Who was the person I was arguing with about right backs overlapping yesterday?

See the goal Madueke just scored now. He was with two people and Gusto sprints up to join him and creates uncertainty. In that one moment, a small space opens up, baba takes the shot and we lead by two.

Ben White go stand like say e be usher for RCCG.

Get your full backs to overlap. Simple.

Pataki:
Happy New Yearss Gunners!


Good to see you all keeping the gunner vibes going here.

Damn! It has been ages.

Good to read from an OG!

Happy new year!

Jodera:
Stats is just like Mini Skirt, cos it don't reveal the main important things.

That's why you'll be bold enough to say Nketiah is a better player than Jesus in arsenal because he scores more goals than him. That's why you'll say Giroud is on par with Van Persie, Adebayor and Auba in arsenal shirt. Mind you, 2/3 of the trio have won golden boot while the last one was a golden boot contender.

If you don't think Stats is to complement what we watch and not a "stand alone" criteria, then you can be watching your football in livescores/sofascores. They give good stats

You will keep arguing even when the facts are laid bare to you. It's honourable to accept arguments that are made with facts that are verifiable. Even if you don't believe the facts at least accept them. If someone says he is a billionaire and I doubt it. If the person shows be his bank balance at least I should accept even if I still have my doubts. Any body can wake up and call Giroud 'very very average'.

It's funny because it is similar to you accusing Hausa for saying that Saka and Martinelli are average. There is no difference then between the both of you.

daveP:


Borrowing the words of komek on super Eagles thread

"Stats are indicative, not conclusive"

And we all know that one has to still react to indications for maximum output regardless of what one is comfortable with. Hence....

Any football fan that relies solely on stat is just trolling.

Unlimited22:
Who was the person I was arguing with about right backs overlapping yesterday?

See the goal Madueke just scored now. He was with two people and Gusto sprints up to join him and creates uncertainty. In that one moment, a small space opens up, baba takes the shot and we lead by two.

Ben White go stand like say e be usher for RCCG.

Get your full backs to overlap. Simple.

Don't blame White, blame Arteta. White is part of a back three together with Saliba and Gabriel. If he overlaps the defense will be open.

Jodera:
Cos goals to games ratio is scam.

Everyone knows Van Persie was injury prone during his years here and most of the times, he'll be coming as Sub to gain fitness before finally breaking into first 11. The only season he stayed throughout without injury, he hit 30 goals sharp.

Same thing with Adebayor who was in a two striker system with Henry. The season the latter was Sold, and Adebayor became the main Man, he hit 24goals sharp.

Giroud have always been the main man yet he scored 16 goals highest and you're comparing him with those two?

Giroud name no suppose dey the same sentence with any "Van".

You got jokes sha

You are wasting cyberspace. Post the required measures that you used to determine that Giroud is very average.

I have brought up titles you say they are rubbish. I then brought stats you call them mini skirts. Oga bring whatever you used to determine that Giroud is average or remain silent. Talk is cheap.

Meanwhile I'll like to see the goals per minute ratio your talked about. Don't run.

daveP:


Borrowing the words of komek on super Eagles thread

"Stats are indicative, not conclusive"

And we all know that one has to still react to indications for maximum output regardless of what one is comfortable with. Hence....

I think it's correct to say. However, stats are facts that when presented as evidence should be accepted.

If I say I spend millions daily for example, and you doubt it. Then I bring facts to prove it, like a bank statement, you should accept the facts as long as you don't have any counter evidence, even if you still don't believe. That's my problem with Jodera. After going to viewing centre to hear beer parlour analysis he will come here to argue with no evidence.

For all the talks about Liverpool defenders, they have the best defense so far this season. Better than Arsenal and Man City.

Spy360:

You will keep arguing even when the facts are laid bare to you. It's honourable to accept arguments that are made with facts that are verifiable. Even if you don't believe the facts at least accept them. If someone says he is a billionaire and I doubt it. If the person shows be his bank balance at least I should accept even if I still have my doubts. Any body can wake up and call Giroud 'very very average'.

It's funny because it is similar to you accusing Hausa for saying that Saka and Martinelli are average. There is no difference then between the both of you.

Football no be mathematics wey I wan dey use stats as all in all.

I no be stats person but if you feel say Giroud dey on par with Van Persie and Auba, then good for you.
And if you and H.ausa feels that Saka is average, Congratulations!!!

