₦airaland Forum

LOVEALAIGBO:
Dude, hardly any geo-political entity in Africa today existed in its present form prior to the coming of the European colonialists! What you had prior were mainly political/economic/cultural interactions between and amongst clans, ethnicities and even empires contiguous and close to each other, and this is what obtained in the areas formerly known as Eastern and Midwestern Regions…even predating colonialism and slave trade.

Regarding the topic: Tinubu and his minions (both on ground and the e-thugs) have realised their arrogant emilokan stance can only take them so far, and if they’re to survive the cut-throat world of Nigerian ethno-religious inspired politics and governance, that they’d need (gullible) allies in the south as well when facing the unpredictable muslim core north and the political chicanery! The emilokans have ruled out the south-east, so they’re looking towards the south-south…and for them to succeed, they need to break whatever bond exists between the south-east and south-south by the divide-and-rule tactics of trying to cause disaffection and mistrust between the two regions even as they throw a few crumbs towards some south-south political and militant elite to butter them up and try to gain their servitude!

Lol!

Thank you for capturing it more succinctly.

These guys don’t know we always see their game from a million miles away.

Penguin2:
Excuse me!

You mean Edo and some parts of Delta is bigger than Rivers, Akwa Ibom, Cross River, Bayelsa and some parts of Delta?

By what metrics sir? Landmass or population?

Dude, you seem to not be aware that the entirety of Delta-state was part of the Midwest, not just some parts of it.

Stoplying:
Can you shut up ?
Speak for your own people and not for my Midwest people. Thank you.

For the records, we left the western region because of fanatical Yoruba who were trying to marginalise everybody whom the Yoruba didn't identify as Yoruba (that included all of the Midwest).
Also, Lagos was never part of the western region.

“You left because fanatical Yorubas were marginalizing non-Yorubas”…

Can you define subjugation for us since you disagreed with me that the Western Region wasn’t subjugating the people of Midwest?

Penguin2:
“You left because fanatical Yorubas were marginalizing non-Yorubas”…

Can you define subjugation for us since you disagreed with me that the Western Region wasn’t subjugating the people of Midwest?

"Trying to marginalize..." that is the difference.
We are not victims, we don't get marginalized, when the yorubas who had the favour of the British tried to marginalize us, we simply created our own region. The only unfortunate thing is that some of our ancestral lands are still in the southwest.

I'm igbo but I'm reporting this particular comment because its against the law of Nairaland.

Ezeama400:
Some of them think there is mighty Chinese wall demarkettimg SS/SE not knowing that looking at the map, SE is nearly inside SS..

The reason for creating SS is to give non Igbos in the region voice at the National politics and Ekwueme made that possible..

Yorubas have been begging for our alliance since time immemorial yet they are not getting it..

Their madness is always at the peak when election is around the corner like they did previously, yet despite seeing the outcome they won't stop creating what doesn't exist..

Inasmuch as there are few disgruntled elements in SS, but even if election is conducted million of times, those disgruntled elements always vote in the same line with SE Igbos.. They will always consider a SE politician ahead of SW politician ..

Tinubu rodents should know that it's easier to divide NE and NW votes (If it's possible) than dividing SS and SE voting pattern during election..

Modified: One clown below me is shouting Akpabio...Even SE Supported Akpabio more than SS senators.. Most SS senators voted for Yari..

Hate has destroyed these people.. They don't even know how NASS elected their principal officers

Penguin2:
The Ohaneze you are quoting is the stupid Ohaneze that has always issued statements supporting Tinubu, isn’t it? That’s Tinubu’s Ohaneze that has nothing to do with Ohaneze Ndigbo Worldwide.

Meanwhile, Senator Jimoh Ibrahim from Ondo State was the Director General of Yari Campaign, should we take it to mean therefore that the Southwest did not support Akpabio??

The one you call the fake Ohaneze fully supported Akpabio

So you think it was not Tinubu that helped Akpabio to win ?

Penguin2:
I think you need to go back to school sir.

Even if it’s night school.

But before then, which election was held in 2010?

And where did your Ijaw people vote in 1999, 2003 and 2007?

Again which year did Igbos vote APGA at the center that decided to “teach them a lesson”?

And lastly, are Ijaws the only inhabitants of Southsouth? What about the Ikwerres? The Etches? Annang, Efik, Ibibio, etc? What about them sir?

if you are smart, you will quickly called to mind that I meant 2011 election.

