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kettykin:
Niger republic should call Nigeria bluff , Nigeria is presently in worse state with uncontrollably inflation. They should use other flight routes and also impose a no fly zone over its territory by Nigeria.

There is nothing the Nigeria military can go in a battle field besides starvation, blockade and sabotage of farm land . Rally other francophone countries to your side

Niger Republic depends heavily on Nigeria for so many basic things. The junta would find it difficult to survive for 3 months maximum.

If that General coup plotter don't respect himself and stand down he will be dragged out of his hole and given the Ghadaffi treatment. Who do you think is going to enforce the no fly zone if not the US military or you think Ecowas is just waking up from their slumber and rejecting this coup while ignoring the others. Before this ultimatum runs out President Bazoum will be back in power you can bookmark this comment.

Godwin4444:
only a fool will take that rinu serious

Someone who didn’t witness what happened during abiola crisis, buhari who got elected democratically shut down twitter they wanted to die n these are the same people who want d military to take over

They don’t understand that in military government anything goes, u can get killed for making passes at a soldier’s girlfriend

Many of them believe if military takes over everything will remain the same, they don’t even know military administrator will head every state n b in charge of everything n it could get bad that the leaders positioned to their region can b d same Fulani they hate d most n they must respect him either they like it or not

They can go on twitter n insult tinubu n nothing will happen but they also think they can do same to military

I experienced military rule wella. I was the last form 5 set and was doing my Youth Service when Abacha died

Do you remember when Babangida said only new breed politicians would be allowed to contest for elections? Reason was that the old politicians had failed the nation.

The so-called new breed are even worse than old breed of the 1st and 2nd Republic. Umaru Dikko is a kid in terms of corruption when you think of Atiku, Kanu and Tinubu-the so called new breed politicians.

New breed politicians are simply imitating the extremely corrupt ways of the Babangida,Abacha and Abdulsalaam era when fantastical looting was respectable to not only engage in but to flaunt it. They were governments who came solely to serve their own selfish interests as something righteous and acceptable and with zero fear of retribution but be feted instead.

Nigerians now accept extremely corrupt politicians and the crumbs they throw to the people as "performing." If the governor builds a road of 10bn for 60bn, no one bat's an eye at it but instead say the governor is "performing."

The Niger Delta is a mess today because Babangida and Abacha abandoned the area and instead focused on awarding themselves and their cronies oil wells for a song. One Alakija woman comes to mind who was either the fashion designer or hair dresser to a then first Lady.

Abacha rather than listen to Saro Wiwa and his cry for justice for his Ogoni kinsmen, he had the man slaughtered instead

If they had taken good care of the Niger Delta then, the present militancy which still plagues the place would be nonexistent today. They ignored the cry of marginalization in the Southsouth.

omohayek:
There's nothing illegal about soldiers betraying their oath to respect their country's constitution, and overthrowing the nation's elected leaders at gunpoint? If that isn't "illegal" in your book, I doubt anything is ...


And who keeps the army in check if it too turns out to be corrupt? I repeat, Mobutu, Bokassa, Idi Amin, Babangida, Abacha and Museveni were all military men, and all turned out to be far worse than the civilians they overthrew in the name of "fighting corruption". Keep on pretending that wearing khaki automatically confers good moral character.

Yes, because Nigeria was a paradise during the years of Decree No. 4, the killing of Dele Giwa and Abacha's reign of terror, right?


Based on what legal principle? If soldiers can suddenly decide to break their own nation's laws to install themselves in power, what legal right do they have to insist outsiders can't do the same to them?

