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Penguin2:
Since the 1952 elections in the colonial Nigeria till this year’s general elections, about 70 years later, the Southeast and Southsouth have, to a substantial extent, always voted in same direction.

The two regions have been like a woman’s breast where if you are able to suck one, you will get the other one for free. That is that if you can get the Southsouth to support your presidential ambition as a presidential candidate then you are getting the southeast as jara, and vice versa.

This might be because these two regions were historically one region before the balkanization that happened in 1967 at the wake of the Civil War which was intended to weaken the homogeneity of the Old Eastern Region.

But asides the fact that these regions shared same political and regional entity in the past, they are almost, substantially, same people as can be observed from their homogeneous Christianity, similarities in culture, customs, etc. The only substantially separation between these people is dialects.

Now, this near homogeneity is why they tend to share same worldview and are always attracted to same thing, ideas and ideals. Hence the consistency in voting in same direction in successive elections.

This union between SE/SS is why northern politicians have always coveted an alliance between the north and SE/SS. This was the pattern since 1960 when Northern and Eastern alliance birthed the first indigenous government when Tafawa Balewa became Prime Minister and Azikiwe became President. This alliance was sustained in the 1979 and 1983 elections, and between 1999 till 2015.

We can say that that pattern was broken by Buhari in 2015 because he was overly popular in the north. But even Buhari himself courted the North/Eastern alliance in 2 election cycles but failed to get because the Easterners failed to gravitate to him because of the reason we just finished seeing for 8 years.

Now, after the last election where the incumbent president was able to be declared ‘winner’ because Atiku and Obi being on the ballot divided the Northern/Eastern alliance votes, I’ve noticed that Tinubu has commissioned his foot soldiers to start both online and offline propaganda to try to break the bond between the two brothers of Southeast and Southsouth.

That’s why Asari Dokubo started saying gibberish online about how he was selling Igbos and all. It’s obvious the intention was to get the Igbos to react, and from there spark an ethnic friction between the Ijaw and Igbo and from there they will use propaganda to lump other ethnic minorities in Southsouth into it of how Igbos are trying to dominate them and other lies they’ve told since the 1960s.

But the Igbos are always one million miles ahead of these agents of darkness. That’s why till today not even an Igbo baby has responded to Asari Dokubo. You would wonder if all Igbos are in one WhatsApp group where we were instructed not to respond to Asari but we are not. We are just so alike that we reason and react same way to things. We saw through Asari from a million miles and ignored him. Now he has foolishly crawled back to whence he came.

But not only Asari, even here on Nairaland, I’ve seen multiple threads trying to tell Southsouth people why they should stop associating with the Southeast. Some have even created threads to tell Ebonyi people that they are not Igbos just so they would stop adding to the voting powerhouse that is SE/SS.

Now, apart from Asari and online minions, a closer look at the actions Wike, Ibori, Akpabio and co, will tell you that they are trying to re-engineer the Southsouth away from the Southeast and redirect them towards the Southwest so they can birth a SS/SW alliance that would now be going into alliance with the north to win elections. That’s the reason they fought so had to give Akpabio the Senate Presidency just to make it seem that Tinubu cares about the Southsouth.

Hence my question, why is Tinubu and his men trying to separate two brothers?

Do you not know we can see through you from a million miles away?

Do you think your propaganda and shenanigans will separate us?

Do you think this is 1960s when you sold lies and propaganda to cause divisions and succeeded with it?

Who is threatened by the SE/SS unbreakable alliance?

Igbo proverb

When you point one accusing finger

Your other fingers point back accusing you

I. 1952 there was no South South

2. What is now Edo and Delta state ,everything,was part of the Western Region
Two states
3 . What is now Cross River,Akwa Ibom Bayelsa,and Rivers state ,Four states were part of the Eastern Region
5. In 1957 just before independence the colonial power organised the Willinks commission which was to hear from ethnic minorities which were worried about their fate after independence and that was when agitation from Middle Belt Southern and other minorities was first given official recognition and where agitation for entitiess such as Cross River Rivers were first articulated
6. In 1963 to whittle down the influence of Awolowo in the Western Region,Balewa and Azikiwe who were together in a coalition government ganged up and arranged a referendum leading to the creation of the MidWestern region but cynically kept the Northern and Eastern Regions Intact
7. Of course when the Biafra war broke out 4 years later Akwa Ibom Cross River,Rivers and Bayelsa were all forcefully incorporated


YOUR CLAIM ABOUT VOTING IS FALSE
IBOS DID NOT VOTE ABIOLA OR AWOLOWO
EDO AND DELTA DID

IN 1979 BENDEL VOTED AWOLOWO CROSS RIVER AND RIVERS VOTES SHAGARI
IBOS VOTED AZIKIWE
Nnamdi Azikiwe did not get 25% in any SS state

Penguin2:
Talk of ignorance…

Are you aware that Switzerland, Czech Republic, Ethiopia, Rwanda, etc, are landlocked countries? Is your Nigeria better than them today?

