I have taken the time to adapt the Israel - Palestine conflict that many of us grew up on, but not many know the origins or how the Arabs got the identity of Terrorists that is pushed by the Western/Jewish media.

This was made in response to a post on a related topic on the forum

ican2020:
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Which land you don’t know history

I know history.

I know other tribes had lived there before the Jews, and the Arabs arrived long after the Jews had been scattered by the Romans who were expanding their own empire.

It was not the Arabs that sent the Jews packing. Infact their different occupation of the region did not overlap at all. Infact there was many centuries if not a full millennium (1000years) between when the Jews were displaced by the Romans before the Arabs fully occupied the same region.

So Arabs had been there for centuries and owned the land into this modern age where many new countries and nationalities came up long after the Arabs in Palestine, like the Americans, the Australians etc, who are considered the valid owners of their land.

So yes, the British had no reason for allowing the zionist Jews from trooping back to a land where they once lived almost 2000years ago. Their time had long passed like the time of those who occupied it many years before them in the biblical times.

Just Imagine you are Yoruba living in what you know as Yorubaland of your forefathers of many centuries, within a region of Africa called Nigeria before independence so under British rule.

Then some Zulus or Bantu from Southern Africa come claiming Yorubaland as a place their ancestors some 2000years ago once occupied, then your chiefs and land owners sell them land and they slowly start migrating in large numbers as they keep buying more land as more rich Zulus or Bantus keep sending money over to buy more land so that more of them can come to Yorubaland.

Then the British as Nigeria colonizers even encourage it because they have many Zulus residing in England who are rich business men and politicians who control things in England and other parts of the developed world, and want their people to come back to Yorubaland to unite as a single country of Zulus instead of being scattered in many countries.

With time they get a foothold in Yorubaland, and after a global genocide known as holocaust that was inflicted on the Zulus during the world war, the British and other world powers agree that it is best to let the remaining Zulus in other part of the world return to Yorubaland since they once inhabited the area thousands of years ago, and will feel safe there compared to living in other countries where they are already citizens of many centuries but refused to integrate to the Christian way of life in those countries and hardly inter-married, so as to keep their Zulu identity regardless of the different many countries they had been scattered for 2000years.

So now you a Yoruba cannot do anything, you have Zulus in your midst, and the British have decided that instead of granting independence to Nigeria, they will split Nigeria and let the Igbos have their own country, while the Hausa would have their own, but you the Yoruba will have to share your land with Zulus, for which due to the urgency they will even let the Zulus form their own country out of the parts of Yorubaland they now populate and dominate after over 70years of them coming into Yorubaland gradually. You are helpless.

The Zulus finally declare their country as allowed by the British and other world powers who agree to it as a solution to avoid another genocide of the Zulus. Then immediately (hours after) as they declare their country, they suddenly execute an armed occupation of land that they did not even buy or own before the British handed them independence, therefore chasing you away from your own land that you did not even sell to them because they know the land they occupy is still very small for their population and more Zulu immigrants that will still come over now that their own independent country has been established within Yorubaland.

You begin to complain. Some educated Yorubas begin to fight for their rights and they form PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organisation) that is led by Yasser Arafat.

PLO insist that the whole land is Yorubaland and that you will only accept a country called Yorubaland and that the Zulus can keep only the land they bought and the parts that the British let them have in the agreement for independence, but they must return all of the land they forcefully took over, then both you and the Zulus must live together as one country called Yorubaland as that was the name of the land long before even your tribe whose real name is Oduduwa tribe moved to that land and all the surrounding areas of Benin and Togo many centuries ago.

But the Zulus refuse and insist they must retain all of the land they bought and were also allocated by the British, and they would also keep the one they admit was forcefully taken. They insist they need the land as being occupiers of the land over 2000years ago, they actually own everything even if they too were not the original occupiers of the land before they later came about it as promised to them by their god Shaka Zulu who reigns supreme in the sky.

Some of your fellow oduduwa tribesmen in Benin and Togo try to fight war on your behalf so you can get back Yorubaland fully or atleast get back the part you never sold to the Zulus, but they are beaten black and blue by the zulus. The Igbos try to fight for you, they lost too, the Hausas try to fight the Zulus they lost too.

