daveP:
Role. Role. He was playing the Odegaard role. Im rating him by that. All these off ball excuses seems to be cooked for only him and it's getting stale. Very well is exaggeration. He's not the only off ball player in existence. But those in such category also impact on the ball too.

I am not saying he is better than Odegaard, I am saying he should be given his accolades.

Besides, players can play the same role but in different ways. Jorginho for example plays the DM but does so differently from Partey. Havertz plays off the ball and is very effective at it which makes all the managers he has played under to live him. Arteta saw his performance at Chelsea and was still willing to pay 65m and 300k weekly for him. That speaks volumes.

mostob:




Your matter don tire me

My matter tire me too 😔

mostob:
Before Charlie Patino moved to Swansea, Mikel Arteta had a discussion with Patino and he promised that if he could shine at Swansea, Patino would be considered for the opportunity to perform in the Arsenal first team after his return.

This was also the discussion that made Patino completely change his mind about leaving Arsenal to find an opportunity to play football in the first team, and accept to leave on loan to gain experience.




Charlie Patino expressed his satisfaction with the development plan that Mikel Arteta proposed for him and Patino is willing to do his best to prove to Mikel Arteta that he is capable of competing in the Arsenal first team.



Arsenal also hopes that Charlie Patino will get closer to the level of the first team after he completes his loan at Swansea this season.



With Jorginho, Mo Elneny or Thomas Partey all likely to leave Arsenal after this season, Charlie Patino can completely believe in a chance in the Arsenal first team if he performs well in a Swansea shirt.




Your thoughts...

#Arsenal

So how has he been performing?

Spy360:

I am not saying he is better than Odegaard, I am saying he should be given his accolades.

Besides, players can play the same role but in different ways. Jorginho for example plays the DM but does so differently from Partey. Havertz plays off the ball and is very effective at it which makes all the managers he has played under to live him. Arteta saw his performance at Chelsea and was still willing to pay 65m and 300k weekly for him. That speaks volumes.

this guy!!!

Spy360:

In a big club nothing like bench when you still see game time. Imagine saying Trossard is benched. Benched here should mean no game time.

wawuu!!!!!!

Everday, you bring up new definitions from no where just to suit your agenda. Tomorrow you go say Kiwi no be bench player

Everyone knows our first eleven and even complained about it but to Spy, we no get first 11 and we no get bench players.

Clap for yourself boss!!

Spy360:



ESR was subbed before we reached five. That's not saying he didn't do well. Honestly I prefer ESR in that Left no 8.

That's because it's your personal bias.

There's nothing presently that Havertz is doing that wasn't minimum for most of our players from last season and two seasons ago. Absolute Nothing!!

Last season, I always commend Odegaard in his interpretation of half space, dummy pass and his winning of balls (he has the highest win rate of balls in the opposition half amongst all Midfielders in EPL , you can check it out). No day have you ever ever hyped his off the ball abilities here.
In fact, first match of last season against crystal palace (where he was adjudged to play badly), he had the highest tackle and ball recovery in the match. You didn't come to his defence that day for his off the ball activities.
The less said about Xhaka off the ball, the better for my epistles.

Suddenly, Messiah Havertz is now the best in left 8 for us for doing the barest minimum modern football requires (off the ball) and you're singing it like one big Achievement.

Clap for yourself sir

Jodera:
That's because it's your personal bias.

There's nothing presently that Havertz is doing that wasn't minimum for most of our players from last season and two seasons ago. Absolute Nothing!!

Last season, I always commend Odegaard in his interpretation of half space, dummy pass and his winning of balls (he has the highest win rate of balls in the opposition half amongst all Midfielders in EPL , you can check it out). No day have you ever ever hyped his off the ball abilities here.
In fact, first match of last season against crystal palace (where he was adjudged to play badly), he had the highest tackle and ball recovery in the match. You didn't come to his defence that day for his off the ball activities.
The less said about Xhaka off the ball, the better for my epistles.

Suddenly, Messiah Havertz is now the best in left 8 for us for doing the barest minimum modern football requires (off the ball) and you're singing it like one big Achievement.

Clap for yourself sir

You gave a brilliant analysis for no topic at all.

Please reread the quote you bolded. I wasn't talking about Havertz.

Jodera:
wawuu!!!!!!

Everday, you bring up new definitions from no where just to suit your agenda. Tomorrow you go say Kiwi no be bench player

Everyone knows our first eleven and even complained about it but to Spy, we no get first 11 and we no get bench players.

Clap for yourself boss!!

A playing that sees regular game time (like at least starting or coming as a sub in each game) cannot classified as bench player. Players like Trossard, Nketiah, and Tomiyasu. Will you categorise them as bench players? Compared to the likes of Nelson, Vieira, and Kiwior?

