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Ohyoudidnt:
Pray to or pray for as well as themselves?
Is the prayer directed to him or the one that created him, muslims and all that exists?

TenQ:
1. Is it untrue that the first part of the Tashahhud is directed to Allah?
"Greetings to Allah, and prayers, and pure things (are for Allah). "


2. Is it untrue that the second part of tha Tashahhud is directed at Mohammed?
"Peace be upon you, O Prophet , and the mercy of Allah and His blessings (are on you)."

Note :
Did you read the phrase "O Prophet"!?

Ohyoudidnt:
And the point is? The first part establishes that prayers are due to Allah. Followed by a salutation of peace to the prophet then ourselves and other muslums.
Ending with the testimony of faith stating belief in Allah and the prophet Muhammad s.a.w who was sent with the message of Allah.
All compliments, prayers and pure words are due to Allah.
Peace be upon you, O Prophet, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings. Peace be upon us and upon the righteous slaves of Allah. I bear witness that there is no god except Allah and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger)

TenQ:
Is this phrase of the Tashahhud said to Mohammed or Allah?

"Peace be upon you, O Prophet , and the mercy of Allah and His blessings (are on you)."

Ohyoudidnt:
It is said to Allah

Ohyoudidnt:
Pray to or pray for as well as themselves?
Is the prayer directed to him or the one that created him, muslims and all that exists?

TenQ:
Is the second part of the Tashahhud contrary to the hadiths Sunan Abi Dawud 1047?



The prayer is divided into FOUR sections


The Tashahhud (Translated) can be divided into four parts
1. Prayer to Allah
"Greetings to Allah, and prayers, and pure things (are for Allah). "
2. Prayer to Mohammed
Peace be upon you, O Prophet, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings (are on you).
3. Declaration of Hope to the Muslim Ummah
Peace be upon us, and upon the righteous servants of Allah.
4. The Shahada: Statement of Faith
I bear witness that there is no god but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger."

My emphasis is on Part 2 of the Tashahhud
Just as in Part One, the recipient of the Prayer is Allah, in Part Two, the recipient of the Prayer is Mohammed. (O Mohammed! )
This assumes that Mohammed is ALIVE and can hear the Prayers of the Muslims. Peace be upon you, O Prophet!

In case you are wondering if Mohammed can accept prayers of Muslims, guess what here is a Hadith that proves it.

Sunan Abi Dawud 1047
Narrated Aws ibn Aws:
The Prophet said: Among the most excellent of your days is Friday; on it Adam was created, on it he died, on it the last trumpet will be blown, and on it the shout will be made, so invoke more blessings on me that day, for your blessings will be submitted to me. The people asked: Messenger of Allah, how can it be that our blessings will be submitted to you while your body is decayed? He replied: Allah, the Exalted, has prohibited the earth from consuming the bodies of Prophets.

Just as the Prayers of Muslims would be submitted to Allah, the Prayers of Muslims will also be submitted to Mohammed!

Ohyoudidnt:
It is important to understand that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a human being, chosen by Allah as a guide and example for humanity.

Ohyoudidnt:
Muslims do not worship or consider him divine but rather hold immense respect and love for him. The act of offering prayers for the Prophet does not place him at the level of divinity or assign him the ability to answer prayers, but rather serves as a way for Muslims to express their devotion and seek blessings from Allah through their love and connection to His final messenger.

Sunan Abi Dawud 1047 mentions a particular prayer offered by a companion in the presence of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). It is crucial to recognize that while the prayer was presented to the Prophet, it does not imply that he has the power to answer prayers or fulfill requests. The Prophet Muhammad himself emphasized that he did not possess the power to benefit or harm individuals. In the Quran, Allah states, "Say, 'O Muhammad, I have no power to bring good or harm to myself except as Allah wills'" (7:188).

The purpose of offering prayers for the Prophet is to show reverence and seek blessings from the Almighty. Muslims believe that the Prophet holds a special place in the sight of Allah, and by offering prayers for him, they hope to gain closeness to Allah and seek His mercy. These prayers are a way to express love and respect for the Prophet, in accordance with his teachings and the examples he set.


Muslims worship only Allah, the one true God.
We do not worship Prophet Muhammad; just revere, respect, and love him above all other human beings. And we send blessings upon the Prophet as an act of worship, which has been commanded by and pleases, Allah.
These blessings enable Allah’s mercy to descend upon the Prophet’s soul. It also benefits the Muslim who sends these blessings. In that they are rewarded, their sins are forgiven, and they receive Allah’s mercy.

TenQ:
Mohammed as best example for mankind?
1. Is it by having sex with pre- pubescent girls!?
2. Is it by lusting after the wife of his adopted son!?
3. Is it by creating exceptions to the rules of Islam by having more than four wives!?
4. Is it by allowing prostitution!?




