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iamoyindamola:
Wait na
Make them come Emirates fess

See eh, all the teams wey don beat us so far, I don get them for mind.
Funny enough, they won through VAR controversy.

mostob:
You Gerrit. The rice that has been playing since is uncooked. Imagine if the rice is cooked....ooh lah lah lah

Playing with our squad is what I’ve been looking forward to

Lush100:
Brother Giroud is a good striker.
Also a lot of players output depend on the system you are playing.
Kante was effective for Most Chelsea managers but was ineffective with Lampard and to a lesser extent Tuchel.

However if a player is not performing.....we ate free to call it out even though we give them benefit of doubt and then when he start performing we praise them.
Consistent player should be given some slack when they are below par.

Many here won't or didn't accept the bolded when Giroud was with us. But I insisted because I thought rationally.

You are right when you said some players do well under certain systems or managers even though we criticise them. Doesn't it mean that most of us who criticise cannot see how good the player is because the system blinds us or because we have preconceived notions of how a player should perform irrespective of the system in which he plays? Take Havertz for example, most people can't see how well he performs simply because of preconceived ideas? Same as Gabriel Jesus etc.

mostob:
Timber and Partey back in training.

One interesting fact about Arsenal is that we haven't yet played our best team.

Spy360:
Many here won't or didn't accept the bolded when Giroud was with us. But I insisted because I thought rationally.

You are right when you said some players do well under certain systems or managers even though we criticise them. Doesn't it mean that most of us who criticise cannot see how good the player is because the system blinds us or because we have preconceived notions of how a player should perform irrespective of the system in which he plays? Take Havertz for example, most people can't see how well he performs simply because of preconceived ideas? Same as Gabriel Jesus etc.

Gabriel Jesus makes us unpredictable.

Harvetz had confidence issues and currently I prefer him in the starting 11.
However baba most of us that criticized Arteta said he should ease him Harvetz into the squad and bring him in to make impact and blend with the team.

Brother our team is complete oh maybe some bench power.

White though has been below par.
The Raya and Ramsdale battle still dey

Spy360:
One interesting fact about Arsenal is that we haven't yet played our best team.

Do we even have a best team?
IMO, I don't think so. We may not be at the stage where we can confidently change the entire lineup and there won't be a drop in quality. But, we are not a 11-player team either.
Can you put out that best team please

Lush100:
Its as if some people have forgotten Saka so soon a player who from the wings had both double digit goals and double digits assist.
He is only behind Bellingham because Bellingham is scoring goals from midfield regularly which is not sustainable on the ling run
Let Bellingham get injury or let RM buy a striker you will know that midfield is more than just scoring goals.

Saka that single-handedly carried arsenal last season and the season before.
That guy has been overplayed and targeted for fouls. When last did u see only one person marking saka through out the game. Its usually 3.
Sallah yesterday only Zinch was on him.

Guy forget Saka na prodigy, wonderkid, top player.
Person that had to play with injury.
Even when not injury prone.

Let me ask if dem wan bid for saka u and me know anything less than 170M will not be acceptable.
Add Saliba, Rice even Gabriel Jesus. Its will take serious money to.even consider these player
Saka that was drawing completion with Haaland if not that Haaland had an insane goal season last time.

Forget even on Saka worst day he will give u a winning goal.assist.

Go.and verify jare

You're interested in goal and assist. I'm interested in growth, development, and dominance.

Saka and Martinelli are not growing and developing.
Let's say they are, it is slow as opposed to how we anticipated.
You've not asked yourself why.

By growing, developing, improving, and dominating, you become a force. We know this by internal history - Henry, RVP, Fabregas, Hleb, Nasri, Song, Ashley Cole, etc.
We also know this by external history - CR7, Messi, Vinicius, Mbappe, Mané, Salah, Bale, etc. Even Rodrygo of yesterday.

Saka and Martinelli are supposed to be in an upward trajectory based on the status of their club and position, number of games played, opponents, and level of competition they've played in.
If you're a man of analysis, you'll realise it isn't upward but zig-zag. Today, up. Tomorrow, down. Next week, uncertain, unsure, excuses, etc.

If you didn't follow football in the past, no problem.
In the present, Bellingham, Vinicius, Mbappe, etc., shows us what it means that you're growing as a player.
Not only in stats, but in force, command, total domination, etc.
I watched Mané grow from strength to strength in Southampton and then Liverpool. Total dominance, force, unplayable, week-in-week-out performances, etc. Same with Hazard, Sanchez, Bale, Salah, etc.