I rest my case for this matter.

Jodera:


Any football fan that relies solely on stat is just trolling.

Yeah. They SHOULD NOT be ignored either. They spice up the analysis. Anyone wey no wan analyze with stats dey play. Not, e no dey play. The person dey gba!! Students of Statistics know these things.

Spy360:

I think it's correct to say. However, stats are facts that when presented as evidence should be accepted.

If I say I spend millions daily for example, and you doubt it. Then I bring facts to prove it, like a bank statement, you should accept the facts as long as you don't have any counter evidence, even if you still don't believe. That's my problem with Jodera. After going to viewing centre to hear beer parlour analysis he will come here to argue with no evidence.

Lol. All stats are facts
All stats are evidence
Make person no go dey shalaye without evidence. For one sample size, there can be stats and counter-stats. Both are still facts/evidence. It's now left to see which is affecting maximum output the most. If the counterfact is that max one, it wins!! Simple!!!
For your bank statement example, that falls under irrefutable facts!! However, since football get sentimental value in the mix, one may still choose to stand by their weak premise. Doesn't make it any more factual than the irrefutable one.

That is why i personally will continue to complain about our output vs last season. I'm not too comfy like others just cos we 2nd. By 2nd week of January we MAY be 4th if City continues to win and outscore us(for example). We can also be 1st again since out of top 4, we have the easiest next 5 fixtures( unless we flop and disappoint)

daveP:


Yeah. They SHOULD NOT be ignored either. They spice up the analysis. Anyone wey wan analyze with stats dey play. Not, e no dey play. The person dey gba!! Students of Statistics know these things.

So you agree that Giroud was on Par with Van Persie and Auba during their time here?

Jodera:
Stats is just like Mini Skirt, cos it don't reveal the main important things.

That's why you'll be bold enough to say Nketiah is a better player than Jesus in arsenal because he scores more goals than him. That's why you'll say Giroud is on par with Van Persie, Adebayor and Auba in arsenal shirt. Mind you, 2/3 of the trio have won golden boot while the last one was a golden boot contender.

If you don't think Stats is to complement what we watch and not a "stand alone" criteria, then you can be watching your football in livescores/sofascores. They give good stats

Joderaaaaa

All these scholars no do pass this one. You deserve an honorary degree abeg.

Unlimited22:
Who was the person I was arguing with about right backs overlapping yesterday?

See the goal Madueke just scored now. He was with two people and Gusto sprints up to join him and creates uncertainty. In that one moment, a small space opens up, baba takes the shot and we lead by two.

Ben White go stand like say e be usher for RCCG.

Get your full backs to overlap. Simple.

Haaa... you too?
Anyway, we no dey stand o. We dey walk up and down at times. No dey enter us anyhow.

Spy360:

You will keep arguing even when the facts are laid bare to you. It's honourable to accept arguments that are made with facts that are verifiable. Even if you don't believe the facts at least accept them. If someone says he is a billionaire and I doubt it. If the person shows be his bank balance at least I should accept even if I still have my doubts. Any body can wake up and call Giroud 'very very average'.

It's funny because it is similar to you accusing Hausa for saying that Saka and Martinelli are average. There is no difference then between the both of you.

Bro... Stats can be quite misleading. Remember Mustafi had better stat than VVD that year. Now pray tell...who would you have rather have in your team between both?

Statistically, Havertz has been better than Xhaka this season yet many would still go for Xhaka when it comes down to choosing between the two.

Everything no be by stat bro.

Spy360:

You are wasting cyberspace. Post the required measures that you used to determine that Giroud is very average.

I have brought up titles you say they are rubbish. I then brought stats you call them mini skirts. Oga bring whatever you used to determine that Giroud is average or remain silent. Talk is cheap.

Meanwhile I'll like to see the goals per minute ratio your talked about. Don't run.

You remember that year Leceister won the league. Remember Giroud went almost 15 games without scoring. That is one proof.


Jones was crawling and still got to the ball ahead of Giroud that was running. That is another proof.

Spy360:

I think it's correct to say. However, stats are facts that when presented as evidence should be accepted.

