BlueRayDick:
Kiwior is also a very slow CB . He neither possesses Saliba's agility nor his swiftness .his

Now replace him with the trusty that conceded 5 on Saturday
Man to man and tell me kiwi is better , nketiah should and will score more if kiwi was opponent

Kaikai, zinchenko and kiwi
3 foolish players especially zinchenko I hope he chop eternal bench
I curse the day arteta got us this fraud called kaikai
If you want to be unfortunate just start any of these assholes against Newcastle

Lol


Deadwood Binning

Better get rid of those Chelsea averages. They are squad players at best, not people you rely on to be gamechangers when your target is to win trophies. It is worse when you spend such huge figure for such average that can't influence games on a level that a 6yo will notice and applaud.


This is not reactionary. This is just the endpoint of observation this season on same players. Will he learn this lesson and dive into January for sensible ballers not averages that all we talk about them are 'off the ball" movement??


Wonder what's his obsession with Chelsea ballers sef. He thinks he can get the best out of them more than Chelsea itself 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This mannnn!!!

Just gift them 65m. Same amount that can get 3 better ballers than combined will still collect less than his Kai wages. Smh.

iamoyindamola:

Now replace him with the trusty that conceded 5 on Saturday
Man to man and tell me kiwi is better , nketiah should and will score more if kiwi was opponent

I can't rate Trusty because I've not seen him perform at top level. He currently plays for Sheffield as CB and they are not known for not conceding goals .

iamoyindamola:

Now replace him with the trusty that conceded 5 on Saturday
Man to man and tell me kiwi is better , nketiah should and will score more if kiwi was opponent

I agree with you. Kiwi at best will offer aerial security in setpieces. He's not the ruthless dirty work kind of defender one needs. His passing game is top notch. Hut at his primary duty, he gets MIA at most. Trusty will need super drilling to be a form of big Gabi though.

Tactics aside, it's funny that the last defender we had when we want to lock up a game was Holding 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Also, this burnout thing I've been emphasizing since last season.

BlueRayDick:
Kiwior is also a very slow CB . He neither possesses Saliba's agility nor his swiftness .

so this is how arsenal will end up trophyless this season

Having Kiwior , Haveetz and Jorginho inside one single match Na like taking codeine before kick off ....Everywhere slow and dull

BlueRayDick:


I can't rate Trusty because I've not seen him perform at top level. He currently plays for Sheffield as CB and they are not known for not conceding goals .

It happens to some individual players alot anyway. The guy has some good qualities for a Defender as an individual. Rough gem sorta.

daveP:
It happens to some individual players alot anyway. The guy has some good qualities for a Defender as an individual. Rough gem sorta.

When I see him play to attract that level of commendation I will give it to him . For now he's just a player that never kicked a ball in any competitive match for araenal and thus far he's not proven to anybody that Arsenal made a mistake not giving him a chance .

BlueRayDick:
Having Kiwior , Haveetz and Jorginho inside one single match Na like taking coding before kick off ....Everywhere slow and dull

How this evades Arteta's thinking is what is provoking about this game tonight. How did he even reach this conclusion without fear? Aspa West ham are a stroll in the park? I want to believe he underrated them instead of feeling he is that stupid to think those 3 will win the game. What will piss me further is the GK situo. Lol.

BlueRayDick:


When I see him play to attract that level of commendation I will give it to him . For now he's just a player that never kicked a ball in any competitive match for araenal and thus far he's not proven to anybody that Arsenal made a mistake not giving him a chance .

Yeah. Till then. But we gats watchout sha. We don't need him to kick ball for us before we see thru him. Till then sha.

daveP:
How this evades Arteta's thinking is what is provoking about this game tonight. How did he even reach this conclusion without fear? Aspa West ham are a stroll in the park? I want to believe he underrated them instead of feeling he is that stupid to think those 3 will win the game. What will piss me further is the GK situo. Lol.

U see that goalkeeper situation , I doubt if Ramsdale will not leave by January .

That West Ham third goal is something Arteta will not be happy about and will feel Ramsdale should've done better . He will keep him more on the bench and that one will not be happy about it .

We have never rate or fully shown interest in caraboa sef
History have it that way, but that's no excuse for losing this way
On to the next one

sayonara

Ballzproblemm:
sayonara

it means goodbye btw for people who don't know

BlueRayDick:


U see that goalkeeper situation , I doubt if Ramsdale will not leave by January .

That West Ham third goal is something Arteta will not be happy about and will feel Ramsdale should've done better . He will keep him more on the bench and that one will not be happy about it .

