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Workch:
I don't know the definition or attribute of God.
One only attribute I think a god should have to someone that is capable of creating us.

What makes you think anything “created” us.

Give an example of this god “creating” anything.

Give an an example of how this god “creates”.

Workch:
I don't know the definition or attribute of God.
One only attribute I think a god should have to someone that is capable of creating us.

Aha! Here we go
1. What if 'god' is actually a tiny and weak entity that cannot create any being?
2. Cant you see your theist background is influencing your definition of this 'god'?

KnownUnknown:
What makes you think anything “created” us.

Give an example of this god “creating” anything.

Give an an example of how this god “creates”.

I don't think anything created us. I'm agnostic.
Theists think so, since I don't have evidence against it yet, I cannot outrightly reject it, especially the deistic concept.

I think that anyone who should reject it should clearly demonstrate to us with a counterevidence.

Workch:
I don't think anything created us. I'm agnostic.
Theists think so, since I don't have evidence against it yet.

This is illiteracy, theists don’t think so, some theists think so especially among monotheists.

jaephoenix:
Aha! Here we go
1. What if 'god' is actually a tiny and weak entity that cannot create any being?
2. Cant you see your theist background is influencing your definition of this 'god'?

My definition of God is something that created everything. We have so many concepts of God that are not creators, but I'm not interested in them. I'm interested in that one that is capable of creating everything.

Stay on that topic

Workch:
My definition of God is something that created everything. We have so many concepts of God that are not creators, but I'm not interested in them. I'm interested in that one that is capable of creating everything.

Stay on that topic

Your own definition of “God”? 😂😂😂

We don’t have many concepts of “God”, god is an English word that means what is “libates upon”.

Your own definition of god 😂😂

Workch:
irrespective of what you use to arrive at a god, it's something that is capable of creating what we see today.

I decided to look up the word god for perspective and clarity.

1. (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
2.
(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshipped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.
"a moon god"

I noticed you took up the Abrahamic definition, which makes me think you still have some theist thoughts lingering around.

Workch:
My definition of God is something that created everything. We have so many concepts of God that are not creators, but I'm not interested in them. I'm interested in that one that is capable of creating everything.

Stay on that topic

So not all theists thinks “god” created us, you have own specific theism.

jaephoenix:
I decided to look up the word god for perspective and clarity.

1. (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
2.
(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshipped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.
"a moon god"

I noticed you took up the Abrahamic definition, which makes me think you still have some theist thoughts lingering around.

get me right. So you don't go around what I am not really arguing for.

I don't care about all concept of gods, I don't care about the Christian God or Thor or zeus. If it's about these gods, I will be an atheists.

The particular God that is making me an agnostic is the deistic god. If you can not address this particular type of God, then you may not get anything from this argument. Whatever you say may not be relevant to me

Workch:
I don't think anything created us. I'm agnostic.
Theists think so, since I don't have evidence against it yet, I cannot outrightly reject it, especially the deistic concept.

I think that anyone who should reject it should clearly demonstrate to us with a counterevidence .

You see a chicken inside your bedroom. You didn't keep it there and your door was locked tight by you. I walk up to you and tell you that the chicken was sent by your village peeps. Would you believe me? Yes or no

Workch:
get me right. So you don't go around what I am not really arguing for.

I don't care about all concept of gods, I don't care about the Christian God or Thor or zeus. If it's about these gods, I will be an atheists.

The particular God that is making me an agnostic is the deistic god. If you can not address this particular type of God, then you may not get anything from this argument. Whatever you say may not be relevant to me

So you are an atheist to other gods but agnostic to deistic god.
Lordreed 😂

Maynman:
Your own definition of “God”? 😂😂😂

We don’t have many concepts of “God”, god is an English word that means what is “libates upon”.

Your own definition of god 😂😂

There are many concept of gods, depending on one's delusions. It's why we have amadioha, sango, yahweh etc with different attributes. I don't care about these guys.

I'm interested in demystifying the deistic god. Should I tell you bout it so you can be a bit foucs?

