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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Toju200(m): 12:52pm On Dec 21, 2023
Baller254:
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Kenya Defence Forces
training exercises
can you drop link to video pls
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Ken006: 11:15am On Dec 22, 2023
Can someone identify this new Ghana army MRLS.

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Odunayaw(m): 11:25am On Dec 22, 2023
Ken006:
Can someone identify this new Ghana army MRLS.


Ghana just took order of Chinese Poly Technology's GAE MRLS
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Baller254: 8:56am On Dec 24, 2023

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Baller254: 10:41pm On Dec 24, 2023
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Lurker4Long: 8:26pm On Dec 27, 2023
Homegrown.
POSTSCRIPT: when I posted this photo of Dr Potgieter and the 2 aircraft he had designed, I had no idea he had died. RIP to a great man.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by willybaby(m): 9:42pm On Dec 27, 2023
Lurker4Long:
Homegrown.
the Amauri is a very beautiful bird. Perfect for most airforces in sub Saharan Africa to the North. I wonder why it's doing poorly in the market ?
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Lurker4Long: 10:30pm On Dec 27, 2023
willybaby:
the Amauri is a very beautiful bird. Perfect for most airforces in sub Saharan Africa to the North. I wonder why it's doing poorly in the market ?
Orders for DRC and Mozambique. Invited to compete for the bids in Portugal and Poland late in 2024.
Since commencing production in 2023 Q2, has any potential client in Africa bought something else?
Explain what you mean by doing poorly.
9 aircraft sold in first year of production after 3 prototype iterations, doesn't sound that bad to me.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by willybaby(m): 5:40pm On Dec 28, 2023
Lurker4Long:

Orders for DRC and Mozambique. Invited to compete for the bids in Portugal and Poland late in 2024.
Since commencing production in 2023 Q2, has any potential client in Africa bought something else?
Explain what you mean by doing poorly.
9 aircraft sold in first year of production after 3 prototype iterations, doesn't sound that bad to me.
Oh my bad, production timeline etc of the bird I came across seems to be false then.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Lurker4Long: 5:54pm On Dec 28, 2023
willybaby:
Oh my bad, production timeline etc of the bird I came across seems to be false then.
It's an honest mistake. There was an unusually long time from the pre-production model (2nd prototype) to the production model (3rd prototype). Contractual disputes between the AHRLAC Company and Paramount; Paramount and Boeing (resulting in the cancellation of that marketing agreement) etc.
What seems to have turned things around is when the aircraft made it to the last 5 shortlist of US SOCOM's "Armed Overwatch" competition.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Exnavyboy62: 3:07am On Dec 29, 2023
Lurker4Long:

It's an honest mistake. There was an unusually long time from the pre-production model (2nd prototype) to the production model (3rd prototype). Contractual disputes between the AHRLAC Company and Paramount; Paramount and Boeing (resulting in the cancellation of that marketing agreement) etc.
What seems to have turned things around is when the aircraft made it to the last 5 shortlist of US SOCOM's "Armed Overwatch" competition.

I preferred the Nigerian airforce purchased this instead of the Tucanos
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by willybaby(m): 8:15am On Dec 29, 2023
Exnavyboy62:


I preferred the Nigerian airforce purchased this instead of the Tucanos
I also wanted this over the super tucano.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Lurker4Long: 9:29am On Dec 29, 2023
willybaby:
I also wanted this over the super tucano.

Exnavyboy62:


I preferred the Nigerian airforce purchased this instead of the Tucanos

It was nowhere ready then. They hadn't even moved to the 2nd prototype stage.
Even now, they're still busy with weapons integration and the aircraft in Mozambique is ISR only.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Faithful007: 11:14am On Dec 29, 2023
Lurker4Long:




It was nowhere ready then. They hadn't even moved to the 2nd prototype stage.
Even now, they're still busy with weapons integration and the aircraft in Mozambique is ISR only.

They are not really the same kind of aircraft.

The Tucano is primarily an attack/CAS aircraft while the other one is more of a counter insurgency/ recon /loitering aircraft. The Tucano is much more powerful and is comparable to attack jets while the Bronco (or whatever its called) will be much more comparable to drones. By this, I bet its strength would lie in its range.

While they have a good level of overlap, they're not interchangeable.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Lurker4Long: 12:33pm On Dec 29, 2023
Faithful007:


They are not really the same kind of aircraft.

The Tucano is primarily an attack/CAS aircraft while the other one is more of a counter insurgency/ recon /loitering aircraft. The Tucano is much more powerful and is comparable to attack jets while the Bronco (or whatever its called) will be much more comparable to drones. By this, I bet its strength would lie in its range.

While they have a good level of overlap, they're not interchangeable.
Care to include some references to back up your opinion? Like what makes Tucano attack/CAS oriented? How is Mwari/Bronco deficient in this role? How is Tucano more powerful? etc etc?
Substantiate your argument beyond mere assertions (as I used to tell 1st year students back at university when I was a student tutor).
US SOCOM put them up in the same competition, won by the Air Tractor and from which Tucano was knocked out early.
I rather think SOCOM knows its stuff.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Lurker4Long: 9:42am On Dec 31, 2023
Off-topic:
Last night was a glorious Cape Town night for rugby!

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Lurker4Long: 12:24pm On Dec 31, 2023
I weep for our continent!

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Exnavyboy62: 3:06pm On Dec 31, 2023
Lurker4Long:
I weep for our continent!

