₦airaland Forum

BlueRayDick:
Almost all scholars/historians agreed the character Jesus existed. What’s debatable was whether the miracles credited to him in the Bible happened as they were narrated or they never happened at all.

Even for the strongest supporters of the suspended governor of the Central Bank of Nigeria Godwin Emefiele is has now become clear that his tenure at the helm of affairs of the country’s apex bank was disastrous in the main.

From wherever you like at it, the recent revelations and what some raised alarm about years ago have only added to the pain and anger of well-meaning Nigerians who believe that he abused his powers and south to entrench the unorthodox policies monetary policies that have helped to ground the Nigerian economy.

But arguably, his guilt is no less than that of those who remain in office as acting or deputy governors who together with Emefiele were called the committee of governors.

As one brilliant lawyer has said, “Emefiele was not the boss of the deputy governors, he was chairman both of the committee of governors and the board of the Central Bank and they the deputy governors have considerable latitude in their respective responsibilities and by so doing they aided and abetted the serial failures of Emefiele by just keeping quiet.”

It is appropriate that the state is asking Emefiele to answer to questions about alleged malfeasance during his lengthy time as governor, but so too should the deputy governors be made to account for their time in their exalted positions.


How are the deputy governors who served under Emefiele different from the man. Just take a look at the corporate governance guideless released recently, and after Emefiele had been suspended and you will see Emefiele’s hand all over. Rather than being a corporate governance tool, the measure amounted to no more than an appeasement of those entrenched in the banking sector whose influence should be diluted.

Some of Emefiele’s detractors have said that he did not bother to ponder the consequences when he, together with Buhari, plundered Nigeria’s resources and destroyed the economy. Through the CBN’s balance sheet just released, it is now clear that Buhari , through the CBN took secret loans from international organisations like JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, and by way of FX Forwards etc. We are here talking of secret loans up to 15 billion dollars. Secret in the sense that the national assembly was not even aware of it and therefore , after the loans were received , there was no appropriation.

Buhari , Emefiele and their band just kept spending and plundering Nigeria into deeper hole. “Buhari took those secret loans and used our foreign reserves (built by past governments) as collateral. “Said one commentator. “This is in addition to other humongous loans that he took, with the approval of the ‘o yes’ national assembly, from world bank, IMF, ADB and other international financial institutions. He also took loans from countries like China, France,India , Japan and Germany. Buhari took more loans in eight years than all the loans , when added together, taken by past governments of Nigeria since our independence in 1960. Let that sink.

“He took more loans in eight years than what we took in our first 55 years as a country. And yet that was not enough for Buhari and Emefiele. It has now emerged that Emefiele printed 23 trillion Naira for Buhari to spend without any appropriation or oversight by the national assembly.

This is what has made the value of the Naira to tank. Go and read the CBN report just published and you will weep for what Buhari and Emefiele and the Central Bank that he led did to Nigeria. I hope that those who voted him (Buhari) because “Osinbajo will handle the economy” can now clap for themselves.”


There are others who also must now be regretting. Perhaps unknown to many, the same Osinbajo had plotted to ease Emefiele out while he Osinbajo was acting as President of Nigeria. The story goes that when this became known to Emefiele, he rushed to the former governor of Cross River State Donald Duke and once insider the sitting room in his Ikoyi house, the suspended governor went on the floor to plead with Duke to intercede with Osinbajo so he can keep his job.

Duke approached the then acting president. He was not alone. So too was Dr Yemi Ogunbiyi who offered kind words on behalf of Emefiele. Osinbajo reluctantly heeded their call, but not before letting the men know that they will regret pleading for the suspended governor. A man of nine lives, Emefiele got his job back, became even strong in influence, secured a rate second term and the rest is now history.

It is trite the argument that the deputy governors can be seen as saints in the mess that Emefiele left at the Central Bank. It is childish to say they the deputy governors have no stain on their garment.

According to one analyst, “the current acting governor was the deputy governor overseeing finance. He received these audited accounts over the last 6/7 years. Yet he did not insist that they be released. Even when others raised issues with him about Ways and Means and inappropriate policies, Emefiele and the deputy governors silenced them.

Truth be told, all the deputy governors who served with Emefiele are fully complicit in the mess that we find ourselves in. Recall when the Supreme Court judges (without exception) wrote a petition against the then CJ, Tanko, they risked their jobs but preserved their integrity.

