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MaxInDHouse:
What's the lie here?...

Dtruthspeaker:
Meaning, you don lie before and you dey normally lie, so you don prove my case finish. hehehehe. And case don finish

preciousee17:
After typing a bundle of false interpretations, you are saying Shalom? Shalom for what? That's a parting statement but I'm not going anywhere yet!


Start misinterpreting the Bible more often so that we'll be sure that you all are intentional about all these.

Who said that Jesus is equal to God? Me?
Jesus is everything that God is, and The Holy Spirit is the same as well. That's the kind of equality I would mean if I say that He is indeed equal. One there means Unity, Unity means One. Agreement is not One-ness.

What do we mean by oneness?
unity of thought, feeling, belief, aim, etc.; agreement; concord. a strong feeling of closeness or affinity; union: He feels a oneness with God.
Oneness Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com
www.dictionary.com › browse › oneness"


Confused LYING TRINITARIAN exposed

preciousee17:
Okay, it means, God the Senior, Elder of Jesus?
Why do you keep avoiding that Pater has a higher possibility of representing the literal Father? Even when you're seeing it in that screenshot?
I wonder how you'll interpret John 3:16...

Janosky:
" What do we mean by oneness?
unity of thought, feeling, belief, aim, etc.; agreement; concord. a strong feeling of closeness or affinity; union: He feels a oneness with God.
Oneness Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com
www.dictionary.com › browse › oneness"
Confused LYING TRINITARIAN exposed

Dtruthspeaker:
Offu Point! Even though "our God" has already explained that He acts under the Authority of His Father, john 5:30. But this is offu Point!

This POLYTHEIST says him polytheist God is under the authority of his Father, another God.
DSpeaker Worships Father God who have Higher Authority over DSpeaker's other God, his son.

MaxInDHouse:
I have discovered that the more they're trying to uphold their trinity the more confused they are among themselves.
If you call members of the whole 41,000+ churches to speak about their God not even two will agree on what their God stands for yet they are agitating over what Jehovah's Witnesses believe!

preciousee17:
I always wonder, the Son of a Lion is a Lion, but the Son of God isn't qualified to be God...

preciousee17:
No wonder God was saying, “Let US make man in OUR own likeness.”
Maybe God was talking to Himself or something....

preciousee17:
You've started this your one-sentence argument again?
You are quoting one line of a prayer without acknowledging that it is a prayer?

Lemme help other readers,
After Jesus had prayed for His Disciples, he later prayed for every Believer in general saying,
“My prayer is not for them (My disciples) alone.
I pray also for those who will believe in Me through their (disciples) message, that all of them (believers) may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you.
May they (believers) also be in US so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One— I in them and You in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as You have loved me. “Father, I want those you have given me to be with Me where I am, and to see My glory, the glory You have given me because You[b] loved me before the creation of the world[/b]. “Righteous Father, though the world does not know You, I know You, and they know that You have sent me. I have made You known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love You have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”

One Jehovah Witness guy now says that we the disciples were already One with God...
(Although we all will be, one day, just like Christ Jesus)

Janosky:
This POLYTHEIST says him polytheist God is under the authority of his Father, another God.
DSpeaker Worships Father God who have Higher Authority over DSpeaker's other God, his son.

Janosky:
TRINITARIAN guy man wan use fallacy prop up his doctrine.

God begets another being called Jesus Christ his Son.
Did the Lion beget himself?


Hebrews 1:2 God created the universe through His son."
"Let us make man",is God's statement to his son, spoken in the presence of angels in the spiritual realm who celebrated God's creation of man,Job 38:4-7.
God created angels before man's creation, therefore they knew & saw God made man.



Jesus Christ said in Preciouslee quote:
"May they (believers) also be in US so that the world may believe that you have sent me"

You don't want Jesus Christ to say that truth?
Please delete that portion from your Bible nau.[/b]

God created the universe through His son."

Janosky:
According to Jesus Christ @ John 3:16, did God the Father have only begotten Son in the spiritual realm?

Janosky:
According to Jesus Christ @ John 3:16, did God the Father have only begotten Son in the spiritual realm?

Janosky:
" What do we mean by oneness?
unity of thought, feeling, belief, aim, etc.; agreement; concord. a strong feeling of closeness or affinity; union: He feels a oneness with God.
Oneness Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com
www.dictionary.com › browse › oneness"


Confused LYING TRINITARIAN exposed

preciousee17:
I believe the argument can never end until one party decides to shun Pride and verify every interpretation of the scriptures before posting.