The issue is that PRAYERS of Muslims will be SUBMITTED to Mohammed.

What will Mohammed do with the prayers?

Ohyoudidnt:
1. Don't go with the slanderous claims. Aisha mabpwh was definitely a teenager when their marriage took place and was consumated. Do research on what her likely real age was.

2. Lusting after the wife of his adopted son? You even fail to research Zaynab mabpwh dislike of the union from the very start.

3. Reality is that he already had more than 4 wives before the revelation limiting the number to four came about. What were the reasons for these marriages?

4. He didn't allow prostitution and did his best to abolish the act from the time of ignorance.
Did you ever hear that prostitution is the oldest known profession?

TenQ:
The best example the Qur'an mankind is one who will JUSTIFY his sin!

This is the bottom line!
1. Aisha herself said your prophet married her at the age of six or seven and consummated the marriage at 9 years.
A nine year old girl is a teenager!

2. Instead of settling the quarrel between Zaid and Zainab, his lusted after the fine girl and eventually married her

3. No wonder, Allah Allah said any believing woman can give herself for sex to your prophet.

4. Even Allah allowed prostitution in your Quran? Is it untrue that the Prophet of allah Mohammed allowed Mutah, then forbade it, but then allowed it later to forbid it?


If you feel I speak that which is UNTRUE about your prophet, I dare you to challenge it and I will show you evidence for m Islam itself.

The issue is that PRAYERS of Muslims will be SUBMITTED to Mohammed.

What will Mohammed do with the prayers?

Ohyoudidnt:
You definitely are fixated in your prejudice and actual dislike however:

1. I requested you do research yourself and explore the evidence for an against a marriage at age 6 or 9 vs older ages of marriage.

2. Note that the Prophet married the former slave Zaid to Zaynab.
- Zaynab, her brother and other family members did not want her to be married to a former slave.
- The Prophet insisted that they marry each other, to break and put a stop to the backward Jahiliya (pre-Islamic ignorance) culture of marriage being between certain classes only.
-Zaynab eventually accepted to marry Zaid
-The marriage didn’t and couldn't last long since there was a lot of arguments and “quarrels” at home. As stated, the scholars mentioned that Zaynab used to bring up her lineage and Zayd being a former slave. That she was from a noble family while Zayd was a former slave. These talks and others discouraged Zayd to stay with her any longer.
-Zayd went to Prophet Muhammed pbuh wanting to divorce her due to the problems at home, the Prophet ordered him to stay married to her and to fear God.
Zayd went back and forth for a while (weeks or months) every-time complaining about his marriage and every time the Prophet pbuh exclaimed and told him to fear God and keep his wife. This is regarding your false claim Muhammad pbuh did not make efforts to resolve their differences. Do you feel Zaynab too didn't complain of the marriage?
Eventually, it was too much for Zayd and divorce followed.

Muhammed pbuh was ordered by God to marry Zaynab, in his heart, he did not want to marry her because she was married to his adopted son also had he wanted to he could have married himself before she married Zayd.
He was bothered about what people would say about him. God sent down revelation that he should fear Him rather than the people in the society. The marriage went ahead as it was ordered by God Himself, and Muhammed had no say to disobey the order.

The Prophet’s marriage to Zainab was done to break the taboo in the Arab society that adopted son’s are real sons which Allah says are mere sayings from their mouths. The revelation had a big impact in the society, who was going to break that ancient tradition?

Well if Allah allowed marrying captive women I believe the God of the Bible clearly subscribes to this with clear instruction to kill the husbands of these women before marrying them. Differentiate between prostitution and marriage and be realistic about the transformation of a culture.

Prayers submitted or presented must be a display of imperfections in translations. The statement means these prayers will be beneficial to him.

Q59:10And those who come after them will pray, “Our Lord! Forgive us and our fellow believers who preceded us in faith, and do not allow bitterness into our hearts towards those who believe. Our Lord! Indeed, You are Ever Gracious, Most Merciful

Q47:19 So, know well, O Prophet,that there is no god worthy of worship except Allah. And seek forgiveness for your shortcomings and for the sins of the believing men and women. For Allah fully knows your movements and places of rest ˹O people

Ohyoudidnt:
You definitely are fixated in your prejudice and actual dislike however:

1. I requested you do research yourself and explore the evidence for an against a marriage at age 6 or 9 vs older ages of marriage.

