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Solofresh2:
It will always look that way because poverty has eaten deep in the land.Money will always be the priority in a country where poverty reigns
The few white female friends I know don't make money their priority but what do I know

brotherly money is and alwAys will be important in life after all if you have great companion part of the fun is going to restaurants or bars or museums or concerts and sharing moments together. If you can't handle this basic part of being in a relationship then you shouldn't be in one . Problem with you Nigerian guys is that you want sex but don't want women to ask you for anything. You want free sex and then get angry if she asks you for monetary favors. If a woman allows you into her vagina , she asking you for monetary help is not an offensive request unless you are a broke guy who wants something for nothing lmaoooo . Listen the truth is most of these redpilled argument are from broke Horneee guys

Gerrard59:
While that is largely true, when you are in a place with few people as a black African, subconsciously you will associate with someone from Gambia instead of the Brits or Germans. I say black African because we are not used to living in a multi-racial societies unlike African Americans. It does change later tho depending on how old the person is and age s/he emigrated from Africa and how well the person has assimilated into the host's society.

My sister... husband and niece moved to a small town in Pennsylvania...(work related) ... like 99% White. .. hour and a half drive from NYC. They went to chill in a park ... were sitting on the lawn when they noticed a Black girl sprinting towards them from the other side.... she pulled up ... out of breath ... introduced herself... and inquired if they were new residents or just passing through because she had never seen them before and was excited to see another of her kind. The girl and her family were "Akatas".This is to support what you are saying. Under these conditions your nationality, religion, tribe does not matter. You are seen as another Black period .... the same way racists see Blacks ... you are Black period.

Originalsly:
I always maintained that except for business ... I have absolutely no interest in traveling to countries where the general population is racist towards Blacks. Too many of us run to these "hostile countries" based on the "Heaven on Earth" write ups about them ... but not considering that those write ups were not written by people like us nor is meant for us. When we get there then we find out ... and when we return we don't want others to know it was not at all the Paradise we were expecting .... so we keep that to ourselves. Worse is for us to go spending and supporting people who do not like us ... but will tolerate us if we are spending. Weren't we tolerated in Dubai? ... when we were going to spend?... and spend big? What happened when we started to troop in to live?
Before we travel we need to find out more about how we as Black people are perceived by the general population in that country. We should also look at the history of some of these countries ... like Argentina ... that chased out almost all of its Blacks ... the reason every South American football team have Black players except Argentina. Makes no sense to support the people who do not like us.

I do agree with the first line. I read some articles exalting the beautiful tourist attractions. But when I think over it again, some of them don't resonate with me as a black African, and I always think, what would they think about me if they see me there? I no get time to do an explanation of myself. This might even be OK in places with few blacks as they believe you came in legally for you to be there. But in countries with immigration issues, one faces a new challenge.

As for the bold, that is the fault of our people. You cannot go to another man's country to commit crimes. It is a maddening concept. Some of our people went to Dubai to commit crimes. I have been preaching this on Twitter, but some idealists believe everyone is equal. Black Africans are poor, yet when they enter in droves into a new country, they commit crimes. Then, they begin to compare themselves to Germans or Russians. Does Nigeria have the same clout as Russia? India has more in common with UAE than Nigeria. So the UAE will be careful in maltreating Indians because of that relationship. The same in Singapore, which was visa free until 2006/7 when our people trafficked drugs enmass while about to go through the Changi Airport. The visa waiver was removed, but it is free for Burkina Faso and South Africa. Also the same happened in Chile which offered Haitian refugees sanctuary only for them to start committing crimes. The problem with this is the natives develop a bad feeling towards black people regardless of nationality until the passport is shown.