I'm an Arsenal fan through and through, but I can tell you for a fact that I'm not seeing this in Saka and Martinelli. Add Odegaard.
We can all console ourselves with goals, assists, best player, team of the year, etc.
I won't buy it.

Hleb, Nasri and Song grow but Saka ,Martinelli and Odegaard no grow

Just dey play!

Just say u don't like young players doing great for the club under a young manager and we will all understand. Except u know more than English national team, Brazil national team, Norwegian national team, the EPL and everybody within and outside the club that has appreciated the talent and professionalism of those young boys doing exploit not only at club level but at national team level.

Hausa:
You're interested in goal and assist. I'm interested in growth, development, and dominance.

Saka and Martinelli are not growing and developing.
Let's say they are, it is slow as opposed to how we anticipated.
You've not asked yourself why.

By growing, developing, improving, and dominating, you become a force. We know this by internal history - Henry, RVP, Fabregas, Hleb, Nasri, Song, Ashley Cole, etc.
We also know this by external history - CR7, Messi, Vinicius, Mbappe, Mané, Salah, Bale, etc. Even Rodrygo of yesterday.

Saka and Martinelli are supposed to be in an upward trajectory based on the status of their club and position, number of games played, opponents, and level of competition they've played in.
If you're a man of analysis, you'll realise it isn't upward but zig-zag. Today, up. Tomorrow, down. Next week, uncertain, unsure, excuses, etc.

If you didn't follow football in the past, no problem.
In the present, Bellingham, Vinicius, Mbappe, etc., shows us what it means that you're growing as a player.
Not only in stats, but in force, command, total domination, etc.
I watched Mané grow from strength to strength in Southampton and then Liverpool. Total dominance, force, unplayable, week-in-week-out performances, etc. Same with Hazard, Sanchez, Bale, Salah, etc.

I'm an Arsenal fan through and through, but I can tell you for a fact that I'm not seeing this in Saka and Martinelli. Add Odegaard.
We can all console ourselves with goals, assists, best player, team of the year, etc.
I won't buy it.

By growth and development, do you mean other teams looking to woo them away from the Emirates?
So until Madrid starts wooing them away from us, is this what you consider Growth.

Cause those young boys giving us double digits goals and assist every season and you say they aren’t developing?

A quick question:
How does attackers improve apart from goals, assists, high technical football IQ?

BlueRayDick:


Hleb, Nasri and Song grow but Saka ,Martinelli and Odegaard no grow

Just dey play!

Just say u don't like young players doing great for the club under a young manager and we will all understand. Except u know more than English national team, Brazil national team, Norwegian national team, the EPL and everybody within and outside the club that has appreciated the talent and professionalism of those young boys doing exploit not only at club level but at national team level.

He even made reference to Rodrigo growing but Saka and Martinelli ain't. Na him understand the type of growth and development he wants to see to believe. Martinelli Haven't been up with goals compared to last season, but how he plays have changed, but I think being always isolated on that wing is affecting his game(and his village people dey enter him head steady to Bleep up on final decision), last season xhaka was always with him, but now Havertz plays his own game. And I don't think anyone can say Saka Haven't been prolific this season.

Shegzdave:
By growth and development, do you mean other teams looking to woo them away from the Emirates?
So until Madrid starts wooing them away from us, is this what you consider Growth.

Cause those young boys giving us double digits goals and assist every season and you say they aren’t developing?

A quick question:
How does attackers improve apart from goals, assists, high technical football IQ?

High technical football IQ.
I'm glad you mentioned this.

That right there is lacking in Odegaard, Saka and Martinelli.

Hausa:
High technical football IQ.
I'm glad you mentioned this.

That right there is lacking in Odegaard, Saka and Martinelli.

How do u measure “High technical football IQ ? “ . What metrics is acceptable to u for a player to be regarded as highly technical ?

Let’s start from there

germaphobe:
He even made reference to Rodrigo growing but Saka and Martinelli ain't. Na him understand the type of growth and development he wants to see to believe. Martinelli Haven't been up with goals compared to last season, but how he plays have changed, but I think being always isolated on that wing is affecting his game(and his village people dey enter him head steady to Bleep up on final decision), last season xhaka was always with him, but now Havertz plays his own game. And I don't think anyone can say Saka Haven't been prolific this season.

Most likely he just doesn’t like those players . If u go to Chelsea thread u will see people coveting those same 3 players he’s denigrating .

Even pundits who are fans of other clubs can’t hide their admiration for those players . It’s only a person who don’t know ball that will leave assists and goals and say he’s looking for one personal attribute to judge an attacker .