Meanwhile, the Zulus keep expanding into the rest of Yorubaland that is now smaller than the new Zululand. Worst of it is that what is left of Yorubaland is now at 2 separate corners of the former area, so you must pass through the new Zululand to go from the big part of Yorubaland to the smaller part.

You begin to fight and with time even the Oduduwa people think you PLO people no get ginger, then they form Hamas as an armed militia at the smaller side of Yorubaland as the Sorosoke generation, to be shooting missiles into Zululand so that you can get them out.

Infact, now you want to make them all perish so you can get all of your land back.

Britain and America call out Hamas as terrorists.

The rich and political Zulus who are still residing in Britain and America, are still powerful and continue to hold America and Britain to ransome that they must support Zululand.

In time, many militia on West Africa support you as their fellow WestAfrican, and insist the Zulu must return to Southern Africa (Europe). But the Zulu dominate American media and are very strong in Politics of that Strongest country, so they insist that anyone who is fighting the Zulus in WestAfrica is also a terrorist group.

Soon the Sorosoke generation of Oduduwa realised they must continue fighting until oneday they will get rid of the Zulu from Yorubaland, but PLO of the Babasope generation insisted that all they want is to share a single country with Zulu. Zulu insist they will never share country with anyone and secretly continue to expand their territory.

America and Britain, and even UN don organize peace summit tire.

Even the Zulu Prime Minister after the other thief thief ones don comot, wey do like say e fit embrace peace and return some of the land wey dem they expand to apart from the 1st one dem steal, na him fellow Zulu shoot am with dum-dum bullet so e go die.

Since then, no peace for West Africa because of foolish Zulu wey dey steal land and use media they talk another thing.

Infact, e bad so tey dem dey call all West Africans (Arabs) as terrorist because all of WestAfrica say Zulu must go back to Southern Africa.

Some WestAfrican militia sef don attack America just to show support for Oduduwa tribe, as America dey always support Zulu for thier crimes, even when America dey always talk say dem support 2-state solution of Zululand and Yorubaland, but dem no dey fit convince Israel to surrender wetin dem steal.

Sorosoke generation called Hamas continue to insist that Israel must comot totally, but na only mouth and banger Sorosoke generation get. Na Israel get all the big guns.

Oneday, there will be justice, then there will be peace.

Gaza will burn when the Israeli soldiers attack

Enemies of Muslims are our friends

Dead to all head slamming mohammadian terrorists..

Shinjawestside:


Enemies of Muslims are our friends

Dead to all head slamming mohammadian terrorists..

That is not what this African adaptation is about.

That is why I deliberately left out religion because it has confused a lot of people to side with evil over justice.

lordm:
Gaza will burn when the Israeli soldiers attack

All of these could have been avoided if Israel had stopped it expansionist agenda.

This adaptation is highly deceptive as it deliberately omits some very important facts in the narrative.

Firstly, it tells us the Zulus only came back and own just the land they bought. This is outrightly false.
For over 2000 years, Jews have been living in the land. They had just been subjugated by several imperial powers. They were also scattered across not just Europe, but the Middle East and Africa. But they retained connections to their ancestral land, performing pilgrimages throughout the ages, sometimes if only just to be buried on that land. Maimonides is a famous example of that.

Secondly, likening the present day Palestinians to the Yoruba is a false analogy. The Yoruba have lived where they are today for thousands of years, and as far as everyone knows, they did not displace anyone to settle where they are today. This is in complete contrast to the situation in the Middle East where even the name Jerusalem was given to the place by the Jews. A more truer adaptation would be that of Plateau State where the Fulani are displacing the original indigenes. If one day, the original indigenes get up and take back their land, the Fulani would then form a PLO to fight and terrorize these indigenes. Supporting such a PLO would be unjust.

Mordecai:
This adaptation is highly deceptive as it deliberately omits some very important facts in the narrative.

Firstly, it tells us the Zulus only came back and own just the land they bought. This is outrightly false.
For over 2000 years, Jews have been living in the land. They had just been subjugated by several imperial powers. They were also scattered across not just Europe, but the Middle East and Africa. But they retained connections to their ancestral land, performing pilgrimages throughout the ages, sometimes if only just to be buried on that land. Maimonides is a famous example of that.