Again and again I see the same thing from all of you defending this act of insubordination and seditious treason: you have zero understanding of the idea of universal moral principles (i.e. principles that you continue to respect even when they don't work in your personal favor), zero knowledge of even the recent history of your own country, and zero appreciation of the fact that wearing a military uniform doesn't confer good character any more than claiming to be a "prophet" stops you from cheating your followers and sleeping with their wives. You all want to have good governance delivered on a platter to you without having to do the work of keeping your elected leaders accountable through your own civic activity, so you are eager to swallow any old nonsense any bunch of power-hungry soldiers offers you about "fighting corruption", even though the track record of soldiers in Africa has been far worse than that of even the greediest civilians.

you are talking about dele giwa, what about the hundreds of unarmed protesters killed by police and army during this democratic regime. Which constitution did the army even swear to protect? the 1999 constitution? was it not the DSS that's disobeying court order. Oga what we have is far from democracy...only a fool would call this democracy. In the history of nigerian elections has there ever been a president that did not win the 4 major cities(Lagos,PHC, Abuja Kano) and that person became president inec said it would transmit results which it did but refused to do same for presidential election, and elected a president on a false result.. what is more treasonous than that Tinubu, manhood are all treasonable people and must face justice for wasting billions of dollars in tax payers monet and rigging the election.

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Niger will see shege...

Tinubu would use Economic warfare to force them to surrender

Niger is Landlocked... No seaport
A no fly zone means nothing goes in or out

Let's give them a week when hunger bites hard, and they run out of basic supplies especially petroleum products.. they would run to Abuja to discuss as they always do




.[/quote]Tell bulaba to address hunger in our land

Aboguede:
Meaning what?

Nigeria is always the leader of ecowas and the Nigerian army is larger and superior than the entire military of the rest ecowas member states put together


So if 3cowas place a no flight zoom on any member state with Nigeria at the forefront, it is mission accomplished!

Oga Nigeria should face their own unending problem first.
Killings have restarted in the North.

FasasiAkeem:
[qbuuote author=Curse777 post=124760582]


Niger will see shege...

Tinubu would use Economic warfare to force them to surrender

Niger is Landlocked... No seaport
A no fly zone means nothing goes in or out

Let's give them a week when hunger bites hard, and they run out of basic supplies especially petroleum products.. they would run to Abuja to discuss as they always do




. Tell bulaba to address hunger in our land

No go hustle dey wait for bulabula

Hear who is preaching rule of law.

Is it the same rule of law that brought you to illegitimate power?

Because the last I checked, Nigerians voted for HE Peter Obi

Curse777:
We have radar system, we have surface to air missiles

To cover the whole of Niger Republic?!
You must be a joker

Tinubu please don't lead ECOWAS into war that will destabilize the who west Africa and lead to more Islamic state. Look at lybia.

I Know that Europe and America are behind this decision by ECOWAS but please don't interfere in an independent country. ECOWAS wouldn't be able to fight Niger military.

Curse777:
Rinu Oduala was born in 1998 and barely 24 yet influences her fellow Generation who knows absolutely next to nothing about Nigeria era under ruthless dictatorship

I told one of them, if Abacha was the Head of State.. many of them would have disappeared without traces or faced firing squad..


.

Leave those children.

Curse777:



Niger will see shege...

Tinubu would use Economic warfare to force them to surrender

Niger is Landlocked... No seaport
A no fly zone means nothing goes in or out

Let's give them a week when hunger bites hard, and they run out of basic supplies especially petroleum products.. they would run to Abuja to discuss as they always do


Niger : 12,000 active service men Military and Paramilitary

Nigerian Army alone 230,000 Service men




.

Are you not cursed...see how body dey sweet you.

[quote author=LEGHEND post=124768543]Are you not cursed...see how body dey sweet you.[/quote

Your mother is cursed

Coming from a Man who has all the major thugs in Nigeria in his service

udemzyudex:
Lol.. JF-17 wey we dey use secure our air space na em dem wan use go fight for Niger? Fight wey no concern us?


Lol... What if dem shoot am down?

With what?

slimthugchimee2:
With what?

Take it there and find out yourself.

udemzyudex:
Take it there and find out yourself.

There's nothing in their arsenal that can bring down jf17

The closest thing to an air defence system they can have is a manpad that can barely do anything to it unless the pilot is a waste of space

Their Air defence system is purely AA guns that can barely do much to even an alpha jet

They have about only 14k active personal, little to no tanks

As far as they have no heavy external support, it's a war they will lose everyday, unless they decide to go the guerilla war way


But I shaa support the narrative, I feel there's no need for us wasting our young men for something wey no concern us

Watcharena:
they will only reroute their goods through mali,and Guinea b. That have military leaders currently , Nigeria should not over rate themselves

Lol who would want to transport their goods off thousands of kms of the empty, insecure Sahara??

