₦airaland Forum

Parachoko:
Show evidence the People of Niger Republic dethroned the former president.

The evidence is their solidarity with the juntas...

Or have u not heard the people support them?

Even ECOWAS confirmed this, saying Niger people are unaware of the calamity they're chosing

alabler:
How did the EU come up with their" independent" report when only less than 50 official came to monitor 176,000 polling unit!

Rather they resulted to chilling in their hotels and relied on amplified false online narrative and skewed partisan local media reporting to develop their so called EU "independent" report.

So those live videos of mc oluomo threatening, destruction of ballot boxes and voters intimidation were all false??

Self deceit is a worse disease

Morphinne:
Meaning that you don’t even know what a sovereign state is. A human society that has a legally chosen supreme head and a system/mechanism for choosing such leaders without external influence/intervention is called sovereign. Niger republic seized to be a sovereign state the day soldiers left their barracks to assume control of a legally elected government. These coupists get mind sha They will only end up giving France and the western world the right excuse to militarily colonize Niger. Never give your stronger enemy the chance to justify dealing with you.
Niger should thread carefully, the man in the center of this controversy should be protected because France or any other interested party may even kill him to justify invading Niger. In all that you do, always use your head, militarily, Niger has no chance against Nigeria let alone France

Na your own oluwole definition be that, the Russia invasion you once supported against Ukraine is what?? Go invade niger nau.

MySolace:
The evidence is their solidarity with the juntas...

Or have u not heard the people support them?

Even ECOWAS confirmed this, saying Niger people are unaware of the calamity they're chosing

The Juntas banned every form of protest after dey took over power.

Only people protesting in their support are allowed to Protest.

This nah common sense matter guy

There was no form of protest by Nigeriens for the Government to be dissolved before the military took over.

The Protest are sponsored by the Juntas

leokid866:
Oga you're spiraling and I'm done with you.....at no point in our entire back and fourth did I bring it local, mention anything about Tinubu, take sides with France or give a flying f#ck what Niger decides to do with their power structure.....all I've tried to explain is what I understand as the sovereignty of a nation as I was taught.....something you and many others had a hard time understanding.....but that's okay.....stay Blessed

Well, whoever taught you, taught you wrong. He's a poor student of history and so are you.
Saddam Hussein was military ruler of Iraq for so many years and was one installed with the help of US. So was Hosni Mubarak of Egypt. Both men's sovereignty was never challenged by any country while they held sway, brutal at they were.
The bottom line is interest in international politics.
If a govt is well aligned with the interest of western powers, they are ready to overlook every illegal and inhuman acts of such govt but, once they begin to feel the govt is no longer on their good side, they begin to find means of delegitimizing them so as to kick them out. That's what is playing in Niger and it has nothing to do with sovereignty or not.
It is interesting that both Hussein and Gaddafi were eventually ousted by western powers after years of ruling with their support. What changed?
It is even more bewildering that they left both states destabilised, terrorised and weak till today.
The question you should ask yourself is if both Libya and Iraq cut a genuine picture of a sovereign state today.
The answer is surely NO.

zumbigbo:
Full of talk, go to Niamey and speak with them. Dem go place your head on top of a pike.

Mumu i no be ipob terrorist wey dey support failures

Kukutente23:
You people just keep coming up with different silly opinions as if they are facts. All the years Nigeria was under military rule, why didn't Niger or Ghana invade us on the grounds of regional stability? You have your own customs to protect your borders so nothing concerns you with your neighbor's affairs.

@bolded just showed how ineptly warped your international political knowledge is, my friend. There’s something called regional power and I’m glad to educate you today that Nigeria is a regional powerhouse in this part of Africa. The same reason why the USA can meddle into Latin Americans internal politics while they dare not replicate the same is the reason why Nigeria can and must get involved in whatever is going on in the subregion for the sake of stability.
Again, those people Abdulsalami Abubakar and others went to meet in Niger are not legitimately elected leaders but I know all these wouldn’t make sense to you since everyone who dares to not think like you is definitely a Tinubu’s boy
Again I maintain the fact that no European country will ever experience a military coup again in this century though I can’t speak much for the Southeastern Europeans like Bosnia, Cyprus and Greece etc.
As a regional leader in this bloc, it will be grossly irresponsible and cowardly ( ipobs are the only cowards afraid of the possibility of a war) to fold our arms and let illegality persist like nothing is happening. All of a sudden, coup is now an acceptable act to some people and think you are normal? Chinedu, no, you’re not

Parachoko:
The Juntas banned every form of protest after dey took over power.

