Hmm, I just wonder how much more the US can take before stretching its resources too thin to continue. The Ukraine aid is already riling waters at the US parliament, ultimately costing McCarthy his senate leadership. Now Israel on top, while Zelensky is still stretching out his hands for aid. I wonder if China isn't enjoying watching America run dry.

codedguy1:


Did they not know that US will stand with Israel no matter what?

That's why I said they don't calculate anything.

Anyone that puts hand will collect from Israel.

ibinaboonline:
Hmm, I just wonder how much more the US can take before stretching its resources too thin to continue. The Ukraine aid is already riling waters at the US parliament, ultimately costing McCarthy his senate leadership. Now Israel on top, while Zelensky is still stretching out his hands for aid. I wonder if China isn't enjoying watching America run dry.

Leave matter, as long as its Israel, US will back them.

Its because its Ukraine that's why parliament is even barking. This Israel own Parliament will give support.

Israelterrorist:

And you think this is 1948
Ordinary ragtag militias is giving your dog own nation a bloody nose, they had to cry for backup from American.
Just imagine iran vs Israel
Dogs own nation my foot.
Bloody terrorists and land grabbers

cry me a river..by next week,Gaza will be annexed and there is nothing you,Iran,bokoharam,Fulani herdsmen,china and even tinubu can do about it.keep crying while israel brings Gaza to the ground

misreal:
cry me a river..by next week,Gaza will be annexed and there is nothing you,Iran,bokoharam,Fulani herdsmen,china and even tinubu can do about it.keep crying while israel brings Gaza to the ground

Walahi if gaza is destroyed there shall be no isreal inshallah
Jerusalem will go up in flames mark my words

Funny

misreal:
cry me a river..by next week,Gaza will be annexed and there is nothing you,Iran,bokoharam,Fulani herdsmen,china and even tinubu can do about it.keep crying while israel brings Gaza to the ground

ibinaboonline:
I personally can't make the connection of why the Islamic society would think a bloody attack on Israel would scuttle the ongoing bridge-building between the Jewish State and Saudi Arabia. Anyway, who knows what's going on under the table.

It is not the Islamic society as a whole.
Government of Islamic countries prefer practical solutions but a large portion of the citizenry favors radicalism.
Iran wants to be the leader of the Muslim world using the highly emotive Israel-Palestine conflict.
The truth is that the majority Sunni muslim hates Shiite Iran but the Palestinian issue have made them
partially swallow the Iranian bitter pill since it is the only Muslim country which continuously threaten Israel
with total destruction in modern times. Hamas is itself a Sunni.

I am not surprised by these attacks because Iran have been issuing threats and blackmails since the "normalisation"
talks has begun.

Iranian "solution" to the conflict is that it expel all the Israeli from the entire territory even though it knows, it can't work.
Palestinian conflict is the lifeline of Iran in the Islamic world, whatever or whoever attempts to cool it down
is working against Iranian interest.

motayoayinde:
NOPE.

IT IS THE IDF THAT IS SHOCKED BY THE SCALE OF HAMAS OPERATION AND RESILIENCE.

BOMBING EVERYWHERE IN GAZA IS ALWAYS THE DEFAULT, UNTHINKING RESPONSE OF IDF TO HAMAS ATTACKS,

IT'S NOT NEW AND IT NEVER CHANGES ANYTHING.

HAMAS KEEPS GETTING STRONGER.

alawada

BentizilL0:
Israel is overrated...

You mean to say UK, US and their allies response??

israel is overreacted..so whats stopping jordan,syria, iran and hezbollah from a ground invasion into israel..israel got nukes bro. Dont underestimate any country with a nuke.

ibinaboonline:

The Israeli government said two days ago it will act to free the hostages according to the nation's longstanding principle of leaving no prisoner behind. This is as Qatar have held urgent calls with Hamas officials to try to negotiate freedom for Israeli hostages seized by the terrorist group and held in Gaza. However, a Hamas brigade official has said there's "no chance" of prisoner swap talks as long as Israel is bombarding Gaza.