BabaIbo:
I don't expect you to be wise, don't you know they are bordered by other countries that are not bonded by the ye ye ECOWAS?

Can ECOWAS control Libya or Mali, go back to your school and ask your geography teacher to teach you again.

If you were a business man, you would transport your goods through thousands of kms of the empty insecure Sahara

70% of your goods will perish, you'd have better chances of making money by smuggling it through Nigeria than doing that

Judolisco:
yes we have radar system... Surface to air missile from Nigeria to Niger? U dey wine?

Even d radar system sef... America flew into Nigeria conducted a rescue mission during trump era... Iswr na after dey rescue d man Nigeria knw... Ino dey doubt say we be super power 4 Africa oh... But u dey drag am 2 much

Nigeria no need SAM for any NFZ in Niger


They have a couple of mi24 and a couple of
su25
Their Air defence is nothing but AA guns

Manpads sef will be an overkill for that
Even Ghana alone is enough to put a NFZ there

What I'm trying to say in essence is that as they closed their borders and restrict flight movement, how will foreign nations intervene now talking about sending diplomats and all that

Guy go sleep! What will you say about this toh: "former colonial ruler France and the European Union have already taken action in response to the coup, suspending security cooperation and financial aid to Niger. The United States has threatened similar measures".
They can always have their way bro

read this

Curse777:
Rinu Oduala was born in 1998 and barely 24 yet influences her fellow Generation who knows absolutely next to nothing about Nigeria era under ruthless dictatorship

I told one of them, if Abacha was the Head of State.. many of them would have disappeared without traces or faced firing squad..

Infact if Abacha was still alive.

The Agabado Scammer would have lived all his life in Exile which is win win situation and the country wouldn't be in the extreme mess it is in today.

This is what I was saying in essence. It will still affect African nations

BabaIbo:
I don't expect you to be wise, don't you know they are bordered by other countries that are not bonded by the ye ye ECOWAS?

Can ECOWAS control Libya or Mali, go back to your school and ask your geography teacher to teach you again.

Agberos dey go School😂

grandstar:
I experienced military rule wella. I was the last form 5 set and was doing my Youth Service when Abacha died

Do you remember when Babangida said only new breed politicians would be allowed to contest for elections? Reason was that the old politicians had failed the nation.

The so-called new breed are even worse than old breed of the 1st and 2nd Republic. Umaru Dikko is a kid in terms of corruption when you think of Atiku, Kanu and Tinubu-the so called new breed politicians.

New breed politicians are simply imitating the extremely corrupt ways of the Babangida,Abacha and Abdulsalaam era when fantastical looting was respectable to not only engage in but to flaunt it. They were governments who came solely to serve their own selfish interests as something righteous and acceptable and with zero fear of retribution but be feted instead.

Nigerians now accept extremely corrupt politicians and the crumbs they throw to the people as "performing." If the governor builds a road of 10bn for 60bn, no one bat's an eye at it but instead say the governor is "performing."

The Niger Delta is a mess today because Babangida and Abacha abandoned the area and instead focused on awarding themselves and their cronies oil wells for a song. One Alakija woman comes to mind who was either the fashion designer or hair dresser to a then first Lady.

Abacha rather than listen to Saro Wiwa and his cry for justice for his Ogoni kinsmen, he had the man slaughtered instead

If they had taken good care of the Niger Delta then, the present militancy which still plagues the place would be nonexistent today. They ignored the cry of marginalization in the Southsouth.

I still remember vividly how Nigerians were rejoicing the day Abacha died.

All the streets were filled with Celebration. Not knowing their Woes have just started in a million folds😂

For me, the sanctions are appropriate and I'm not in support of any coup

Dey play I just pray this coup should continue across African countries. Niger will soon be enjoying the benefits therein. Infact I heard some civilians took to the street to support the junta.

For me, the sanctions are appropriate and I'm not in support of any coup[/quote]Over two years ago, Thailand’s military overthrew the civilian government — the country’s 12th coup in less than a century.