Workch:
My definition of God is something that created everything. We have so many concepts of God that are not creators, but I'm not interested in them. I'm interested in that one that is capable of creating everything.

Stay on that topic

Youre further deepening your hole.
You haven't proven the existence of this 'god' yet you're sure there is a creator god. Isn't it interesting?

Workch:
I don't think anything created us. I'm agnostic.
Theists think so, since I don't have evidence against it yet, I cannot outrightly reject it, especially the deistic concept.

What’s so special about the theistic or deistic claim that you can’t outrightly reject it?

What evidence do they have of this creator?

What kind of “evidence against it” do you require?

Do you treat all baseless claims like this?

Workch:
I think that anyone who should reject it should clearly demonstrate to us with a counterevidence.

Why should they present counter-evidence to something that is nonsensical or without evidence?

Don’t avoid these:
Give an example of this god “creating” anything.

Give an an example of how this god “creates”.

jaephoenix:
You see a chicken inside your bedroom. You didn't keep it there and your door was locked tight by you. I walk up to you and tell you that the chicken was sent by your village peeps. Would you believe me? Yes or no

How does this relate to the question of a god?

Dont you think that you are confused here?

Workch:
There are many concept of gods, depending on one's delusions. It's why we have amadioha, sango, yahweh etc with different attributes. I don't care about these guys.

No there are not many concepts of “god”.
God means what is libated upon.
“God” is an English word that has his origin.

What you should be asking is what qualifies a thing to be a “god”, there can not be answers because the DEFINITION OF GOD IS BASED ON BELIEF TO START WITH.

Workch:
I'm interested in demystifying the deistic god. Should I tell you bout it so you can be a bit foucs?

Why don’t we first start by knowing what “deistic” means and how the word became a notion you are using now?

Workch:
There are many concept of gods, depending on one's delusions. It's why we have amadioha, sango, yahweh etc with different attributes. I don't care about these guys.

I'm interested in demystifying the deistic god. Should I tell you bout it so you can be a bit foucs?

When you realize your delusions you will know that amadioha, sango, and yahweh are as real as your deistic god.
“Demystifying” lol

KnownUnknown:
What’s so special about the theistic or deistic claim that you can’t outrightly reject it?

What evidence do they have of this creator?

What kind of “evidence against it” do you require?

Do you treat all baseless claims like this?

nonody has been able to demystify a deistic god. Not even atheists.

Why should they present counter-evidence to something that is nonsensical or without evidence?

Don’t avoid these:
Give an example of this god “creating” anything.

Give an an example of how this god “creates”.

you should present a counter evidence because that's how science works.
It's why atheism is not scientific.
In science, once a scientist makes a hypothesis, it's really not necessarily the scientist that needs to validate it.
An example is the darwinian theory of evolution, Darwin made numerous observations and created a hypothesis, Darwin did not necessarily provide testable evidence for it. It was years after he died that other scientists validated it.
Lamarck didn't provide any evidence for his lamarckian hypothesis, scientists were testing his hypothesis for Years and then disproved it with evidence from darwin theory.

KnownUnknown:
When you realize your delusions you will know that amadioha, sango, and yahweh are as real as your deistic god.
“Demystifying” lol

They are not the same as deistic god. We can easily disprove those with evidence.
We cannot disprove a deistic god

Workch:
Does an agnostic atheist disbelieve the existence of a god?
Make it clear enough

No, I do not.

Workch:
nonody has been able to demystify a deistic god. Not even atheists.

have you ever wondered why deism is not popular?

Deism comes from Deus.
Yahweh is also a Deus.
https://www.encyclopedia.com/philosophy-and-religion/philosophy/philosophy-terms-and-concepts/deists

LordReed:
No, I do not.

if you don't disbelieve the existence of a god then how are you any kind of atheist?

Workch:
nonody has been able to demystify a deistic god. Not even atheists.

You can’t demystify it because nonsense is nonsense. You can’t make it clearer, you can’t simplify it, you can’t make it less vague because it’s nonsense.