I don’t even want to remind you that there’s a river called Azumini River in Abia State that empties into the Atlantic Ocean and the Southeast can build a seaport there.

It’s a pity the kind of lies you have been fed with. Quite pathetic!

Landlocked within another country?

Tukpa8:
that hight of disrespect to SS is the reason we will continue to prefer the Yorubas.... apart from disrespect,,,they are also to ingenue...

True...Its not going to work. I dont know why they like other people's regions more than those from the region.

I feel so sorry for you and your IPOB brothers,you sound so miserable. Na attachment by force go finish una😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
South South no send una.

Gajagojo:
Igbo proverb

When you point one accusing finger

Your other fingers point back accusing you

I. 1952 there was no South South

2. What is now Edo and Delta state ,everything,was part of the Western Region
Two states
3 . What is now Cross River,Akwa Ibom Bayelsa,and Rivers state ,Four states were part of the Eastern Region
5. In 1957 just before independence the colonial power organised the Willinks commission which was to hear from ethnic minorities which were worried about their fate after independence and that was when agitation from Middle Belt Southern and other minorities was first given official recognition and where agitation for entitiess such as Cross River Rivers were first articulated
6. In 1963 to whittle down the influence of Awolowo in the Western Region,Balewa and Azikiwe who were together in a coalition government ganged up and arranged a referendum leading to the creation of the MidWestern region but cynically kept the Northern and Eastern Regions Intact
7. Of course when the Biafra war broke out 4 years later Akwa Ibom Cross River,Rivers and Bayelsa were all forcefully incorporated


YOUR CLAIM ABOUT VOTING IS FALSE
IBOS DID NOT VOTE ABIOLA OR AWOLOWO
EDO AND DELTA DID

IN 1979 BENDEL VOTED AWOLOWO CROSS RIVER AND RIVERS VOTES SHAGARI
IBOS VOTED AZIKIWE
Nnamdi Azikiwe did not get 25% in any SS state

Igbos didn’t vote Abiola…

Anambra is what?🤔 They are Tiv people?

Please cure your ignorance in the thread below. You will learn that even though the Benin-Delta province were part of the Western Region, they politically aligned with the Eastern Region and Azikiwe’s NCNC. In fact, in 1952, out of 24 members of Western Regional Assembly from Midwest Province, 21 of them were elected on Azikiwe’s NCNC. Go and learn your history.

https://www.nairaland.com/7747825/maltreatments-led-midwest-breakaway-western

Tukpa8:
see my brother, let's called a spade a spade...just 1999 election votes cannot draw a conclusion of ss had same voting pattern with SE..no it is a concoction of history and twisting of events.......ok what about the SW that have been having same consistent voting pattern with SS since 1999 to 2011?
have in mind that, Yorubas massively voted for GEJ in 2011 election..

Since 1999 when the country return to democratic, PDP has been a dominant party for the southern people including SW,SS and SE... infact SE had their own called APGA.

You are just a waste of intellectual time and energy.🤦

You don’t even know the accurate occurrences of events.

You don’t know when they occurred.

You just lump things together.

I just imagine you feeding your children with this kind of takes you have in your head.

Please help yourself further below. Hopefully it will help cure some of your ignorance; that’s if you are willing to learn.

https://www.nairaland.com/7747825/maltreatments-led-midwest-breakaway-western

Ragmerr:
I'm not talking about voting pattern, if we're being truthful, Nigerians from SS, SE, NC, and NW voted for obi. I'm alluding to the igbos trying to force Rivers people into their Biafran thing, you are Igbo and you probably hate wike because he doesn't do things that pleases your people that's why call him a lousy character, unfortunately for you his people are in support of the actions he took against the agitators in Obigbo, notwithstanding what played out during the election, he is still loved and respected by his people but hated by the igbos, come to Rivers and ask questions.

Which of what I wrote here suggested Biafra to you?

Omoawoke:
Do you know you don’t have sense. No be insult.