“If President Bola Tinubu is serious, he should clear out the place, and re-appoint new deputy governors. After all with the financials released, a new team would be clear about ground zero, and what their starting line is.

“Did you not see the current acting governor speak the other day like Emefiele, even threatening Nigerians with a crack down on speculation. This is how Emefiele started o!! If they have a plan, they should execute. What they should be doing is to execute and not tell Nigerians about a plan. They should be trying to engender confidence in order to increase FX supply, not telling Nigerians not to make rational personal financial decisions by buying and keeping a scarce commodity.”

A former regulator who says there is nothing to praise in any of those who served with Emefiele, said, “how much of their work or lack of it has gone into putting us where we find ourselves today? As a former regulator, I know how much very real power a regulator has to affect lives.

Regulators are more powerful than ministers (and even the President in certain instances). Their yes or no or their inaction has real consequences for us all as we can all see today. The CBN balance sheet tells a terrible story. If it were a simple limited liability company and you were a shareholder being told that your reserves have been so eroded by current and contingent liabilities that your net reserve position is close to zero; and the directors never issued a warning; wouldn’t you be calling your lawyers by now?” According to him, “would you say nothing should be done just because one of the directors dresses sharply and speaks correct English?”


Given that the acting governor and his erstwhile colleagues were board members of the CBN, they must have contributed to debates on the various policies of the bank, served on sub committees and there is as yet no record of a written disagreement with Emefiele or his wayward policy interventions.

Was it that they were oblivious of the unfavorable economic decisions of Emefiele and was it that they unaware of the dangerous impact of the multiple windows for forex? Were they not aware of the privileged few who benefitted from the illegal allocations from the CBN and sat in the comfort of their homes selling or round tripping forex? Did they see the audited accounts of the CBN which have now been made public. What did they do?

Was there any warning to from the deputy governors to the Governor by any or all of them personally or jointly? If yes, what happened? If no, why not? Where they not afraid of losing their juicy appointments into committees or not being in the good books of Emefiele as the Emperor of CBN? In all this, whose interests did they serve as deputy governors under Emefiele, the National interest or personal interests? Did they compromise their oath of office?

Ibime:
The day dem open Dangote nyash for roundtripping ehn. Allegations done dey.come out small small. He is Nigerias biggest recipient of welfare

https://www.nairaland.com/7810204/tinubu-receives-petition-against-dangote

BlueRayDick:
Na wa o, I just hope this petition will not only be used to nail Emefiele alone if the allegations are found to be true. Dangote group too needs to face the music for aiding and abetting/being beneficiary of economic sabotage.

Omo! So Emefiele was chasing shadows all those times he was calling out Aboki Fx , while he’s illegally supplying dollars that were taken out of the country and never to be returned into the system but to Dangote’s purse. Hey God! 😭

afrodoc2:
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Then you don't envy yourself.

Trying to debate with that fellow is an exercise in futility.

Josephus and Tacitus who confirmed the historicity of Jesus were not Christians. One was a Judaist and the other was a Roman who worshipped Roman gods. The historicity of Jesus is different from confirmation of Jesus' claims.

It is also very ridiculous to claim that the Romans who persecuted Christians for 300 years before the reigns of Constantine and Theodosious were the ones who created Jesus. What kind of sophistry is that?

A001:
Anyone that does an independent research on this issue would realize Jesus Christ is simply a creation of Romans. You don't have to be an Einstein to reach this simple conclusion.

The Romans took the history of a real person, Yeshua (note the 'eshu' at the center; it's there for a key reason), who had existed in the pre-Homo Erectus era and again in the Homo Erectus era. These Romans removed many key details about him and rewrote his history as a white man for their campaign to rule the world.

All the so-called supernatural abilities of Jesus were natural abilities of the human species that existed in those eras. Nothing special. All the accounts of miracles are tricks and illusions, which magicians do routinely in modern times, and dem don cast.

Nothing special about your Jesus. A pure Roman creation.

On a rare occasion, I can use the word "Jesus" here when talking about real humans to avoid unnecessary, time-wasting arguments.

But as a matter of fact, Jesus should be mentioned among other fictional characters such as superman, batman, and co.

liveLongNprospa:
First crime was using form A instead of form M as stated.
Now were interests me is the rates at which he got the dollars, are they accusing him of getting dollars at a lower rate than cbn gives to the public or what? This is the part that interests me

Spy360:
There are many non-biblical references for the historical Jesus. You can check Wikipedia.

afrodoc2:
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Then you don't envy yourself.

