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Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by BoldBrainz(m): 11:16pm On Oct 06, 2023
Angelfrost:


Electricity in my house and area massively improved in the last 6 months, and Voila! I haven't used my generator since.

I now gladly pay more for electricity without complaints.

This equation is simple.

Give a man a constant supply of his pleasurable poison and he'll become addicted enough to go any lengths to afford it, irrespective of the price.

Give a Nigerian 24 hours electricity for just a week, then add 20 naira to each unit of electricity he consumes and he'll pay it. Of course being Nigerians we'll murmur a bit, but we'll still pay the increment, because we're "addicted" to the good life.

Nigerians are beautiful people who know how to enjoy life. Just make it easy for us to make money and we'll spend it effortlessly.

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Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by BoldBrainz(m): 11:27pm On Oct 06, 2023
Angelfrost:


Lol... Everyone is an Economics Expert these days. tongue

Just leave them to keep Googling and bandying theories about the internet space.

It gets sad and depressing bro. We don't deserve this. We're too blessed to be existing like this.

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Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by Dedeity: 11:30pm On Oct 06, 2023
SoNature:
If we can stabilize power supply, the demand for petrol and diesel will be significantly slashed.

Why is Tinubu not making efforts to build power stations across the country? undecided
Tinubu has no good plan for Nigeria. Know this and know peace

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Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by correctguy101(m): 11:39pm On Oct 06, 2023
BoldBrainz:


"He who is silent in the face of evil is just as guilty as the enabler".

You see, that's the reason some of us go the extra length to talk and keep talking, despite the fact we're uncomfortable doing so.

When I die tomorrow, I want it to be heard that even if I didn't have the capacity to have corrected the wrongs, I was vocal enough to be heard in the criticism of evil.

That would be a palatable inscription for my tombstone.

Lols

Only talk? You aren't the first to do that.

Plus none of the talks has even worked since military until this farce called democracy.

I still like the country and that's why I even seem to get angry and my anger is mostly at how powerless I am.

If I had my way, hahahaha...

Una go dey find where to hide una head. I know me. grin

I can't be talking and no one is listening, especially, to what audience?

I recommend a total uprooting of the current system and do you think just talk will accomplish that?

How many of those so called advanced climes didn't pass through fire before they got to where they currently are?
Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by xandy84: 11:46pm On Oct 06, 2023
You're not the only one but I am even worried about relocating back home. Abroad is not fun when you're older but the thought of what Naija will be like in my 60's scares me for real.
I know people who are tired of living their American nightmares but everything we talk about Nigeria situations, guys just sit down for real.











BoldBrainz:


I sincerely worry for the lives and survival of the children our generation is going to produce.
Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by olumzzz(m): 12:16am On Oct 07, 2023
SoNature:
If we can stabilize power supply, the demand for petrol and diesel will be significantly slashed.

Why is Tinubu not making efforts to build power stations across the country? undecided
Because it is not his job to.
Power generation is fully deregulated
Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by ReubenE(m): 12:27am On Oct 07, 2023
MatrixCircle:


they can refuse to start producing in Nigeria because of instability in all sectors , again will heavy duty solve the problem ?
The problem in Nigeria is corruption and incompetences in governance, otherwise fixing our refineries should not be an impossible task, after all Dangote built one from the scratch, then why can't a country fix it's refinery . Spending billions on staff that don't refine any product.
@bold

Exactly the thought I was waiting for.

All the blames, suggestions, theories etc all still boil down to government corruption and incompetence.
Nothing is going to work when a government is corrupt beyond repair. Even the Dangote refinery has not worked yet largely due to corruption and incompetence especially from the government side. They majorly used that refinery project to steal forex. It is the reason the refinery has been delayed for several years.

During colonialism, the prime reason for building any infrastructure was how the project was going to aid the easy movement of resources abroad. The primary intention was never development.
The same playbook is what our leaders are reading from.
They first consider how much they can steal before anything is done. Their real intent is never seeing the people develop, it is how they can develop themselves from doing things for the people.

Just like some classical realists believe "peace brings poverty, and that war brings wealth" the chaotic situation is what makes them rich and powerful. In war, once you conquer your enemies, their wealth becomes yours.

None of the theories suggested above, some very good ones are going to work optimally. It is when the Nigeria state is ready to free itself from corruption which is impossible, but at least reduce it to a reasonable extent, it is such time that we shall see real progress.