The countries you listed as top 10 poorest, most of them are landlocked. And yes, Lesotho is among the poorest countries in Africa. They are economically and politically dependent on South Africa.
South Africa can wake up tomorrow and decide to cut off Lesotho from the world.
I am happy you are comparing your southeast to countries like Lesotho and Chad

I usually have a problem when I’m talking with someone and instead of sticking to facts he degenerates into emotional tantrums and vituperations.

All the claims you’ve made before, I disproved them with facts. Now, if you are reasonable, what you were supposed to do is counter my facts with contrary facts. But you aren’t doing that. You have resorted to calling me names.

You claimed no country is encircled, I showed you Lesotho.

Then you shifted the goalpost to them being poor. And I supplied top 10 poorest countries in Africa and Lesotho wasn’t there. And instead of bringing contrary facts you are calling me names.

Ok. I’ve increased it to top 15 poorest countries in Africa and Lesotho isn’t still there.

Where’s the fact to support any of your claims, sir?

Peterlove11:
Landlocked within another country?

Take a look at this map of Lesotho 🇱🇸 and tell me what you found.

Penguin2:
Igbos didn’t vote Abiola…

Anambra is what?🤔 They are Tiv people?

Please cure your ignorance in the thread below. You will learn that even though the Benin-Delta province were part of the Western Region, they politically aligned with the Eastern Region and Azikiwe’s NCNC. In fact, in 1952, out of 24 members of Western Regional Assembly from Midwest Province, 21 of them were elected on Azikiwe’s NCNC. Go and learn your history.

https://www.nairaland.com/7747825/maltreatments-led-midwest-breakaway-western

You are the one that told us SS vote like SE since independence
I showed you evidence that in 1993. SE followed a different path from SS and you are now talking of Anambra? What is the relevance ? You are confused and irrational

Again I showed you evidence Awolowo won Bendel state in 1979
You can only deceive your self
Azikiwe did not get 25% and Ambrose Alli of Awolowo s UPN was governor

So stop telling stupid lies
IN 1979 AZIKIWE DID NOT Get 25% IN ANY SS STATE NOT ONE

Is Anambra the totality of Ibo vote?
Why stop at Anambra you could use that same logic to point out a particular local government area that voted Abiola to say Ibo voted Abiola or even a particular street or family

What sane people are talking about is the totality of Ibo votes. No one will get Zero Ibo votes
Why not focus on the lies you told

That SS have always voted like SE
Were you referring to the whole or a part
In making that statement were you talking of one SS state or the aggregate total?
How many states did SE have in 1993? How many votes Abiola

Penguin2:
Take a look at this map of Lesotho 🇱🇸 and tell me what you found.

Most of these guys are nor exposed.

Penguin2:
You are just a waste of intellectual time and energy.🤦

You don’t even know the accurate occurrences of events.

You don’t know when they occurred.

You just lump things together.

I just imagine you feeding your children with this kind of takes you have in your head.

Please help yourself further below. Hopefully it will help cure some of your ignorance; that’s if you are willing to learn.

https://www.nairaland.com/7747825/maltreatments-led-midwest-breakaway-western

these are rubbish from ipob.i don't even have to read it to the end because I saw ipob handwriting on it.
Tell one violence that took place in western region?

at last Yorubas allowed us to go with referendum.....I am Ijaw from delta state.
Yorubas allowed us to go with referendum..

The question is....why even with all fight but Igbos refused to allowed our Ijaw brothers in other side to go?

I am Ijaw from old western region.
We share too many things in common with the Yorubas..

SS is different from Ijaw even though Ijaw is the biggest there.
Ijaws of the old eastern region have what was called niger delta congress party....the party in it entirety aligned with the northern party led by Tafewa balewa and others..

I have told you,,,, leave that IDP camp abroad refugee you are and come hime, go to school library and read true history and not the ones that proceed from the mouth of your fellow abroad IDP camp refugee settlers....how can one in homeless far away IDP camp abroad know what is in a library in south east?