1999, 2003. and 2007 we voted for PDP...but you Igbos voted for APGA.......but since no other person supported the apga party owned by igbos, it became failed and crashed..not even your ikwere, anioma, etche brothers that speaks similar to Igbos support that party..

Ijaws are not the only ones in ss but you mentioned ss and not particular groups, that's why I came to make things straight.....we shouldn't twist event or things.....Izon mean truth and the truth part we shall forever stand on......

even though, history has been removed from school, one can still get the histories in library.

Leave that IDP camp refugee you are in, then come back home and go to library, please...I nor fit argue blindly

Jogs1900:
The guy knows nothing about history.
Historically, Delta and Edo states were under western region administered from ibadan.
If igbos are dragging SS, Yorubas too have the right to drag SS too.

what do you expect from ignorant drug dealers leaving in IDP camps abroad? They thought ss was from Eastern region alone...
yorubas even have upper hand in dragging ss than them...

Tukpa8:
what do you expect from ignorant drug dealers leaving in IDP camps abroad? They thought ss was from Eastern region alone...
yorubas even have upper hand in dragging ss than them...

I'm trying to understand Igbo and yoruba madness, do you guys understand that we (southsouth) are human beings and not yours to drag ?

Penguin2:
Take a look at the map below.

It’s the map of Lesotho 🇱🇸 enveloped by South Africa.

Has Lesotho died?

And when I talked about River, I wasn’t telling you that seaport will be built on the River. I was telling you about the Southeast’s route to the sea against your narrative of Southeast being landlocked.

I know it’s painful for you to hear.

I think it is you who is having pain to hear this.
Since you want to be like Lesotho, it is all good, na ina go suffer am


But you should know that you automatically become an immigrant in Nigeria.

Penguin2:
So you think because Southwest supported Akpabio to become Senate President will make Niger Deltans forget how you carried mock coffins of Jonathan and called him goat, buffoon and clueless until he was booted out from power?

Between President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria and ordinary Senate President which one is more valuable and useful?

are you speaking on behalf of we Ijaws or you are also Ijaw? because I am surprised at you saying we Ijaws see yorubas as enemies....
Which Ijaw group have came out to say that yorubas are their enemies? We Ijaws don't hold enemity just because of useless politics.

If we are to pick between Igbos and Yorubas,,we will picked Yorubas...this doesn't mean we hate the igbos but respect..... We Ijaws love who respect our tribe and not who love us but does not respect us...

We don't want criminal minded people who will disrespect us by tomorrow saying we are superior to them..taar...God forbid such people.

Wa Yoruba abu tari igbo deghin emi..final.

We have stayed and leave with the Yorubas for ages.....we shar

Penguin2:
Take a look at the map below.

It’s the map of Lesotho 🇱🇸 enveloped by South Africa.

Has Lesotho died?

And when I talked about River, I wasn’t telling you that seaport will be built on the River. I was telling you about the Southeast’s route to the sea against your narrative of Southeast being landlocked.

I know it’s painful for you to hear.

Have you checked the list of the poorest African countries, Lesotho is among them

Stoplying:
I'm trying to understand Igbo and yoruba madness, do you guys understand that we (southsouth) are human beings and not yours to drag ?

I know but understand my point....e Ijaw tobo...
Yorubas are closer to we Ijaws than igbos..
Itshekiris are yorubas that you cannot differentiate from Egbema and Gbaramatu Ijaws in warri north LGA and Warri south west LGA...
Ilajes are Yorubas that you cannot differentiate from Arogbo and Gbaraun Ijaws in Ondo state.....Apoi is third Ijaw kingdom in Ondo state,,,but because of the too closed relationship with the Yorubas and the Ijaws, Apoi clan of Ijaw was overtaken by Yoruba cultur..as you all can see that omoyele Sowore who is from Apoi clan of Ijaw look like a Yoruba man....this tell you how closed the Yorubas and the Ijaws are.....the Ijaws were the largest ethnicity in old western region behind the Yorubas..

Stoplying:
"Trying to marginalize..." that is the difference.
We are not victims, we don't get marginalize, when the yorubas who had the favour of the British tried to marginalize us, we simply created our own region. The only unfortunate thing is that some of our ancestral lands are still in the southwest.

Some of your ancestral lands?? It seems you're on Colos?

BentizilL:
Some of your ancestral lands?? It seems you're on Colos?

Precolonial map of Africa

Penguin2:
Very infinitesimal minority.