Workch:
you should present a counter evidence because that's how science works.

This is not science. Making wild claims without evidence is not science. Wtf?

Workch:
It's why atheism is not scientific.

I don’t recall any atheists saying atheism is scientific!

Workch:
In science, once a scientist makes a hypothesis, it's really not necessarily the scientist that needs to falsify it.
An example is the darwinian theory of evolution, Darwin made numerous observations and created a hypothesis, Darwin did not necessarily provide testable evidence for it. It was years after he died that other scientists validated it.

Your claims are not science!

Don’t avoid these:
Give an example of this god “creating” anything.

Give an an example of how this god “creates”.

Workch:
They are not the same as deistic god. We can easily disprove those with evidence.
We cannot disprove a deistic god

What evidence “disproves” them but doesn’t “disprove” the deistic god?

Is this deistic god your god?

How many deistic gods do we have?

Is there a race of deistic gods just like we have a race of humans?

LordReed:
No, I do not.

Isn't God wonderful?

KnownUnknown:
What evidence “disproves” them but doesn’t “disprove” the deistic god?

Is this deistic god your god?

we have scientific fact that a human can not cause thunder, it's a fact. We don't have scientific fact as to whatever start or how the universe started. It's why a diestic God question remains very open

Workch:
we have scientific fact that a human can no curse thunder, it's a fact. We don't have scientific fact as to whatever start or how the universe started. It's why a diestic God question remains very open

Is this deistic “god” also human like the theistic “god”?

KnownUnknown:
You can’t demystify it because nonsense is nonsense. You can’t make it clearer, you can’t simplify it, you can’t make it less vague because it’s nonsense.

it's not nonsense until you disprove it. Like with evidence of how the universe started and a creator was not involved else it remains a possibility.

This is not science. Making wild claims without evidence is not science. Wtf?

in science, we make claims without evidence a lot, it's called hypothesis. Don't you know how science works?
Albert Einstein general theory of relativity was a claim for Years until proven with evidence.
Albert Einstein static universe hypothesis was a claim that we disproved with evidence.
The difference with science, is that while so many claims exist, we only make the ones we have evidence for a fact and never become close minded to those we don't have evidence for or against yet. That's why atheism is flawed and not scientific until we truly demystify deism.



[quote"]I don’t recall any atheists saying atheism is scientific!



Your claims are not science!

Don’t avoid these:
Give an example of this god “creating” anything.

Give an an example of how this god “creates”.[/quote]give me an example of a god not creating everything?

I don't have example of a god creating everything, I don't have example for a god not creating everything either.

Workch:
it's not nonsense until you disprove it. Like with evidence of how the universe started and a creator was not involved else it remains a possibility.

I don’t have to disprove anything. You make an extraordinary or nonsensical claim and I reject it outright. I don’t have to say anything but call it nonsense and it’s up to you to prove it. However, I KNOW FOR A FACT that you have no evidence and can’t prove anything because your claims are nonsense. I also know it’s utter nonsense because I can make the same wild claims and would consider you gullible or stupid for entertaining the possibility that it’s not total bullshit.

Workch:
in science, we make claims without evidence a lot, it's called hypothesis. Don't you know how science works?
Albert Einstein general theory of relativity was a claim for Years until proven with evidence.
Albert Einstein static universe hypothesis was a claim that we disproved with evidence.
The difference with science, is that while so many claims exist, we only make the ones we have evidence for a fact and never become close minded to those we don't have evidence for or against yet. That's why atheism is flawed and not scientific until we truly demystify deism.

Bla bla bla. Stop referring to science.

Workch:
give me an example of a god not creating everything?

I don't have example of a god creating everything, I don't have example for a god not creating everything either.

You don’t have an example of a leprechaun creating gods
You don’t have an example of a leprechaun not creating gods either

Workch:
if you don't disbelieve the existence of a god then how are you any kind of atheist?

Because I do not believe.

LordReed:
Because I do not believe.

lol, you are confuse