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thinkmoney:
Well u just quoted some verses that has nothing to do with your claim.
Nothing in the Bible say angels can’t move around. In fact we have several instances where angels came to earth for several reasons.
Nothing there in Genesis speculates that Satan was on earth because he had been cast down. In fact the record suggest otherwise. Even years after devils rebellion in Eden, he was still able to go to heaven even to the very presence of God.
Bible points to the fact that Devil was cast down with his rebel angels much more later.

My first question is quoted below,pay attention to the bold part

Fine,we are getting there,[b[did satan rebel before creation of earth,during creation of earth or after creation of earth?according to your bible reference.[/b]

And this your reply below,also I will like if you can pay attention to the bold here also.

thinkmoney:
Great question. It appears he rebelled before the creation of man. I do not know if it’s before the creation of the earth

You also believe he was casted down before he tempted even,so why did you think I was wrong with my claim?

Meagainstthem:
My first question is quoted below,pay attention to the bold part



And this your reply below,also I will like if you can pay attention to the bold here also.




You also believe he was casted down before he tempted even,so why did you think I was wrong with my claim?

I said it appears he rebelled before the creation of man. U then asked for his Sin I then told you his earliest recorded sin. We can even at this stage say that that was his original sin because he got his Judgement for that particular sin.
I NEVER TOLD U WHEN HE WAS CAST DOWN

thinkmoney:
I said it appears he rebelled before the creation of man. U then asked for his Sin I then told you his earliest recorded sin. We can even at this stage say that that was his original sin because he got his Judgement for that particular sin.
I NEVER TOLD U WHEN HE WAS CAST DOWN

So you don't really know is first sin if I get you correctly,it appear you used means you don't sure and bible doesn't mention it specifically right or it does?did bible mention it anywhere what he did apart from what he did in garden or eden?or better still can we conclude his first sin is in garden of eden?I want to know this before I can know how to start my real discussion with you.so the question I'm asking now is stated below as


1.his (satan) first sin is deceiving of eve in garden or eden?

2 his first sin is not the one committed in genesis 3 which I've quoted before on this thread

If it's number 2

2i where did bible or where can Christian find out what was satan first sin that make him accursed one

Meagainstthem:
So you don't really know is first sin if I get you correctly,it appear you used means you don't sure and bible doesn't mention it specifically right or it does?did bible mention it anywhere what he did apart from what he did in garden or eden?or better still can we conclude his first sin is in garden of eden?I want to know this before I can know how to start my real discussion with you.so the question I'm asking now is stated below as


1.his (satan) first sin is deceiving of eve in garden or eden?

2 his first sin is not the one committed in genesis 3 which I've quoted before on this thread

If it's number 2

2i where did bible or where can Christian find out what was satan first sin that make him accursed one

His first sin is that committed in the garden.

thinkmoney:
His first sin is that committed in the garden.

Is this what you think or what christianity teach?I want to know because I'm hearing this for the first time.if it's what you think den no problem,I will proceed after you've answer sha

Meagainstthem:
Is this what you think or what christianity teach?I want to know because I'm hearing this for the first time.if it's what you think den no problem,I will proceed after you've answer sha

I haven’t been telling you what I think or what Christianity thinks, I have been telling you what the Bible teaches.

thinkmoney:
I haven’t been telling you what I think or what Christianity thinks, I have been telling you what the Bible teaches.

No sir bible didn't tell us the sin that satan committed against God that make God to cast him away from heaven,it stated in several verses of bible that God casted him away from heaven,there is no single verse in entire bible that said he was cast away after genesis 3,if there is any,I'm not asking you to provide it,I'm challenging to give just one reference.the reason I challenge you this time around is because you have agreed that his first and the capital sin against God "found in Genesis chapter 3 from verse1 to verse 5".
Then you will have to tell me when did God chase him out of heaven,after he deceived eve or before?