This left me wondering what exactly was Hamas thinking when it launched such a major assault, not just on Israeli soldiers, but ordinary citizens, children, the elderly, and new moms. I have been waiting to see the direction this conflict will go because I refused to accept Hamas just up and invaded Israel as a reaction to "Israel's crimes in Gaza and the desecration of their mosque. I was sure the attack was just a tip of something more sinister cooking under the table, with, perhaps, Iran and Lebanon holding the spoon.

So far, not much to support my private thoughts, or perhaps it's too early for me to conclude? Is something much bigger on the way?

Anyway, my main point here is based on Hamas' remark that there's no talks of prisoner negotiations while Israel bombs Gaza. It immediately reminded me of the videos depicting Hamas fighters training and practicing "how to kidnap IDF soldiers" prior to launching the attack. So, the kidnap was planned, not a case of taking advantage of a random opportunity.

Kidnapping Israelis was part and parcel of Hamas' violent encroachment of Israeli territory. Is it possible, then, Hamas' plan was based on the assumption that Israel won't launch a retaliation when hundreds of its citizens are held hostage in Gaza? Well, it sounds like a smart plan, but apparently a miscalculated smart plan.

I share your conclusion. Perhaps Hamas was thinking Israel would respond with surgical strikes against known Hamas positions (which they would have already abandoned) and not this all out war.

Israelterrorist:
Isreal is over rated
Ordinary ragtag militias are giving them a bloody nose, imagine it was iran, Israel would have been wiped off completely from the earth.
I still blame Hitler for not getting rid of these terrorists when he had the chance to.
Dogs own people my foot

You sound really pained. Why not join Hamas in their fight against Israel make Israel take you do suya

Israelterrorist:

Walahi if gaza is destroyed there shall be no isreal inshallah
Jerusalem will go up in flames mark my words

Oga you and your terrorist friends can do absolutely nothing.
You are just hear making noise meanwhile your Hamas terrosist are hiding In a tunnel.a tunnel that is currently being blown away now.
You think Israel is a country that will allow Islamic terror survive....

Let me offend you with this portion of the holy book.

Zephaniah 2:4
[4]For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up.

motayoayinde:
NOPE.

IT IS THE IDF THAT IS SHOCKED BY THE SCALE OF HAMAS OPERATION AND RESILIENCE.

BOMBING EVERYWHERE IN GAZA IS ALWAYS THE DEFAULT, UNTHINKING RESPONSE OF IDF TO HAMAS ATTACKS,

IT'S NOT NEW AND IT NEVER CHANGES ANYTHING.

HAMAS KEEPS GETTING STRONGER.

Stronger till they all perish 🤣
Only them know what is hitting them now.

Israelterrorist:

Walahi if gaza is destroyed there shall be no isreal inshallah
Jerusalem will go up in flames mark my words

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/11/politics/us-intelligence-iran-hamas-doubt/index.html

Read this my man..
Your Iran saviour were shocked when Hamas attacked.
Meaning them no send Hamas work oh..

Very informative. So, Hamas membership is majorly Sunni? Never thought of that.

ivolt:

It is not the Islamic society as a whole.
Government of Islamic countries prefer practical solutions but a large portion of the citizenry favors radicalism.
Iran wants to be the leader of the Muslim world using the highly emotive Israel-Palestine conflict.
The truth is that the majority Sunni muslim hates Shiite Iran but the Palestinian issue have made them
partially swallow the Iranian bitter pill since it is the only Muslim country which continuously threaten Israel
with total destruction in modern times. Hamas is itself a Sunni.

I am not surprised by these attacks because Iran have been issuing threats and blackmails since the "normalisation"
talks has begun.

Iranian "solution" to the conflict is that it expel all the Israeli from the entire territory even though it knows, it can't work.
Palestinian conflict is the lifeline of Iran in the Islamic world, whatever or whoever attempts to cool it down
is working against Iranian interest.

ExudeLoveToAll:


A second carrier strike group has been notified to enter the theatre, It will arrive in two weeks time.

