction unique? Why do you feel they modelled it after Ghana and not UK their forner colonial masters?

how do you think a country influence another to vote with it on issues tabled by them (politically and diplomatically)?

Yes, it's quite unique education wise and the legal framework

Just40:
how do you think a country influence another to vote with it on issues tabled by them (politically and diplomatically)?

Yes, it's quite unique education wise and the legal framework

Lol. Ghanaians on this platform are very entertaining .

Mkenya2019:
NATO has not even expended a single soldier - and have essentially given Ukraine old rickety hand-me down tools - all measured to be just enough to wear down Russia and not make Russia so desperate to throw Nuclear. In Kenya we call it Mitumba. Ghana I hear there is secondhand market too for used clothes.

US dollar might lose eventually some % but they will likely knock out Russia from being any threat to US and its foreign interest - and now solely focus on China.

Of course most of you idiots think US and NATO have ratchet up arms production. Nope. Ukraine are being given downgraded useless weapons - as everyone has seen what a joke Russia is with world war II weapons and vodka drunken soldiers.

Ukraine eventually will lose small part of it's territory as concession to Russian-speaking Ukraine - but will become NATO and EU.

I dont see how Russia will win this - if they are doing it for their Russian speaking kin - that is all they will get.

NATO does not need to send soldiers even though they are doing so, to run out of weapons.
They've simply run out of bullets and artillery in their effort to bleed Russia dry of ammunition, they ended up bleeding themselves dry.

Meanwhile Russia can keep this going for another 15 to 20 years before running our of it Soviet stockpile.

The US dollar lost 10% of global trade just by Russia's single intervention in one year and now doing 44% or 34% of global trade.
Before they'll be able to knock Russia out, Russia would knock them out when all that dollars start returning to the US.

You're just and idiot... NATO have rachet up production of weapons and yet their combine production can't meet those of Russia. They destroyed their industrial base and are now trying to destroy those of Germany.

Ukraine are being given the best of NATO including the best of intelligence.


The Russians have won already economically and militarily... Now NATO wants to freeze the conflict but the Russians will never trust them again

You're wrong.
GDP measures both marketed or sold goods and own production.
The own produced and consumed - GDP measures albeit in approximated means.

Let me give you a good example.
Milk production in kenya.

Kenya produces 6B litres of milk annually.
What is marketed and processed formally is roughly a billion or less.
The other are either drank by owners or sold informally to neighborhoods.
To calculate the Maasai cow that was milked in a year - GDP uses guestimates - or use any patch data they can get.
Livestock surveys - say we know from Census Kenya has 10M dairy cows - about 2 million are high grade - 8 million are traditional.
Most of 2 million high grade or commercial breeds will end up formally....producing 1B litres..measured and tracked through dairies companies.

The useless 8 million will produce 5B litres.
So how do we estimate the production - we can randomly sample the cows or ask the owners - they will likely say they milk 2 or 5 litres a day - compared to 20 litres for high grade cows.
Give and take dry cows - you estimate the milk produced.

Then you go to nearest markets and ask - the prices of milk - you average out.

Now you can come and say kenya produces 6 billion litres times half a dollar - bringing total GDP from Milk to 3B.

Mzal3ndo:
I think there needs to be extensive classes about economics in this forums so as to avoid this kind of gibberish. GDP is a very improper way of measuring an economy because it goes on the basis of everything produced in a country has to be sold and if its not being sold thus production is low. If you have a land and produce 10 bags of corn and sell five it is considered you produce 5 bags in terms of GDP and if it happens you increase production from 10 to 15 but still sell 5, it is considered no production increase has occurred. But if you still produce 10 and sell 7 instead of 5 it will be considered that production has increased.
Now since we have gotten that out of the way lets make a careful break down of the two economies. Kenya is more of a cooperate economy while Tanzania is more of a mommy and daddy shop kind of economy meaning most Kenyas on a large scale work for cooperation or someone else while most Tanzanians work for themselves and most of them in Agriculture. With vast areas of land most Tanzania make enough for themselves and sell the extra to meet monetary requirements (thats 70% of the working population are in agriculture). With a more cooperate form of doing business raw material pass though various industries to reach the final product and in all those stages in a monetary transfer happens that contributes to the gdp whereas in Tanzania its more as from the farm to the sell to consumer without major processing requirements.
So if you look at the GDP PPP pf the two nations (which is a bit more accurate in describing the economies) Tanzania is 2/3 of Kenyas economy which is not half by any metric and for a country that was still socialist till the early 2000s its fair in African standards. But although you have a larger economy in terms of monetary transactions Kenyas still pay way more in taxes and cost of living is higher thus its much better to be poor in Tanzania than in Kenya.
While you guys take pride in working hard Tanzania believe life in meant to be enjoyed so forgive us if we dont want to kill ourselves for money that when we die are not going to take anywhere.
P.S. Kenyan politician like this grandiose gestures, showing that they are working that is why they are pushing for rapid regional intergration but let me ask you this, If you add Somalia to the EAC and half of Somalia move to Kenya which is safer do you have the resources to accommodated and build all the infrastructure needed to support them or are your leaders going to go to Washington with their tails between their legs to beg for aid?

