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BobbieZion:
Why has Boeing not come to an end even after killing more people?

There's more to this than just the crash. I think politics was involved

ecolime:
Used to read about Concorde planes as a kid. Super fast but poor safety records.

RIP to all the lost souls

How can you say an aircraft which recorded just 1 fatal crash in its over 30 year history has poor safety record?

arcahmad:
If you want to arrive on time, go early. Safety first and life no get duplicate..

either ways at the end we all gonna die, live life on the fast lane, enjoy every moment of it, cos we dont live twice. fuvk any history book saying otherwise

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GYBABA:
As they say, if you commit 100 acts & 99 of them are good, the Only one that's bad will tarnish and envelope all 99 actions making it look like you did not tangible. This plane was operational 27 years and just once within the 27 years it had a ghastly problem, that ended its reign. RIP to all those that perished. They could have just made modification & allow it to keep being used. Atleast cars in the past used to be less safe including some other gadgets & machineries until these gadgets were modified to guarantee safety. But nah let's trash it.

cost of maintainance was very high, and only the wealthy could book a sit on the concord i guess those where the turn off.

ednut1:
Africans when will they call our name and products in these kind of innovations👀

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While countries like China start teaching Science, Maths and Technology from Elementary schools, Nigerians are teaching their kids to pray and fast in preparation for the uncertainties on earth. And if any kid dares show signs of having unique talents, Akwaibom people will term him a wizard and roast him alive.

Two different mindsets.

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Golden era of concorde, champagne and old school money.

Back then, when concorde is flying over your roof, YOU MUST KNOW

BobbieZion:
Why has Boeing not come to an end even after killing more people?

You may or may not like the answer to your question but I'll tell you anywayz. Answer: American political blackmail and dominance. It might interest you also to know that "Concorde" was so named because the craft was built by a joint effort of U.K. and French engineers, two countries that have a very long history of war against each other as well as a love/hate affair, so when the project was conceived, a most appropriate name, "Concorde" (which means "agreement", peace or any arrangement that suggest mutual agreement amongst parties) was chosen for it, which brings us to the American part of the story. Concord, at the time would have been nothing short of a quantum leap in the aviation industry, which was at the time dominated by the Americans with their much slower line of Boeing jet craft and presented a clear threat to this American dominance, a thing that they were most keenly aware of. It would also interest you to know that Concord was banned from flying in American airspace almost as soon as it's inception by the responsible authorities there for the flimsy excuse that the sonic boom that the craft caused as it went super-sonic was a danger to general public. To cut the long story short, the reason why Concord planes are scarce in our airports and we instead have to make do with much slower Boeing jets is because of the almighty U.S.A.

Pootle:
cost of maintainance was very high, and only the wealthy could book a sit on the concord i guess those where the turn off.

Not true. In Aviation, virtually all the cost of operation is in jet fuel, and theoretically the Concord should actually use less fuel to cover the same distance than your run-of-the-mill Boeing because its exhaust velocity was higher(Tchikovski equation) so the cost per ticket would have been lower if the market was allowed to advance the technology naturally. The reason why Concord died is because the Americans wanted it to die.

Alusiizizi:
Not true. In Aviation, virtually all the cost of operation is in jet fuel, and theoretically the Concord should actually use less fuel to cover the same distance than your run-of-the-mill Boeing because its exhaust velocity was higher(Tchikovski equation) so the cost per ticket would have been lower if the market was allowed to advance the technology naturally. The reason why Concord died is because the Americans wanted it to die.

kindly read more on concord

They should hand over the Concorde technology to the Chinese , they will improve on it

Ameboperoo:
There's more to this than just the crash. I think politics was involved

True, more precisely, U.S political blackmail. If Concorde was allowed to develop, the U.S dominance in aviation would have long since died.

BobbieZion:
Why has Boeing not come to an end even after killing more people?

Ameboperoo:
There's more to this than just the crash. I think politics was involved

The simple answer was that Concorde cost too much to fly...too much to maintain, and too much to land. Then there was noise pollution and so forth

But mostly cost. A one way flight on concorde would cost the equivalent of 5000 US dollars in today's money. And that is one way.

superCleanworks:
Back then, when concorde is flying over your roof, YOU MUST KNOW

Yes, it was very noisy. The next generation is in production and some airlines have been signing up.

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Alusiizizi:
True, more precisely, U.S political blackmail. If Concorde was allowed to develop, the U.S dominance in aviation would have long since died.