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Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by emmyN(m): 12:30am On Oct 07, 2023
mrvitalis:

Lol you just spoke like a typical Nigeria

What's the percentage of people that run on gen? Most business barely use their gen

90% of Nigerians who can afford constant power have constant power.... If you know you want constant power dont you know an estate in your city with constant or near constant power?

Power is not important to Nigeria now as a president I won't even invest too much into its

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Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by a4cube: 1:19am On Oct 07, 2023
creativehubb:

I said things we don't need...so many things we import are luxury goods, we don't need them. Force the manufacturers to come here and build the manufacturing units here, produce from here.
Simply say things for big men that you can't afford. Unfortunately the govt officials and politicians that will make the law live on those things on daily basis. They care less about you buddy.
Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by a4cube: 1:22am On Oct 07, 2023
Dennisochampa:
All these useless hoebi supporters always falsifyin news.....
Fuel never reach 720...
I bought today...
Useless things
Leg dey use petrol too.
Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by ChybuzzDD(m): 2:47am On Oct 07, 2023
creativehubb:
Government should impose import ceilings on goods we don't really need, we must drastically reduce our imports. If we don't demand dollars, it's value will drop. QED.

Can you show us a list of those goods Nigerians don't really need, probably because you produce enough for the teeming population?
Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by donbrowser(m): 4:10am On Oct 07, 2023
SoNature:
If we can stabilize power supply, the demand for petrol and diesel will be significantly slashed.

Why is Tinubu not making efforts to build power stations across the country? undecided

Wow So Tinubu has been there for 3 years?
Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by mrvitalis(m): 5:03am On Oct 07, 2023
[quote author=emmyN post=126245848][/quote]
In 24 hours day most business use gen max 4 hours.... 4 out of 24 is barely

They only use it if they have work
Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by mrvitalis(m): 5:07am On Oct 07, 2023
correctguy101:


I see...

It all boils down to the same thing many are saying on here: We need to industrialize.

A good plan.

And you think all those werey in charge of running the country are not aware?

No make me laff abeg...

Goodnight brother. There's a reason I don't like discussing issues plaguing this country.

It gets me angry for I refuse to believe all these fine ideas all you guys are putting out on here are things these people in charge don't know already. They know, yet they do something entirely different.

Abeg, does any nation need rocket science to know they're supposed to have working refineries? Especially a nation whose entire income rests on such. And an oil producing nation at that?

Smh
Bros I have been opportuned to interact with lots of average Nigerian politicians

Majority are near retarded and two majority of Nigerians don't know the difference between problem and symptoms of a problem

Most times they tackle symptoms leaving the real problem, n it comes up again

99.999% of Nigerians don't even know problem with Nigeria... Most just know symptoms
Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by nairalanda1(m): 5:11am On Oct 07, 2023
MatrixCircle:


they can refuse to start producing in Nigeria because of instability in all sectors , again will heavy duty solve the problem ?
The problem in Nigeria is corruption and incompetences in governance, otherwise fixing our refineries should not be an impossible task, after all Dangote built one from the scratch, then why can't a country fix it's refinery . Spending billions on staff that don't refine any product.


The reason why Dangote was able to build a refinery was because he got loans from the banks. And the reason why the banks gave him loans was because if he defaulted on the loans, they would take over his lucrative businesses and pay themselves back.

And the reason why we do not have refineries in the first place was because subsidy meant we sold fuel at a loss (and until 2013-15, diesel and kerosene )....and as a result the refineries did not make enough money to pay their running costs, and upgrades. And the subsidy paid never could cover the resulting losses of selling fuel at a loss.

The corruption and incompetency is as a result of the subsidy.

Take Nitel. Nitel was offering services to Nigerians at cheap prices, then Obasanjo allowed the GSM companies in who were allowed to set their prices, and as a result, they beat Nitel well well...to the point Nitel is not as strong as it was.

If you were selling product at say N1000 , making a profit of N300 per product, and I came in as government and told you to sell that product at N100 , and paid you a paltry subsidy of N200 , leaving you with a loss of N400, you would do all manner of things, including selling secretly on the black market....to break even.

The moral of the subsidy mess is simple. When you stifle the profit motive of any industry or business, anarchy results. Poeple don't make profits to keep in their vaults in Swiss banks...they have to pay for running costs, upgrades, insurance, cover for any potential issues, salary raises, etc. If they cannot do that, a mess results.