That's a sufficient deterrent, the combined stealth capabilities from F35, F22raptors, F16, submarines, cruisers, destroyers, frigates and other capabilities is enough to deter any intending aggressor who wishes to join .

When it comes to those folks in the middle east, you never can tell.

But I hope for peace.

Hamas chose by its stupidity to become the guinea pig or lab rat or scape goat for someone else who is protecting his own people from experiencing what Gaza is going through.
You guess is as good as mine.
The funny thing the same people are pushing Lebanon to put head and Hezbollah wants to drag Lebanon into it.
The person pushing them is in his own country denying involvement

ivolt:

It is not the Islamic society as a whole.
Government of Islamic countries prefer practical solutions but a large portion of the citizenry favors radicalism.
Iran wants to be the leader of the Muslim world using the highly emotive Israel-Palestine conflict.
The truth is that the majority Sunni muslim hates Shiite Iran but the Palestinian issue have made them
partially swallow the Iranian bitter pill since it is the only Muslim country which continuously threaten Israel
with total destruction in modern times. Hamas is itself a Sunni.

I am not surprised by these attacks because Iran have been issuing threats and blackmails since the "normalisation"
talks has begun.

Iranian "solution" to the conflict is that it expel all the Israeli from the entire territory even though it knows, it can't work.
Palestinian conflict is the lifeline of Iran in the Islamic world, whatever or whoever attempts to cool it down
is working against Iranian interest.

Exactly

Buccalcavity2:
Since I've been monitoring this, Its the same pattern. Hamas attacks with rockets and Israel retaliates, then they call for a truce. The difference this time is that Hamas bridged the border and physically did what it had always stood for on Israeli citizens and covered it on camera., thereby humiliating and proving Israel right that it's existence is at risk if Hamas exists.
Make no mistake. If those over 5000 rockets found its way into Israel alongside the land assault, Israel would have been history last Saturday!

I just can't see how Hamas did what they did and would not accept the response Israel is now deploying. I think Hamas exactly knows what they are doing, and I've got the feeling they are waiting for the ground war to start. Maybe they've got hold of anti tank rockets from the Russia-Ukraine war, I don't know, but I just think Hamas still have something else up their sleeve.
You simply do not kill over 1000 Israeli citizens and not expect a full invasion of Gazza.

codedguy1:


Nothing will happen to trigger any ww3, at least from this conflict.

Why are the other Arab countries who support Hamas/Palestine not attacking Israel if they feel what Israel is doing is wrong? Bloody cowards. That's only what might trigger a Ww3 because every country will have take sides.

Anyone that puts hand will collect.

bro you think it is about isreal and Palestine? Nah clap Dem still dey .. e go soon enter dance .

Franzinni:
bro you think it is about isreal and Palestine? Nah clap Dem still dey .. e go soon enter dance .

Russia Ukraine is still clapping too. Abi.

Everyone is thinking of the repacussions if its worth it. Would you like to sacrifice the small peacefully sufferings that you are managing than to escalate your situation into worse state when in war.

Hamas was/is very stupid to be goaded by Iran to do this. Now see where they are.

After your homes and little civilisation has been leveled, that's when Israel will say let's talk what will Hamas who would have been reduced to Ha say then.

bjdon:

I just can't see how Hamas did what they did and would not accept the response Israel is now deploying. I think Hamas exactly knows what they are doing, and I've got the feeling they are waiting for the ground war to start. Maybe they've got hold of anti tank rockets from the Russia-Ukraine war, I don't know, but I just think Hamas still have something else up their sleeve.
You simply do not kill over 1000 Israeli citizens and not expect a full invasion of Gazza.

Honestly it's up to Israel and Hamas to do what is best for them. I watched an interview on CNN where a reporter was trying to emotionally blackmail an Israeli. The Israeli tearily answered "what will you have us do? You saw how our citizens (civilians) were slaughtered. you saw the jubilation by Palestinians in Gaza and even in Israel, you are saying we shouldn't attack because Palestinians in Gaza could be injured. Was that the position you took when 9/11 happened? Whose interest should we protect?"
I had no opinion again just like the interviewer after the guys response.

ibinaboonline:

Anyway, my main point here is based on Hamas' remark that there's no talks of prisoner negotiations while Israel bombs Gaza. It immediately reminded me of the videos depicting Hamas fighters training and practicing "how to kidnap IDF soldiers" prior to launching the attack. So, the kidnap was planned, not a case of taking advantage of a random opportunity.