2. Note that the Prophet married the former slave Zaid to Zaynab.
- Zaynab, her brother and other family members did not want her to be married to a former slave.
- The Prophet insisted that they marry each other, to break and put a stop to the backward Jahiliya (pre-Islamic ignorance) culture of marriage being between certain classes only.
-Zaynab eventually accepted to marry Zaid
-The marriage didn’t and couldn't last long since there was a lot of arguments and “quarrels” at home. As stated, the scholars mentioned that Zaynab used to bring up her lineage and Zayd being a former slave. That she was from a noble family while Zayd was a former slave. These talks and others discouraged Zayd to stay with her any longer.
-Zayd went to Prophet Muhammed pbuh wanting to divorce her due to the problems at home, the Prophet ordered him to stay married to her and to fear God.
Zayd went back and forth for a while (weeks or months) every-time complaining about his marriage and every time the Prophet pbuh exclaimed and told him to fear God and keep his wife. This is regarding your false claim Muhammad pbuh did not make efforts to resolve their differences. Do you feel Zaynab too didn't complain of the marriage?
Eventually, it was too much for Zayd and divorce followed.

Muhammed pbuh was ordered by God to marry Zaynab, in his heart, he did not want to marry her because she was married to his adopted son also had he wanted to he could have married himself before she married Zayd.
He was bothered about what people would say about him. God sent down revelation that he should fear Him rather than the people in the society. The marriage went ahead as it was ordered by God Himself, and Muhammed had no say to disobey the order.

The Prophet’s marriage to Zainab was done to break the taboo in the Arab society that adopted son’s are real sons which Allah says are mere sayings from their mouths. The revelation had a big impact in the society, who was going to break that ancient tradition?

Well if Allah allowed marrying captive women I believe the God of the Bible clearly subscribes to this with clear instruction to kill the husbands of these women before marrying them. Differentiate between prostitution and marriage and be realistic about the transformation of a culture.

Prayers submitted or presented must be a display of imperfections in translations. The statement means these prayers will be beneficial to him.

Q59:10And those who come after them will pray, “Our Lord! Forgive us and our fellow believers who preceded us in faith, and do not allow bitterness into our hearts towards those who believe. Our Lord! Indeed, You are Ever Gracious, Most Merciful

Q47:19 So, know well, O Prophet,that there is no god worthy of worship except Allah. And seek forgiveness for your shortcomings and for the sins of the believing men and women. For Allah fully knows your movements and places of rest ˹O people

TenQ:
1. Mohammed married a prepubescent girl
Sunan an-Nasa'i 3256
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
"The Messenger of Allah married me when I was seven years old, and he consummated the marriage with me when I was nine."
Sunan an-Nasa'i 3378
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
"The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine, and I used to play with dolls."

Sunan an-Nasa'i 3257
It was narrated that Abu 'Ubaidah said:
"Aishah said: 'The Messenger of Allah married me when I was nine and I lived with him for nine years.'"


Sunan Abi Dawud 2121
Narrated 'Aishah:
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) married me when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said: or Six years. He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old.

Sahih Muslim 1422 b
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported:
Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Ohyoudidnt:
It seems you end your research in haste.

Most of the Hadith narrations mentioning her age was nine are reported through Hisham ibn Urwa while living in Iraq, where Hisham ibn Urwa is reported to have relocated after living in Madinah for seventy-one years. It is reported in one of the most well known books on the life and reliability of the narrators of the traditions ascribed to the Muhammad reports that Yaqub ibn Shaibah said, “narratives reported by Hisham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of Iraq”. It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham, which were reported through people of Iraq. Another book on the narrators of the traditions of the Muhammad reports that when he was old, Hisham’s memory suffered quite badly.” Shaykh Dr. Ridhwan ibn Muhammad Saleem.

Sunan an-Nasa'i 3256
أَخْبَرَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ آدَمَ، عَنْ عَبْدَةَ، عَنْ هِشَامٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، قَالَتْ تَزَوَّجَنِي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَأَنَا بِنْتُ سِتٍّ وَدَخَلَ عَلَىَّ وَأَنَا بِنْتُ تِسْعِ سِنِينَ وَكُنْتُ أَلْعَبُ بِالْبَنَاتِ

Muhammad ibn al-Nadr ibn Musawar informed us, he said: Ja`far ibn Sulaiman told us, on the authority of Hisham ibn Urwa, on the authority of his father, on the authority of Aisha, she said: He married I was with the Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant him peace, for seven years, and he came to me for nine years.(as automatically translated)
Emphasis on sanad shows Hisham.

Do same for all your hadith on Aisha's age

TenQ:
Let me find you another reference

Sahih al-Bukhari 5134
Narrated `Aisha:
that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (i.e. till his death).

What you are saying is that
Bukhari is wrong
Muslim is wrong
An-Nasa'i is wrong
Abi Dawud is wrong.
None of them did their due diligence of selecting Sahih hadiths and Hisham ibn Urwa was the one who narrated false hadiths to all of them!?