The only difference is that a lousy character like Wike can afford to pay Channels Television to put camera on his face while he spills gibberish for one hour.

But will that change anything? Never!

You call wike a lousy character? Have you asked an Ikwerre person in Real life what he thinks about the whole Biafra thing, what you don't understand is that wike is loved in the Riverine area in Rivers because of his stance on Biafra and IPOB, unfortunately for you and your people his views are the views of the majority of people in his state.

YorubaNinja:
BIA-FURO!

Run Abdul run

Ragmerr:
You call wike a lousy character? Have you asked an Ikwerre person in Real life what he thinks about the whole Biafra thing, what you don't understand is that wike is loved in the Riverine area in Rivers because of his stance on Biafra and IPOB, unfortunately for you and your people his views are the views of the majority of people in his state.

The voting pattern of his state in the last election doesn’t suggest a people that are happy with Wike. Does it?

Omoawoke:
Have you checked the list of the poorest African countries, Lesotho is among them

Your argument was that there’s no country encircled by another country and I just showed you Lesotho to counter your fallacious claim.

Now you have shifted the goalpost to that Lesotho is one of the poorest countries in Africa.

But let me ask you… If Lesotho is one of the poorest countries in Africa are you therefore suggesting that Biafra would be one of the poorest countries in Africa if becomes a country? Isn’t that fallacious?

But that aside, your claim of Lesotho being one of the poorest countries in Africa is equally false.

Below is the the top 10 poorest countries in Africa and Lesotho is not there. Where did you see your own statistics?

Tukpa8:
if you are smart, you will quickly called to mind that I meant 2011 election.

1999, 2003. and 2007 we voted for PDP...but you Igbos voted for APGA.......but since no other person supported the apga party owned by igbos, it became failed and crashed..not even your ikwere, anioma, etche brothers that speaks similar to Igbos support that party..

Ijaws are not the only ones in ss but you mentioned ss and not particular groups, that's why I came to make things straight.....we shouldn't twist event or things.....Izon mean truth and the truth part we shall forever stand on......

even though, history has been removed from school, one can still get the histories in library.

Leave that IDP camp refugee you are in, then come back home and go to library, please...I nor fit argue blindly

APGA was formed in 2002 before the 2003 elections.

How did Igbos come to vote for APGA in 1999?

Again, who was APGA presidential candidate in 2007?

Penguin2:
Your argument was that there’s no country encircled by another country and I just showed you Lesotho to counter your fallacious claim.

Now you have shifted the goalpost to that Lesotho is one of the poorest countries in Africa.

But let me ask you… If Lesotho is one of the poorest countries in Africa are you therefore suggesting that Biafra would be one of the poorest countries in Africa if becomes a country? Isn’t that fallacious?

But that aside, your claim of Lesotho being one of the poorest countries in Africa is equally false.

Below is the the top 10 poorest countries in Africa and Lesotho is not there. Where did you see your own statistics?

Do you know you don’t have sense. No be insult.

The countries you listed as top 10 poorest, most of them are landlocked. And yes, Lesotho is among the poorest countries in Africa. They are economically and politically dependent on South Africa.
South Africa can wake up tomorrow and decide to cut off Lesotho from the world.
I am happy you are comparing your southeast to countries like Lesotho and Chad

seunmsg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05d287NGqp8

You don’t have to lie to yourself to sound woke. If you have a problem with Asari, face him like a man and stop trying to drag Yorubas into what is non of our business. There are historical accounts of Binis, Itshekiris and Ijaws raiding Igbo villages and capturing them as slaves. Above is a YouTube link from 2021 where Reno Omokri said the same thing. Did Yoruba also commission Reno to say same thing in 2021?

History is history. It’s a stubborn past occurrence that can never be changed. It is what it is. Accept your history and stop spewing nonsense around.

You and your paymasters must be pained that we refused to grant Asari “Pig” Dokubo the audience he so much craves from us which has defeated whatever agenda you were trying to set with him.

Penguin2:
The voting pattern of his state in the last election doesn’t suggest a people that are happy with Wike. Does it?

I'm not talking about voting pattern, if we're being truthful, Nigerians from SS, SE, NC, and NW voted for obi. I'm alluding to the igbos trying to force Rivers people into their Biafran thing, you are Igbo and you probably hate wike because he doesn't do things that pleases your people that's why call him a lousy character, unfortunately for you his people are in support of the actions he took against the agitators in Obigbo, notwithstanding what played out during the election, he is still loved and respected by his people but hated by the igbos, come to Rivers and ask questions.