Sweden, USA and UK are heavily dependent on migrants. I believe if those migrants were to return where they came from, our continent won’t lag behind in terms of innovation. But then there arises the question, will they be provided the opportunity to be innovative in their home country…??

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by AskiaHarem(m): 9:56pm On Dec 31, 2023
Lurker4Long:
I weep for our continent!

Save your tears. Big changes are on there way with the next generation. Not to mention the numerous global shifts and New World Order.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Faithful007: 11:53am On Jan 02
Lurker4Long:

Care to include some references to back up your opinion? Like what makes Tucano attack/CAS oriented? How is Mwari/Bronco deficient in this role? How is Tucano more powerful? etc etc?
Substantiate your argument beyond mere assertions (as I used to tell 1st year students back at university when I was a student tutor).
US SOCOM put them up in the same competition, won by the Air Tractor and from which Tucano was knocked out early.
I rather think SOCOM knows its stuff.

I'll get back on this

Happy New Year guys.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Lurker4Long: 1:53pm On Jan 03
Off-topic:

I was intending to go to Newlands Cricket Ground today to watch SA v India, but at 34°Celsius, happy to watch it on TV.
Well, there's still Thursday and Friday, if India lasts that long grin grin grin!

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Lurker4Long: 8:15am On Jan 04
I've now finished reading the SA "Genocide Convention" plea to the ICJ against Israel.
It is 84 pages of rational, densely referenced, persuasive argument.
Personally, I think it is 50/50 on the first charge, because I don't think the plea accomplishes the objective of demonstrating intent.
The 2nd charge, incitement, should be a cinch, especially as it's the words of Israeli politicians uttering some vile things, repeatedly.

The plea: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdf#page=72

Free Palestine!

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MiddleDimension: 3:11pm On Jan 04
Lurker4Long:
I've now finished reading the SA "Genocide Convention" plea to the ICJ against Israel.
It is 84 pages of rational, densely referenced, persuasive argument.
Personally, I think it is 50/50 on the first charge, because I don't think the plea accomplishes the objective of demonstrating intent.
The 2nd charge, incitement, should be a cinch, especially as it's the words of Israeli politicians uttering some vile things, repeatedly.

The plea: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdf#page=72

Free Palestine!

You are a lawyer?
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Lurker4Long: 5:58pm On Jan 04
MiddleDimension:


You are a lawyer?
I initially studied law, graduated and was about to start pupillage. Changed my mind and went back to do economics. So, even though I've got the certification, no, I'm not a lawyer.
The law as a discipline I still find fascinating, it's the practice I cannot abide.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MiddleDimension: 7:24pm On Jan 04
Lurker4Long:

I initially studied law, graduated and was about to start pupillage. Changed my mind and went back to do economics. So, even though I've got the certification, no, I'm not a lawyer.
The law as a discipline I still find fascinating, it's the practice I cannot abide.

why is that?
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Lurker4Long: 7:55pm On Jan 04
MiddleDimension:


why is that?
Am I correct in presuming you're a lawyer?
I love the philosophy behind and of the law. The practice I find to be bureaucratic drudgery. One proximate example would be the dichotomy believers experience between faith and organised religion.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by GreenandGold: 11:50am On Jan 05
Lurker4Long:

I initially studied law, graduated and was about to start pupillage. Changed my mind and went back to do economics. So, even though I've got the certification, no, I'm not a lawyer.

The law as a discipline I still find fascinating, it's the practice I cannot abide.

That makes the two of us... I didn't go to economics though

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by GreenandGold: 12:04pm On Jan 05
Lurker4Long:
Off-topic:

I was intending to go to Newlands Cricket Ground today to watch SA v India, but at 34°Celsius, happy to watch it on TV.
Well, there's still Thursday and Friday, if India lasts that long grin grin grin!

34°Celsius is a normal day in the Lowveld, we don't consider it hot any more. grin
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Lurker4Long: 1:38pm On Jan 05
GreenandGold:


34°Celsius is a normal day in the Lowveld, we don't consider it hot any more. grin

tongue tongue tongue
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Lurker4Long: 7:09pm On Jan 05
Lurker4Long:
I've now finished reading the SA "Genocide Convention" plea to the ICJ against Israel.
It is 84 pages of rational, densely referenced, persuasive argument.
Personally, I think it is 50/50 on the first charge, because I don't think the plea accomplishes the objective of demonstrating intent.
The 2nd charge, incitement, should be a cinch, especially as it's the words of Israeli politicians uttering some vile things, repeatedly.

The plea: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdf#page=72

Free Palestine!

BTW, the ICJ hearing is on 11&12 January and will be live-streamed on UN Web TV here:
https://webtv.un.org/en/schedule

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 10:14pm On Jan 05
US DoD confirms Nigerian AH-1Z buy

The US Department of Defense (DoD) has confirmed the sale of the Bell AH-1Z Viper attack helicopter to Nigeria, with a related contract notification posted on 19 December.

Having been approved for the sale of 12 helicopters in 2022, Nigeria's procurement was confirmed with the announcement that Northrop Grumman had been awarded a USD7.7 million contract modification “for the production and delivery of an additional 32 H-1 tech refresh mission computers in support of the AH-1Z aircraft for the government of Nigeria”. Work on this contract is expected to be completed by June 2024.

Nigeria's total AH-1Z procurement was estimated by the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) to be valued at USD997 million, and comprised the helicopters, related equipment, spares, weapons, training, and support.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/defence/latest/us-dod-confirms-nigerian-ah-1z-buy

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