₦airaland Forum

TMKsouth:
I see you're one very confused wannabe wise guy. Go read up on how Israel treats and historically treated people in the occupied Palestinian territories as the occupier. I've provided u with the reading sources.

You're stuck on referring to internal policies within the state of Israel itself and think u're making valid points about the definition of apartheid. You're wasting our time.

TMKsouth:
President Cyril Ramaphosa says officials were working on an evacuation plan for South Africans who are trapped in the conflict between Israel and Palestine.

Ramaphosa, who was attending the National Executive Committee meeting of the ruling ANC party on Saturday, said they have also received calls from various countries in the Middle East to send humanitarian assistance to Gaza.

Hundreds of thousands of people in Gaza have been without water, food and electricity for almost a week since Israel started bombing Gaza. Israel also cut off the supply of fuel, water and electricity.

But Ramaphosa and the ANC NEC condemned the decision by the Israeli government to force 1.1 million people in northern Gaza to move to southern Gaza.

He said what was happening in Gaza amounted to genocide and the world must stand up for the Palestinians.

South Africa was willing to participate in any peace process to resolve the conflict between Israel and Palestine.

As you know this is an unfolding situation and it changes hour by hour. Our government agencies, our international relations department as well as our intelligence services and our defence intelligence are monitoring the situation on an ongoing basis,” said Ramaphosa.

“To this end we have called on the international community, the United Nations and all other concerned organisations that peace is restored in Palestine and that the Israeli government is directed at withdrawing this command of getting people out of northern part of Gaza because in the end it is going to amount to almost genocide as many people are going to die.

“As we speak now half-a-million people, who are Palestinians, have been displaced. They have been removed from their homes, they live in schools and other areas as well. This is the most tragic situation and almost dangerous situation that the people of Palestine have been exposed to,” said Ramaphosa.

He said humanitarian corridors must be opened to allow for the supply of food, water, fuel and other needs. Electricity must also be restored to the people of Gaza.

Ramaphosa said they were also concerned that the conflict may spill over into the Middle East and drag other countries in the region.

There were already conflicts in Africa and Ukraine, and the world cannot afford to have another conflict.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
I stand with Palestine 100%

Arapmoi22:
Do you know that the God of Hausa Fulani has also given Nigeria to them?
That is why they will soon take Southern Kaduna, Jos and Benue and others in future time.
If God of Israel can give them another Man's land, why can't the God of Hausa-Fulanis do same?
Except for hypocrisy.

ringi82:
You keep making references to Isreal as a state and the conditions inherent in that state. Have you forgotten there's a place called Gaza, where more than 2 million Palestinians have been constrained and been under blockade by Isreal since 2007? Are there Palestinians living in Isreal?

Coolgent:
The rather die in their ancestors land than migrate

SunMusk:
Lol, you bring the bible in it. So I have to point you to the bible, even the Muslims Quoran through their prophet Muhammad confirm the Jews live in the Land. before they were scatter to different parts of the world. Many people knows about the Temple mount. Human history is in favour of the Jews. Then the partition of the land, if you feel their injustice in the division of the land accept it, established your nation then fight for the whole land but unfortunately the Arab Palestine reject the partition plan. Until now no nations for them. Nation that was giving to Them in 1947 thy reject thy re begging for it now. Wisdom is everything. But if you look at other picture of the whole story if the Jews will have been defeated in the 1948 war we will not be talking. So the Jews re for peace, Arab want war.

Arapmoi22:
Religion is the problem of African.
No brain to think again.

Same people who claimed God gave Israel the land, didn't know the Perizites, Jebusites and the canaanites were there before.

If these people should leave the canaan in peace for Israel as you posited, why can't the Southern Kaduna people give up their land for the Hausa-Fulanis who God is giving Southern Kaduna to?

And why are many of you raising eyebrows about it when you know the earth is the Lord's?

No wonder the only book oyinbo translated to all dialects is the bible.

Any other one that can make us think independent is left in English language only.
Engineering books not in Efik, Science and technology not written in Yoruba. Accounting books not written in itshekiri. Neither are Accounting books written in Ibibio.

Bible is written in all because it will condition our minds to think in subsections and it will get to the lowliest.



But all other knowledges kept a bit far.

TheSuperX:
First of all Israel drew the first blood by oppressing, killing and harrasing Palestinians for decades even ejecting them from their homes, would you stay quiet if someone that you gave lands starts oppressing you, stealing more of your lands and torturing you and even killing your own people?

Palestinians have been going through alot for decades now, going through pains and torture on their own lands, what would you say about that?

