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BlueRayDick:
How can u take away his last two seasons? Everybody that watched Arsenal knew Van Persie was almost always injured which frustrated him and the fans alike.

When he was eventually healthy he proved he was not an average striker like Giroud was all through his stay at Arsenal. I see u struggle to accept Giroud was average all through his stay, but it is what it is.

Their goal haul is there for everyone to see na Haba!

You are isolating two seasons for Van Persie but taking 6seasons for Giroud. That's not fair. Giroud wasn't exceptional but he was average in terms of being useless either. He is just a normal striker. He is currently the record goal scorer for France. If this does not mean a thing to you guys then no apologies.

Shegzdave:
How will an ardent Arsenal fan compare Van Persie and Giroud in their goal scoring ability?

Some people just like argument sha

How can you just jump into an argument without first finding out the premise. Na wa for you.

I keep saying that this is an argument about whether Giroud is useless or not but about RVP Vs Giroud.

Even from the figures they is a difference in their outputs which no one has disputed. The question is based on that difference can you say Giroud was useless? I don't get how ten people in this forum can't comprehend a simple statement.

If Van Persie scored 0.5goals per game and Giroud scored 0.4goals, can we say Giroud was useless? Simple question you guys turned it to Giroud Vs Van Persie.

If I insult somebody now they will say I don start.

Spy360:
You are isolating two seasons for Van Persie but taking 6seasons for Giroud. That's not fair. Giroud wasn't exceptional but he was average in terms of being useless either. He is just a normal striker. He is currently the record goal scorer for France. If this does not mean a thing to you guys then no apologies.

Oga the discussion is about who was a better striker for us and clearly it is Van Persie. He scored 30 goals twice and 18 goals twice. Giroud highest was 16 and he only managed to achieve that twice.

E say that's not fair . Na me hold him leg and head not to score while his mates are scoring?

Maybe u don't know that Wilfred Bony of Swansea (A much lower quality team to Arsenal) that year sef score 16 EPL goals in two seasons.

Shegzdave:
How will an ardent Arsenal fan compare Van Persie and Giroud in their goal scoring ability?

Some people just like argument sha

Don't mind him; he will just be arguing for argument sake. If u choke am well enough, he will start insults like he called DaveP unschooled on top small football argument.

BlueRayDick:
Oga the discussion is about who was a better striker for us and clearly it is Van Persie. He scored 30 goals twice and 18 goals twice. Giroud highest was 16 and he only managed to achieve that twice.

E say that's not fair . Na me hold him leg and head not to score while his mates are scoring?

Maybe u don't know that Wilfred Bony of Swansea (A much lower quality team to Arsenal) that year sef score 16 EPL goals in two seasons.

Head actually since he scores more with it

iamoyindamola:
Head actually since he scores more with it

As in....

If to say Giroud na player wey play in the 90's when most people no get access to watch EPL every week now, person for even say maybe the stats do not speak of how good he was. But the Giroud wey all of us gather watch? Na average player as far as Arsenal is concerned; he can never lace the boot of a fully fit Van Persie.

A fully fit Van Persie commot Arsenal he go continue his goal scoring form for a stronger Man Utd team. An average Giroud left Arsenal and still continued his average performance for Chelsea where he scored single digits EPL goals all through

If u are average u are average abeg!

Spy360:
How can you just jump into an argument without first finding out the premise. Na wa for you.

I keep saying that this is an argument about whether Giroud is useless or not but about RVP Vs Giroud.

Even from the figures they is a difference in their outputs which no one has disputed. The question is based on that difference can you say Giroud was useless? I don't get how ten people in this forum can't comprehend a simple statement.

If Van Persie scored 0.5goals per game and Giroud scored 0.4goals, can we say Giroud was useless? Simple question you guys turned it to Giroud Vs Van Persie.

If I insult somebody now they will say I don start.

I’ve been following the back and forth on this matter, I’ve not seen where anyone described Giroud as useless, the context was AVERAGE and not useless, every Arsenal fan can agree he was average while he was with us.

As for the insults, it’s not needed nah, we can all converse without the need for insults and moreover, I believe most people here are adults so please keep the insults

BlueRayDick:
As in....

If to say Giroud na player wey play in the 90's when most people no get access to watch EPL every week now, person for even say maybe the stats do not speak of how good he was. But the Giroud wey all of us gather watch? Na average player as far as Arsenal is concerned; he can never lace the boot of a fully fit Van Persie.

A fully fit Van Persie commot Arsenal he go continue his goal scoring form for a stronger Man Utd team. An average Giroud left Arsenal and still continued his average performance for Chelsea where he scored single digits EPL goals all through

If u are average u are average abeg!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3P_1EDFt00&pp=ygU-bWJhcHBlIHBhc3MgdG8gZ2lyb3VkIGFnYWluc3QgYmVsZ3VpbSBpbiBydXNzaWEgd29ybGQgY3VwIDIwMTg%3D

Watch this clip see wetin our legend miss abeg
Ozil pass plenty like this tire, even sanchez
Na sanchez they even drag top scorer when our CF is useless in the leg na only head baba gallant

BlueRayDick:
Don't mind him; he will just be arguing for argument sake. If u choke am well enough, he will start insults like he called DaveP unschooled on top small football argument.