Hence, my last comment. A compilation from my other comments.
(Though it's my last, any JW who wishes should answer all my questions in one quote if you wish to quote this comment, and I'll ponder on your answers.)

To all those humans arguing to and fro with JWs... I wonder if you're trying to convince them that they should worship Jesus, meanwhile they already have eyes to read the Bible but refused to do so and only accept their preacher's definition.

You are asking the same question that Muslims ask, “Where in the Bible did Jesus say that we should worship Him?”.
Question 1: See how you look similar to Muslims?
Question 2: Where in the Bible did Jesus exactly say that He is not God?

... The moment you realize that 'God' actually tells us that we MUST surely worship Jesus one day, like it or not!...

God first of all speaks through Prophet Isaiah saying,
“By Myself I have sworn, My mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked:
Before Me every knee will bow; by Me every tongue will swear. They will say of Me, ‘In the Lord alone are deliverance and strength.’ ””

We understand that in our own way, but note that God says 'By Him' every tongue will swear (Confess).

Let's move to where Paul reinterpreted that statement to the Philippians,
“Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the Name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in Heaven and on Earth and under the Earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”

Question 3: Can we agree with Paul?
Question 4: That God says we will bow at the mention of the name of Jesus?
Question 5: Bow to who?
Question 6: Are we to mention Jesus' name and bow to God or what?
Question 7: Are we to call Jesus our Lord, our Number One Authority?
Question 8: Wait, God was tired of being our Master? And told us to call Jesus, 'Master' (Lord)?
Question 9: Have you seen that God is comfortable and takes Glory in the whole idea?
Question 10: Wait who even said all these in the first place? Isn't it God Almighty through Isaiah?

Remember, through Isaiah, God said that by Himself every knee will bow...
And according to Paul, by the name of Jesus every knee will bow...
Question 11: Does this mean that Jesus is also the same as 'Himself' in the book of Isaiah?
Question 12: Does this mean that Jesus is also One with God?

Question 13: Does my explanation agree with John 10:30, “I and My Father are One.”

Question 14: Does my explanation compliment Genesis 1 and John 1, “And God said, let US make man in Our own likeness”, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made — that has been made. In Him was Life, and that Life was the Light of all mankind.”?

Question 15: Does God change?
If no, then, John 14:6, Jesus says, “No one comes to the Father except through Me”

Question 16: How were the people of the Old Testament accessing God? (Remember John 14:6 up there)

Exodus 3:14-15, God said to Moses, “I am who I am. “Say to the Israelites, ‘I am who I am, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ “This is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation.”

John 13:19, Jesus said, “I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.”

Now, it should be noted that in the Old Testament, the statement in BOLD has often been replaced with LORD or GOD and capitalized.
But nevertheless,

Question 17: How come Jesus and God both speaking address themselves as, “I am who I am”? (Aka YHWH or Yahweh in Hebrew translation. No wonder people were rushing to try and stone Jesus when He said, “Before Abraham, I Am”)

Question 18: Why is it that most times, in the original languages of the Bible, the pronouns used when God spoke were always plural not singular as our translators have put it? (If you know, you know)

PS: When we sleep, the heart also agrees that the body should sleep but will still play it's part by pumping blood constantly. That's how Unity and Agreement works.

It doesn't mean the heart will also sleep because it is in Unity with the body and must Agree to do anything that the body is doing.

That's also how the body of Christ works, we should all be in Christ as one and must Agree to play our role.

That's also how the Godhead works, God Almighty, Jesus and The Spirit of God are all in themselves and play their role to achieve the Will Of God.

Have wisdom, and have very much of it.
Dtruthspeaker

preciousee17:
Here, I also have a Greek Dictionary:
Greek: πατήρ
Transliteration: patēr
Pronunciation: pat-ayr'
Definition: Apparently a primary word; a father (literally or figuratively near or more remote): - father parent.
KJV Usage: Father (268x), father (150x).
Occurs: 419
In verses: 372

From your screenshot, we see that Pater could mean a literal Father too (or a figurative Father, just as my dictionary has further clarified), but you totally distanced yourself from the interpretation of God as Jesus' Father and accept God as Jesus' Elder/Senior...
So judge with me, who is denying and rejecting the Holy Scriptures?

