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upsupa:
Patois is pidgin. Caribbean pidgin with differences between the Caribbean countries. Each country has its own pidgin and there might be some understanding and overlap

Patois is not pidgin

When pidgin becomes a first language, that's a creole

Do you understand ?

illicit:
I have never met u

What do you mean 'English based creole'

If you know what creole means you might not define pidgin that way

Oga, pidgin is a creole. When interlocutors give you contrary opinions to what you think you know, the onus is on you to research for additional knowledge, not to take arguments as a stock in trade while boasting about being idle.

illicit:
Key word *plain*

Ekiti is in the Hinterland, all it's borders are surrounded by Yoruba speakers

Oyo borders Benin republic

Osun was a part of Oyo

I am not sure you get my point. There's a difference between Ekiti and Ekiti state. There are Ekiti in Kwara state and those Ekiti are on the fringes of Yorubaland and not hinterland. It is like the Awori and Ijebu too, both Yoruba sub groups are in Lagos and Ogun states. If you are Yoruba, you should get my point. The only Yoruba that will be plain to every Yoruba is Oyo and Osun.

You're right that some communities in Benin Republic border Oyo state but those are geographic borders not linguistic borders. The Benin republic communities next to Oyo are Yoruba speaking and used to be part of the old Oyo Kingdom.

The only Yoruba that will be plain to every Yoruba is the Oyo Yoruba. As a Yoruba, the other dialects of Yoruba are not difficult for me to understand but it's only the Oyo one that I hear and see as plain. Ekiti, Ulesha , Ijebu, Ondo, Egba, Igbomina and all of them, I can hear but only the Oyo is plain to us all.

ednut1:
most people in lagos cannot understand Port harcourt pidgin, why do you now think everyone in africa would Even ekiti or ondo yoruba those in ogun and lagos can’t understand all the words.

If not for internet and skit making have you heard abobi or woto woto before

most PH pidgin are cultist slangs

FreeStuffsNG:
I am not sure you get my point. There's a difference between Ekiti and Ekiti state. There are Ekiti in Kwara state and those Ekiti are on the fringes of Yorubaland and not hinterland. It is like the Awori and Ijebu too, both Yoruba sub groups are in Lagos and Ogun states. If you are Yoruba, you should get my point. The only Yoruba that will be plain to every Yoruba is Oyo and Osun. The Benin republic communities next to Oyo are Yoruba speaking and used to be part of the old Oyo Kingdom.

The only Yoruba that will be plain to every Yoruba is the Oyo Yoruba. As a Yoruba, the other dialects of Yoruba are not difficult for me to understand but it's only the Oyo one that I hear and see as plain. Ekiti, Ulesha , Ijebu, Ondo, Egba, Igbomina and all of them, I can hear but only the Oyo is plain to us all.

I understand you

BoldBrainz:
Oga, pidgin is a creole. When interlocutors give you contrary opinions to what you think you know, the onus is on you to research for additional knowledge, not to take arguments as a stock in trade while boasting about being idle.

Oga tell us what's a Creole

Stop ranting abeg

illicit:
Sorry it's not

Where else in Africa speaks it?

1Sharon:
Where else in Africa speaks it?

You will find pidgin English anywhere English is spoken as a second language as far as India

Does it mean ' I know you get money'?

illicit:
If I tell you that ' I no get money'

U won't understand?

illicit:
Oga tell us what's a Creole

Stop ranting abeg

Even a simple google search would have helped cure you of this audacious yet embarrassing display of misinformation.

Samantha124:
Does it mean ' I know you get money'?

Samantha: Give me some money

Illicit : No vex o, I no get money


What do u think?

Hemeshemeheru:
I am curious.

Exempt West Africa. Do other regional Africa Countries understand pidgin English if spoken to them?

They may find it hard to understand because pidgin English like patois is structured and molded based on the vanacular of the local community. eg come let’s go is formed based on “wa, jekalo” in yoruba

BoldBrainz:
Even a simple google search would have helped cure you of this audacious yet embarrassing display of misinformation.

Oga

Very simple

Why do I need to use Google when u can tell me?

Is this how you use to do?

illicit:
Patois is not pidgin

When pidgin becomes a first language, that's a creole

Do you understand ?

pidgin. / (ˈpɪdʒɪn) / noun. a language made up of elements of two or more other languages and used for contacts, esp trading contacts, between the speakers of other languages. Unlike creoles, pidgins do not constitute the mother tongue of any speech community.

Pidgin Definition & Meaning - Dictionary.com

patois. / (ˈpætwɑː, French patwa) / nounplural patois (ˈpætwɑːz, French patwa) an unwritten regional dialect of a language, esp of French, usually considered substandard. the jargon of particular group.

Patois Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com

Pidgins have historically been considered a form of patois, unsophisticated simplified versions of their lexifiers, and as such usually have low prestige with respect to

languages. However, not all simplified or "unsophisticated" forms of a language are pidgins.