Meagainstthem:
No sir bible didn't tell us the sin that satan committed against God that make God to cast him away from heaven,it stated in several verses of bible that God casted him away from heaven,there is no single verse in entire bible that said he was cast away after genesis 3,if there is any,I'm not asking you to provide it,I'm challenging to give just one reference.the reason I challenge you this time around is because you have agreed that his first and the capital sin against God "found in Genesis chapter 3 from verse1 to verse 5".
Then you will have to tell me when did God chase him out of heaven,after he deceived eve or before?

Very simple.
I have given you bible verses that answered this but I am surprised you missed them.
The first set of verses I am going to leave here had Jeaus referred to what Satan did IN THE BEGINNING. And like you will agree with me, Genesis is a narrration of events at the BEGINNING.
1 John 3:8
The one who practices sin originates with the Devil, because the Devil has been sinning from the BEGINNING. For this purpose the Son of God was made manifest, to break up the works of the Devil.

John 8:44
44 You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he BEGAN, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie.

Now to when he was cast down. I can not say the very particular time. It’s like you asking me the particular month Noah built the ark. The important information is that he was cast down. However, I can tell you it’s way after that original sin. It’s even after Christ’s birth.
You should remember that Devil went before God at job to talk to God about Job. He obviously hasn’t been pursued from the heaven then.
I will leave some two verses here: one is when Jesus talk of him seeing Devil being cast down in the future.
Luke 10:18
At that he said to them: “I see Satan already fallent like lightning from heaven.

Revelation 12:7-10.
And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven. So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent,the one called Devill and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God!

thinkmoney:
Well, you may not be a Christian so you do not understand my perspective. I belong to a spiritual Israel the very one Christians mistake this modern physical Israel with.
I am not IPOB that wants to link themselves with physical Israel.
Maybe the proper section for this my piece should have been religion section.

Inferiority complex plus brainwashed.

KGBKremlin:
Inferiority complex plus brainwashed.

I understand you do not understand.
I am in the course of showing the person that first expressed that reservation a lot of logical things

thinkmoney:
Very simple.
I have given you bible verses that answered this but I am surprised you missed them.

No sir you didn't, all you gave me earlier had nothing to do with my question

The first set of verses I am going to leave here had Jeaus referred to what Satan did IN THE BEGINNING. And like you will agree with me, Genesis is a narrration of events at the BEGINNING.

I agree with you that it's narration of the events

1 John 3:8
The one who practices sin originates with the Devil, because the Devil has been sinning from the BEGINNING. For this purpose the Son of God was made manifest, to break up the works of the Devil

Jesus said from the beginning, it means he (satan has been committing from the BEGINNING, so did the beginning start from genesis chapter 3 vs 1?is genesis chapter 1 vs 1 not part of beginning?definitely either you or jesus is wrong here,you said he didn't commit any sin until genesis chapter 3 starting from verse 1,but jesus said he's been committing from beginning

John 8:44
44 You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he BEGAN, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie.

Now to when he was cast down. I can not say the very particular time. It’s like you asking me the particular month Noah built the ark. The important information is that he was cast down. However, I can tell you it’s way after that original sin. It’s even after Christ’s birth.
You should remember that Devil went before God at job to talk to God about Job. He obviously hasn’t been pursued from the heaven then.
I will leave some two verses here: one is when Jesus talk of him seeing Devil being cast down in the future.
Luke 10:18
At that he said to them: “I see Satan already fallent like lightning from heaven.

Revelation 12:7-10.
And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven. So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent,the one called Devill and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God!

Bold,they're not the same it's like asking you if Noah built the ark before or after the flood,which I know you won't hesitate to give me reference that confirm he did it before the flood,we all know the story of noah is not as important as story of satan to mankind, the story of Samson,lut,david and even Solomon are less important than story of satan because he's the reason why the entire human fall into the sin yet bible didn't tell us in details of what he did wrong,and how he was punished in detail.