Kidnapping Israelis was part and parcel of Hamas' violent encroachment of Israeli territory. Is it possible, then, Hamas' plan was based on the assumption that Israel won't launch a retaliation when hundreds of its citizens are held hostage in Gaza? Well, it sounds like a smart plan, but apparently a miscalculated smart plan.

Absolutely not!

For starters, Hamas stated that their reason for capturing Israelis was to swap them with tens of thousands of Palestinian prisoners languishing in Israeli jails. It is not the first time that Israel has bombarded Gaza even when Hamas is holding an Israeli captive or threatened to kill the captive. Remember Gilad Shalit, the Israeli soldier captured by Hamas in 2006 during a cross border raid ? Well, Israel promised to unleash hell upon Hamas, if he was not released, and bombed Gaza civilians for months, but at the end Israel and Hamas came to a negotiated settlements in which Hamas freed Gilad Shalit and in exchanged Israel released 1000 Palestinian prisoners to Hamas. In early 2000s and in 2006, Israel released Palestinian prisoners, including many Hamas and Hezbollah leaders in exchange for the bodies of dead Israeli soldiers killed many years prior by Hezbollah. Some of the Israeli captives may die from the bombardment of Gaza, but eventually Israel would still come to negotiating table with Hamas to negotiate the release of those Israeli captives who are dead or alive. Hamas knows this!

Israel response to provocative attack by the Palestinian resistance Hamas is very predictable to those who are familiar with events in that region. Israel initial responses are always reactionary. First, It starts with war of words such as "we would unleash hell on Gazans", "We dont negotiate with terrorists", and blah blah blah. Its next reaction is unleashing extensive destruction and collective bombing upon the civilian population of Gaza, while Hamas fighters for the most part would take shelter along with their captives in well-fortified underground bunkers and trenches within Gaza. But when reality sets in, and the Zionist regime starts feeling the political pressure from families of the kidnapped victims, they would eventually come to a negotiating table for a prisoners swap. So, It's safe to say that Hamas's calculations align with the expectation that Israel's brutal retaliation will primarily impact innocent Palestinian civilians, which is what the world is currently witnessing. After it huffs and puffs to its satisfaction, Israel would eventually come to negotiate a prisoner swap with Hamas. To Hamas militant group, forcing the Zionist govt to a negotiating table to free its prisoners regardless of the cost is a 'military' victory that earns them 'legitimacy' as a resistance group.

Then there is what many would consider a political victory for Hamas as Israel carries out its devastating and predictable retaliation on the civilian population of Gaza. The more Israel unleashes destruction on Palestinian civilians, the more Israel damages its credibility and those of its allies around the global; this phase is already playing out. For starters, the ongoing US sponsored Israeli-Arab/Middle East countries normalization agreements together with the so-called India-Middle east Transport Corridor Plan initiated during the G20 summit and presented by Netanyahu during the recent UNGA , has all been nullified by Hamas. Arab leaders seeking to normalize ties with Israel are now terrified of their populations, and reneging their plans to normalize ties with Israel and are declaring total support for the Palestinian cause. Even King Abdullah of Jordan, the staunchest US and Israel's Arab ally in the region, has vehemently condemned Israel and has also declared support for the Palestinians. He also vehemently denied the rumor being spread that his country has given US the greenlight to station its 101st Airborne Division in Jordan to defend Israel. The Palestinian cause has taken center stage in global discourse in a way it has not done since the creation of the state of Israel, and its significance and resonance within the Arab and Muslim world, especially in the context of a changing multipolar world, cannot be underestimated.