Penguin2:
APGA was formed in 2002 before the 2003 elections.

How did Igbos come to vote for APGA in 1999?

Again, who was APGA presidential candidate in 2007?

see my brother, let's called a spade a spade...just 1999 election votes cannot draw a conclusion of ss had same voting pattern with SE..no it is a concoction of history and twisting of events.......ok what about the SW that have been having same consistent voting pattern with SS since 1999 to 2011?
have in mind that, Yorubas massively voted for GEJ in 2011 election..

Since 1999 when the country return to democratic, PDP has been a dominant party for the southern people including SW,SS and SE... infact SE had their own called APGA.

Jogs1900:
Exactly.
If they are serious, they will advocate for every region to stand alone.
It's irritating always lumping SE with the SS.
I don't know when SS made the SE their spokesperson in Nigeria affairs.

that hight of disrespect to SS is the reason we will continue to prefer the Yorubas.... apart from disrespect,,,they are also too ingenue...

tundein18:
The bond that is always pushed by SE people and not SS. interesting. Why can't you cowardly SE people hate the SW alone instead of always hiding behind SS?

you should know it....I am Ijaw,,,and there has never been a time we said or wished SS to bond with SE.. so know that anyone you with SS/SE write up is igbo.... We have disgraced them all the time but they are so shameless.....but we will continue to distance ourselves from them

seunmsg:
Penguin2, why are you Igbos against the unity between South west and south south? Are we not the same southerners again? What is wrong in south west and south south working together over common interest and overall benefit of the south and Nigeria? Is there a law that says south west and south south must not collaborate?

Igbos have made it clear they don’t want to work with the south west on any issue. What then is wrong if we decide to work with our south south brothers? Why can’t you mind your business and leave the south west out of your wailing mouth? Why the obsession with the south west?

Finally, let me correct the impression that the SE and SS belong to the old eastern region. That’s a lie you people always tell to yourself. Edo and about 80% of the current Delta state were never at any time a part of the old eastern region. They were part of the western region before the Midwestern region was formed. Traditionally, Edo and Delta always vote alongside the south west as we are brother’s geographically and ethnically. In fact. Ambrose Ali of Awolowo’s UPN was elected the first Governor of Old Bendel state (Edo and Delta). In 1993, Edo and Delta voted overwhelmingly for MKO while the Igbos voted for Bashir Tofa. So, it is even politically incorrect to claim that the SS and SE always vote along the same line. Even in the last election, the SE gave over 90% of their votes to LP while LP barely got 40% in SS. So, what’s your point again?

I am Ijaw,,,, please see this helpless begging fools claims as nothing......you all know that there is no way sE can be our spokes person...... We decide for ourselves....so we decide that we love SW and so must be SW/SS.... anyone who doesn't like our stand should go and die...
Ijaws were the largest ethnicity in old western region behind the Yorubas,,,,so the term Yoruba/Ijaw is not bad....or SW/SS is not bad...

Raf4:
Must you yigbos embarrass yourselves with all these unnecessary naked lies just to obtain favour from SS?

In 1979 elections, Bendel state (now Edo and Delta states - SS) voted Awolowo.
Cross River (now Cross River and Akwa-Ibom - SS) voted Shagari, while only Rivers State joined SE to vote Azikiwe. Attachee by force. Shame!!!

rivers state voted shagari,,, please don't tell half history..

You can check the result here

Omoawoke:
They should leave us alone abeg

They want to divide south west and south south. E no fit work

yes....SW/SS are one people....were all from old western region..

Penguin2:
You still haven’t answered my question of the election that took place in 2010 and who your Ijaw people voted in 1999, 2003 and 2007.

tranquill the answer to this igbo guy question is this:
1999 Ijaws voted for Yoruba man
2003, Ijaws voted for a northern.
2007, Ijaws voted for north and their son..
2011, Yorubas vote for Ijaw man called GEJ

Penguin2:
If the Western Region was such a darling to the people of Mid Western Region, why did they ask for a separate region and made troubles until they were granted referendum?

Ttalk this igbo guy is asking you a reversed question....he should be asking himself such question.. because there was no violence recorded in the old western region for the called for seperate region by the Ijaws and Benins......but in the old eastern region,,this where the Agitation for seperate region even first started...but it was override by the igbo king pharaohs till Adaka Boro raised arms to fight....