If I say I spend millions daily for example, and you doubt it. Then I bring facts to prove it, like a bank statement, you should accept the facts as long as you don't have any counter evidence, even if you still don't believe. That's my problem with Jodera. After going to viewing centre to hear beer parlour analysis he will come here to argue with no evidence.

Does your bank statement shows what exactly you spent the money on?

Does your bank statement shows is na #500 or #1000 you dey spend?

Jodera:

So you agree that Giroud was on Par with Van Persie and Auba during their time here?

Error initially. "Without stats" corrected.


I can't call them to be at par. We should never forget the style of play is totally different even if they are both forwards. That's why i was laughing when i saw some comments mocking Giroud for not scoring at the WC. I just shake head. That guy was the intro to a new style of play for national teams.


His goals surpassing Igwe in national team is also indicative, not conclusive. OG sha was wasteful at Emirates sha.

mostob:
Joderaaaaa

All these scholars no do pass this one. You deserve an honorary degree abeg.

Lol...
To even go on with the argument tire me.

It's a big disservice to Van Persie I swear

daveP:


Error initially. "Without stats" corrected.


I can't call them to be at par. We should never forget the style of play is totally different even if they are both forwards. That's why i was laughing when i saw some comments mocking Giroud for not scoring at the WC. I just shake head. That guy was the intro to a new style of play for national teams.


His goals surpassing Igwe in national team is also indicative, not conclusive. OG sha was wasteful at Emirates sha.

If you can't call them to be at par, then what are supporting the stats for?

And please don't say we have different styles during both of them era. Both played under Wenger and Giroud immediately replaced Van Persie, so you can't say the teams or style was different

Jodera:


If you can't call them to be at par, then what are supporting the stats for?

And please don't say we have different styles during both of them era. Both played under Wenger and Giroud immediately replaced Van Persie, so you can't say the teams or style was different

I am talking about downplaying Giroud cos of those mocking him for WC show.

His stats never won him Golden boot for Arsenal. Rvp got Boot at Arsenal and Man U. 30 and 26goals respectively.

Giroud can't lace RVP Arsenal boots. Let him try Yakubu Aiyegbeni fes. Who was the last person to score 26G/A for Arsenal sef? Auba?

daveP:


I am talking about downplaying Giroud cos of those mocking him for WC show.

His stats never won him Golden boot for Arsenal. Rvp got Boot at Arsenal and Man U. 30 and 26goals respectively.

Giroud can't lace RVP Arsenal boots. Let him try Yakubu Aiyegbeni fes. Who was the last person to score 26G/A for Arsenal sef? Auba?

Well, like I've always maintained (which was my bullet point to Spy) that Giroud was very very average at arsenal. I don't care nor does it concerns me what he does outside arsenal cos I'm neither a Giroud Stan nor do I support those clubs.

Spy brought stats and says he's on par with Van Persie and Auba and your tone initially seemed to agree so.

daveP:



Lol. All stats are facts
All stats are evidence
Make person no go dey shalaye without evidence. For one sample size, there can be stats and counter-stats. Both are still facts/evidence. It's now left to see which is affecting maximum output the most. If the counterfact is that max one, it wins!! Simple!!!
For your bank statement example, that falls under irrefutable facts!! However, since football get sentimental value in the mix, one may still choose to stand by their weak premise. Doesn't make it any more factual than the irrefutable one.

That is why i personally will continue to complain about our output vs last season. I'm not too comfy like others just cos we 2nd. By 2nd week of January we MAY be 4th if City continues to win and outscore us(for example). We can also be 1st again since out of top 4, we have the easiest next 5 fixtures( unless we flop and disappoint)

You are absolutely right in everything you said here.

For every stat there are counter stats. I hope Jodera and Mostob can understand this. For example Striker A may score more goals than striker B but A may have also missed more clear chances than B. So the question becomes which stats supercedes the other.

Jodera:
Football no be mathematics wey I wan dey use stats as all in all.

I no be stats person but if you feel say Giroud dey on par with Van Persie and Auba, then good for you.
And if you and H.ausa feels that Saka is average, Congratulations!!!

I rest my case for this matter.

As per the bolded you think it's about feelings? It's you that feels when you open your mouth whaooo like Roman Reigns without having evidence. Football is mathematics. You may 'feel' that Man United and Chelsea have better players than Aston Villa, but look at the league table, Aston Villa has more points than Man United and Chelsea. It's not about feelings it is about evidence.

mostob:
Bro... Stats can be quite misleading. Remember Mustafi had better stat than VVD that year. Now pray tell...who would you have rather have in your team between both?