While Israel's immediate response seems to be a heavy-handed bombardment, invasion, and destruction of Gaza, the Israeli military has no doubt been humiliated; its image of invincibility has been dealt a devastating blow by Hamas, a much much smaller foe compared to Hezbollah. So it is no surprise that the Israeli government would want to reclaim its prestige through a ruthless war of annihilation on Gaza with brutality that will be “remembered for the next 50 years" according to the Israeli defense Minister Gallant. However, this level of brutality is precisely what Hamas is banking on, and it is already proving detrimental to the Zionist regime's standing in world's public opinion by laying bear the incessant brutality of occupation to which the Palestinian people are subjected since the creation of the state of Israel.

In the short term, Israel may achieve its military objectives, but in the long run, it would loose the broader battle in the global political arena. US global hegemony and that of its allies is on the decline, hence the Zionist project of perpetual occupation of Palestinian lands is also loosing steam. The Palestinians have remained resolute in their determination not to be overlooked or forgotten. That's what winning is to them. And in this regard, Israel has already lost war.

Wish I can like your comment twice. You know what you are talking about. Very insightful. Thanks for sharing.

Dandal:


Absolutely not!

For starters, Hamas stated that their reason for capturing Israelis was to swap them with tens of thousands of Palestinian prisoners languishing in Israeli jails. It is not the first time that Israel has bombarded Gaza even when Hamas is holding an Israeli captive or threatened to kill the captive. Remember Gilad Shalit, the Israeli soldier captured by Hamas in 2006 during a cross border raid ? Well, Israel promised to unleash hell upon Hamas, if he was not released, and bombed Gaza civilians for months, but at the end Israel and Hamas came to a negotiated settlements in which Hamas freed Gilad Shalit and in exchanged Israel released 1000 Palestinian prisoners to Hamas. In early 2000s and in 2006, Israel released Palestinian prisoners, including many Hamas and Hezbollah leaders in exchange for the bodies of dead Israeli soldiers killed many years prior by Hezbollah. Some of the Israeli captives may die from the bombardment of Gaza, but eventually Israel would still come to negotiating table with Hamas to negotiate the release of those Israeli captives who are dead or alive. Hamas knows this!

Israel response to provocative attack by the Palestinian resistance Hamas is very predictable to those who are familiar with events in that region. Israel initial responses are always reactionary. First, It starts with war of words such as "we would unleash hell on Gazans", "We dont negotiate with terrorists", and blah blah blah. Its next reaction is unleashing extensive destruction and collective bombing upon the civilian population of Gaza, while Hamas fighters for the most part would take shelter along with their captives in well-fortified underground bunkers and trenches within Gaza. But when reality sets in, and the Zionist regime starts feeling the political pressure from families of the kidnapped victims, they would eventually come to a negotiating table for a prisoners swap. So, It's safe to say that Hamas's calculations align with the expectation that Israel's brutal retaliation will primarily impact innocent Palestinian civilians, which is what the world is currently witnessing. After it huffs and puffs to its satisfaction, Israel would eventually come to negotiate a prisoner swap with Hamas. To Hamas militant group, forcing the Zionist govt to a negotiating table to free its prisoners regardless of the cost is a 'military' victory that earns them 'legitimacy' as a resistance group.

Then there is what many would consider a political victory for Hamas as Israel carries out its devastating and predictable retaliation on the civilian population of Gaza. The more Israel unleashes destruction on Palestinian civilians, the more Israel damages its credibility and those of its allies around the global; this phase is already playing out. For starters, the ongoing US sponsored Israeli-Arab/Middle East countries normalization agreements together with the so-called India-Middle east Transport Corridor Plan initiated during the G20 summit and presented by Netanyahu during the recent UNGA , has all been nullified by Hamas. Arab leaders seeking to normalize ties with Israel are now terrified of their populations, and reneging their plans to normalize ties with Israel and are declaring total support for the Palestinian cause. Even King Abdullah of Jordan, the staunchest US and Israel's Arab ally in the region, has vehemently condemned Israel and has also declared support for the Palestinians. He also vehemently denied the rumor being spread that his country has given US the greenlight to station its 101st Airborne Division in Jordan to defend Israel. The Palestinian cause has taken center stage in global discourse in a way it has not done since the creation of the state of Israel, and its significance and resonance within the Arab and Muslim world, especially in the context of a changing multipolar world, cannot be underestimated.