Also subsides in most countries are paid to the refineries , not to end user. That's how you can 'bring down price' and still maintain the profit motive.

And Nigeria being an oil producer does not mean we can afford subsides. Oil producers that can aford subsides either have tiny populations, or produce far more oil than we do, or have diversified economies, or are Iran with a national debt of 600 billion dollars.

And another reason subsidy has to go is that Dangote, has to pay his loans back. He cannot do that by selling fuel from his refinery at N40 per liter, no matter how we wish he would do that.

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Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by Nobody: 6:22am On Oct 07, 2023
treesun:


https://punchng.com/depots-deserted-as-petrol-landing-cost-hits-n720-litre/
I supposedly bought 10 liters of petrol (PMS) at N620/liter equalling N6,200. Out of curiosity I weighed it on a scale and got 6 kg as content weight. With petrol, having a realistic mass of 780 density kg/m3, you will get 7.69 liters or approx 7.7 liters on conversion. 7.7 liters has just been dispensed by agents of a major independent marketer as 10 liters. Sharmutas!

N6,200 ÷ 7.7 liters is equal to N805.1/liter. We are already buying above N800 per liter with all the crazy and greedy meter adjustments. We will buy at much more wicked and crazy rates in the oncoming days. Welcome to Renewed Shege Plus 2.0. Banza stage is still far-off.

To all agbadorians, you see those your old leather waistbelts? Start adding more holes towards the buckle because you'll need them in no distant future. Affording a new belt? Not an option.

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Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by BossGerald: 6:24am On Oct 07, 2023
creativehubb:
Government should impose import ceilings on goods we don't really need, we must drastically reduce our imports. If we don't demand dollars, it's value will drop. QED.

What nonsense is this?? You don't necessarily need petrol? Must you defend rubbish?
Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by creativehubb: 6:45am On Oct 07, 2023
BossGerald:


What nonsense is this?? You don't necessarily need petrol? Must you defend rubbish?
Shut up you stupid dumb head, is Petrol the only thing we import, did I mention petrol...you enemies of Nigeria never bring solutions, just to talk from your hate of Nigeria. If you have no solution to proffer go hide in your hole. Dummy.
Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by creativehubb: 6:47am On Oct 07, 2023
ChybuzzDD:


Can you show us a list of those goods Nigerians don't really need, probably because you produce enough for the teeming population?
Are you a clown?

Don't you know difference between necessities and luxury goods?

Or do they spend naira in America how idiots demand and spend dollars in here...your empty head can't proffer good solutions, you are criticizing people who are. Go Bleep your bitch, this page is for thinkers. Mumu.
Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by BossGerald: 6:55am On Oct 07, 2023
creativehubb:

Shut up you stupid dumb head, is Petrol the only thing we import, did I mention petrol...you enemies of Nigeria never bring solutions, just to talk from your hate of Nigeria. If you have no solution to proffer go hide in your hole. Dummy.

The topic is about petrol, stop talking off point.


I can see you lover of Nigeria that keep voting failures in government and defending criminality...8 wasted years gone defending buhari.

Lover boy

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Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by obrian888: 8:29am On Oct 07, 2023
mrvitalis:

"If we stabilize power supply "

Nigerians are too poor for constant power supply... Anyone who can afford constant power supply have it... It's just fact that you guys don't want to accept

Average Nigeria needs to pay $100 monthly per house for us to have power 24/7


Fuel would sale for 1000 there is nothing anyone can do about it ... You need about $100 to fuel your car monthly

The issue should be focusing on your people earning more than focusing on the impossible of reducing cost

You are wrong sir, the government should drastically reduce what we import, if we can't turn around our refineries in the shortest time, then we should focus on building and increasing our gas supply for electricity. one kilometer of gas pipeline cost USD1M and that can generate almost 200MGW of electricity, the government is just clueless, useless, dumb and foolish, this pattern of winner takes it all, is what is killing Nigeria, we have experts who can run the government parastatals but are they politicians the is a very crucial question, if yes, which party do they belong to? if they are in the ruling party, what was their role during the elections did they deliver their wards, all these questions must be answered before they can be given any appointment no matter how much they are qualified. look at OBJ for example, he brought in Okonjo Iweala, Dora Akunyuli, Prof Barth Inaji into government, but their bottle necks still did not allow these people to work freely, they were stealing under Okonjo, they tried and finally killed Dora, and Prof Barth was forced to resign, this country is full of evil men, and they are everywhere, the government, civil service, business community, lawyers, Doctors, engineers, traders, transporters, lecturers, students, even those of us on the street we are all the problems of this country.
Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by KaptainAfrika: 8:30am On Oct 07, 2023
TELL THAT TO YOUR DOLLAR HUNGRY POLITICIANS !