No, it cost too much to maintain and too much to fly

A flight from London to Washington would have cost the equivalent of 5000 dollars one way, 12000 dollars two way. In today's money, assuming the thing was flying.

Add the fact that it was cramped and uncomfortable. And noisy. Some countries had to ban the thing

Plus you needed to expand your runway to accomodate the thing. Not something many countries could afford....

At the end of the day, USA had nothing to do with it. (Considering that Aribus is still doing big business and nothing has happened).

InvertedHammer:
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While countries like China start teaching Science, Maths and Technology from Elementary schools, Nigerians are teaching their kids to pray and fast in preparation for the uncertainties on earth. And if any kid dares show signs of having unique talents, Akwaibom people will term him a wizard and roast him alive.

Two different mindsets.

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Hang on, Nigeria teaches Science, Maths and Tech from elementary school. Relgious studies still has fewer hours than even English and Maths.

We aren't technologically developed because we believe that by selling raw materials, we can buy things we should be making in the first instance. And we have tons of raw materials. We haven't grasped that we could make more money using the raw materials to make goods and services

Also, we despise technical studies. We encourage far too many people to go to universities and graduate with paper degree...and the fact is white collar jobs pay better than blue collar... Meanwhile, just as the Sergenats and NCO's run armies , its the technicians that build an industrial and scientific society. WE don't have enough of them

It's an end of an era.

PRAYER IS OUR FIRST PRIORITY, NOTHING WE CAN DO,WE ONLY POST TOPIC ABOUT THE ADVANCE COUNTRY,HERE MIRACLE IS WHAT WE NEED NOT IDEA AND INTELLIGENCE

nairalanda1:
No, it cost too much to maintain and too much to fly

It was more expensive to maintain, true, but the overwhelming cost was jet fuel. It might interest you to know that if the Concorde was allowed to develop it's business model that a Concorde ticket, per mile, would have been less expensive that a standard plane ticket.

nairalanda1:
Add the fact that it was cramped and uncomfortable. And noisy. Some countries had to ban the thing

Noisy. This was the narrative that the Americans used to kill the Concorde, and it doesn't take more than a moments thought to see that their narrative was bullshit, here's why. The craft takes off from the ground to reach cruise altitude, not yet super-sonic and so we don't have a noise issue. At cruising altitude the craft moves onto supersonic mode, but at this height the fake noise issue that the Americans used to blackmail the whole thing is totally moot because the plane is so far away from anywhere that matters, in fact, the U.K. modified their operations to exactly this strategy but by then it was too late, the U.S. public was already sold on the "danger" of a Concorde jet and the rest was history.

nairalanda1:
Plus you needed to expand your runway to accomodate the thing. Not something many countries could afford....

This is another fake concern. The runway did not need to be extended by much because the craft does not go supersonic until it was at cruising altitude. The main reason for the extended runway was because the Concordes wing to body ratio was a bit smaller than that of a standard jet craft and not by much.

nairalanda1:
At the end of the day, USA had nothing to do with it. (Considering that Aribus is still doing big business and nothing has happened).

Totally disagree. The U.S.A was the singular force that eventually killed this great advance in aircraft design and sound business model. Basically, by denying it of a large market base(i.e. the U.S.A fliers) they ensured that the Concorde would never be more than a curiosity.

This is where it would be helpful to have a small discussion on transportation logistics and the science of rocketry. The Concorde achieves supersonic speed by increasing its jet exhaust velocity so in principle the cost of transporting one Kg per mile should have been less expensive when compared to a standard Boeing(this is a result of Tchiakovskys rocket equation). The issue was with the logistics of the business model, basically a good customer base is needed by an airline to keep operations afloat(I think I remember reading somewhere that an airplane must be filled up to at least 25% capacity in any given flight just to make enough money to pay for all that jet fuel, pay employees and do all the required maintenance) and it is in this aspect that the Americans sniped them down. The attacks came almost as soon as they started operations. Before long Concord jets were totally banned from the U.S.A, depriving them of that much needed customer base and relegating them to a niche market that only operated in some parts of the Europe. The U.S.A really did a number on them.

Also, just to let you know, who do you think is the latest emerging player in supersonic passenger jet craft but the very same U.S.A that we are currently arguing about(I don't have the name of their front runner program at the moment but I'll be sure to look it up again), and when they eventually debut their line of supersonic jets can you guess how those will look like.