Secondly, likening the present day Palestinians to the Yoruba is a false analogy. The Yoruba have lived where they are today for thousands of years, and as far as everyone knows, they did not displace anyone to settle where they are today. This is in complete contrast to the situation in the Middle East where even the name Jerusalem was given to the place by the Jews. A more truer adaptation would be that of Plateau State where the Fulani are displacing the original indigenes. If one day, the original indigenes get up and take back their land, the Fulani would then form a PLO to fight and terrorize these indigenes. Supporting such a PLO would be unjust.

There is nothing deceptive about it, but truly some sprinkling of Jews (Zulus) and remnants of other previous occupier had remained in Yoruba land even while Yorubas dominated the land for many centuries into the modern age.

Using the Yoruba identity to adapt this historical tale is also apt, since the Arabs had occupied the Palestine region since the 7th century, long before there was a Yoruba civilization in West Africa.

So it was a better analogy than using modern day Fulani encroachment of the Nigerian Middle-Belt to describe the Arabs of Palestine that have occupied their own region for over a millennium.

As at 1919, despite 2 waves of European Jewish migration to Palestine already, the Palestinian Muslims and Christians still had 90% of the population of the region.

The zionist Jews bought land in the region and began renaming Arab villages and towns as Jewish villages and towns.

Let's dissect your revised history piece by piece:

How and when did Jerusalem get it's name? From the Arabs?

How and when did these Arabs come to occupy the area?

Who were the people they met there?

StOla:


There is nothing deceptive about it, but truly some sprinkling of Jews (Zulus) and remnants of other previous occupier had remained in Yoruba land even while Yorubas dominated the land for many centuries into the modern age.

Using the Yoruba identity to adapt this historical tale is also apt, since the Arabs had occupied the Palestine region since the 7th century, long before there was a Yoruba civilization in West Africa.

So it was a better analogy than using modern day Fulani encroachment of the Nigerian Middle-Belt to describe the Arabs of Palestine that have occupied their own region for over a millennium.

As at 1919, despite 2 waves of European Jewish migration to Palestine already, the Palestinian Muslims and Christians still had 90% of the population of the region.

The zionist Jews bought land in the region and began renaming Arab villages and towns as Jewish villages and towns.

Mordecai:
Let's dissect your revised history piece by piece:

How and when did Jerusalem get it's name? From the Arabs?

How and when did these Arabs come to occupy the area?

Who were the people they met there?

Jerusalem got its name from the Hebrew (Jews) who had displaced the Canaanites from their land.

After centuries of Hebrew domination as the 12 tribe Israelite nation was eventually reduced to 2 tribes of Benjamin and Judah, that remainder of the Hebrew Israelite nation was referred to as Jews and their region referred to as Judea.

With Roman Empire expansion into the Levant region (Middle-East) of Asia, the Jews lived under the domination of the Romans. Eventually the Romans sacked Jerusalem and the Jews as a subset of the Hebrew that no longer existed, scattered into different parts of the world.

Over the centuries the Roman Empire declined and other empires took hold of the many diverse land holdings of the Romans.

The Arabs pushed into the Palestine region in the 7th century, and despite many other empires staking a claim to the Palestine region over the many centuries, the inhabitants remained largely Arab, but did not exclude Jews who came around from time to time and those Jews who remained as an insignificant few.

The Arabs continued dominating the region know as Palestine up till the start of the 20th century, such that the region had 90% Palestinian population that was not Jewish as at 1919, despite that 2 waves of Jewish migration from Europe had already occurred as at then.

Thank you for reaffirming that the land earlier belonged to the Jews.

Now, if the Arabs inhabited the place by "pushing in", what stops the original owners of the land claiming back their heritage by "pushing in" also?

StOla:


Jerusalem got its name from the Hebrew (Jews) who had displaced the Canaanites from their land.

After centuries of Hebrew domination as the 12 tribe Israelite nation was eventually reduced to 2 tribes of Benjamin and Judah, that remainder of the Hebrew Israelite nation was referred to as Jews and their region referred to as Judea.