Trying to debate with that fellow is an exercise in futility.

Josephus and Tacitus who confirmed the historicity of Jesus were not Christians. One was a Judaist and the other was a Roman who worshipped Roman gods. The historicity of Jesus is different from confirmation of Jesus' claims.

It is also very ridiculous to claim that the Romans who persecuted Christians for 300 years before the reigns of Constantine and Theodosious were the ones who created Jesus. . What kind of sophistry is that?

BlueRayDick:
Almost all scholars/historians agreed the character Jesus existed. What’s debatable was whether the miracles credited to him in the Bible happened as they were narrated or they never happened at all.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Pls mention the historians & their primary historical source?

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Josephus account about jesus was a "Secondary Source" not primary historical source or an eyewitness accout. There is absolutely no primary evidence abt the existence of Jesus. The jewish traitor called Josephus was brought as a prisoner of war..gained his freedom, acquired Roman citizen & became a Roman military leader before he started writing abt an imaginary Jesus who lived & died hundreds of decade ago b4 he was born. His sentiments/bias are well recorded.


Abi na Tacitus, just like Josephus he too relied on secondary source. Tacitus was a Roman historian & Senator. Pls what was the official religion of the Roman Empire??

BlueRayDick:
What they are saying is that He used form A to access FX knowing fully well whatever he's using the FX to pay for would not contribute anything to our economy. The FX he accessed goes abroad and contributes to the economy of the foreign country with little or nothing coming to us here.

We really mess up voting Buhari an SSCE holder who never engaged in setting up a business venture after leaving the army; hoping he will supervise economic prosperity for this country. The man doesn't even understand anything

liveLongNprospa:
Lmao.. Interesting.
Now what I'm trying to understand is this, say he accessed that fx right and he paid back like Meffy said, doesn't that mean he has returned whatever was given to him? Or did he pay back in naira?

Spy360:
Please tell me, am I expected to believe you or the numerous scholars and historians all over the world who have said he is a real person? Should I believe you or them?

BlueRayDick:
What primary source are u asking for ? Like u want the account of someone who lived over 2000 years ago and is still alive today to recount the story ?

Spy360:
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OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Are u saying there was no writers/historian/geographers during the period that Jesus existed?

BlueRayDick:
All those letters Saul of Tarsus was writing to Ephesians , Galatians and other peoples; I guess that doesn’t make him a writer/historian ?

Even those that wrote after him around that same period , are they not historians ? Some of their ancient scrolls were verified .

So what primary source are u actually looking for?

A001:
I should leave my work and the books I'm writing and be sleeping and waking up on Nairaland then as a jobless person.

Some of the information I put here are things I sacrificed a lot to learn in rare books and traveled to villages to learn from old people and see if it's possible to "see things for myself".

So, unless it's absolute necessary for me to discuss some topics extensively, I'd rather discuss some subjects in my papers and books.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Bible is not a primary source abt d existence of Jesus. The fake book wey dem don rewrite, revise, modify, subtract & add hw many times?

BlueRayDick:
Those letters written by Saul of Tarsus have been confirmed to be authentic by historians . Scholars of antiquity verified these things .

Ibime:
The day dem open Dangote nyash for roundtripping ehn. Allegations done dey.come out small small. He is Nigerias biggest recipient of welfare

https://www.nairaland.com/7810204/tinubu-receives-petition-against-dangote

BlueRayDick:
If I decide to engage u beyond 2 to 4 posts on this matter now, u will insult me a little and then drop ur usual escape route line “ I don’t have time for silly arguments”

For a guy who prides himself to be a scientist and researcher , sincerely u write as one who is incapable of putting his ideas out there in a civil manner .

I don’t envy those who try to have civil discussions with u offline

sod09:
He claims he travels to villages to get information
Yet historians are lying jesus existed
🤣🤣

Ibime:
The day dem open Dangote nyash for roundtripping ehn. Allegations done dey.come out small small. He is Nigerias biggest recipient of welfare

https://www.nairaland.com/7810204/tinubu-receives-petition-against-dangote

BlueRayDick:
Na wa o, I just hope this petition will not only be used to nail Emefiele alone if the allegations are found to be true. Dangote group too needs to face the music for aiding and abetting/being beneficiary of economic sabotage.

Omo! So Emefiele was chasing shadows all those times he was calling out Aboki Fx , while he’s illegally supplying dollars that were taken out of the country and never to be returned into the system but to Dangote’s purse. Hey God! 😭