So,
Whoes hadith is the authentic one?
Can you post it?


Are you aware that your scapegoat Hisham ibn Urwa did NOT narrate the hadith in Bukhari AND Sunan Abi Dawud?
So, non of what other excuse do you have?

Ohyoudidnt:
Find me or informing of the progress or non progress in your research?
Arabic text of Bukhari 5130
حَدَّثَنَا مُعَلَّى بْنُ أَسَدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا وُهَيْبٌ، عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ عُرْوَةَ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم تَزَوَّجَهَا وَهْىَ بِنْتُ سِتِّ سِنِينَ، وَبَنَى بِهَا وَهْىَ بِنْتُ تِسْعِ سِنِينَ‏.‏ قَالَ هِشَامٌ وَأُنْبِئْتُ أَنَّهَا كَانَتْ عِنْدَهُ تِسْعَ سِنِينَ

Also check:
Narrated Ibn `Umar:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "We are an illiterate nation; we neither write, nor know accounts. The month is like this and this, i.e. sometimes of 29 days and sometimes of thirty days

TenQ:
The hadith you quoted was narrated by the father of your scapegoat Hisham ibn Urwa.
He was just unfortunate to be in the chain of narration.


How about this hadith

Sahih Bukhari Hadith 3894
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet (ﷺ) engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.


Sunan Abi Dawud 2121
Narrated 'Aishah:
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) married me when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said: or Six years. He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old.



Is Hisham ibn Urwa also in the chain of narration?
So, what's your excuse now?

Ohyoudidnt:
Hisham everywhere!

TenQ:
But they are graded as SAHIH!

Ohyoudidnt:
What is Sahih? That it has a verifiable line of transmission?

The authenticity of a hadith report is "best measured by the reliability of the transmitters (known as rāwī pl. ruwāt) of the report.

I have shown you the existence of Hisham in the line of transmission of all the hadith you shared.

Verdict
Your evidence on the age of Aisha is a false and your argument discarded

TenQ:
Fear of confronting the truth will not let you speak the truth about the hadiths below

1. Sunan an-Nasa'i Hadith 3379
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
"The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six , and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine. "

2. Sunan an-Nasa'i Hadith 3258
It was narrated from 'Aishah that the Messenger of Allah married her when she was nine and he died when she was eighteen years old.

3. Sunan an-Nasa'i Hadith 3257
It was narrated that Abu 'Ubaidah said: "Aishah said: 'The Messenger of Allah married me when I was nine and I lived with him for nine years.'"


I have found you other instances WITHOUT your favourite scapegoat Hisham ibn Urwa, so, what is your next excuse?

Ohyoudidnt:
Okay this one doesn't have Ibn Hisham as one of its transmitters but out of all four sources of evidence you presented only 25% is without a questionable transmitter; is this not a FAILURE?

Let me direct you.
Aisha r.a had an elder sister, do research on her and the age gap between them to help you determine Aisha's age.

TenQ:
So many hadiths saying the same thing.

The worst you can call these hadiths is Mursal hadiths, unfortunately for you, they do not have broken chains of reference.

Mohammed had sex with a prepubescent girl. It is recorded in your books.

Or did TenQ manufacture these hadiths!?



I have asked you to present your hadith which claimed that Aisha married Mohammed as a teenager to no avail.

I don't waiting!

TenQ:
So many hadiths saying the same thing.

The worst you can call these hadiths is Mursal hadiths, unfortunately for you, they do not have broken chains of reference.

Mohammed had sex with a prepubescent girl. It is recorded in your books.

Or did TenQ manufacture these hadiths!?



I have asked you to present your hadith which claimed that Aisha married Mohammed as a teenager to no avail.

I don't waiting!

TenQ:
So many hadiths saying the same thing.

The worst you can call these hadiths is Mursal hadiths, unfortunately for you, they do not have broken chains of reference.

Mohammed had sex with a prepubescent girl. It is recorded in your books.

Or did TenQ manufacture these hadiths!?



I have asked you to present your hadith which claimed that Aisha married Mohammed as a teenager to no avail.

I don't waiting!

TenQ:
So many hadiths saying the same thing.

The worst you can call these hadiths is Mursal hadiths, unfortunately for you, they do not have broken chains of reference.

Mohammed had sex with a prepubescent girl. It is recorded in your books.

Or did TenQ manufacture these hadiths!?



I have asked you to present your hadith which claimed that Aisha married Mohammed as a teenager to no avail.

I don't waiting!

TenQ:
Or did TenQ manufacture these hadiths!?

I don't waiting!