Yeah. I see that coming. If Martinez 2.0 kon happen, e no go easy for Arteta. This is a westham team with a loss run of 3, and Arsenal is losing to them for the 1st time this entire season? Like seriously?? The gk situation is minute compared to the nonsense approach of Arteta to a team that have forgotten to win since October. He should not be having this kind of result anylonger(opponents scoring back to back to back without a reply) when they aren't man city or Bayern.

daveP:



Yeah. I see that coming. If Martinez 2.0 kon happen, e no go easy for Arteta. This is a westham team with a loss run of 3, and Arsenal is losing to them for the 1st time this entire season? Like seriously?? The gk situation is minute compared to the nonsense approach of Arteta to a team that have forgotten to win since October. He should not be having this kind of result anylonger(opponents scoring back to back to back without a reply) when they aren't man city or Bayern.

It's obvious we only have a first team. The players in our second 11 are very underwhelming going by today's display .

BlueRayDick:


It's obvious we only have a first team. The players in our second 11 are very underwhelming going by today's display .

No it's just about finding the right balance to complement the weaknesses
If jourghino should start kai Kia should not
If kiwi should start then zinchenko shouldn't since they can't defend to save their lives

iamoyindamola:

No it's just about finding the right balance to complement the weaknesses
If jourghino should start kai Kia should not
If kiwi should start then zinchenko shouldn't since they can't defend to save their lives

We are saying the same thing . If the players in the reserve are as good as those in the starting 11 we won't be carrying four figure table to learn the almighty formula to balance the equation .

The first 11 is a balanced team which everybody knows would've replied with a goal immediately after White's own goal

BlueRayDick:


It's obvious we only have a first team. The players in our second 11 are very underwhelming going by today's display .

Time for Arteta to wake up. UCL and EPL no be play. We have 7 on injury list like this. We need 4 key buys that they bring the feeling of a Sanchez/Arshavin Arrival from the fans. Not these averages that everyone will be on "let's wait and see" mode.

Trust the process
But never ever trust Arteta's thinking process. It's warped.

Arteta trusts Harvest and Jorg but can't trust Nelson and Patino?? Lol

iamoyindamola:

No it's just about finding the right balance to complement the weaknesses
If jourghino should start kai Kia should not
If kiwi should start then zinchenko shouldn't since they can't defend to save their lives

Kiwi matter no be today, you remember last year Europa league away at Sporting Lisbon the first goal Arsenal conceded was bcoz Kiwior refuse to leap and contest a simple aerial ball from a harmless corner kick...I also remember the way Kai outmuscled him (Kiwior) to get shot on target vs Chelsea last season...


Arsenal won't Win Anything of substance with their first choice striker missing 4 month of action every season...! It not done anywhere!!!

BlueRayDick:


It's obvious we only have a first team. The players in our second 11 are very underwhelming going by today's display .

Admittedly, we are short without Partey/ Jesus/ Timber and late scratch ESR. However, rhe problem was that our coach, your MCM, did not make the right selection. Yes, I am going that route.

Against a physical and technical side like Westham who also have pace upfront, he fields Kiwior/ Jorg/ Kai/ Vieira.. I mean..what were you expecting? I expected Tomi to start ahead of Kiwior at CB or White. I wouldn’t even mind seeing Kai upfront as CF if that meant he did not start in the middle.

With all that being said, I am not interested in EFL and that’s why I did not get too involved even when we were losing.

Roland17:


Admittedly, we are short without Partey/ Jesus/ Timber and late scratch ESR. However, rhe problem was that our coach, your MCM, did not make the right selection. Yes, I am going that route.

Against a physical and technical side like Westham who also have pace upfront, he fields Kiwior/ Jorg/ Kai/ Vieira.. I mean..what were you expecting? I expected Tomi to start ahead of Kiwior at CB or White. I wouldn’t even mind seeing Kai upfront as CF if that meant he did not start in the middle.

With all that being said, I am not interested in EFL and that’s why I did not get too involved even when we were losing.

The EFL is the easiest title you will ever win. You will go trophyless this season

Roland17:


Admittedly, we are short without Partey/ Jesus/ Timber and late scratch ESR. However, rhe problem was that our coach, your MCM, did not make the right selection. Yes, I am going that route.

Against a physical and technical side like Westham who also have pace upfront, he fields Kiwior/ Jorg/ Kai/ Vieira.. I mean..what were you expecting? I expected Tomi to start ahead of Kiwior at CB or White. I wouldn’t even mind seeing Kai upfront as CF if that meant he did not start in the middle.

With all that being said, I am not interested in EFL and that’s why I did not get too involved even when we were losing.

I agree the players combination on the field is not the best considering the quality and physicality of our opponents . But I know if some regulars like Martinelli , Odegaard had started we would've complained Arteta don't rest key players even in cup games .

That being said , I just hope we don't mess up FA cup like this . I'm also not really a fan of EFL cup ; I take FA cup as serious as the league .

MSGAMBLE9:
Kiwi matter no be today, you remember last year Europa league away at Sporting Lisbon the first goal Arsenal conceded was bcoz Kiwior refuse to leap and contest a simple aerial ball from a harmless corner kick...I also remember the way Kai outmuscled him (Kiwior) to get shot on target vs Chelsea last season...