Since then, Thailand has been ruled by a military junta, the National Council for Peace and Order, which has "induced a climate of fear" and is led by a former general who has "absolute power to issue orders."

On August 7, the country held a referendum to vote on a new constitution written by the military government, which supporters say will restore stability and which critics say will just entrench military control even more.

The constitution was approved, to plenty of speculation about why an electorate would vote for a constitution that only offers them a "semi-democracy."

In light of the Thai referendum, a new note from Macquarie Research examines the potential benefits of coups — the role they play in altering a country's national trajectory, and what makes one "successful." In other words, under what circumstances a military coup and dictatorship can actually put the country on a better path than it was on before.

“Military coups can be useful circuit breakers and sometimes, they even set countries on a different developmental path,” the report says. “However, successful coup-led resets are exceptionally rare.”

The main problem is that the military seldom sets up a strong civil and economic framework, or establishes solid institutions. They don’t leave that much to work with or grow on, so it's hard to have a strong transition out of a military dictatorship.

"But as always," the researchers write, "there are exceptions." Korea, Taiwan, Chile, and, to some extent, Spain are the classic examples of countries "where military coups paved the way to a much more efficient and successful civilian administrations."

So what makes a coup successful? What does a country have to look like, what stage does it have to be in, for a military dictatorship to be able to transition into civil and democratic rule? And could Thailand get there eventually?

In an attempt to answer these questions, the Macquarie researchers have come up with six factors that tend to lead to successful coups — meaning the coups eventually led to growth and progress — looking mainly at Chile, Korea, Taiwan, and Spain.

1. Homogeneity

According to the report, Korea, Taiwan, Chile, and to a lesser extent Spain all had societies that were “essentially coherent, homogeneous, and did not have any significant racial, linguistic, or religious differences.” This is in sharp contrast to most of Africa and the Middle East — including Turkey, whose military recently attempted a coup.

2. Tradition of governance and administration

Successful coups tend to occur in countries that have a long tradition of established institutions and a long track record of governance, the report says, whether communist, fascist, or liberal. This is true of Korea, Taiwan, and Spain. In other words, it helps to already be a well-established state, instead of just being one of a “plethora of newly established states” that have no coherent institutions.

3. "Elites like to stay at home"

In successful transitions, the national elites believed they would be better off restructuring and rescuing various institutions, rather than migrating to safer countries. For example, in Korea, Taiwan, Chile, and Japan, the elites wanted to say in their own countries; but this was not true for decades in much of Latin America, Africa, and the Middle East.

4. Growing global economy and trade

Successful transitions require a supportive global environment. There’s "no doubt" that a supporting trade and capital-market environment helped countries like Korea, Taiwan, and Chile continue restructuring, the authors say — although it’s doubtful that Thailand’s going to have that same benefit in today’s economy.

5. A long transition period

These things take time. According to the Macquarie researchers, "we cannot find any successful transition that takes less than a decade to complete." Chile’s military dictatorship lasted 17 years; Korea’s lasted 14; Taiwan reverted to democratic rule in the late 1980s, but the process wasn’t complete until 1996

6. Enforcement

Restructuring “inevitably requires the need to force inhabitants of a given country to alter their behavior, which in most cases is neither welcome nor wanted,” the report states. But unlike Korean, Taiwanese, and Chilean dictators, who the researchers describe as having a “stomach for blood,” the “consensus culture in Thailand is likely to make any strong enforcement difficult.”

Evolutionlove:
I still remember vividly how Nigerians were rejoicing the day Abacha died.

All the streets were filled with Celebration. Not knowing their Woes have just started in a million folds😂

I have to be honest with you, I am apolitical.

Things are actually far better or would have been had Buhari not messed up 110%.

Those days from late 80s to the 90s, every graduate prayed for a bank job. That was the primary route to the middle class.

From 1999 -2015, there was actually discernable difference in living standards. The middle class grew and consumer loans started growing big time.

Unfortunately for the Nation, Buharis disastrous rule devastated the middle class and they are now fleeing overseas or japa as we term it in droves. It might take some years to nurse the economy back to good health.