Another instance was a Gambian entering a temple in Kobe to destroy the sculptures. Now, you as a law-abiding person, will visit that area, and the inhabitants will be wary of your presence due to that negative act done by person wey you no sabi. If I am to visit a country where there are few blacks, I check the immigration policies. The tighter it is, the better because it means the Black Africans there are law-abiding and resourceful. African Americans who migrate tend to be middle-class levels. Middle-class folks, regardless of race, tend to behave accordingly. Anyone who wants to behave should do so in his dominant environment.

This and many more are reasons I never castigate visa restrictions. Some people need to be restricted or assessed using stringent conditions before allowed entry.

Gerrard59:
Is this not what I have been preaching on Nairaland about the Maslow Hierarchy of Needs regarding immigration? Since the vast majority of blacks are sub-Saharan Africans and the vast majority of poor people in the world are black people, most Asians believe that any black person they see is poor and most likely an illegal migrant. One British-Nigerian narrated a similar experience. She was walking the streets of Tokyo when a policeman ran towards her and asked for her residence card and passport. She presented both her card and British passport. Upon sighting the passport, the policeman feigned disinterest and asked about Harry Potter and his movies. If she had presented a Nigerian passport, I am sure he would want to scrutinise it further.

Again, I have stated this countless times: no one disrespects a rich person, and no country offers visa-free access to a citizen of a poor country. Visa free privileges are hinged on a country's wealth and the citizens' prosperity. The richer a country is and the wealthier her citizens are, the stronger the passport. The strength of the UAE passport has increased simply because she has gotten richer. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/07/united-arab-emirates-ranked-as-having-the-best-passport-in-the-world.html

It is the same way anyone reading this will grant free access of his/her apartment to Dangote instead of me. The belief is that since Dangote is wealthy, he won't constitute a nuisance either as a poor person or a criminal. It does not matter whether I won the Nobel prize, I won't be offered the same privilege as Dangote simply because I don't come from a family as notable as his. Humans are naturally discriminatory.

Visa free privileges are not hinged on racism like some woke people opine, but on wealth. Black people will be respected globally if the vast majority of black-dominated countries become rich. As it is, the wealthiest set of black people are African Americans, but the vast majority of black people are sub-Saharan Africans who happen to be the poorest people globally. Thus, the average black person outside Africa and North America/UK/France is seen as a poor person.
https://www.nairaland.com/5886610/racism-against-blacks-reduce-drastically

This is the problem when a country's immigration laws are lax towards poor countries - all sorts of people get unfettered access. Before 2006/7, Nigeria had visa-free access to Singapore. But after a spate of drug smuggling, the Singaporean gov't cancelled it and imposed strict visa application processes. The result? The kind of Nigerians you would find in Singapore are better behaved, richer, educated and disciplined than those in other parts of South East Asia. The stricter the visa application process of a country is, the more disciplined the Nigerians there are. In the next few years, Nigerians in the UAE will become better behaved citizens than five years ago. Another contrast to Malaysia is Canada. Tighten the borders to get better behaved Nigerians. Loosen it and you would have them create cult gangs.

lawani:
Yes what is owned as a nation by way of organisation technology know how etc are what a nation can be proud of, not individual achievements by nationals in foreign countries. However it is not a black thing as they are a number of very wealthy black majority countries and the average African country is like Eastern Europe, China, India etc only smaller by population and with a higher dependency ratio because of an exploding population. Nigeria is the black majority country that is the odd one out though it is not necessarily the most corrupt in the world but it is at least among the most challenged with dearth of infrastructure, lack of strong and inspirational leadership and etc

Like which ones? Please don't use GDP per capita as your sole basis to assess wealth. Na so one talk say Bahamas and Barbados are examples of well-run black dominated countries. But what are their population figures in contrast to the over one billion blacks globally? Do they get respected as African Americans? Using Barbados and Bahamas is like using Singapore or Taiwan to judge Han Chinese as very wealthy (pre-2000) or Andorra for white people. White people have Germany, Switzerland, US, Australia to boast of using GDP per capita and HDIndices. These places are more populated and can be used to assess how rich white people are. For blacks, you use Kenya, Nigeria, Ethiopia, DRC and South Africa. If these countries are as rich and developed as Malaysia, the way blacks will be viewed globally will change drastically.