This life only favors the powerful, forget justice, ethics, responsibility and such, power pays for them all.

Alusiizizi:
Noisy. This was the narrative that the Americans used to kill the Concorde, and it doesn't take more than a moments thought to see that their narrative was bullshit, here's why. The craft takes off from the ground to reach cruise altitude, not yet super-sonic and so we don't have a noise issue. At cruising altitude the craft moves onto supersonic mode, but at this height the fake noise issue that the Americans used to blackmail the whole thing is totally moot because the plane is so far away from anywhere that matters, in fact, the U.K. modified their operations to exactly this strategy but by then it was too late, the U.S. public was already sold on the "danger" of a Concorde jet and the rest was history.

Concorde was noisy and I am not talking over the Atlantic Ocean. When Concorde was flying over the skies of London, you will know that's Concorde. It used to shatter windows. It must be a total nightmare for those living close to the airport. Even without the accident, I don't think it will still be flying today as it has passed it sell by date The noise pollution won't be accepted.
The next generation supersonic planes should be cleaner and less noisy.

Personally I prefer faster planes than bigger planes.

Pootle:
cost of maintainance was very high, and only the wealthy could book a sit on the concord i guess those where the turn off.

Oh I see

nairalanda1:
Hang on, Nigeria teaches Science, Maths and Tech from elementary school. Relgious studies still has fewer hours than even English and Maths.

We aren't technologically developed because we believe that by selling raw materials, we can buy things we should be making in the first instance. And we have tons of raw materials. We haven't grasped that we could make more money using the raw materials to make goods and services

Also, we despise technical studies. We encourage far too many people to go to universities and graduate with paper degree...and the fact is white collar jobs pay better than blue collar... Meanwhile, just as the Sergenats and NCO's run armies , its the technicians that build an industrial and scientific society. WE don't have enough of them

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You answered your own questions. Teaching Science and Maths without application is a waste of time and energy. I wish I could post the video of Elementary students in China disassembling and assembling hand guns. Teaching Science and Technology is not about memorizing equations and using it to solve problems on paper.
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InvertedHammer:
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You answered your own questions. Teaching Science and Maths without application is a waste of time and energy. I wish I could post the video of Elementary students in China disassembling and assembling hand guns. Teaching Science and Technology is not about memorizing equations and using it to solve problems on paper.
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The thing is, the resource dependent economy we run makes it more attractive to import than to make things, roughly speaking. That means there is no incentive to create industrial jobs here...and in a way that affects attitudes towards creating an industrial economy.

China had no choice. They had to industrialize because they had a population that was too large to be sustained by 'selling oil' as we do...even if they found it.

I was attacking your premise that Nigerian kids get taught religion at school and no science (I myself am religious, and back when I was in secondary school, hours dedicated to CRK/IRK in my school...maybe 1 hour a week. By contrast, Maths was like 5-6 hours or more in a week. In Senior Sec school, religious studies became an elective. I chose not to do it because I did not need it for uni admission.). In a way, we are not like China because 'we think we can make a living selling raw materials.' Problem is, our population has grown too big for 'just selling cocoa, cotton, palmoil, groundnut and tin and so on' to sustain.

Maybe one day we would get a government that would wake up to the reality....we don't have enough resources, so we better start applying some science and tech. Fast.

My encounter with this aircraft was in year 2000 when it landed at Abuja Airport. For this who witnessed this, the noise was equivalent of a fighter jet flying at low altitude.

Landing and take off got everyone talking. The then Minister of Aviation welcomed the passengers and pilots crew to the airport.

He even took pictures.

Sadly they only refuelled and stayed for probably forty five minutes to one hour before leaving.

This is not fiction but a true.

These people have gone very far technologically. But Africa is way behind. Not that we don't have talents but our leaders don't make it conducive for them

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chiself:
Concorde was noisy and I am not talking over the Atlantic Ocean. When Concorde was flying over the skies of London, you will know that's Concorde. It used to shatter windows. It must be a total nightmare for those living close to the airport. Even without the accident, I don't think it will still be flying today as it has passed it sell by date The noise pollution won't be accepted.
The next generation supersonic planes should be cleaner and less noisy.

Personally I prefer faster planes than bigger planes.

As long as an object is breaking the sound barrier, it will be very noisy. My point is that the Concorde was well below the sound barrier before landing.