Kenya as colonized by the British, what does that have to do with development? The Germans lost the first world war and its colonial territories where transfered to the British and other allied powers (Most colonies didn't make profit except for France and Belgium Congo) so I do not see any relevance to the matter apart from the British had more investments in Kenya than Tanzania since TZ was a protectorate meaning they where just overseeing things in Tz and had no intentions for mayor investment especially after fighting a major war.

Language, Second largest economy in the world speak Chinese, largest economy in Europe speak German, the entire North Africa speaks Arabic, you point being what exactly about language?

You asked how is Tanzania going to influence anything? Simple by having translators in international meetings just as the Chinese, Germans, Russians and the French do. You dont need to have the whole country speaking English only those whole represent us in International trade.

GeneralDae:
The market cap of GCB (one of Ghana's biggest bank) is 848 million cedis (84 million dollars). So what are you arguing again?

you are talking stock market , I am telling you about general capital assets of the bank .

vaxx:
you are talking stock market , I am telling you about general capital assets of the bank .

1.6 Billion dollars general capital assets is too small to be anything influential in Africa.

Now take you medicine. This beyond stupid. Insane.

Just40:
NATO does not need to send soldiers even though they are doing so, to run out of weapons.
They've simply run out of bullets and artillery in their effort to bleed Russia dry of ammunition, they ended up bleeding themselves dry.

Meanwhile Russia can keep this going for another 15 to 20 years before running our of it Soviet stockpile.

The US dollar lost 10% of global trade just by Russia's single intervention in one year and now doing 44% or 34% of global trade.
Before they'll be able to knock Russia out, Russia would knock them out when all that dollars start returning to the US.

You're just and idiot... NATO have rachet up production of weapons and yet their combine production can't meet those of Russia. They destroyed their industrial base and are now trying to destroy those of Germany.

Ukraine are being given the best of NATO including the best of intelligence.


The Russians have won already economically and militarily... Now NATO wants to freeze the conflict but the Russians will never trust them again

rvp2018:
Now take you medicine. This beyond stupid. Insane.

Now that you can't dispute facts , you've started screaming like the madman you are.
Russia is a destroyer of empires for a reason. Any country will be wise to let a sleeping Bear, sleep

Poland is busy preventing the South African delegation from going about their duty because they are heavily invested in making money from that conflict..

Ukraine getting wrecked is to their benefit, they gets cheap Ukrainian grain they can then sell to Europe at exorbitant prices and when Ukraine becomes a failed state, they can easily get back Western Ukraine.

Poland is busy on a path of reparation from Germany and since the Ukrainians fought alongside the Germans, they will be in their right

GeneralDae:
Lol. Ghanaians on this platform are very entertaining .

😂🤣

Actual intellectual convos can be entertaining

GeneralDae:
Lol. Ghanaians on this platform are very entertaining .

I just dey laugh since. Even those who are not West Africans here admitted seeing Nigeria as the dominant force in West Africa. It's not open to debate yesterday, today and tomorrow. But the argument is entertaining sha.

Obaaderemi2:
I just dey laugh since. Even those who are not West Africans here admitted seeing Nigeria as the dominant force in West Africa. It's not open to debate yesterday, today and tomorrow. But the argument is entertaining sha.

well most of them don't know much about west Africa

GeneralDae:
1.6 Billion dollars general capital assets is too small to be anything influential in Africa.

you aren't making sense man, having influence is not about highest capital market . Why are you comparing Orange's with banana. If there is anything Nigeria has over Ghana . It will be population only and that affect the size of his market and not because the former is more successful or more influential than the later , I can argue it is even the other way round .

vaxx:
you aren't making sense man, having influence is not about highest capital market . Why are you comparing Orange's with banana. If there is anything Nigeria has over Ghana . It will be population only and that affect the size of his market and not because the former is more successful or more influential than the later , I can argue it is even the other way round .

You said Ghana is influential because it has Finance Brands. That was how we got into this argument.

You then went on to list some of those Finance brands that makes Ghana influential. GCB, Engineering and Planning, Zoom lion are some of them according to you and you implied they are worth over 1 Billion dollars which is why they are top financial brands making Ghana influential in Africa.

You brought this argument up, not me.