Like I mentioned earlier, black people seem to have this belief that everyone MUST like them. Na lie. Everyone must not like you (figuratively speaking). Why should a Swiss like you? Do you have money? What positive importance are you to him compared to the Han Chinese? If he makes a piece of equipment with ABB, you go fit afford am? Can you visit his tourist attractions, spend money and vacate on time thereby enriching him? However, everyone must respect you and to gain respect since it is not offered on a platter of gold, black people must provide value in terms of economic viability and functioning societies. Once you do that, everyone gets to respect you. This is applicable at individual levels. You might hate someone, but you won't disrespect the person because of the income status the person is on.

https://www.nairaland.com/5886610/racism-against-blacks-reduce-drastically

Remi Adekoya:

Imagine a world in which two out of the five largest economies were in Africa. A world in which when Africa sneezed, the rest of the globe caught a cold. A world in which markets breathlessly responded to developments in Nigeria or South Africa’s economy because that had global consequences. It would be a world in which Africa was unignorable. Because no one can ignore the relevant. Relevance today means economic relevance. That is why Africa’s focus this century must be on becoming rich by any means necessary. Anything else is a distraction.

Only then will black lives matter

https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/08/09/why-black-people-must-help-africa-develop-racism-pan-africanism/

Black lives will matter when sub-Saharan Africa which is home to more black people than elsewhere gets prosperous.

sukkot:
brotherly money is and alwAys will be important in life after all if you have great companion part of the fun is going to restaurants or bars or museums or concerts and sharing moments together. If you can't handle this basic part of being in a relationship then you shouldn't be in one . Problem with you Nigerian guys is that you want sex but don't want women to ask you for anything. You want free sex and then get angry if she asks you for monetary favors. If a woman allows you into her vagina , she asking you for monetary help is not an offensive request unless you are a broke guy who wants something for nothing lmaoooo . Listen the truth is most of these redpilled argument are from broke Horneee guys

Shouting alfa meil, alfa meil, alfa meil while dangling their smelly preeks along the road.

I don talk am before, and I will die on that hill:

Gerrard59:
One thing I have noticed in sexual relationships or affairs is that the men who complain a lot about how women are so "sexually free" are never financially buoyant. They are always poor! I am yet to meet a man who bemoans sexual freedom for women that is well-to-do.

Gerrard59:
Additionally, sex is not free. The belief that it's free is entirely false. Sex is paid for in either kind (offering a job, contract or admission), cash (like opined on this thread) and commitment (marriage/engagement). However, in rare cases, handsome men get sex for free. This is the top 1% of Nigerian men as the vast majority of Nigerian men are ugly (myself inclusive). If you think getting a wife equates free sex, don't drop feeding money or money for her upkeep and beauty products.

Gerrard59:
Like which ones? Please don't use GDP per capita as your sole basis to assess wealth. Na so one talk say Bahamas and Barbados are examples of well-run black dominated countries. But what are their population figures in contrast to the over one billion blacks globally? Do they get respected as African Americans? Using Barbados and Bahamas is like using Singapore or Taiwan to judge Han Chinese as very wealthy (pre-2000) or Andorra for white people. White people have Germany, Switzerland, US, Australia to boast of using GDP per capita and HDIndices. These places are more populated and can be used to assess how rich white people are. For blacks, you use Kenya, Nigeria, Ethiopia, DRC and South Africa. If these countries are as rich and developed as Malaysia, the way blacks will be viewed globally will change drastically.