Spy360:
I liked him not because of what he said particularly but the boldness of taking an unpopular position and using rational thinking to defend his thoughts.

As for me, I make my opinions irrespective of whether they are popular or not. For example I am not going to say Henry is not the best goal scorer in Arsenal's history. I am not going to say Senderos is better than Saliba. But when I say Giroud is a good striker I prove it with logical and rational thinking. Obviously I was right about Giroud (he is France record goal scorer). I was right about Lacazette Vs Nketiah. I was right about Gabriel Jesus. I have been proven right again about Havertz.

I make my opinions irrespective of what majority of people say. That's because I am a thinker. My opinion may or may not align with majority. The alignment is not my problem, my problem is what are the real facts on ground.

What I praised about Hausa post is that he is bold to take such a position that's all. Many people don't think they only flow with popular opinion which I don't regard any value. Someone may say Pep is the best tactician in PL, but when asked to prove it, they can't because that opinion didn't come from their head, it came from what they saw as popular opinion.

Nobody is against being bold. It's actually a good thing.

What we're vehemently against is saying wrong facts or opposing something that's glaring with boldness.

Nairaland don finally unlock me...

It's well

Spy360:
Many here won't or didn't accept the bolded when Giroud was with us. But I insisted because I thought rationally.

You are right when you said some players do well under certain systems or managers even though we criticise them. Doesn't it mean that most of us who criticise cannot see how good the player is because the system blinds us or because we have preconceived notions of how a player should perform irrespective of the system in which he plays? Take Havertz for example, most people can't see how well he performs simply because of preconceived ideas? Same as Gabriel Jesus etc.

Giroud was very average while with us. Very very very average. Even Chelsea fans will tell you he's average while with them.

He can become France record goalscorer for all I care, it doesn't concern me cos I don't support France.

Even the Havertz sef, not that he's even exceptional so far. It's just that the bar from us is set low for him, so we're just supporting him and hoping he picks up very well to what we expect of an Attacking Midfielder.

Hausa:
High technical football IQ.
I'm glad you mentioned this.

That right there is lacking in Odegaard, Saka and Martinelli.

Blasphemy!!!!

No Havertz tomorrow.

Would we see Jorginho or ESR.

I would prefer ESR but then, it's too sudden to be a starter. Moreover, Arteta have already decided on Jorginho sef

Jodera:
No Havertz tomorrow.

Would we see Jorginho or ESR.

I would prefer ESR but then, it's too sudden to be a starter. Moreover, Arteta have already decided on Jorginho sef

Trossard will start

"Rio Ferdinand On Saka And Martinelli"

Arsenal duo Bukayo Saka and Gabriel Martinelli are now two of the most feared wingers in the Premier League and Rio Ferdinand saw it coming as long as three years ago.

The young Gunners duo, whose combined age of 44 is younger than Ferdinand at 45, were both handed their debuts under Unai Emery but really cemented their status as Arsenal regulars under current boss Mikel Arteta in 2020. After one sensational display on Boxing Day of that year, during what was an otherwise dismal campaign, Ferdinand tipped the pair for big things.

Speaking after a 3-1 home victory over Chelsea, the Manchester United legend claimed: "I watched Martinelli at Bournemouth away last season, him and Saka together, they have a link up and a relationship that's already there that I think in years to come will be a scary relationship. Scary!

"They work so well together. And [Kieran] Tierney as well backing it up. But Martinelli, I have to say is going to be a tremendous footballer. Top player. He has come back into this team and he is showing what all the fuss was about before. He is going to be a huge, huge player. Massive talent. I just hope he can stay fit. Saka, him as well."

Three years on, Ferdinand's prediction was incredibly accurate, with Saka and Martinelli two of the first names on Arteta's teamsheet. The pair played a vital role in last season's title charge and though the Gunners fell short in the end, the duo ended the campaign with 14 and 15 league goals respectively.

Saka has picked up where he left off this term, with a further five goals and six assists in the league alone this term before Christmas. Martinelli has found goals a tad harder to come by, with just two league strikes to his name so far.

Both still only 22, Arsenal have convinced the pair of them to commit their long-term future to the club in recent months. Both have shown on more than one occasion they are players that can be relied upon for the big occasions.

Martinelli's only home league goal this season came in the form of a late winner against title rivals Manchester City. Saka netted in the north London derby, as well as a number of vital, last-gasp assists to keep Arsenal's title charge alive.

iamoyindamola:
"Rio Ferdinand On Saka And Martinelli"

Arsenal duo Bukayo Saka and Gabriel Martinelli are now two of the most feared wingers in the Premier League and Rio Ferdinand saw it coming as long as three years ago.