Only people protesting in their support are allowed to Protest.

This nah common sense matter guy

There was no form of protest by Nigeriens for the Government to be dissolved before the military took over.

The Protest are sponsored by the Juntas

Uncle, u don't need to b in Niger to protest against d Juntas... Ordinarily it's usually so, ok.

Nigeriens in Diaspora can join forces, form movements, etc and exact their demands.

Nigeria also passed through dis same route... There were several voices, movements, da spoke against d military regime. The call was so loud. Some even chose to go on exile just to make their voices heard. Can u say same thing of Niger? Honestly No!

Until then, Nigeriens support the Juntas!

Were u in Niger to know they never was tired of their former government?

Also, because Nigerians don't protest yet makes u think we're even getting it right? Or u think I would be bewildered if such military intervention happens in Nigeria?

Morphinne:
Meaning that you don’t even know what a sovereign state is. A human society that has a legally chosen supreme head and a system/mechanism for choosing such leaders without external influence/intervention is called sovereign. Niger republic seized to be a sovereign state the day soldiers left their barracks to assume control of a legally elected government. These coupists get mind sha They will only end up giving France and the western world the right excuse to militarily colonize Niger. Never give your stronger enemy the chance to justify dealing with you.
Niger should thread carefully, the man in the center of this controversy should be protected because France or any other interested party may even kill him to justify invading Niger. In all that you do, always use your head, militarily, Niger has no chance against Nigeria let alone France

Plz ur definition of sovereign state doesn't cohere with the situation in Niger.

Sovereign simply means, without external influence.

So, the juntas, are they from the moon? Are they not Nigeriens? It's just an internal issue and has nothing to do with their sovereignty.

ECOWAS intervention is rather trying to even trample upon the sovereignty of Niger.

Ozommadu:
Na your own oluwole definition be that, the Russia invasion you once supported against Ukraine is what?? Go invade niger nau.

Chinedu, the Russian invasion of Ukraine was to maintain stability in the region by asking Ukraine not to form alliance with Westerners just the same way the US threatened to use nuclear missile on Cuba if the Latin country dared to allow Russia have a base on their soil.
Funnily, the Russians and Wagners that you once condemned have now become your messiah just because they are seemingly not in support of the man you don’t like (Tinubu)

MySolace:
Uncle, u don't need to b in Niger to protest against d Juntas... Ordinarily it's usually so, ok.

The Juntas in Niger Republic is an illegal one, is the reason the French is not listening to them.

The Juntas Government in Niger is illegal

MySolace:
Plz ur definition of sovereign state doesn't cohere with the situation in Niger.

Sovereign simply means, without external influence.

So, the juntas, are they from the moon? Are they not Nigeriens? It's just an internal issue and has nothing to do with their sovereignty.

ECOWAS intervention is rather trying to even trample upon the sovereignty of Niger.

@bolded, you will find that in my definition sir. Again, Niger seized from being a sovereign state the day their democratically elected government got toppled. External intervention would have been seen as undermining of the democratic value of a sovereign state if externals are getting themselves involved in their affairs while the legitimate leader is still in power. And no sir, ECOWAS intervention is necessary to forestall events that could lead our subregion into chaos and you will agree with me that they are being careful about it for the sake of the citizens otherwise they would have leveled the country to the ground.

Morphinne:
Chinedu, the Russian invasion of Ukraine was to maintain stability in the region by asking Ukraine not to form alliance with Westerners just the same way the US threatened to use nuclear missile on Cuba if the Latin country dared to allow Russia have a base on their soil.
Funnily, the Russians and Wagners that you once condemned have now become your messiah just because they are seemingly not in support of the man you don’t like (Tinubu)

Stop deviating...is Ukraine not a sovereign state??

Ozommadu:
Stop deviating...is Ukraine not a sovereign state??

Uzuor, no be you first bring the Ukraine invasion story?
You talked about Ukraine and I schooled you.

Great0ne1:
Because the west is using the druggie in ado rock to fight and impose sanctions on nigeriens public. Do you actually think that the sanctions will get at the junta leaders?

Little or not at all. But it will force the citizens to start resenting them gradually. . The citizens will start comparing the hardships during their regime with the toppled one. That's always the aim of sanctions

obyno82:
In what way? Oga go and sit down and stop spreading falsehood.

Lol. You are not up to date. Even here on Nairaland, we dey read the news of the lamentations of their citizens. You think military regime is a friendly govt? The world doesn't want military as rulers anymore.
https://www.nairaland.com/7816498/nigeriens-challenge-military-junta-amid

Morphinne:
Uzuor, no be you first bring the Ukraine invasion story?
You talked about Ukraine and I schooled you.