Like I mentioned earlier, black people seem to have this belief that everyone MUST like them. Na lie. Everyone must not like you (figuratively speaking). Why should a Swiss like you? Do you have money? What positive importance are you to him compared to the Han Chinese? If he makes a piece of equipment with ABB, you go fit afford am? Can you visit his tourist attractions, spend money and vacate on time thereby enriching him? However, everyone must respect you and to gain respect since it is not offered on a platter of gold, black people must provide value in terms of economic viability and functioning societies. Once you do that, everyone gets to respect you. This is applicable at individual levels. You might hate someone, but you won't disrespect the person because of the income status the person is on.

https://www.nairaland.com/5886610/racism-against-blacks-reduce-drastically



https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/08/09/why-black-people-must-help-africa-develop-racism-pan-africanism/

Black lives will matter when sub-Saharan Africa which is home to more black people than elsewhere gets prosperous.

GDP per Capita is what we know for now and I read about one small slightly majority black country of sixty thousand population with GDP per Capita over 120k, then there are many others with income well over global average. If you are talking about tech know how, it is now not more than automobiles, smart phones jumbo jets and now electric vehicles then very few others and we know that only a handful of countries are on the stage. A country can be very developed without much tech and even richer than those with tech. How much tech does Norway have but it is more developed than the US and they are respected for that. There are many other countries like Norway respected mainly for their organisation and not necessarily know how. Organisation is a super power. Japan and Germany are respected for thoroughness and development but they don't innovate as much as the USA. There are well respected black people based on how they carry themselves, people like Oluwo Fernandez before his death. When the Pope was in the US he lodged with him on his private island, he relates well with big shots across the world including the biggest people like the late President Bush. What about people like Adebayo Ogunlesi who was appointed by Donald Trump to work at a very high level with the US government, so it depends on how you carry yourself and the value you are adding. However if your own country is well run, it add points to you and many African countries even immediate neighbours to Nigeria are well run. If Nigeria can at least have infrastructure, the problem will reduce. Russia too is rated as corrupt but their citizens are nowhere near as criminally minded as Nigerians and Russians are said to be the most successful immigrants per Capita in the USA. The only solution remains to build your country and if Nigeria were at least like Ghana or even Niger republic then the problem you speak of will be largely solved. However as an individual, you can succeed if you cooperate with and bow to the system where you find yourself and of course it starts with being law abiding. Then there are many well respected people who don't have money. Chinua Achebe did not have money, Mahatma Gandhi don't have money, Nelson Mandela and many others just to debunk the claim about the Swiss and etc

Gerrard59:
Shouting alfa meil, alfa meil, alfa meil while dangling their smelly preeks along the road.

I don talk am before, and I will die on that hill:

Gerrard59:
The same in Singapore, which was visa free until 2006/7 when our people trafficked drugs enmass while about to go through the Changi Airport. The visa waiver was removed, but it is free for Burkina Faso and South Africa. Also the same happened in Chile which offered Haitian refugees sanctuary only for them to start committing crimes. The problem with this is the natives develop a bad feeling towards black people regardless of nationality until the passport is shown.

I've read through all that was posted and agree with your analysis. The attachment below is to support the bolded .... a prime example of the point you are making.

lawani:
GDP per Capita is what we know for now and I read about

one small slightly majority black country of sixty thousand population with GDP per Capita over 120k,

First bold; GDP per capita cannot be used to fully assess a country's level of development and wealth because it is too simplistic. In that case, Gabon and Equatorial Guinea are richer than Ghana. Those places with their wealth ought to be like Qatar and Oman, but are terribly poor.

Second bold; has to be Cayman Islands or Bermuda. Those places are smaller and scattered in islands than Bonny Islands. Ikeja has more residents than both combined. So tell me, when the leader of say Cayman Islands makes a declaration, does it have more clout than when the German Chancellor does the same? Does anyone even know the leader of Luxembourg? So, why use the Cayman Islands to adjudge blacks as wealthy folks when compared to other races?