By the way, I really hope that you aren't running away from the other things I said in my reply to you!

preciousee17:
Okay, it means, God the Senior, Elder of Jesus?
Why do you keep avoiding that Pater has a higher possibility of representing the literal Father? [/b]Even when you're seeing it in that screenshot?
I wonder how you'll interpret John 3:16...

preciousee17:
You've beaten about the bush with this your Pater mistranslation, and it seems to me that you're doing that on purpose — just as your brother Max started mistranslating the word JUDGE after I had given him some scriptures to feed on.
So let me make it easier for us both, if you can't address the complete points in my reply, then we end this BULLSHIT! How can I be going to and fro on the idea that Pater means Father!? Simply because you chose not to accept it even when you are showing it to me by yourself?

If you can't vindicate yourself completely in this reply of mine, then don't bother me with your Pater translations

Preciouslee WAILING upandan.
Your Father is not your mate,in the same manner Jesus Christ is NOT whatever his Father is"

Exodus 6:3 KJV, Jehovah is God Almighty.
@ Isaiah 9:6, is Jesus Christ Almighty God?

Dtruthspeaker:
Offu Point. No one asked you devil and we all know that you are a liar like your father Satan.

preciousee17:
Truly, as someone says, “There's no valid argument against the Truth”

It's amazing that the only you guys can make a valid point is to first misquote someone (lol).

I wonder where I said that God begat Himself...
Oh, you've finally agreed that Jesus is God's son? No longer the Senior Elder rubbish that you were insinuating? Cos I was really wondering why you refused to call the son of a Lion, a Lion... Instead you decide to call Him a Junior Subordinate

What sort of GIBBERISH is this coming from you?
Is your Father your senior?
Preciouslee,Abeg receive SENSE

preciousee17:
Okay let's move back to your circle... When God say, “Let US create create man in OUR own likeness”, He was talking to Angels?
That means US and OUR refers to Angels.
That means that God and Angels were creating man (...Let US make man...)
But you just finished saying that
Which is to say that The God's Son created Man and the Universe.

So now let me paint what you've said to you again...
According to one JW, God said in the midst of His Angels, Let US (God and Angels) create man in our image but then one Son (probably Jesus) started creating Man... Instead of the Angels
You're only reading words in the Bible, I wish you try to understand

Genesis 1:1, did God create heaven before the earth?
Who are dwellers in heaven created by God?

Job 38:4-7, did God tell Job that angels applauded the creation of man by God?
Job 38:4-7,is God teaching you that Angels existed before man's creation?

Why are you WAILING about Genesis 1:26?

God spoke the words "Let us make man," to His Son Jesus Christ. Hebrews 1:2 is the evidence.

@ Revelation 22:16, is Jesus Christ a morning star?
Preciouslee, which morning Star did God Almighty not create?

Did God Almighty Father create the morning Stars @ Job 38:4-7?

Job 38:4-7, do I have to remind you that "morning Stars" are angels?

Go & study your Bible very well & Stop DECEIVING YOURSELF.

preciousee17:
New question from the thin air.
Who said that God has only one Son? Are we not sons of God?

preciousee17:
New question from the thin air.
Who said that God has only one Son at all, physical and spiritual? Are we not sons of God? Are Angels not Sons of God?

preciousee17:
By the way, don't shy away, explain John 3:16 with your Senior Elder insinuation

preciousee17:
Now I need to teach you grammar and religion combined? Haiyaa!

You searched the meaning of [b]ONENESS, and you've seen that Agreement is a product of Oneness. Not the exact definition.
Meanwhile I was saying ever since that Unity is Oneness (as your dictionary has proven), and Agreement is not the same as Unity!
[/b]
Let me help you. Search the meaning of Agreement and Unity side-by-side and drop screenshot from the same dictionary, then search 'What is the difference between Agreement and Unity' and drop a screenshot too. Your likes abuse Google.

Just for a random passerby:
All the organs/parts of your body are in Unity with each other, together they give you one body.
They have their role to play, and agree, not to do everything together, but to do things in a way that will yield the expected results that the body desires.

Ex.: When we sleep, the heart also agrees that the body should sleep but will still play it's part by pumping blood constantly. That's how Unity and Agreement works.

It doesn't mean the heart will also sleep because it is in Unity with the body and must Agree to do anything that the body is doing.

That's also how the body of Christ works, we should all be in Christ as one and must Agree to play our role.

That's also how the Godhead works, God Almighty, Jesus and The Spirit of God are all in themselves and play their role to achieve the Will Of God.

Please Read the SCREENSHOTS PROVEN evidences.


Confused TRINITARIAN deluded by TRINITY

Janosky:
John 20:17 is lies to faithless miscreants like DSpeaker.