While Israel's immediate response seems to be a heavy-handed bombardment, invasion, and destruction of Gaza, the Israeli military has no doubt been humiliated; its image of invincibility has been dealt a devastating blow by Hamas, a much much smaller foe compared to Hezbollah. So it is no surprise that the Israeli government would want to reclaim its prestige through a ruthless war of annihilation on Gaza with brutality that will be “remembered for the next 50 years" according to the Israeli defense Minister Gallant. However, this level of brutality is precisely what Hamas is banking on, and it is already proving detrimental to the Zionist regime's standing in world's public opinion by laying bear the incessant brutality of occupation to which the Palestinian people are subjected since the creation of the state of Israel.

In the short term, Israel may achieve its military objectives, but in the long run, it would loose the broader battle in the global political arena. US global hegemony and that of its allies is on the decline, hence the Zionist project of perpetual occupation of Palestinian lands is also loosing steam. The Palestinians have remained resolute in their determination not to be overlooked or forgotten. That's what winning is to them. And in this regard, Israel has already lost war.

This war will not end today nor will it dissipate in the next fifty years. Watch and enjoy, don’t think much of it. A twelve year old Palestinian child said he’d experienced the conflict four times in his lifetime, na him children on Nairaland believe it will end once and for all next month. I laugh in poverty mentality.

codedguy1:


Russia Ukraine is still clapping too. Abi.

Everyone is thinking of the repacussions if its worth it. Would you like to sacrifice the small peacefully sufferings that you are managing than to escalate your situation into worse state when in war.

Hamas was/is very stupid to be goaded by Iran to do this. Now see where they are.

After your homes and little civilisation has been leveled, that's when Israel will say let's talk what will Hamas who would have been reduced to Ha say then.

bro to be honest I don't care about Palestine or isreal... They are the same to me, my concern is the battle looks orchestrated for the execution of a greater plan.... You won't find a dog attacking a lion unless there is something it is smoking or the lion is dead.

Franzinni:
bro to be honest I don't care about Palestine or isreal... They are the same to me, my concern is the battle looks orchestrated for the execution of a greater plan.... You won't find a dog attacking a lion unless there is something it is smoking or the lion is dead.

You might be right but truth is, these terrorist only think towards killing people and once that is achieved they can die as matyrs.

Israel and Palestine are not the same. If Hamas/Palestine have half of what Israel have there would be no Israel.

Just look at the little serenity the middle east has been enjoying which probably is the reason Israel relaxed and then boom from no where these guys hit them.

Saudi where even trying to normalise relationship with Israel like UAE and Bahrain.

codedguy1:


You might be right but truth is, these terrorist only think towards killing people and once that is achieved they can die as matyrs.

Israel and Palestine are not the same. If Hamas/Palestine have half of what Israel have there would be no Israel.

Just look at the little serenity the middle east has been enjoying which probably is the reason Israel relaxed and then boom from no where these guys hit them.

Saudi where even trying to normalise relationship with Israel like UAE and Bahrain.

when I say they are the same I mean in terms of intolerance to minorities, I laugh when I see christian praise the Jews forgetting that christians are being persecuted too alongside the Muslims. I quite frankly don't care about the both of them I just hope it's not the beginning of something more disasterous

Buccalcavity2:

Honestly it's up to Israel and Hamas to do what is best for them. I watched an interview on CNN where a reporter was trying to emotionally blackmail an Israeli. The Israeli tearily answered "what will you have us do? You saw how our citizens (civilians) were slaughtered. you saw the jubilation by Palestinians in Gaza and even in Israel, you are saying we shouldn't attack because Palestinians in Gaza could be injured. Was that the position you took when 9/11 happened? Whose interest should we protect?"
I had no opinion again just like the interviewer after the guys response.

I agree, at this point I think the world should just let them fight it out. I can't see Israel and the Palestinians ever living side by side in peace and harmony.