Pidgin - Wikipedia

Take of it what you want

thinkmoney:
They may find it hard to understand because pidgin English like patois is structured and molded based on the vanacular of the local community. eg come let’s go is formed based on “wa, jekalo” in yoruba

Come, let's go is not pidgin

upsupa:
pidgin. / (ˈpɪdʒɪn) / noun. a language made up of elements of two or more other languages and used for contacts, esp trading contacts, between the speakers of other languages. Unlike creoles, pidgins do not constitute the mother tongue of any speech community.

Pidgin Definition & Meaning - Dictionary.com

patois. / (ˈpætwɑː, French patwa) / nounplural patois (ˈpætwɑːz, French patwa) an unwritten regional dialect of a language, esp of French, usually considered substandard. the jargon of particular group.

Patois Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com

Pidgins have historically been considered a form of patois, unsophisticated simplified versions of their lexifiers, and as such usually have low prestige with respect to

languages. However, not all simplified or "unsophisticated" forms of a language are pidgins.

Pidgin - Wikipedia

Take of it what you want

In this you have your answers

Now tell me, do you still think Patois is pidgin?

Hemeshemeheru:
I am curious.

Exempt West Africa. Do other regional Africa Countries understand pidgin English if spoken to them?

No
Pidgin belong to Anglophone West Africa Countries

illicit:
You will find pidgin English anywhere English is spoken as a second language as far as India

I'm talking about in Africa. Does the pidgin English outside Africa, sound like West African?

Broken English is different to Pidgin.

no, infact they admire pidgin english as a foreign language

Hemeshemeheru:
I am curious.

Exempt West Africa. Do other regional Africa Countries understand pidgin English if spoken to them?

Who came up with this whole idea of pidgin anyways?

illicit:
I don't have money

MorataFC:
Every nation has its own pidgin version, like Nigeria's version of pidgin, English is mixed with local languages and the Yoruba language takes the lion's share of the mixed language that is made up of the Nigeria pidgin.

you don come with this yoruba nonsense, nigeria as a country don't have one standard pidgin you go ph you will be hearing kwanu kwanu ,even in that lagos ajegunle pigin is totally different people from mushin will know this one na ajegunle pigin ,you hear pigin from benue before?abi na so portable dey speak pidgin lagosians dey speak ?,you don hear pidgin ftom bini or warri before?if waffi or Benin speak fast pidgin you no go even hear everything as a yoruba person

1Sharon:
I'm talking about in Africa. Does the pidgin English outside Africa, sound like West African?

Broken English is different to Pidgin.

Pidgin Enlish cant sound alike because it's a broken language (no grammatical rules)

It is made up of jargons, random and loan words and heavily influenced by the native language of any region you find it

So even in Nigeria you have different varieties but the things is it is mutually intelligible because some words remain the same

For example, ' I no fit go'

' I no know him

Commot there

Go die now

Na me u dey follow talk?

English speakers from anywhere can decipher what you mean even if their own version is different

Samantha124:
Who came up with this whole idea of pidgin anyways?

The first Africans to contact British, Europeans

It was a means of communication between them

In Nigeria it is the South southern people who lives on the coast ' Warri, Benin etc)

pansophist:
No they don't, but they'll have a clue. Same way Nigerians don't understand Jamaican Patois, but have a clue, especially due to the influence of reggae.

If u hv a clue of patois I did not get it from ragae or it's influence though

I dont think all of dem. But i knw of Ghana, kenya, S.A can understand pidgin but cant speak. Some Ghanians can speak lil pidgin

illicit:
In this you have your answers

Now tell me, do you still think Patois is pidgin?

Bro Patois is french word for broken english

upsupa:
Bro Patois is french word for broken english

Haa
😳

Which school did you finish from pls?

illicit:
Patois is not pidgin, it is a Creole ( like a mother tongue)

Any body that speaks a standard variety of a language might understand it's pidgin because Most of the vocabulary of the pidgin version are from the parent stock

If u tell any English speaker that 'I no want problem'. They will understand what u mean, no matter the country

I am a Linguist

You're a linquist and you have time to linquist nuisances here on NL. Nawa for do. E people oo.

East African countries to Southern African countries don't understand anything in our pidgin unless a nigerian befriend them and start explaining to them ,is hausa pidgin not amongst the pidgins spoken in nigeria? Who will understand that in those countries?

Pidgin is not totally same as creole. Creole has rules guiding it. Creole has syntax according to a documentary I got. But Pidgin has no rules. Jamaican patois used to be Pidgin for a very long time before it became standardize and developed to a full language (creole).
Illicit, kindly note that most English speakers who aren't Nigerian do not understand Nigerian Pidgin English. You may think it is simple but it is very complex to them. For example, "Dey there make pant dey wear you" is a Pidgin English but no non-Nigerian English speakers would understand.
Boldbrainz, Upsupa, and the rest, Pidgin English is totally not same with creole. Creole is advanced and standardized. It has its lexis and structure.

I guess it's only West Africans and Camerounians. Caribbeans also understand it to an extent.