In genesis chapter 3 it's shown that satan has already been casted out of heaven and that why he was found in garden of eden,which mean he had committed that sin before,he deceived eve but you said NO,the first sin he committed against God is deceiving eve,what you are implying is that the act of his rebellion that we've been hearing is what he did to eve in genesis chapter3,am I right?so if that's his first sin then bible need to tell us when he was casted out of heaven,because so many thing that happen after genesis were documented and one of the greatest event in Christian faith is missing.we really need to find the full details of how satan rebelled and got thrown out of heaven according to Christian faith.after that we will den continue but if after this you still can't give me,then I will have to conclude and move to the next question.

Meagainstthem:
No sir you didn't, all you gave me earlier had nothing to do with my question



I agree with you that it's narration of the events


Jesus said from the beginning, it means he (satan has been committing from the BEGINNING, so did the beginning start from genesis chapter 3 vs 1?is genesis chapter 1 vs 1 not part of beginning?definitely either you or jesus is wrong here,you said he didn't commit any sin until genesis chapter 3 starting from verse 1,but jesus said he's been committing from beginning



Bold,they're not the same it's like asking you if Noah built the ark before or after the flood,which I know you won't hesitate to give me reference that confirm he did it before the flood,we all know the story of noah is not as important as story of satan to mankind, the story of Samson,lut,david and even Solomon are less important than story of satan because he's the reason why the entire human fall into the sin yet bible didn't tell us in details of what he did wrong,and how he was punished in detail.


In genesis chapter 3 it's shown that satan has already been casted out of heaven and that why he was found in garden of eden,which mean he had committed that sin before,he deceived eve but you said NO,the first sin he committed against God is deceiving eve,what you are implying is that the act of his rebellion that we've been hearing is what he did to eve in genesis chapter3,am I right?so if that's his first sin then bible need to tell us when he was casted out of heaven,because so many thing that happen after genesis were documented and one of the greatest event in Christian faith is missing.we really need to find the full details of how satan rebelled and got thrown out of heaven according to Christian faith.after that we will den continue but if after this you still can't give me,then I will have to conclude and move to the next question.

My friend be honest abeg and maybe you have to read carefully.
Satan was cast out long time after Eden. It’s was sometime after Jesus birth at least, and that’s about 4thousand years after Eden.
Even sometime after Eden, during Jobs time, Satan was said to be in heaven because he approached God to talk about Job. So it’s evident from the Bible that somehow even after Devils rebellion he was still in Heaven.
But then Jesus prophesied in his time which is about 3thousand years after Job that Satan will be cast out in the future. Revelation then prophesied that he wa ejected after a ferocious battle.
To your first point about if the ‘beginning’ that was said to be when Satan revolted was at Eden, we can confidently say it is. Like I have told you the Upteenth time, Genesis recorded what happened in the beginning. It was in Genesis that mankind began. And see here where Genesis specifically made mention of “The beginning “. Genesis 1:1; In the BEGINNING God created the heavens and the earth.

I have been clear enough and an honest observer will see this. I even made sure I just didn’t talk or insinuate but I also pointed you to bible verses. The problem maybe if you are ready to revisit your long entrenched views in the light of new understanding. Because you actually pointed out that somethings I tell u that u haven’t heard it like it before, which I very much expect and understand. Many Christians you must have come with do not really understand the Bible and that’s why many people have grown disillusioned with what to them look odd and inconsistent.
I very much know you have some opinions that you were thinking you will nail me with because you think and bank on the assumption that I will interpret the Bible the way many Christians you have come across have. Now you are obviously having difficulties with me. I will tel u however that it takes strength to admit new knowledge and adjust accordingly.

thinkmoney:
Please I am waiting? Inching to show u that like many, even Christians today, u do not have full understanding of things and/or you do not understand context surrounding things

How verse is your knowledge of ancient Egyptian, Mesopotamia and ancient hebrew myths, tradition and history?

Blakjewelry:
How verse is your knowledge of ancient Egyptian, Mesopotamia and ancient hebrew myths, tradition and history?