Those islands are under Britain's control sef. The White man wins, again.

then there are many others with income well over global average. If you are talking about tech know how, it is now not more than automobiles, smart phones jumbo jets and now electric vehicles then very few others and we know that only a handful of countries are on the stage. A country can be very developed without much tech and even richer than those with tech. How much tech does Norway have but it is more developed than the US and they are respected for that. There are many other countries like Norway respected mainly for their organisation and not necessarily know how. Organisation is a super power. Japan and Germany are respected for thoroughness and development but they don't innovate as much as the USA. There are well respected black people based on how they carry themselves

So, which black dominated country with the population of Norway is as rich as Norway? Which black dominated countries are like Germany and Japan even though the US is more innovative than them?

people like Oluwo Fernandez before his death. When the Pope was in the US he lodged with him on his private island, he relates well with big shots across the world including the biggest people like the late President Bush. What about people like Adebayo Ogunlesi who was appointed by Donald Trump to work at a very high level with the US government, so it depends on how you carry yourself and the value you are adding.

Yet Oprah Winfrey was "disrespected" in a luxury store in Switzerland. Are those black men richer than her? Heck, she is an African American, yet she got "disrespected". Na for their pocket say dem know Pope and Trump. I am talking about the layman and vast majority. An ordinary Chinese man will enter the Oprah entered shop to do window shopping, and he won't experience the same treatment because HALF of the luxury goods sold globally (an industry Switzerland is a major player) are bought by Han Chinese. The store attendant might hate Chinese, but she will NEVER disrespect the Chinese because of that singular fact. How many black people dey consume luxury goods? See Bernard Arnault, he visited China this month to see the market behind his company's success and personal wealth. I bet you that man cannot point where Ghana is on the world's map, but hey let's use the Cayman Islands to assess black people as wealthy folks.

However if your own country is well run, it add points to you

We agree on something.

and many African countries even immediate neighbours to Nigeria are well run.

True, but they are poor. Ivory Coast is poorer than Malaysia. Ghana is poorer than Taiwan. Considering Laos has a wealthy neighbour in China, I dare say she can be richer in the next decade than Cameroon even though she is landlocked.

If Nigeria can at least have infrastructure, the problem will reduce

Agreed, and she has to be rich to afford those infrastructures. The loan she got from China was used to build railway tracks to go-knows-where-Maradi is rather than economically viable places.

Russia too is rated as corrupt but their citizens are nowhere near as criminally minded as Nigerians and Russians are said to be the most successful immigrants per Capita in the USA.

Not true. Asian Americans come top all metrics. However, if you oppose, please provide the source where you got that Russians are the most successful on per capita basis.

P.S. Please define "successful" in this context.

The only solution remains to build your country

Agreed.

However as an individual, you can succeed if you cooperate with and bow to the system where you find yourself and of course it starts with being law abiding. Then there are many well respected people who don't have money. Chinua Achebe did not have money, Mahatma Gandhi don't have money, Nelson Mandela and many others just to debunk the claim about the Swiss and etc

While that is true, it does not cover the majority because they know where you come from. They know you have few choices and little or inconsequential consequences for any disrespect. I am immune to it, but black people especially black Africans should have it at the back of their mind rather than chanting everybody must like us.

No one likes poor people.

Gerrard59:
First bold; GDP per capita cannot be used to fully assess a country's level of development and wealth because it is too simplistic. In that case, Gabon and Equatorial Guinea are richer than Ghana. Those places with their wealth ought to be like Qatar and Oman, but are terribly poor.

Second bold; has to be Cayman Islands or Bermuda. Those places are smaller and scattered in islands than Bonny Islands. Ikeja has more residents than both combined. So tell me, when the leader of say Cayman Islands makes a declaration, does it have more clout than when the German Chancellor does the same? Does anyone even know the leader of Luxembourg? So, why use the Cayman Islands to adjudge blacks as wealthy folks when compared to other races?

Those islands are under Britain's control sef. The White man wins, again.