Gajagojo:
You are the one that told us SS vote like SE since independence
I showed you evidence that in 1993. SE followed a different path from SS and you are now talking of Anambra? What is the relevance ? You are confused and irrational

Again I showed you evidence Awolowo won Bendel state in 1979
You can only deceive your self
Azikiwe did not get 25% and Ambrose Alli of Awolowo s UPN was governor

So stop telling stupid lies
IN 1979 AZIKIWE DID NOT Get 25% IN ANY SS STATE NOT ONE

Is Anambra the totality of Ibo vote?
Why stop at Anambra you could use that same logic to point out a particular local government area that voted Abiola to say Ibo voted Abiola or even a particular street or family

What sane people are talking about is the totality of Ibo votes. No one will get Zero Ibo votes
Why not focus on the lies you told

That SS have always voted like SE
Were you referring to the whole or a part
In making that statement were you talking of one SS state or the aggregate total?
How many states did SE have in 1993? How many votes Abiola

the guy is a frustrated homeless vagabond who wanting a place to stay in nigeria because they are facing racist and crucifixion abroad, hence the lying foolishly to landgrabbed SS...

Here is pure evidence from 1967 general election,,,but guess what,,,the homeless vagabond still insisting on the propaganda created by his fellow abroad vagabonds.

Carefully observe and look the vote system of the old Bendel states and old rivers state.....you will see that they all voted for shagari and not azikiwe...but homeless illiterate will still follow fairytales told by his frustrated father's...

Let them come to Ijaw land and forced us to brother them na....na woto woto we go give dem......wetin Asari dey do dem for orlu na small thing

Akungitit:
I feel so sorry for you and your IPOB brothers,you sound so miserable. Na attachment by force go finish una😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
South South no send una.

dem go waste data dey do fictional, unrealistic attachment till dem go die finished...their claims end only online... in real life we are doing our thing and standing our ground.....we have already said no to Igbo brotherhood.

Ani doun bo a, u bo mu fi...any person wey hin pain, make him go die.
We Ijaws loved Yorubas...

piri ama abu will cry through out this night.
Make I stopped before dem go die

Tukpa8:
these are rubbish from ipob.i don't even have to read it to the end because I saw ipob handwriting on it.
Tell one violence that took place in western region?

at last Yorubas allowed us to go with referendum.....I am Ijaw from delta state.
Yorubas allowed us to go with referendum..

The question is....why even with all fight but Igbos refused to allowed our Ijaw brothers in other side to go?

I am Ijaw from old western region.
We share too many things in common with the Yorubas..

SS is different from Ijaw even though Ijaw is the biggest there.
Ijaws of the old eastern region have what was called niger delta congress party....the party in it entirety aligned with the northern party led by Tafewa balewa and others..

I have told you,,,, leave that IDP camp abroad refugee you are and come hime, go to school library and read true history and not the ones that proceed from the mouth of your fellow abroad IDP camp refugee settlers....how can one in homeless far away IDP camp abroad know what is in a library in south east?

First, that article was written by a Benin man and presented at the occasion of celebration of another Benin man who participated in the struggle for the creation of the Midwest region. Oba of Benin was in attendance there.

So, how did you conclude it’s from IPOB without reading it?

You see, that’s your problem… you don’t know, you don’t know that you don’t know, and you don’t want to know.

That’s why I said your case is a lost case.

Penguin2:
First, that article was written by a Benin man and presented at the occasion of celebration of another Benin man who participated in the struggle for the creation of the Midwest region. Oba of Benin was in attendance there.

So, how did you conclude it’s from IPOB without reading it?

You see, that’s your problem… you don’t know, you don’t know that you don’t know, and you don’t want to know.

That’s why I said your case is a lost case.

look at this 1967 election results below...did the said old Bendel people vote for which candidate among the three; Azikiwe? Awolowo? Shagari?

The result is there for you to look..I am tired of arguing back and forth.

Antimarxist here is the thread

Tukpa8:
Antimarxist here is the thread

Ok.
Thanks

Penguin2:
You said it all…

It is easier to break the Northwest and Northeast than breaking Southeast and Southsouth.

Meanwhile, the few disgruntled elements in Southsouth that you are talking about, are just characters like Wike, Asari and co, who think Igbos are out to dominate them.

Both are of igbo descent , Amaechi knows their story better

Jogs1900:
Mention those in the SS that wants to go with you.Jonathan?Wike? Akpabio? Oba of Benin?
Who amongst the SS stakeholder will go with a less productive region?
Do you think Itshekiris, Ijaws and Urhobo that are the real Deltans will go with the SE?
Just answer truthfully.

Oga, I said we will prefer to stay alone. But if we must pick one side, we go with SE because the Yorubas are too close to the North and having the North with us will slow than progress. It will be another Nigeria when they keep channeling all the oil to far away North.