With Roman Empire expansion into the Levant region (Middle-East) of Asia, the Jews lived under the domination of the Romans. Eventually the Romans sacked Jerusalem and the Jews as a subset of the Hebrew that no longer existed, scattered into different parts of the world.

Over the centuries the Roman Empire declined and other empires took hold of the many diverse land holdings of the Romans.

The Arabs pushed into the Palestine region in the 7th century, and despite many other empires staking a claim to the Palestine region over the many centuries, the inhabitants remained largely Arab, but did not exclude Jews who came around from time to time and those Jews who remained as an insignificant few.

The Arabs continued dominating the region know as Palestine up till the start of the 20th century, such that the region had 90% Palestinian population that was not Jewish as at 1919, despite that 2 waves of Jewish migration from Europe had already occurred as at then.

Mordecai:
Thank you for reaffirming that the land earlier belonged to the Jews.

Now, if the Arabs inhabited the place by "pushing in", what stops the original owners of the land claiming back their heritage by "pushing in" also?

Nothing stops the Jews from pushing in.

The thing is the Arabs did not realise they were at war because no guns were being fired until the Jews had cunningly taken over the Arab lands and convinced the British to let them declare an Isreal territory over the greater part of what remained of the Palestine region.

And even at that, the Jews still encroached on even the parts of Palestine that was not allocated as their territory, and also uprooted whole Arab owned villages from within the territory of Israel, and ensured that the Arabs became refugees that were never allowed to return.

Not to now even talk about the rest of the land they have been grabbing with every war that has been fought onwards.

So if the Jews want to keep the lands they should be ready to die for it.

As far as I am concerned, the Jews are the occupiers in Palestine that the world should never have allowed to happen.

It is quite instructive that we both agree the Jews did not apply any force in taking back the land where their ancestors lived, died and were buried. They went about it peacefully, without going into Palestinian homes and butchering mothers along with their children as the Palestinians are doing today.

Let's move on.

When the Jews were talking to the British, weren't the Arabs also doing same? Aren't you aware that there were armed Arab militias devoted to ensuring that Jews fleeing the Holocaust do not land in present-day Israel?

Aren't you aware that the Arabs were able to convince the League of Nations to create two countries, one for the Jews, and another for the Arabs - to be situated along the Transjordan, now named Jordan?

Are you aware that consequent upon these decisions, Jews in all the Arab lands were expelled creating a massive refugee situation? Refugees that the new Jewish nation absorbed without hesitation and settled?

Aren't you also aware that there were no hostilities between the Jews and the Arabs till the Arab nations declared war on the newly-formed State of Israel? You are also aware that the purpose of the war was to obliterate the Jews? And to that end, the Arab population in Israel was asked to leave the area to enable the Arab armies kill every human that breathes in the "killzone"? And that consequent upon that, the Arabs almost all left the land.
The outcome of that war, which lasted six days is well known to us.
Aren't you aware that the Arabs that stayed with Israel retained their lands and were not evicted, while those that left became refugees in the lands of their own brothers? Heck, even the Bedouins that stayed are Israeli citizens today.
Aren't you also aware that while the Jewish nation immediately absorbed their own refugees, the Arabs refused to absorb theirs, till today, generations after, moreso when the Kingdom of Jordan was created to cater to them?

When you talk about land-grabbing during wars initiated by Palestinians, are you telling me that it's okay for the Palestinians to take over land if they win, but wrong for the Jews to do so?

To recap, we both agree that:

Historically, the land first belonged to the Jews.

Today, it still belongs to the Jews.

Morally, the Jews should keep it, and the Palestinians should be absorbed by their brothers that convinced them to leave the land while they expelled the Jews from their own lands.

Legally, the kingdom of Jordan should absorb the Palestinians, for they were formed for that very purpose.

As such, any militia that invades Israel to begin killing mothers and children is just a terrorist group, and frankly, they have been cuddled by Israel for so long. We all saw how Turkey treated the Kurds in their own territory.