Why do you keep avoiding my question? Is Ukraine not a sovereign nation??

Keep your empty schooling to yourself and answer my straight forward question.

Morphinne:
@bolded, you will find that in my definition sir. Again, Niger seized from being a sovereign state the day their democratically elected government got toppled. External intervention would have been seen as undermining of the democratic value of a sovereign state if externals are getting themselves involved in their affairs while the legitimate leader is still in power. And no sir, ECOWAS intervention is necessary to forestall events that could lead our subregion into chaos and you will agree with me that they are being careful about it for the sake of the citizens otherwise they would have leveled the country to the ground.

I didn't say ur definition is wrong, I said it doesn't go with d definition of wots happening in Niger. Niger is just facing internal crisis.

A sovereign state has the legal/social right to run their political affairs without external influence. I mean, if Niger people choose to practice military govt, it doesn't take away their sovereignty.

ECOWAS shouldn't dictate the form of government sovereign states should adopt.

Also, if ECOWAS are being fair enough, their intervention should start with Burkina Faso and other nations da took same route. Why flex muscle over Niger? ...Niger would see it as insult and sheer intimidation. U really don't think so?

leokid866:
the pipeline is to move large volumes of oil and gas to Europe without having to onload and off load through vessels and co......like connecting hose to your tap so your neighbor can fetch water.....and the US can't do it cause they don't have our Crude oil grade type and most of the oil they trade in comes from refining crude from countries like Nigeria.....

In an attempt to prove that you are informed, you are displaying more and more ignorance

Parachoko:
The Juntas in Niger Republic is an illegal one, is the reason the French is not listening to them.

The Juntas Government in Niger is illegal

Oh, u think military coup never happened in Nigeria aswell
So, wot happened when Buhari took over power from Nigerian civilian government under the rule of Shehu Shagari in 198 and ruled from 1983 to 1985...?

Was the den Buhari regime not recognized as a legitimate govt? Did it take away Nigeria sovereignty? Not atol!

Morphinne:
@bolded, you will find that in my definition sir. Again, Niger seized from being a sovereign state the day their democratically elected government got toppled

Who told you that?

Where did you get that?

Did Nigeria seize to become a sovereign state on each occasion of a military takeover?

Did any country that experienced military rule cease to become a sovereign state just because of military takeover?

Morphinne:
Meaning that you don’t even know what a sovereign state is. A human society that has a legally chosen supreme head and a system/mechanism for choosing such leaders without external influence/intervention is called sovereign. Niger republic seized to be a sovereign state the day soldiers left their barracks to assume control of a legally elected government. (

Egypt is under military rule for almost it's entire modern history. Does that mean it is not a sovereign state?

How does a country being under military rule exempt ot from being a sovereign state?

What do you mean by "supreme head"? Is there any country that "legally" has a supreme head?

If you say a country must have "a legally supreme head", why then must there be a "system/mechanism for choosing such leaders" when the leader is supreme?

What has having a legally or illegally chosen "supreme head" got to do with sovereignty of a country?

How does the mode by which the leader of a country determine its sovereignty?

FreeStuffsNG:
France is right!

Niger coupists have lule pii . The disgrace of these coupists will teach the other impostors that they will not be tolerated. If you want power, remove uniform and go form or join a political party and canvass for votes to win an election and legitimacy in a democracy.

The moment those who jinxed Mr Obi, Mr Nnamdi Kanu, GEJ, Alhaji Atiku, Trump, Wagner etc with their bad luck of support started supporting the coupists, I knew they have been jinxed. Nobody or no organisation this unpatriotic bitter people support ever succeeds. Check my signature for free stuffs!

I keep asking what has democratic rule offered Africa but poverty while they keep enriching themselves and their children unborn in the name of democracy.

MySolace:
Oh, u think military coup never happened in Nigeria aswell
So, wot happened when Buhari took over power from Nigerian civilian government under the rule of Shehu Shagari in 198 and ruled from 1983 to 1985...?

Was the den Buhari regime not recognized as a legitimate govt? Did it take away Nigeria sovereignty? Not atol!

I don't even understand what your argument is all about sef.

We are in 2023, enough of military coup in Africa.

Even after all the military rule in the past, it didn't turn Africa to an El-dorado.

Any soldier that feels he has what it takes should resign and join a political party and contest in an election.