Penguin2:
First, that article was written by a Benin man and presented at the occasion of celebration of another Benin man who participated in the struggle for the creation of the Midwest region. Oba of Benin was in attendance there.

So, how did you conclude it’s from IPOB without reading it?

You see, that’s your problem… you don’t know, you don’t know that you don’t know, and you don’t want to know.

That’s why I said your case is a lost case.

Please stop disturbing urself. Talking with this people argue is a waste of time. One thinks if Nigeria is divided SS will go with SW. I laugh.

blocksy007:
Oga, I said we will prefer to stay alone. But if we must pick one side, we go with SE because the Yorubas are too close to the North and having the North with us will slow than progress. It will be another Nigeria when they keep channeling all the oil to far away North.

I know the ijaws, itshekiris and urhobos will never go with the south east.
If they can't stay alone, they prefer to go with the SW

Jogs1900:
I know the ijaws, itshekiris and urhobos will never go with the south east.
If they can't stay alone, they prefer to go with the SW

The SW are too oppressive. We can't trust them. SE can be like SW sometimes, we will stay alone. If SW is going with the North trust me, SS will never want to join SW.

blocksy007:
The SW are too oppressive. We can't trust them. SE can be like SW sometimes, we will stay alone. If SW is going with the North trust me, SS will never want to join SW.

If SS stays alone, it's okay.My maternal family are Urhobos and I know what they say.Itshekiris are Yorubas while Benin are Yorubas cousins.
Now if they are to choose between SW and SE, which region do you think they will prefer ?

Jogs1900:
I know the ijaws, itshekiris and urhobos will never go with the south east.
If they can't stay alone, they prefer to go with the SW

Let me tell U Ijaw will never go with SE. But U see Urhobo and Itsekiri (my tribe) we will go with the Binis. I doubt if the Binis will want to go with SW when the SW is holding on to North.

blocksy007:
Let me tell U Ijaw will never go with SE. But U see Urhobo and Itsekiri (my tribe) we will go with the Binis. I doubt if the Binis will want to go with SW when the SW is holding on to North.

Now, I understand you.Yorubas will never drag Benin to join them.
Yorubas prefer Edo and Delta states to be alone.
You may be an itshekiri but I'm not sure if itshekiris will want to go with Benin.Itshekiris have affinity with the ijebus in Ogun state not with the benins.

Jogs1900:
Now, I understand you.Yorubas will never drag Benin to join them.
Yorubas prefer Edo and Delta states to be alone.
You may be an itshekiri but I'm not sure if itshekiris will want to go with Benin.Itshekiris have affinity with the ijebus in Ogun state not with the benins.

Bro because we speak like the Ijebus doesn't mean we are from the Ijebus. If we are from Ijebu because we speak like them, then you speaking English means you are British.

Jogs1900:
If SS stays alone, it's okay.My maternal family are Urhobos and I know what they say.Itshekiris are Yorubas while Benin are Yorubas cousins.
Now if they are to choose between SW and SE, which region do you think they will prefer ?

Bro I will love to say SW but brother the Northerners are too oppressive. We will stay alone. Not because we don't like SW but because we don't want the Northern oppression that is currently in Nigeria right now.

blocksy007:
Bro because we speak like the Ijebus doesn't mean we are from the Ijebus. If we are from Ijebu because we speak like them, then you speaking English means you are British.

I can't know your culture more than you.But even language is affinity.Its because we speak English language that it's easier for us to integrate easily in England than in France.Even in Canada, Nigerians are more in Ontario than in Quebec.
From what I read, the itshekiri royalty is from Benin.

blocksy007:
Bro I will love to say SW but brother the Northerners are too oppressive. We will stay alone. Not because we don't like SW but because we don't want the Northern oppression that is currently in Nigeria right now.

I understand you.
The northerners have some things in common with the south west especially in somewhere in ilorin that you will hardly know the difference between a northern and Yoruba up to Niger state.
Another thing that joined them together is religion .
Left for the average SW like me, I want SS to stay alone.

Jogs1900:
I understand you.
The northerners have some things in common with the south west especially in somewhere in ilorin that you will hardly know the difference between a northern and Yoruba up to Niger state.
Another thing that joined them together is religion .
Left for the average SW like me, I want SS to stay alone.

God bless you for this truth. We love SW but our fear comes from the North so we will gladly stay alone.

blocksy007:
God bless you for this truth. We love SW but our fear comes from the North so we will gladly stay alone.

I'm in support of the SS being alone.
God bless you too.
It's well