creativehubb:
Government should impose import ceilings on goods we don't really need, we must drastically reduce our imports. If we don't demand dollars, it's value will drop. QED.
Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by sulaak(m): 8:36am On Oct 07, 2023
nairalanda1:


We love imports, that's why.

We also have too many natural resources and we think that by selling them and sharing the money we can make enough

Also, the road to being a producer is a hard road. South Korea did it in a generation, but the generation that made the sacrifices suffered a lot as a result. (now they are old, and many of them don't live well).All industrial countries went through a prolonged period of hardship.

Nigerians that are suffering now don't want a leader to tell them that to become like China , Japan, Germany, or South Korea, they only need to work harder and suffer more for another generation.

Sometimes you have to be forced to sacrifice, Tinubu had no choice but to remove oil subsidies because there was limited scope for borrowing due to the large debt and low FX reserve. Nigerians will also be force to produce due to the lack of funds to import another country hard work .
Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by correctguy101(m): 9:27am On Oct 07, 2023
mrvitalis:

Bros I have been opportuned to interact with lots of average Nigerian politicians

Majority are near retarded and two majority of Nigerians don't know the difference between problem and symptoms of a problem

Most times they tackle symptoms leaving the real problem, n it comes up again

99.999% of Nigerians don't even know problem with Nigeria... Most just know symptoms

Oh..

In as much as I agree with the saying that too many Nigerians are ignorant of the real issues on ground. I find it hard to believe it's the same for the government and it's cabinet of educated elites.

And you don make this daddy laugh this morning. Which one be many of our politicians are near retarded? They're totally retarded.. grin grin

Good morning to you bros
Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by mrvitalis(m): 9:34am On Oct 07, 2023
correctguy101:


Oh..

In as much as I agree with the saying that too many Nigerians are ignorant of the real issues on ground. I find it hard to believe it's the same for the government and it's cabinet of educated elites.

And you don make this daddy laugh this morning. Which one be many of our politicians are near retarded? They're totally retarded.. grin grin

Good morning to you bros
Good morning boss

In average Nigerians are a bit smart

But our political system have found a way to progress the worst of us... I honestly don't know how it started

The smart Nigerians are left to face the creative industries, oil and gas, banking and telecommunications new in the block is ICT

Check even professional organizations
The best professional don't play association politics it's weird

In igbo land where I come from its even worse

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Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by Joshchi19(m): 9:40am On Oct 07, 2023
Shikena:
It goes well beyond the current government. It's a long term failure of government across several decades and hard decisions eventually became inevitable no matter who is at the helm of affairs.


Yes, it has been a long time failure but this government seems to be have no clue on how to redeem the situation, they rather make it worst. TINUBU is not qualified to be our President
Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by Omodua(m): 10:21am On Oct 07, 2023
nairalanda1:



We have no domestic refining because in 1973, we decided to subsidise fuel...which meant that eventually we sold fuel below the cost of its production. Not just fuel...kerosene, diesel, etc.

For a while we could afford it since the population of people using the refined products was not large enough (in the 1980's far more people used firewood than kerosene, and gas to cook.). But eventually we could not. And the queues started up, first in the mid 1970's. The refineries started collapsing in the 1990's when Southerners were in charge of NNPC.

The honest truth is simple. Any company making things needs to make a profit to pay for running costs. Subsides of the kind we practice in Nigeria do not pay for running costs effectively. Then our growing population means that most of the oil revenue has to go to funding things like salaries and projects, and the like. Add the fact that as at today, 20% of our revenue comes from taxes and other things, the 80% comes from oil....and you would see why we do not have working refinereis

Venezuela sells fuel at N40 or less per liter. And they have lost refining capacity over the last 20 years . To the point they can no longer help countries like Cuba with free subsidised oil. (Cuba is having to ration power as a result).