It is decent. Very decent

thinkmoney:
My friend be honest abeg and maybe you have to read carefully.
Satan was cast out long time after Eden. It’s was sometime after Jesus birth at least, and that’s about 4thousand years after Eden.
Even sometime after Eden, during Jobs time, Satan was said to be in heaven because he approached God to talk about Job. So it’s evident from the Bible that somehow even after Devils rebellion he was still in Heaven.
But then Jesus prophesied in his time which is about 3thousand years after Job that Satan will be cast out in the future. Revelation then prophesied that he wa ejected after a ferocious battle.
To your first point about if the ‘beginning’ that was said to be when Satan revolted was at Eden, we can confidently say it is. Like I have told you the Upteenth time, Genesis recorded what happened in the beginning. It was in Genesis that mankind began. And see here where Genesis specifically made mention of “The beginning “. Genesis 1:1; In the BEGINNING God created the heavens and the earth.

I have been clear enough and an honest observer will see this. I even made sure I just didn’t talk or insinuate but I also pointed you to bible verses. The problem maybe if you are ready to revisit your long entrenched views in the light of new understanding. Because you actually pointed out that somethings I tell u that u haven’t heard it like it before, which I very much expect and understand. Many Christians you must have come with do not really understand the Bible and that’s why many people have grown disillusioned with what to them look odd and inconsistent.
I very much know you have some opinions that you were thinking you will nail me with because you think and bank on the assumption that I will interpret the Bible the way many Christians you have come across have. Now you are obviously having difficulties with me. I will tel u however that it takes strength to admit new knowledge and adjust accordingly.

I've been consistent with my question,I think you will have to answer me with yes or no now to know who's not truthful between us.

1
Do you say that satan first sin was in genesis chapter 3?yes or no?

2 Did jesus said in the look that satan has been committing sin from genesis?yes or no?

3 Did the beginning started in genesis chapter 3?yes or no?

4 Did the beginning started from genesis chapter 1 vs 1?yes or no?


Please quote each number and respond yes or no to each number,I want all the audience to know who's been faithful

Meagainstthem:
I've been consistent with my question,I think you will have to answer me with yes or no now to know who's not truthful between us.

1
Do you say that satan first sin was in genesis chapter 3?yes or no?

2 Did jesus said in the look that satan has been committing sin from genesis?yes or no?

3 Did the beginning started in genesis chapter 3?yes or no?

4 Did the beginning started from genesis chapter 1 vs 1?yes or no?


Please quote each number and respond yes or no to each number,I want all the audience to know who's been faithful

Nawa oh
1) Yes it was the sin at Genesis 3
2)Yes. It’s the sin Satan committed at the beginning of things in Genesis Jesus referred to
3) and 4) were Narration of the beginning. The sin Satan commit was in deceiving humans. This happened in the beginning
Genesis 1 to 3 describes events that happened in the very beginning of time.

You used gramma. Beginning might not mean the first secon of the earth. The beginning in 3 is a narration of the things that happened to our first parents in the very beginning.
The coup of 1966 happened at the very beginning of Nigeria nationhood for example

thinkmoney:
Nawa oh
1) Yes it was the sin at Genesis 3
2)Yes. It’s the sin Satan committed at the beginning of things in Genesis Jesus referred to
3) and 4) were Narration of the beginning. The sin Satan commit was in deceiving humans. This happened in the beginning
Genesis 1 to 3 describes events that happened in the very beginning of time.

You used gramma. Beginning might not mean the first secon of the earth. The beginning in 3 is a narration of the things that happened to our first parents in the very beginning.
The coup of 1966 happened at the very beginning of Nigeria nationhood for example

Let's forget that because I've discovered that there won't be an end to this.

Let's move to the second question.