The man that was removed by the juntas defeated an incumbent president in an election, he didn't force himself on the people of Niger.

The job of the military is not to take over Government. We are not even suppose to be having this discussion sef. Is so stupid for anybody to still be defending an Illegitimate Government at this time and age.

Oluwaseunomo:
Mumu i no be ipob terrorist wey dey support failures

Your Papa will now what a failure looks like.

Parachoko:
I don't even understand what your argument is all about sef.

We are in 2023, enough of military coup in Africa.

Even after all the military rule in the past, it didn't turn Africa to an El-dorado.

Any soldier that feels he has what it takes should resign and join a political party and contest in an election.

The man that was removed by the juntas defeated an incumbent president in an election, he didn't force himself on the people of Niger.

The job of the military is not to take over Government. We are not even suppose to be having this discussion sef. Is so stupid for anybody to still be defending an Illegitimate Government at this time and age.

How did u know d man defeated d den incumbent justly?
Oh, as if there's no mago-mago in democracy?

Why should democracy b a mandated form of govt to start wit?

Also, if ECOWAS is being fair with tackling military Juntas, dey should start with Burkina Faso. Dats just double standard! Why spare other coupist? Why Niger?

There's no fairness in the activities of ECOWAS, dats my point. Also, democracy might be good, but never the best form of government in dis part of the world where over 50% of people are uninformed and uneducated. How can an uninformed person make an informed decisions? How can dey choose their leaders and possibly follow up in there govt?
Just like in Nigeria, most people see electoral positions as tribal fight and dominance, even the so-called educated ones. Dis part of the worldA is too divided and uneducated to practice sound democracy.
We also have civilian Juntas in our democracy, dey practically swindle and avert justice. Dey subdue others using their wealth and force(military/police).

Why should inec openly faulter their own rule and ask us to go to Court? Democracy is nonsense in this part of the world.

In America, dey don't look at ur face o, even small boy can challenge d president tactfully and nothing happens. No matter ur status or socially or politically, u don't mess with d law. But here, it's just classless society.

MySolace:
How did u know d man defeated d den incumbent justly?

An Election he won after 2 round of voting since 2021, is what you're claiming in 2023 is not a just election? Why are some of you people so cruel?

He won the incumbent after two round of voting since 2021 which the incumbent didn't question the process, but here you're, doubting the process in 2023 just to back up your retard argument.

You have been making it seem as if the people of Niger Republic were protesting on the Street, asking for the military to take over.

Nobody asked the Military to take over in Niger Republic. They took over because of their greediness.

The Military officers were trained to fight and protect the country from internal and external aggression.

The people of Niger should be the Ones choosing the kind of Government they want.

Kukutente23:
Well, whoever taught you, taught you wrong. He's a poor student of history and so are you.
Saddam Hussein was military ruler of Iraq for so many years and was one installed with the help of US. So was Hosni Mubarak of Egypt. Both men's sovereignty was never challenged by any country while they held sway, brutal at they were.
The bottom line is interest in international politics.
If a govt is well aligned with the interest of western powers, they are ready to overlook every illegal and inhuman acts of such govt but, once they begin to feel the govt is no longer on their good side, they begin to find means of delegitimizing them so as to kick them out. That's what is playing in Niger and it has nothing to do with sovereignty or not.
It is interesting that both Hussein and Gaddafi were eventually ousted by western powers after years of ruling with their support. What changed?
It is even more bewildering that they left both states destabilised, terrorised and weak till today.
The question you should ask yourself is if both Libya and Iraq cut a genuine picture of a sovereign state today.
The answer is surely NO.

Oga I have said my own take it as you want........

lexy2014:
In an attempt to prove that you are informed, you are displaying more and more ignorance

I never said they don't have their own crude and yes the "most " part was an exaggeration........you can rest now.....👍🏾

leokid866:
yes you have sovereignty over your nation that's one thing, getting me as an outsider to recognize your sovereignty is another......hope you understand?

And who told you other countries do not recognize Niger?

Morphinne:
@bolded, you will find that in my definition sir. Again, Niger seized from being a sovereign state the day their democratically elected government got toppled. External intervention would have been seen as undermining of the democratic value of a sovereign state if externals are getting themselves involved in their affairs while the legitimate leader is still in power. And no sir, ECOWAS intervention is necessary to forestall events that could lead our subregion into chaos and you will agree with me that they are being careful about it for the sake of the citizens otherwise they would have leveled the country to the ground.

Oga please stop, there's no reasoning with this people.....they will just keep twisting until they bring you down to their level of stupidity...... just agree and move on......