Iran has managed to keep refining and subsides. Their debt also makes ours look like chickenfeed. Iran wants to remove subsides. They can't because it means revolution.

If you want working refineries, make it profitable to run refineries....and that means letting the market set prices for fuel. Anything else is just inviting more and more debt, more and more import and less and less domestic refining.

Mele Kyari and Ibe Kalichuku have both called for removal of subsides. Kyari has even explained why subsides have to go self hundreds of times, and how they hinder NNPC's op. But you folk want N40 fuel...so you pretend he is the problem
Thanks for the insight.

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Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by Omodua(m): 10:33am On Oct 07, 2023
t2luv1:


Forget about that one. Go and look at the list of individuals that were given oil leases. 80% of the people on that list are from the North. I never knew that Northern people's lineage extends into the South-South. No Equity exists in the country. For clarification I am not from the South South I am a Yoruba from Ijebu Ode but I see things differently. You want to tell me in that whole Country Mele Kyari is the most qualified person to lead such an important organization. Well, progress comes slowly for the first time in memory we finally have a non Northern person leading the Nigeria Port Authority.





Spot on brother. The Truth.

A lot of injustice in the oil sector. But Asari Dokubo and co do not see this injustice but targets wrong audience for their Woes and poverty.
Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by ChybuzzDD(m): 10:52am On Oct 07, 2023
creativehubb:

Are you a clown?

Don't you know difference between necessities and luxury goods?

Or do they spend naira in America how idiots demand and spend dollars in here...your empty head can't proffer good solutions, you are criticizing people who are. Go Bleep your bitch, this page is for thinkers. Mumu.

When fools and sub-humans like you don't have the mental capacity to clearly and convincingly make their case, they resort to insult.

I think i even dignify a stinking cockroach like you by quoting you. Usually, i only quote educated and trained humans, not animals walking on 2 legs in disguise.

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Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by creativehubb: 11:06am On Oct 07, 2023
ChybuzzDD:


When fools and sub-humans like you don't have the mental capacity to clearly and convincingly make their case, they resort to insult.

I think i even dignify a stinking cockroach like you by quoting you. Usually, i only quote educated and trained humans, not animals walking on 2 legs in disguise.
Mad headless mob member, we will choke you enemies of Nigeria out of nairaland.
Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by MatrixCircle: 11:08am On Oct 07, 2023
nairalanda1:



The reason why Dangote was able to build a refinery was because he got loans from the banks. And the reason why the banks gave him loans was because if he defaulted on the loans, they would take over his lucrative businesses and pay themselves back.

And the reason why we do not have refineries in the first place was because subsidy meant we sold fuel at a loss (and until 2013-15, diesel and kerosene )....and as a result the refineries did not make enough money to pay their running costs, and upgrades. And the subsidy paid never could cover the resulting losses of selling fuel at a loss.

The corruption and incompetency is as a result of the subsidy.

Take Nitel. Nitel was offering services to Nigerians at cheap prices, then Obasanjo allowed the GSM companies in who were allowed to set their prices, and as a result, they beat Nitel well well...to the point Nitel is not as strong as it was.

If you were selling product at say N1000 , making a profit of N300 per product, and I came in as government and told you to sell that product at N100 , and paid you a paltry subsidy of N200 , leaving you with a loss of N400, you would do all manner of things, including selling secretly on the black market....to break even.

The moral of the subsidy mess is simple. When you stifle the profit motive of any industry or business, anarchy results. Poeple don't make profits to keep in their vaults in Swiss banks...they have to pay for running costs, upgrades, insurance, cover for any potential issues, salary raises, etc. If they cannot do that, a mess results.

Also subsides in most countries are paid to the refineries , not to end user. That's how you can 'bring down price' and still maintain the profit motive.

And Nigeria being an oil producer does not mean we can afford subsides. Oil producers that can aford subsides either have tiny populations, or produce far more oil than we do, or have diversified economies, or are Iran with a national debt of 600 billion dollars.

And another reason subsidy has to go is that Dangote, has to pay his loans back. He cannot do that by selling fuel from his refinery at N40 per liter, no matter how we wish he would do that.
Good narrative. The refineries have staff and still recruiting more staff even without refining a drop of petroleum products.
Re: Depots Deserted As Petrol Landing Cost Hits ₦‎720/Litre by Growing(m): 2:15pm On Oct 07, 2023
So subsidy is definitely back.

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