Arsenal won't Win Anything of substance with their first choice striker missing 4 month of action every season...! It not done anywhere!!!

At this point it appears Jesus is not even our first choice striker anymore .

BlueRayDick:


Which nonsense tactical player?

Player wey no fit mark, he no fit do normal incisive forward passes.... Smh

U just like to hype rubbish. I doubt u even played football to understand that players like Jorginho are a weakness to a team the moment they start. The rest of the team will just learn to live with the coach's decision of starting him

Your problem is that you are still stuck with '90s football.

These days the idea of positional play has moved from the traditional methods where you think the no 9 has to be the goal scorer or the no 2 is a fullback and has to run along the touch line. You need to look at what a player is told to do and how he goes about doing it.

I have said that while Jorginho and Partey are both DMs, their roles differ. Jorginho is usually asked to drop in to the back three when we play from the back. He positions himself on the RCD during buildup. His role is basically to transit the ball around the back three. This is unlike Partey who is more like a play maker from deep apart from his defensive duties. If you are thinking Jorginho will e making defense splitting passes from deep who will wait for years because that is not his playing pattern.

Roland17:


Admittedly, we are short without Partey/ Jesus/ Timber and late scratch ESR. However, rhe problem was that our coach, your MCM, did not make the right selection. Yes, I am going that route.

Against a physical and technical side like Westham who also have pace upfront, he fields Kiwior/ Jorg/ Kai/ Vieira.. I mean..what were you expecting? I expected Tomi to start ahead of Kiwior at CB or White. I wouldn’t even mind seeing Kai upfront as CF if that meant he did not start in the middle.

With all that being said, I am not interested in EFL and that’s why I did not get too involved even when we were losing.

We have Newcastle in the league and they are in top form. I'd lose twice to West Ham in a carabao cup than to lose to Newcastle once. I think Tomi will start against Newcastle or will be a major part of the game plan.

What this lost tells me is that our second team failed themselves and will therefore have limited playing time without complaining.

BlueRayDick:


It's obvious we only have a first team. The players in our second 11 are very underwhelming going by today's display .

The second eleven are not bad individually but collectively. We lost because Arteta used the match for test analysis. Like a friendly or a way to keep some players fit and competitive. Bad decision? Yes if we go trophyless again.

As I saw Viera, Jorginho and Kai in midfield, I no just bother watch the match again. Plus it's EFL.

Imagine 3 soft sisses against any EPL Midfield.

I just happy say I no watch am

Spy360:

Your problem is that you are still stuck with '90s football.

These days the idea of positional play has moved from the traditional methods where you think the no 9 has to be the goal scorer or the no 2 is a fullback and has to run along the touch line. You need to look at what a player is told to do and how he goes about doing it.

I have said that while Jorginho and Partey are both DMs, their roles differ. Jorginho is usually asked to drop in to the back three when we play from the back. He positions himself on the RCD during buildup. His role is basically to transit the ball around the back three. This is unlike Partey who is more like a play maker from deep apart from his defensive duties. If you are thinking Jorginho will e making defense splitting passes from deep who will wait for years because that is not his playing pattern.

The crux of the matter is each time Jorginho has been asked to play whatever nonsense he's playing we've seen how it ended up for the team. The midfield gets overrun , we find it hard to transition the ball from the back to attack because the midfielder who is expected to advance the ball just wants to keep passing to the back 4, and we just struggle to make things work in our favour .

We had better get another good midfielder instead of thinking this Jorhinho will depitoze for Partey and we won't miss Partey .

My dad used to say one proverb in Yoruba : " aisedede Ara aye, lomu ka ranti Ara orun" ( Meaning : Its the ineffectiveness/ineffeciency of the living that makes one miss the dead ) . Shebi if Partey stay fit , we no go even dey reason Jorginho matter at all.

BlueRayDick:


The crux of the matter is each time Jorginho has been asked to play whatever nonsense he's playing we've seen how it ended up for the team. The midfield gets overrun , we find it hard to transition the ball from the back to attack because the midfielder who is expected to advance the ball just wants to keep passing to the back 4, and we just struggle to make things work in our favour .

We had better get another good midfielder instead of thinking this Jorhinho will depitoze for Partey and we won't miss Partey .

My dad used to say one proverb in Yoruba : " aisedede Ara aye, lomu ka ranti Ara orun" ( Meaning : Its the ineffectiveness/ineffeciency of the living that makes one miss the dead ) . Shebi if Partey stay fit , we no go even dey reason Jorginho matter at all.

Jorginho is just being Jorginho as good as he is. The mistake is using him in a team that doesn't need his skill set.

It's like having Giroud as striker. We all know that he can run or dribble but he can do flicks . So if a manager chooses to play him as striker and expects him to dribble and make dashing runs, that would be senseless thinking to me.

Jorginho is just himself.