The young Gunners duo, whose combined age of 44 is younger than Ferdinand at 45, were both handed their debuts under Unai Emery but really cemented their status as Arsenal regulars under current boss Mikel Arteta in 2020. After one sensational display on Boxing Day of that year, during what was an otherwise dismal campaign, Ferdinand tipped the pair for big things.

Speaking after a 3-1 home victory over Chelsea, the Manchester United legend claimed: "I watched Martinelli at Bournemouth away last season, him and Saka together, they have a link up and a relationship that's already there that I think in years to come will be a scary relationship. Scary!

"They work so well together. And [Kieran] Tierney as well backing it up. But Martinelli, I have to say is going to be a tremendous footballer. Top player. He has come back into this team and he is showing what all the fuss was about before. He is going to be a huge, huge player. Massive talent. I just hope he can stay fit. Saka, him as well."

Three years on, Ferdinand's prediction was incredibly accurate, with Saka and Martinelli two of the first names on Arteta's teamsheet. The pair played a vital role in last season's title charge and though the Gunners fell short in the end, the duo ended the campaign with 14 and 15 league goals respectively.

Saka has picked up where he left off this term, with a further five goals and six assists in the league alone this term before Christmas. Martinelli has found goals a tad harder to come by, with just two league strikes to his name so far.

Both still only 22, Arsenal have convinced the pair of them to commit their long-term future to the club in recent months. Both have shown on more than one occasion they are players that can be relied upon for the big occasions.

Martinelli's only home league goal this season came in the form of a late winner against title rivals Manchester City. Saka netted in the north London derby, as well as a number of vital, last-gasp assists to keep Arsenal's title charge alive.

But one without basic football knowledge think otherwise 🤣🤣🤣

All of a sudden partey is back in training and afcon camp opens next week 🤣🤣
Make this old man they go abeg he's paid his dues through but enough is enough
We got rice baeby

Because of investigation, they no gree me login for 2days. But I'm Back sha. I guess it has to do with a southie babe, Samantha or so. This whole brouhaha.

Hausa:
High technical football IQ.
I'm glad you mentioned this.

That right there is lacking in Odegaard, Saka and Martinelli.

Sorry to say,
I think at this point, you’re trolling

mostob:
Trossard will start

Hmmm...
Let's see.

Tho, I suspect Jorginho

daveP:
Because of investigation, they no gree me login for 2days. But I'm Back sha. I guess it has to do with a southie babe, Samantha or so. This whole brouhaha.

Lol... It has nothing to do with Sama.ntha bro

Me laidis, na 2days dem knack too. I guess it's just Nairaland doing their thing. And we weren't the only victims too

iamoyindamola:
All of a sudden partey is back in training and afcon camp opens next week 🤣🤣
Make this old man they go abeg he's paid his dues through but enough is enough
We got rice baeby

Make we dey see sha. I go still want am even if na squad depth.

We don't know how next year will pan out. Make him just deh and recuperate himself.

If person tell me say him go dey available for over 30matches last season, I wouldn't have believed

Shegzdave:
Sorry to say,
I think at this point, you’re trolling

Na just say na internet him dey talk this thing, na why. I no believe say him fit talk this Kain thing for gathering of arsenal fans

Jodera:
Make we dey see sha. I go still want am even if na squad depth.

We don't know how next year will pan out. Make him just deh and recuperate himself.

If person tell me say him go dey available for over 30matches last season, I wouldn't have believed

Homesick want him out and we get luiz or any one

iamoyindamola:
Homesick want him out and we get luiz or any one

Who will give you Luiz?? Aston Villa in this their present form? Lmaooo

And which one do you think we'll get by January?

I don't believe Partey will be injured from now till season end. February, March and April dey. That's when Season dey hot and I believe that's where Partey will be very instrumental

Jodera:
Who will give you Luiz?? Aston Villa in this their present form? Lmaooo

And which one do you think we'll get by January?

I don't believe Partey will be injured from now till season end. February, March and April dey. That's when Season dey hot and I believe that's where Partey will be very instrumental

There's zubimendi too
Alot of these guys partey is old and we should bin him before he becomes unsellable

iamoyindamola:
There's zubimendi too
Alot of these guys partey is old and we should bin him before he becomes unsellable

I'm not against binning him but it should be in summer not winter. Drop him up for sale in summer and I'm sure even Saudi people go show face(they did this summer sef)

Zubimendi is another unrealistic name. You just deh call names wey even the players themselves will oppose the January move.