Did your God know everything?like the day I will die?the number of kid I will have?what they will become or his knowledge is limited?

thinkmoney:
It is decent. Very decent

Then you must know that the oldest form of written history is from Mesopotamia and it predated the Bible story by thousands of years. Now here is the fun part, while the Mesopotamia story of creation and it early rulers king matches and shares similarities with the Bible book of genesis, it is obvious that the book of genesis is a modification of the stories from the ancient people since even the Israelites themselves trace their origin back to ur a Mesopotamia city.

Also, the isrealite worship most of the old gods their capture by nebuchadnezzar. Infact yahweh, El the one you know as El Elyon, El Shaddai are all different deities that fused together that you are worshipping today. Just try get your hands on the ugarit text and you find a lot of similar the book of psalm and the ugarit. It's a common knowledge among scholars that the different cannannite gods were fused together to form the modern God you are worshipping.

Blakjewelry:
Then you must know that the oldest form of written history is from Mesopotamia and it predated the Bible story by thousands of years. Now here is the fun part, while the Mesopotamia story of creation and it early rulers king matches and shares similarities with the Bible book of genesis, it is obvious that the book of genesis is a modification of the stories from the ancient people since even the Israelites themselves trace their origin back to ur a Mesopotamia city.

Also, the isrealite worship most of the old gods their capture by nebuchadnezzar. Infact yahweh, El the one you know as El Elyon, El Shaddai are all different deities that fused together that you are worshipping today. Just try get your hands on the ugarit text and you find a lot of similar the book of psalm and the ugarit. It's a common knowledge among scholars that the different cannannite gods were fused together to form the modern God you are worshipping.

One basic fact that you like many Christians and even pastors do not understand the ancient Israelites and their God.
What should interest you really is that when you consider not only ancient writings about creation and the flood that you have in the folklore of of not only Mesopotamia, but even also in places like ancient Phoenician around Palestine, the civilizations in Indus Valley, Babylon, Elam, Egypt, China, Arabia and even mesoamerica, and u consider the similar pattern and themes they follow, you will come to the conclusion that there may be some elements of historical truths in those narratives.
They may all source those stories from factual ancient pool of human history. The Bible that claims its inspiration from God gave us it’s on narratives. And science have been able to show us that many of this narratives are plausible. How? I give you points to look at:
-one point is the what we have been discussing and it’s the prevalence among old cultures from places even far apart of similar narratives about creation, first human parents, giants, flood and a single survivor family.
- the fact that the earth is more water then land, which is unlike many other planets may point to the fact that the earth was flooded at some point.
-research, genomics and anthropology, suggests that humans could very much have had single parentage.
-there are cultures even in Africa that suggests that some aliens visited the earth at some points back in history.
-the account of creation in Genesis agrees with the established scientific timelines.
-Bible from early time suggested that the earth was sphere when many traditional and popular scientific knowledge of that time thinks otherwise.
-Bible pointedly said the earth hangs on nothing even at a time that people had no idea that something like that is possible.
-the Bible explained water cycle that causes condensation and precipitation (rain)

Then back to my first point. The word Elohim that is from the root word El is the way the ancient tradition ms around Mesopotamia and Arabia call “God”. El means God. It’s from this root word you have Aramaic Ellah, Arabia Allah [Al-illa] and Hebrew Elohim (or Elohe).
There is nothing that says Hebrew or the ancient Israelites adopted Mesopotamia gods unless at occasions were the Bible already stated that they went away from their real God. Good understanding of the Bible will lead one to know that though ancient Israel admitted that there were several gods, they only worship one God who they called Yahweh (or Jehovah) and they have other titles that they used to magnify the personality of this God, like Jehovah Jireh which means Jehovah our provider and Jehovah El shaddai which means Jehovah is God almighty.
So Jehovah the God of ancient Israel was well differentiated from the other gods around

thinkmoney:
One basic fact that you like many Christians and even pastors do not understand the ancient Israelites and their God

Nope it's you who do not understand the dynamics of the early human society.

First off there is no scientific evidence of a global flood on earth, even Christian scientist have come to term that maybe flood story was a point of view an not a global one and before you argue were all the water comes from, Jupiter's moon Ganymede and Europa has more water than earth so tell me if a global flood occur there too, beside earth rank 5th in the solar system when it comes to water.