As for dieing for the land, has Israel ever minced words about their resolve? It is the Palestinians that need to come to a consensus over that, as they start crying out whenever they take a good spanking from the Israeli Police.

StOla:


Nothing stops the Jews from pushing in.

The thing is the Arabs did not realise they were at war because no guns were being fired until the Jews had cunningly taken over the Arab lands and convinced the British to let them declare an Isreal territory over the greater part of what remained of the Palestine region.

And even at that, the Jews still encroached on even the parts of Palestine that was not allocated as their territory, and also uprooted whole Arab owned villages from within the territory of Israel, and ensured that the Arabs became refugees that were never allowed to return.

Not to now even talk about the rest of the land they have been grabbing with every war that has been fought onwards.

So if the Jews want to keep the lands they should be ready to die for it.

As far as I am concerned, the Jews are the occupiers in Palestine that the world should never have allowed to happen.

StOla:
I have taken the time to adapt the Israel - Palestine conflict that many of us grew up on, but not many know the origins or how the Arabs got the identity of Terrorists that is pushed by the Western/Jewish media.

This was made in response to a post on a related topic on the forum



I know history.

I know other tribes had lived there before the Jews, and the Arabs arrived long after the Jews had been scattered by the Romans who were expanding their own empire.

It was not the Arabs that sent the Jews packing. Infact their different occupation of the region did not overlap at all. Infact there was many centuries if not a full millennium (1000years) between when the Jews were displaced by the Romans before the Arabs fully occupied the same region.

So Arabs had been there for centuries and owned the land into this modern age where many new countries and nationalities came up long after the Arabs in Palestine, like the Americans, the Australians etc, who are considered the valid owners of their land.

So yes, the British had no reason for allowing the zionist Jews from trooping back to a land where they once lived almost 2000years ago. Their time had long passed like the time of those who occupied it many years before them in the biblical times.

Just Imagine you are Yoruba living in what you know as Yorubaland of your forefathers of many centuries, within a region of Africa called Nigeria before independence so under British rule.

Then some Zulus or Bantu from Southern Africa come claiming Yorubaland as a place their ancestors some 2000years ago once occupied, then your chiefs and land owners sell them land and they slowly start migrating in large numbers as they keep buying more land as more rich Zulus or Bantus keep sending money over to buy more land so that more of them can come to Yorubaland.

Then the British as Nigeria colonizers even encourage it because they have many Zulus residing in England who are rich business men and politicians who control things in England and other parts of the developed world, and want their people to come back to Yorubaland to unite as a single country of Zulus instead of being scattered in many countries.

With time they get a foothold in Yorubaland, and after a global genocide known as holocaust that was inflicted on the Zulus during the world war, the British and other world powers agree that it is best to let the remaining Zulus in other part of the world return to Yorubaland since they once inhabited the area thousands of years ago, and will feel safe there compared to living in other countries where they are already citizens of many centuries but refused to integrate to the Christian way of life in those countries and hardly inter-married, so as to keep their Zulu identity regardless of the different many countries they had been scattered for 2000years.

So now you a Yoruba cannot do anything, you have Zulus in your midst, and the British have decided that instead of granting independence to Nigeria, they will split Nigeria and let the Igbos have their own country, while the Hausa would have their own, but you the Yoruba will have to share your land with Zulus, for which due to the urgency they will even let the Zulus form their own country out of the parts of Yorubaland they now populate and dominate after over 70years of them coming into Yorubaland gradually. You are helpless.

The Zulus finally declare their country as allowed by the British and other world powers who agree to it as a solution to avoid another genocide of the Zulus. Then immediately (hours after) as they declare their country, they suddenly execute an armed occupation of land that they did not even buy or own before the British handed them independence, therefore chasing you away from your own land that you did not even sell to them because they know the land they occupy is still very small for their population and more Zulu immigrants that will still come over now that their own independent country has been established within Yorubaland.

You begin to complain. Some educated Yorubas begin to fight for their rights and they form PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organisation) that is led by Yasser Arafat.