Statistically, Havertz has been better than Xhaka this season yet many would still go for Xhaka when it comes down to choosing between the two.

Everything no be by stat bro.

My friend stats are not misleading to those who know how they work. If they were then why are they kept. Opta has been keeping stats of players for many years and making good money.

Saying stats are misleading is like saying your bank statements are misleading. EFCC go just carry you go where you don't know.

mostob:
You remember that year Leceister won the league. Remember Giroud went almost 15 games without scoring. That is one proof.


Jones was crawling and still got to the ball ahead of Giroud that was running. That is another proof.

Do you know how many games Henry played without a goal? Your point no hold water biko

In 5matches, Striker A did not score in the first four but scored a hatrick in the fifth. Striker B ensured he scored one goal in each of the 5 matches. Striker B has a better goals per game ratio. But people will think striker A is a better player than B because of the 3goals they saw in one match. Mumu fans

mostob:
Bro... Stats can be quite misleading. Remember Mustafi had better stat than VVD that year. Now pray tell...who would you have rather have in your team between both?

Statistically, Havertz has been better than Xhaka this season yet many would still go for Xhaka when it comes down to choosing between the two.

Everything no be by stat bro.

You fans can be funny.

Havertz missed one game and Arsenal lost 2-0 at home to West Ham. Think about this. When I said it is Havertz that makes the tactics to work with his space control you guys think you know ball more than me. Dey play.

Spy360:

As per the bolded you think it's about feelings? It's you that feels when you open your mouth whaooo like Roman Reigns without having evidence. Football is mathematics. You may 'feel' that Man United and Chelsea have better players than Aston Villa, but look at the league table, Aston Villa has more points than Man United and Chelsea. It's not about feelings it is about evidence.

If you need me to provide evidence to you (An arsenal OG) that Van Persie was better than Giroud in arsenal shirt just so that you'll be satisfied then you're on a long thing.

A very Long Long Thing!!!!!

Chukwu aju!!

Spy360:

You fans can be funny.

Havertz missed one game and Arsenal lost 2-0 at home to West Ham. Think about this. When I said it is Havertz that makes the tactics to work with his space control you guys think you know ball more than me. Dey play.

Thank God Havertz played against Aston Villa and Newcastle, if not I know say you for add that dirty yarns to this turkey yarns you just spewed now

Modified: I just remembered that Havertz played against this same West Ham in league cup and we lost.
Agenda must always agend sha

Spy360:

You fans can be funny.

Havertz missed one game and Arsenal lost 2-0 at home to West Ham. Think about this. When I said it is Havertz that makes the tactics to work with his space control you guys think you know ball more than me. Dey play.

I partly disagree with you on this.

We need to understand the context.

Harvetz was playing but his performance was VERY POOR.
He gave out ball loosely and missed chances.

Note I am not saying Arteta system of play was NOT built to have Harvetz as a key component.

At some point Arteta benched him and brought him in a sub which was I advocated for so he can impact and understand the game and the players.

Harvetz confidence has improved and his performance has also improved and he is showing why Arteta was bringing him in.
The system Arteta is playing Harvetz good performance will yield a positive impact.

Pls lets understand the context.

He is playing well now.

Even Odegard went through this phase.

Spy360:

You fans can be funny.

Havertz missed one game and Arsenal lost 2-0 at home to West Ham. Think about this. When I said it is Havertz that makes the tactics to work with his space control you guys think you know ball more than me. Dey play.

So you're saying we lost because Havertz didn't play? Just say it bro. FYI, you didn't support this Havertz more than me. However, I'm not too blinded to know when to call out a poor performance.

Spy360:

Do you know how many games Henry played without a goal? Your point no hold water biko

In 5matches, Striker A did not score in the first four but scored a hatrick in the fifth. Striker B ensured he scored one goal in each of the 5 matches. Striker B has a better goals per game ratio. But people will think striker A is a better player than B because of the 3goals they saw in one match. Mumu fans

Gbam! You just summarized everything. Using this your context, Giroud is the striker A here while VPersie is striker B. I'm glad you can see how a flash in the pan performance can hide a lot of inconsistencies.