Also flood story do not point to any fact about human single parentage, yes while science points to Africa as the source of man, there also was a time when different species of pre modern man existed. There are fact left over history to point to that fact and modern day Christian scientist tried to put forth an argument that modern man was the one God created in his own imagine. Now the Bible did not say so rather points the story of the watchers which again is based on ancient Mesopotamia story but is also at odd because there is no single archeological evidence to that effect but contrary to that, there are evidence of dinosaur which the Bible fail to mention because it's not aware.

On the part whether the Bible is factual, well it is part history part myth. Myth because it is a cumulation an modification of ancient Mesopotamia myths and history passed down through history.

Now there is no curniform record of isrealite old testament rather most of the Jewish text were written in papyrus form which comes thousands of years later. Remember most of the reform happened toward the first and second temple era most of the modification was done then.

Now back to the issue of who is El and yahweh, El was the elder God in ancient Mesopotamia and yahweh is one of his sons.

The text discovery helps to shine more light on the old text testament go read the different transcript of deuteronomy 32:8-9.

Blakjewelry:
Nope it's you who do not understand the dynamics of the early human society.

First off there is no scientific evidence of a global flood on earth, even Christian scientist have come to term that maybe flood story was a point of view an not a global one and before you argue were all the water comes from, Jupiter's moon Ganymede and Europa has more water than earth so tell me if a global flood occur there too, beside earth rank 5th in the solar system when it comes to water.

Also flood story do not point to any fact about human single parentage, yes while science points to Africa as the source of man, there also was a time when different species of pre modern man existed. There are fact left over history to point to that fact and modern day Christian scientist tried to put forth an argument that modern man was the one God created in his own imagine. Now the Bible did not say so rather points the story of the watchers which again is based on ancient Mesopotamia story but is also at odd because there is no single archeological evidence to that effect but contrary to that, there are evidence of dinosaur which the Bible fail to mention because it's not aware.

On the part whether the Bible is factual, well it is part history part myth. Myth because it is a cumulation an modification of ancient Mesopotamia myths and history passed down through history.

Now there is no curniform record of isrealite old testament rather most of the Jewish text were written in papyrus form which comes thousands of years later. Remember most of the reform happened toward the first and second temple era most of the modification was done then.

Now back to the issue of who is El and yahweh, El was the elder God in ancient Mesopotamia and yahweh is one of his sons.

The text discovery helps to shine more light on the old text testament go read the different transcript of deuteronomy 32:8-9.

U have jam parked and juxtaposed so many things. Aside Israelites books where else did u see Yahweh to have said he is a junior god to El? The only other place where Yahweh appear is in Egypt and it has to do about Israelites.
El is the name for gods in Mesopotamia.
And you have been lying too (or maybe u do not do researches). Earth is the only planet that have been found with substantial water. Infact it is called the watery planet.

And again I must tell u; the purported evolution of man from some primitive early man is a big lie by some sections of scientist. They have not been able to really proof the theory. There are lapses in the theory that I can go on listing for you. Example; they have not been able to show the species between the leaps from one species to the other.
2) they claim smarter brand survive the archaic ones. We have apes and gorillas now, where are those other ones that are supposed to have been an improvement on them? Those one have died off while gorillas and chimpanzees remain.
Many scientists are beginning to agree that different species of animals appear almost suddenly. Evolution theory is a lie from Satan.
God created man and his kind, and the animals and their kinds.

thinkmoney:
U have jam parked and juxtaposed so many things.

First off do your research on El, Elyon.

Then do your own research on the original version of deuteronomy 32:8 - 9 so differentiate from the current edited one you.

Secondly just do research on bodies with largest amount of water in the solar system. This I know because I follow up everything on nasa and I know even the next mission to Europa to explore the moon of jupiter, it is ocean world with icy surface but water often time shoots into the sky in the for geysers which was close captured by the casini space probe.