PLO insist that the whole land is Yorubaland and that you will only accept a country called Yorubaland and that the Zulus can keep only the land they bought and the parts that the British let them have in the agreement for independence, but they must return all of the land they forcefully took over, then both you and the Zulus must live together as one country called Yorubaland as that was the name of the land long before even your tribe whose real name is Oduduwa tribe moved to that land and all the surrounding areas of Benin and Togo many centuries ago.

But the Zulus refuse and insist they must retain all of the land they bought and were also allocated by the British, and they would also keep the one they admit was forcefully taken. They insist they need the land as being occupiers of the land over 2000years ago, they actually own everything even if they too were not the original occupiers of the land before they later came about it as promised to them by their god Shaka Zulu who reigns supreme in the sky.

Some of your fellow oduduwa tribesmen in Benin and Togo try to fight war on your behalf so you can get back Yorubaland fully or atleast get back the part you never sold to the Zulus, but they are beaten black and blue by the zulus. The Igbos try to fight for you, they lost too, the Hausas try to fight the Zulus they lost too.

Meanwhile, the Zulus keep expanding into the rest of Yorubaland that is now smaller than the new Zululand. Worst of it is that what is left of Yorubaland is now at 2 separate corners of the former area, so you must pass through the new Zululand to go from the big part of Yorubaland to the smaller part.

You begin to fight and with time even the Oduduwa people think you PLO people no get ginger, then they form Hamas as an armed militia at the smaller side of Yorubaland as the Sorosoke generation, to be shooting missiles into Zululand so that you can get them out.

Infact, now you want to make them all perish so you can get all of your land back.

Britain and America call out Hamas as terrorists.

The rich and political Zulus who are still residing in Britain and America, are still powerful and continue to hold America and Britain to ransome that they must support Zululand.

In time, many militia on West Africa support you as their fellow WestAfrican, and insist the Zulu must return to Southern Africa (Europe). But the Zulu dominate American media and are very strong in Politics of that Strongest country, so they insist that anyone who is fighting the Zulus in WestAfrica is also a terrorist group.

Soon the Sorosoke generation of Oduduwa realised they must continue fighting until oneday they will get rid of the Zulu from Yorubaland, but PLO of the Babasope generation insisted that all they want is to share a single country with Zulu. Zulu insist they will never share country with anyone and secretly continue to expand their territory.

America and Britain, and even UN don organize peace summit tire.

Even the Zulu Prime Minister after the other thief thief ones don comot, wey do like say e fit embrace peace and return some of the land wey dem they expand to apart from the 1st one dem steal, na him fellow Zulu shoot am with dum-dum bullet so e go die.

Since then, no peace for West Africa because of foolish Zulu wey dey steal land and use media they talk another thing.

Infact, e bad so tey dem dey call all West Africans (Arabs) as terrorist because all of WestAfrica say Zulu must go back to Southern Africa.

Some WestAfrican militia sef don attack America just to show support for Oduduwa tribe, as America dey always support Zulu for thier crimes, even when America dey always talk say dem support 2-state solution of Zululand and Yorubaland, but dem no dey fit convince Israel to surrender wetin dem steal.

Sorosoke generation called Hamas continue to insist that Israel must comot totally, but na only mouth and banger Sorosoke generation get. Na Israel get all the big guns.

Oneday, there will be justice, then there will be peace.

This analogy of the real situation is incomplete and misleading, although the example case of zulu-yoruba did clearly explains how the fulani took over southern kaduna and nassarawa areas from indigenes during regional era.
Now back to isreal... The romans dispersed the jews from cities especially jerusalem which was destroyed in 70AD, but they did not eject them away from rural areas where the jews later formed farm KIbbutz. Over the centuries christian byzantine started persecuting the jews which made most of them to either leave the levant or move away from other people but many of them were still in the area. It was after this time that the philistines living in Gaza and ashkelon areas spread into the original jewish territories such as hebron and jerusalem.
After the battle of Badr, when the arabs defeated the byzantines, the arabian leader that succeeded Mohamed asked the bishops in jerusalem about "where are the jews". The name of the area changed to palestine(Philistine) at this period as the spread of islam was encouraged among the occupiers.
The jews simply separated themselves from general population as the area had been changing masters over and over again for millennium and could be called the original no man's land until the british carved out the original boundary for them in 1948.