It's true the case here isn't about religion, that's not the bone of contention and I don't even give a damn about the so called Hamas. alot of people are protesting because of the pains and travails Palestinians are facing in their lives orchestrated by the evil Zionist Israeli government.

Daystar7:
You must consider yourself to be a thinking machine innit? God gave the land flowing with milk and honey to Abraham. He told him to come out from his fathers house in Ur, Mesopotamia (IraQ) from there Abraham settled in Haran which is in the South Eastern Turkey today. When he was 75 he left Haran and entered Canaan settling in Bethel. All this while he was yet to have a Son. At this time there was no Christianity or Islam but ur thinking head is linking this to Christianity that didn't exist at the time. This is pure history. He had Ishmael who are the Arabs today and Isaac who gave birth to two sons, Jacob was loved and chosen by God. Esau lived in seir in the valley of Jordan and married Canaanites. Jacob having 12 sons established the 12 tribes of Israel as Jacob was renamed to Israel. Canaan was the promised land and had inhabitants with 7 major cities some of which you mentioned already. So where's the religion you wailing about come into the picture. Jacob (Israel) and all his 12 sons lived in Egypt in the city of Goshen when there was famine in Canaan. They were yet to possess any land in Canaan at this time. They lived with their father in Shechem which where Jacob settled after leaving his Uncle laban in Haran. They lived good life in Egypt cos God had already elevated their little brother Joseph whom they sold into slavery in Egypt. This generation died along with the the Pharoah of their time before the new Pharoah came along and hated the Israelites for no reason, it was during this time they thought of Going back to Canaan. The Pharoah wouldn't let them go but subjected them instead into Slavery. God prepared Moses to lead them out of Egypt. He eventually did but again wasted another 40 years in the wilderness of Egypt compassing mount Sinai for a period of 40 years. The generation that left Egypt all died in the Wilderness, Moses and Aaron were the only ones that came close to Canaan but neither entered it as they first camped on the hill of Canaan. Moses then led the war over Jericho. The first city they subdued. They shared the land while they still carried on the war to possess the lands led by Joshua after the death of Moses. They crossed over Jordan rivers Tigris and Euphrates into Canaan Proper. Took some part of it, settled with some people instead of killing them as God had instructed. Infact Joshua didn't complete the task and they lived together with the Canaanites for a long time before the time of David. The Philistias from Crete started invading Canaan as well, they Occupied Gaza and seeked to expand further. They engage the Israelites numerous times till David subdued them once and for all by killing Goliath and chased them down to the strips of Gaza. David infact subdued the whole of Canaan and ruled over it king. The problem was that the original inhabitants lived with them. The seven are the Canaanites, Amorites, perizzites, Girgashites, Jebusites, Hittites and Hivites. Canaan extend beyond this cities into parts of Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. David ruled over all of it as it was now known the kingdom of Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem. So also did king Solomon who fought no single war during his reign and built the temple of the Lord in Jerusalem where the whole of Israelites together with the original Canaanites who lived among them worshipped. So ur stupid rambling of making Southern Kaduna a kind of an Analogy to Canaan is dumb.
Canaan has no religious tie to it. You don't know how stupid you sound. Saying so much yet making no point. Jesus Christ was born out of the lineage of Abraham Isaac and Jacob (Israel) from the house of David as a Jew as well, Christianity started after his ascension to heaven. Islam came centuries later from Ishmael descendants who lived in desert (Arabs) in Mohammed. Ishmael is not chosen, Isaac is! At this time Israelites were already established in Canaan. So what connection has any of this with religion or just proudly being stupid? God told David of what's to be of his Kingdom due to his Sins, told so to Solomon too which what is happening today but you seem to somehow know more than ur Creator. The Philistias that lived in Gaza are extinct after they were subdued and raided by the Assyrians, nothing is heard or left of them. The west bank where Jerusalem is, somehow now controlled by Palestine Israel no longer has direct access or control to all the holy lands, not Nazareth not Bethlehem. How? Who are the Palestines and where do they come from? They are partly Canaanites, Jordan, Syria Lebanon who lived there while the Israelites were scattered abroad.
During the Oslo accords Israel handed over Gaza to Palestines as a way to pacify them as they never had control over Gaza at any point of their history cos the Philistias lived there. Now if we want to talk about religion I'll tell you that Christianity borne out the lineage of the promised child is the one true religion. Jesus said I'm the way, the truth and life, no one comes to the Father except through me. This words has deep meaning. A religion borne out of Ishmael can't be the true religion as he has no legitimacy. Go and get your self educated and stop trying to be clever by half cos u sound very stupid.

Nvestor02:
Anybody that hold Palestine flag you please raise it high. Even the bible stated it clearly that the land doesn't belong to the Israel but to the Cannanite.