So, which black dominated country with the population of Norway is as rich as Norway? Which black dominated countries are like Germany and Japan even though the US is more innovative than them?



Yet Oprah Winfrey was "disrespected" in a luxury store in Switzerland. Are those black men richer than her? Heck, she is an African American, yet she got "disrespected". Na for their pocket say dem know Pope and Trump. I am talking about the layman and vast majority. An ordinary Chinese man will enter the Oprah entered shop to do window shopping, and he won't experience the same treatment because HALF of the luxury goods sold globally (an industry Switzerland is a major player) are bought by Han Chinese. The store attendant might hate Chinese, but she will NEVER disrespect the Chinese because of that singular fact. How many black people dey consume luxury goods? See Bernard Arnault, he visited China this month to see the market behind his company's success and personal wealth. I bet you that man cannot point where Ghana is on the world's map, but hey let's use the Cayman Islands to assess black people as wealthy folks.



We agree on something.



True, but they are poor. Ivory Coast is poorer than Malaysia. Ghana is poorer than Taiwan. Considering Laos has a wealthy neighbour in China, I dare say she can be richer in the next decade than Cameroon even though she is landlocked.



Agreed, and she has to be rich to afford those infrastructures. The loan she got from China was used to build railway tracks to go-knows-where-Maradi is rather than economically viable places.



Not true. Asian Americans come top all metrics. However, if you oppose, please provide the source where you got that Russians are the most successful on per capita basis.

P.S. Please define "successful" in this context.



Agreed.



While that is true, it does not cover the majority because they know where you come from. They know you have few choices and little or inconsequential consequences for any disrespect. I am immune to it, but black people especially black Africans should have it at the back of their mind rather than chanting everybody must like us.

No one likes poor people.

Like yourself first before anybody can like you. If you hate yourself and think low of yourself then you have been bankrupted and are starting from negative. Then the only or main reason any country especially non income tax taking country is better than Ghana or Cote dIvoire is because of a large number of children in those countries. The average age of Ghana will be around twenty something while Poland or Germany will be over 40 and that is the only or main reason Poland or Germany is richer than Ghana on a per Capita basis. Western Europe is expensive to live in and Eastern Europe is still more expensive than Ghana but cheaper than Western Europe. If rent were fifty dollars in Germany, then average wage can not be up to 1500 dollars, as rent is cheap in Ghana, you don't expect Ghana salaries to be high and therefore GDP figure will be low while quantitatively the economy is larger. If you live in Accra, you get anything you need just as if you are in Berlin or London and many Europeans are settled in Accra, Abidjan and etc. African Americans have an understandable persecution complex and anybody can have issue with anybody, that is what I feel about your Oprah Winfrey story. I don't have persecution complex. I don't want everybody to like me. That is a feeling of inferiority complex. More than enough people already like me. I don't do anything for people to dislike me etc. The reason you think people hate you is likely because you hate them yourself or you hate yourself. I don't have that feeling and many Nigerians don't have that feeling. What you feel about yourself is most important and you attract with your power what you have inside

Russian Americans are said to be the most successful migrants in the US in business or so according to a report I read.

I am not saying blacks are wealthy. A very young population can't be wealthy but they are not poor. To have money to travel is an indication you are not poor. Poor people are stuck where they are as someone pointed out. You may be rich and think you are poor.
Han Chinese are a large population. You can't compare them to any group and their average age is up to that of Germans meaning they will be rich. Any over forty year old is economically well off than people in their twenties.
To get people to respect you, first respect yourself, then respect them and then they will respect you. It has nothing to do with money. What you give is what you get. What a sense of entitlement to even think everybody will like you!. Good people like good people while criminals may be drawn to people similar to them etc etc.

Then I use GDP per Capita because that is what everybody use. However in actual fact, if rent were priced reasonably, a per Capita income of 3500 dollars per annum in a nation where average household size is five people with two workers only will be okay for a good life.