Spy360:

You gave a brilliant analysis for no topic at all.

Please reread the quote you bolded. I wasn't talking about Havertz.

Lol, see wetin you don cause

Even your ESR dey look like Havertz for my eyes

Spy360:

A playing that sees regular game time (like at least starting or coming as a sub in each game) cannot classified as bench player. Players like Trossard, Nketiah, and Tomiyasu. Will you categorise them as bench players? Compared to the likes of Nelson, Vieira, and Kiwior?

So what are they classified as?(especially since we're dealing with Arteta here)

The only reason Trossard and Nketiah are seeing more minutes than usual compared to Viera and Kiwior is because of injuries to the first team players.



It's only Guardiola that's the only top coach that his team don't have a first 11 save for few

Jodera:
That's because it's your personal bias.

There's nothing presently that Havertz is doing that wasn't minimum for most of our players from last season and two seasons ago. Absolute Nothing!!

Last season, I always commend Odegaard in his interpretation of half space, dummy pass and his winning of balls (he has the highest win rate of balls in the opposition half amongst all Midfielders in EPL , you can check it out). No day have you ever ever hyped his off the ball abilities here.
In fact, first match of last season against crystal palace (where he was adjudged to play badly), he had the highest tackle and ball recovery in the match. You didn't come to his defence that day for his off the ball activities.
The less said about Xhaka off the ball, the better for my epistles.

Suddenly, Messiah Havertz is now the best in left 8 for us for doing the barest minimum modern football requires (off the ball) and you're singing it like one big Achievement.

Clap for yourself sir

Anyways, Spy360, just look at this post anytime you want to carry that "off the ball stats" to hype Havertz here again

Jodera:
Lol, see wetin you don cause

Even your ESR dey look like Havertz for my eyes

I squeezed that one in to put confusion for your analysis

Jodera:
So what are they classified as?(especially since we're dealing with Arteta here)

The only reason Trossard and Nketiah are seeing more minutes than usual compared to Viera and Kiwior is because of injuries to the first team players.



It's only Guardiola that's the only top coach that his team don't have a first 11 save for few

All you stated here are wrong.

Nketiah was a starter early this season even when Jesus was fit. While some of us here have called for Trossard to start games. Or is it Tomiyasu? So we should not be comparing them with the likes of Nelson and Kiwior who hardly start even Carabao cup.

And as per Pep, everyone knows that he hardly changes his first eleven even in less important competitions. If there's anyone that sticks to his team it's Pep. In fact he has the leanest first team among the top clubs.

Spy360:



I squeezed that one in to put confusion for your analysis

You try. You catch me for that one

Spy360:

All you stated here are wrong.

Nketiah was a starter early this season even when Jesus was fit. While some of us here have called for Trossard to start games. Or is it Tomiyasu? So we should not be comparing them with the likes of Nelson and Kiwior who hardly start even Carabao cup.

And as per Pep, everyone knows that he hardly changes his first eleven even in less important competitions. If there's anyone that sticks to his team it's Pep. In fact he has the leanest first team among the top clubs.

Lol, it's only this season pep have a lean and less quality squad compared to previous seasons. Every other seasons, Pep is the master of changing players and formations. Nobody is certain of First starting except if you are kompany, Fernandinho(now Rodri),Kdb and recently Haaland.
If you're playing FPL, I don't think you'd say that bolded with a full chest

As for Arsenal, everyone know G.J was out injured and the first match he was fit was against Man u. That itself negated anything you say about Jesus being a starter when G.j was fit

Some of us wants Trossard to start games, that doesn't mean he isn't a bench player. Some of us also wants ESR to start games over Havertz and Viera but does that mean he isn't a bench player presently?

The only person that fits into your bill is Tomi and that's even recently. As at last season, everyone knows our starters and the bench players. Liverpool have starters and bench players, Man u same team, Tottenham same thing. And that's what bring consistency

The only two big clubs not have regular starting 11 is Chelsea (due to their transition state) and Guardiola's Man City prior to this season

Former-Tottenham striker Jermain Defoe has revealed Eddie Nketiah messaged him for shooting tips ahead of this season.

Defore said he was impressed with the 24-year-old’s willingness to learn and so he helped him on his finishing and movement inside the box, despite the North London rivalry.

Defoe on Nketiah: “I thought you know what, I like that because that’s a young centre forward that wants to try and get as much from other players that have played the game in that position as he can. Someone who wants to learn.”





I talk am...I have been wondering about that his third goal. It was so strange.