From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free.

ebenholer2:
ANYONE WHO THINKS THE ISRAELIS ARE WRONG SHOULD ARGUE WITH GOD COS MY OWN BIBLE CANNOT BE WRONG. GOD WAS THE ONE WHO GAVE THOSE LANDS TO ISRAEL AS INHERITANCE AND SO NOBODY SHOULD ARGUE THAT.

TMKsouth:
SA shares a common struggle with Palestine against apartheid.

Botragelad:
You are ignorant!
The situations in Israel and South Africa are not identical. Israel is a complex and diverse society, with multiple ethnic and religious groups living together. South Africa, under apartheid, was a very different society, with a strict system of racial segregation in place.

One key difference between Israel and South Africa is the concept of citizenship. All citizens of Israel, regardless of race or religion, have equal rights under the law. In South Africa, non-white citizens were not considered equal, and were denied basic rights and freedoms. Right or wrong?
Israel has an elected government, while South Africa was ruled by a white minority that denied the majority of its citizens the right to vote. These are just a few of the differences between the two societies, which make the comparison of apartheid and Israel inaccurate. Again, do you understand what apartheid mean!

Arapmoi22:
I don't need to call you stupid for typing all you typed. My respect for the time you spent typing.

These are stories I knew as a Bible student at 18.

All the stories you typed did not say where Abraham's father's land was.

It only said their God promised them a land.

But the God of Hausa-Fulani can not promise them your own father's land.

What Hypocrisy can not do does not exist.

softwerk:
See small nyash dey shake ohh

Daystar7:
Bible study my foot. Head slamming terrorist like you trying to correlate Canaan to Southern Kaduna. Abraham left his fathers house in Ur, which is in Mesopotamia, Mesopotamia is in Babylon, Babylon is in IraQ. So Abraham's Father, Tehran by name is from IraQ. That's where his land is. But God called him out of his fathers house to build a new nation. Abraham left and settled in South Eastern Turkey ( Harran) from Haran he finally settled in Bethel and told him He 'll give him all of Canaan to his descendants. If you have with why God will give Canaan to Abraham go and question Him and stop moving mad already. If you think God has anything to do with Ishmaelites born religion of head slamming terrorist to now ask jihadian Hausa Fulani to go collect Southern Kaduna then you're clearly beyond stupid and don't deserve my time. Now Bleep off n don't quote me again

Nightwolf1:
The Balfour declaration of 1917 is the genesis of this problem by the British Government after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

The British Government is directly responsible for the carnage and genocide going on between the Jews and Arabs in Palestine.

Postinor:
u are a bastard and fool, so if someone steals ur land u will sit and be looking abi,u won't go on the offensive

Arapmoi22:
Why is it Hard for you to understand that Abraham Father's land is Ur of Chaldean in IraQ?

That is exactly the rightful place for his children to inherit lands.

He only came to Canaan to steal someone else's land in the name of (My God told me).

If that is acceptable, tell me why Fulani should not take over plateau, southern Kaduna and Benue in the nearest future.

Or can't Fulani's God too give them another man's land?

Religion is the opium of the masses.

Mind conditioning.

Arapmoi22:
Israel's father's Land is in Ur of Chaldeans (Presently located in Iraq/Iran Border).

Abraham was Born in Ur of Chaldean.

Any of Abraham's children is entitled to land in Ur of Chaldeans (Father's land).

The land they went to temporarily occupied in Haran (Modern day Turkey/Syria border) and permanently occupied in Canaan (Modern day West Bank, Gaza & Israel) were not originally their father's land.

They only migrated to possess what actually belonged to someone else. Bible did not argue this.

Just that they felt entitled that someone they believed told their father (Abraham) that he would give them another man's land.

In Genesis to Deuteronomy, bible did not tell us that those lands belonged to nobody. It told us that the occupiers (Israel) should go and contend with the indigenous people.

Imagine someone come to your hometown now, and say that one god of his fathers says he has given them your town for a possession, how will you respond?

Many who kept on cheering Israel don't read Bible. Many who read it are living in hypocrisy as if God did not create all humans.

My Brother, we might have disagreed on many other issues, but on Israel's occupation of Gaza and West Bank, I agree with you 100%.

Lemme say this. Many of us who claimed Christianity do not understand the bible.

Christians are Christ-like people. Are the Jews perpetrating apartheid against the Palestinians Christian? NO.
This same annihilation was what they did to JESUS CHRIST.

I am for Christ who preached LOVE.
I am not for TORAH that preached an eye for an eye.