Yes evolution has it many questions but it so far answer many questions compare to what the Bible has to offer. Plus science is not something you just dive in and you understood everything. It will take you years, evolution does not say man is from ape rather we are genetical link at some point it complex process if you want to trace. Different species of humans live at a time in history and there physically evidence to that even scientist who are not in support of evolution cannot deny that fact.
They live at point in time of which archeological evidence point to as fact plus DNA evidence also prove inherit some of their trait.

You may want to ask why are we not seeing it today, but it's something that happens over hundreds of thousands of years to millions of years which is a very time compare to what we observe readily.

Now people using the Bible as measuring stick often time forget that Bible was actually written toward the first temple period which thousands of years into the future when the Mesopotamians already discovered writing. Now it will you shock you that people have also lived in that same area thousands of years without written history because writing hasn't been discovered then.

Also there is another settlement that predate the Mesopotamia era in modern day turkey known as göbekli tepe which estimated to be around 9500 bc so try and research more.

BTW were the old testament mentioned the devil sef, educate me

Blakjewelry:
First off do your research on El, Elyon.

Then do your own research on the original version of deuteronomy 32:8 - 9 so differentiate from the current edited one you.

Secondly just do research on bodies with largest amount of water in the solar system. This I know because I follow up everything on nasa and I know even the next mission to Europa to explore the moon of jupiter, it is ocean world with icy surface but water often time shoots into the sky in the for geysers which was close captured by the casini space probe.

Yes evolution has it many questions but it so far answer many questions compare to what the Bible has to offer. Plus science is not something you just dive in and you understood everything. It will take you years, evolution does not say man is from ape rather we are genetical link at some point it complex process if you want to trace. Different species of humans live at a time in history and there physically evidence to that even scientist who are not in support of evolution cannot deny that fact.
They live at point in time of which archeological evidence point to as fact plus DNA evidence also prove inherit some of their trait.

You may want to ask why are we not seeing it today, but it's something that happens over hundreds of thousands of years to millions of years which is a very time compare to what we observe readily.

Now people using the Bible as measuring stick often time forget that Bible was actually written toward the first temple period which thousands of years into the future when the Mesopotamians already discovered writing. Now it will you shock you that people have also lived in that same area thousands of years without written history because writing hasn't been discovered then.

Also there is another settlement that predate the Mesopotamia era in modern day turkey known as göbekli tepe which estimated to be around 9500 bc so try and research more.

BTW were the old testament mentioned the devil sef, educate me

Do not reinforce lies na. What’s your gain?
Just go online and type planents with most water and Earth still tops. Infact it’s only earth that has ocean. It’s only earth that’s 70% water. Until I post pictures ？

Blakjewelry:
First off do your research on El, Elyon.

Then do your own research on the original version of deuteronomy 32:8 - 9 so differentiate from the current edited one you.

Secondly just do research on bodies with largest amount of water in the solar system. This I know because I follow up everything on nasa and I know even the next mission to Europa to explore the moon of jupiter, it is ocean world with icy surface but water often time shoots into the sky in the for geysers which was close captured by the casini space probe.

Yes evolution has it many questions but it so far answer many questions compare to what the Bible has to offer. Plus science is not something you just dive in and you understood everything. It will take you years, evolution does not say man is from ape rather we are genetical link at some point it complex process if you want to trace. Different species of humans live at a time in history and there physically evidence to that even scientist who are not in support of evolution cannot deny that fact.
They live at point in time of which archeological evidence point to as fact plus DNA evidence also prove inherit some of their trait.

You may want to ask why are we not seeing it today, but it's something that happens over hundreds of thousands of years to millions of years which is a very time compare to what we observe readily.

Now people using the Bible as measuring stick often time forget that Bible was actually written toward the first temple period which thousands of years into the future when the Mesopotamians already discovered writing. Now it will you shock you that people have also lived in that same area thousands of years without written history because writing hasn't been discovered then.