Jodera:
Lol, it's only this season pep have a lean and less quality squad compared to previous seasons. Every other seasons, Pep is the master of changing players and formations. Nobody is certain of First starting except if you are kompany, Fernandinho(now Rodri),Kdb and recently Haaland.
If you're playing FPL, I don't think you'd say that bolded with a full chest

As for Arsenal, everyone know G.J was out injured and the first match he was fit was against Man u. That itself negated anything you say about Jesus being a starter when G.j was fit

Some of us wants Trossard to start games, that doesn't mean he isn't a bench player. Some of us also wants ESR to start games over Havertz and Viera but does that mean he isn't a bench player presently?

The only person that fits into your bill is Tomi and that's even recently. As at last season, everyone knows our starters and the bench players. Liverpool have starters and bench players, Man u same team, Tottenham same thing. And that's what bring consistency

The only two big clubs not have regular starting 11 is Chelsea (due to their transition state) and Guardiola's Man City prior to this season

Pep has always kept the fewest number of players in his first team. Usually about 20players when others have up to 30. This has always been his way. There's no need to argue except we list their players last season.

As for bench players, if you agree that Tomi and Trossard are not bench players, then same should apply to Havertz because they have played similar no of games and in fact Havertz has started more games than the others.

We are likely to see Dino in action tonight against us

Spy360:

Pep has always kept the fewest number of players in his first team. Usually about 20players when others have up to 30. This has always been his way. There's no need to argue except we list their players last season.

As for bench players, if you agree that Tomi and Trossard are not bench players, then same should apply to Havertz because they have played similar no of games and in fact Havertz has started more games than the others.

I'm not talking about quantity in Guardiola's squad, I'm talking about his rotation.
Yes, he uses them but nobody is a guaranteed starter save for very few, so we can't actually pinpoint his first 11. For arsenal, it's a certain. In fact, most of us here have wailed about Arteta not rotating even when it's obvious that the starting players needs a breather. If we can be complaining for these players all the way here in Nigeria mostly, how then do you think these players won't see themselves as bench players?

Trossard is a bench player, I like him and I want him to start but presently he's a bench player. Havertz was initially a starter but due to his underwhelming performances, he lost his spot (which is normal for any competitive team).

The only person presently I won't see as bench player recently(this season)is Tomi and that's because he starts matches or substitute Zinny halfway (sometimes half time) even when Zinny is fit.

You can't be seeing 15min and 20min of football in a match of averagely 93 mins(inclusive of added time) when everyone is fit and you'll be claiming that you're not a bench player.

Where that one dey happen?

Emile Smith Rowe misses out on tonight's squad due to a knee issue.
[Arsenal]

Zinchenko have been playing rubbish

One of the obvious problems we have in this game is Jorginho. He's a midfielder that just does not know how to orchestrate an attack when the game lock like this

Jodera:
I'm not talking about quantity in Guardiola's squad, I'm talking about his rotation.
Yes, he uses them but nobody is a guaranteed starter save for very few, so we can't actually pinpoint his first 11. For arsenal, it's a certain. In fact, most of us here have wailed about Arteta not rotating even when it's obvious that the starting players needs a breather. If we can be complaining for these players all the way here in Nigeria mostly, how then do you think these players won't see themselves as bench players?

Trossard is a bench player, I like him and I want him to start but presently he's a bench player. Havertz was initially a starter but due to his underwhelming performances, he lost his spot (which is normal for any competitive team).

The only person presently I won't see as bench player recently(this season)is Tomi and that's because he starts matches or substitute Zinny halfway (sometimes half time) even when Zinny is fit.

You can't be seeing 15min and 20min of football in a match of averagely 93 mins(inclusive of added time) when everyone is fit and you'll be claiming that you're not a bench player.

Where that one dey happen?

Any player that gets to play every match day cannot be said to be a bench player.

A bench player is someone who does see game time regularly . Key word is bolded. I have given examples as Vieira, Kiwior and the baba of them all, Elneny.

BlueRayDick:
One of the obvious problems we have in this game is Jorginho. He's a midfielder that just does not know how to orchestrate an attack when the game lock like this

He is an example of a tactical player. Jodera remember what I told you?

If we get kudus is he not better than this useless kaikai

BlueRayDick:
One of the obvious problems we have in this game is Jorginho. He's a midfielder that just does not know how to orchestrate an attack when the game lock like this

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Spy360:

He is an example of a tactical player. Jodera remember what I told you?

Which nonsense tactical player?

Player wey no fit mark, he no fit do normal incisive forward passes.... Smh

U just like to hype rubbish. I doubt u even played football to understand that players like Jorginho are a weakness to a team the moment they start. The rest of the team will just learn to live with the coach's decision of starting him

Incognito9:


🤗🤗 enjoy super passer jorginhoe

God forbid bad thing

Havertz Don use nonsense lose ball go cause third goal

I know say arsenal go lose , you dey underrate West ham lol

Kiwior is also a very slow CB . He neither possesses Saliba's agility nor his swiftness .