Botragelad:
I'm afraid you are mistaken in using the term "apartheid" to describe it. Israel is not an apartheid state, and there are significant differences between its policies and those of South Africa under apartheid.

• On the ground of segregation, apartheid in South Africa enforced a strict separation of races in all aspects of life, from education, health, housing, transport, employment, marriage, and voting. Non-whites were denied citizenship and forced to live in designated areas called Bantustans, which were poor and underdeveloped.

Israel does not segregate its citizens or residents based on race or ethnicity. All Israeli citizens, regardless of their background, have equal rights and duties under the law. They can live, work, study, travel, marry, and vote anywhere in the country. Israel also provides or provided services and infrastructure to the Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, who are not Israeli citizens but have their own authorities and institutions.

• On the ground of discrimination, apartheid in South Africa discriminated against non-whites in every sphere of society. Non-whites were subjected to inferior and unequal treatment, such as lower wages, poorer education, inadequate health care, restricted movement, and limited political representation. Again, Israel does not discriminate against its citizens or residents based on race or ethnicity. All Israeli citizens have equal access and opportunities to education, health care, etc.

• On grounds of race you made mention of, South Africa was based on the ideology of white supremacy and racial hierarchy. It classified people into four racial groups: white, black, coloured (mixed race), and Asian. It assigned different rights and privileges to each group according to their skin colour and ancestry.
Tell me, is Israel based on any racial ideology or hierarchy? Simple sense.

There is no comparison between Israel and South Africa under apartheid. Stop misusing the word!

Nvestor02:
Anybody that hold Palestine flag you please raise it high. Even the bible stated it clearly that the land doesn't belong to the Israel but to the Cannanite.

From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free.

Karnice600:
So the whole world had no history prior to 1960, Abi?

This is how rural madness starts. Next phase is public address at the market square.

TMKsouth:
President Cyril Ramaphosa says officials were working on an evacuation plan for South Africans who are trapped in the conflict between Israel and Palestine.

Ramaphosa, who was attending the National Executive Committee meeting of the ruling ANC party on Saturday, said they have also received calls from various countries in the Middle East to send humanitarian assistance to Gaza.

Hundreds of thousands of people in Gaza have been without water, food and electricity for almost a week since Israel started bombing Gaza. Israel also cut off the supply of fuel, water and electricity.

But Ramaphosa and the ANC NEC condemned the decision by the Israeli government to force 1.1 million people in northern Gaza to move to southern Gaza.

He said what was happening in Gaza amounted to genocide and the world must stand up for the Palestinians.

South Africa was willing to participate in any peace process to resolve the conflict between Israel and Palestine.

As you know this is an unfolding situation and it changes hour by hour. Our government agencies, our international relations department as well as our intelligence services and our defence intelligence are monitoring the situation on an ongoing basis,” said Ramaphosa.

“To this end we have called on the international community, the United Nations and all other concerned organisations that peace is restored in Palestine and that the Israeli government is directed at withdrawing this command of getting people out of northern part of Gaza because in the end it is going to amount to almost genocide as many people are going to die.

“As we speak now half-a-million people, who are Palestinians, have been displaced. They have been removed from their homes, they live in schools and other areas as well. This is the most tragic situation and almost dangerous situation that the people of Palestine have been exposed to,” said Ramaphosa.

He said humanitarian corridors must be opened to allow for the supply of food, water, fuel and other needs. Electricity must also be restored to the people of Gaza.

Ramaphosa said they were also concerned that the conflict may spill over into the Middle East and drag other countries in the region.

There were already conflicts in Africa and Ukraine, and the world cannot afford to have another conflict.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
I stand with Palestine 100%

AfroBeatDiary:
You don't know history so I won't engage you, besides you're probably a jihadist so why should I waste my precious time on you?

Botragelad:
You are ignorant!
The situations in Israel and South Africa are not identical. Israel is a complex and diverse society, with multiple ethnic and religious groups living together. South Africa, under apartheid, was a very different society, with a strict system of racial segregation in place.

One key difference between Israel and South Africa is the concept of citizenship. All citizens of Israel, regardless of race or religion, have equal rights under the law. In South Africa, non-white citizens were not considered equal, and were denied basic rights and freedoms. Right or wrong?
Israel has an elected government, while South Africa was ruled by a white minority that denied the majority of its citizens the right to vote. These are just a few of the differences between the two societies, which make the comparison of apartheid and Israel inaccurate. Again, do you understand what apartheid mean!

TMKsouth:
I'm a South African and understand apartheid better than you can ever imagine - even if u posted a 1000 page dissertation on this thread. No Nigerian will ever understand what apartheid is or feels like, so give up son. This is apartheid, its not a term we apply loosely to any country.