Also there is another settlement that predate the Mesopotamia era in modern day turkey known as göbekli tepe which estimated to be around 9500 bc so try and research more.

BTW were the old testament mentioned the devil sef, educate me

I am not talking about the Devil now. It will take this correspondence to another area and it will get cumbersome.
I haven’t gotten anything concrete about the allegation that Deuteronomy was edited. What I can read there now is consistent with all the other descriptions of Yahweh and El(God) in other places if the Bible. Most times, no one verse explains fully an issue, u have to cross reference it against other part of the Bible. That’s how Bible is understood.
Humans like man had many type. But they all were fully humans. See, like every animal species like dog and horse that one can get several types in the species, humans too can bring up different types but in its specie.
We have had several types of humans. Infact we still do and we can still have further different types.
There are men with little sizes in Austria. There are men with a bit different type of physical features on their faces in the orient. There are tall people in Kenya. There are blacks with blue eyes and golden hair in Polynesia.
If all this Donisovos and neantherthal (I am not sure if I get there spellings correct),and homits have worn clothes and mix with our present human population, they won’t attract any special attention
The Neantherthal only have some variations in their cheekbone. We have people with bigger variations in the world today. The Chinese have there eyelid turned in. The Australians have flattened head. Some Igbos lack protruding skull at the back.
Please science is politicized. It take really logic and knowledge to be able to get the real truth in today’s world.
The method they use in dating many at times have shown it isn’t reliable. The use the dating measure on the assumption that the earth conditions have remain relatively the same all this thousand of years.

thinkmoney:
Do not reinforce lies na. What’s your gain?
Just go online and type planents with most water and Earth still tops. Infact it’s only earth that has ocean. It’s only earth that’s 70% water. Until I post pictures ？

I specifically use the word body for a reason. When it comes to planets only earth has water in the solar system but including the numerous moons in system nope it is not. For your information Ganymede is 41% the diameter of the earth and has the largest water in the solar system go do your findings, the Bible only limits your brain.

thinkmoney:
I am not talking about the Devil now. It will take this correspondence to another

Well I agree with you science has been politicize to some extent though not by scientist but businessmen and politicians for their own selfish end, same thing they did with religion. Religion was used by the early men to explain their world scientifical and give meaning to life logic and reason but it was hijacked by the ruling class, but with science you can only play politics with it, use to create weapon but you can not change the fact because anybody with a working brain has the right to test and contest any known fact and if can be proven beyond any doubt, the new truth is accepted waiting for anyone to test it validity.

On issue of evolution, it's not about minor fixtures, the discovery creates and historic picture that is lost to time. The evidence are too overwhelming to ignore. Now picture yourself with all links to different human species dating back close a million years ago and your test shows each particular specie occupies a particular period in time according to your dating what will you do with that information?

Now to the issue of dating, the error is negligible when compared to the time frame as some seconds minutes will be negligible if I am looking at a day or week time frame.

As for more clarification for the deuteronomy, search for the original text of deuteronomy 32 :8 - 9 and also search for the masoretic text.

Free2Fly:
Islamic terrorists will come to feats on you.

Predictably, they're already up there.

Their terrorist prophet sowed a bitter hatred between them and the Jews,; that's why the idiots don't want to see anywhere the name "Isreal" or 'Jews' is mentioned.

Na lie
Its both Christians and Jews that want to cheat the Muslims of their common heritage.
As long as Christians and Jews refuse to accept Ismel as a son of Abraham there won't be peace among the three.
The land was promised Abraham and his descendants including Ishmael

Free2Fly:
Islamic terrorists will come to feats on you.

Predictably, they're already up there.

Their terrorist prophet sowed a bitter hatred between them and the Jews,; that's why the idiots don't want to see anywhere the name "Isreal" or 'Jews' is mentioned.

so who planted the seed of hatred btw christains and Jews,since they were told to kill Christians and spit on them,to the extent that they attempted to kill Jesus