Those that indulge him have strength ooo Anytime I see his comments about a player and I see it can lead to any back and forth, I just Jump and Pass

iamoyindamola:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3P_1EDFt00&pp=ygU-bWJhcHBlIHBhc3MgdG8gZ2lyb3VkIGFnYWluc3QgYmVsZ3VpbSBpbiBydXNzaWEgd29ybGQgY3VwIDIwMTg%3D

Watch this clip see wetin our legend miss abeg
Ozil pass plenty like this tire, even sanchez
Na sanchez they even drag top scorer when our CF is useless in the leg na only head baba gallant

That would have been his only shot on target at the world cup but the ball no even go post .

BlueRayDick:


That would have been his only shot on target at the world cup but the ball no even go post .

E shock mbappe sef

Spy360:
Should we talk about Xhaka Vs Havertz?
Anyone?

Oya
Who was more effective?
Who has the better stat?
Answer these questions

Jodera:
I no go surprise if by next year, Spy go tell us say Havertz deh in the same class with Ozil and Cazorla during their time here.

Like Blueray said, if to say we no watch both during their time here, you fit yarn us this stats lamba.

Anything "par" weh suppose join the two together suppose be "par-titioning" (Dave P).

People said Odegaard was even better than Ozil, so I'm not surprised.

BlueRayDick:
Oga the discussion is about who was a better striker for us and clearly it is Van Persie. He scored 30 goals twice and 18 goals twice. Giroud highest was 16 and he only managed to achieve that twice.

E say that's not fair . Na me hold him leg and head not to score while his mates are scoring?

Maybe u don't know that Wilfred Bony of Swansea (A much lower quality team to Arsenal) that year sef score 16 EPL goals in two seasons.

Mtchew!!!

Shegzdave:
I’ve been following the back and forth on this matter, I’ve not seen where anyone described Giroud as useless, the context was AVERAGE and not useless, every Arsenal fan can agree he was average while he was with us.

As for the insults, it’s not needed nah, we can all converse without the need for insults and moreover, I believe most people here are adults so please keep the insults

RVP with a G to G ratio of 0.5 can also be called average right?

mostob:
Oya

Who was more effective?

Who has the better stat?

Answer these questions

Xhaka scored 7goals last season in 37games. Havertz has 4 already. So basically for now they are at par.

That's their goals contributions. However Xhaka brings more in terms of stability and leadership in the midfield.

This argument about Giroud's status as a striker has been dragging on for a while now.
May I ask why?

Why were people angry with Giroud?
Too many services (supply) with little to show.
This is because Arsenal fans knew what they used to have. Historical context was factored.
Giroud was class in his own right but was never Top Class or Top Class for us given where we had come from (Henry, RVP). And Arsenal as a Club fell from Grace is the only reason we acquired a guy like Giroud. From where we had come from, Giroud was never making our bench.
Giroud would never have excelled more than he did because there are levels to this smelling of blood thing. And his own level was not just up there.
That's why we have to praise CR7's (and some few) level of smelling blood so much that they're rated TOP-TOP. None of our attackers smell blood enough.
That's why sometimes stray balls would pass the box and all we'll shout is No striker, No striker, No striker.
It is not that. They don't smell blood enough, that's why.

The reason we hype what we have now as Top class is because we had fallen from Grace.
No single player in the squad makes the 11 of the last squad that won us the league. No chance.
But that level of what we HAD is what it takes to go all the way - Ability, Agility, Force, Desire, Mentality, Discipline, and Experience (been there, done that).

Today, the reverse is the case.
Poor service (supply) with over-expectation.
For that, no one focuses on the supply channel, but wants the striker to convert every 3 chance to 2 goals.
But we forget so soon that a healthy supply entails converting 7 chances to 2 goals.

No naaa!

Spy360:
Xhaka scored 7goals last season in 37games. Havertz has 4 already. So basically for now they are at par.

That's their goals contributions. However Xhaka brings more in terms of stability and leadership in the midfield.

According to your last paragraph, the stat was not enough to rate Havertz ahead of Xhaka right? Because Xhaka brings more stability and leadership on the pitch.

So why did you disagree when we told you the stat was not enough to put RVP and Giroud in the same class?

Tierney allegedly said he no dey return to Emirates. Lovely.
No gree for anybody.

mostob:
According to your last paragraph, the stat was not enough to rate Havertz ahead of Xhaka right? Because Xhaka brings more stability and leadership on the pitch.

So why did you disagree when we told you the stat was not enough to put RVP and Giroud in the same class?

Rating a player above another is different from placing them in the same class. RvP has better stats than Giroud there is no doubt about this, it is clear. But their stats are close enough to place them within the same class.

Meanwhile...
I didn't say the stats were not enough. I said based on their stats so far, Xhaka and Havertz are at par. That is they have the same results basically. Xhaka scored just 7 goals last season. Havertz has only 4 with about 19games to go. He can still easily surpass Xhaka's record even with fewer games because he will not play up to 37 PL this season. I only concluded that the reason I will still prefer Xhaka (for now) is because of the stability that control games and the leadership too.

BlueRayDick:
Oga the discussion is about who was a better striker for us and clearly it is Van Persie. He scored 30 goals twice and 18 goals twice. Giroud highest was 16 and he only managed to achieve that twice.

E say that's not fair . Na me hold him leg and head not to score while his mates are scoring?

Maybe u don't know that Wilfred Bony of Swansea (A much lower quality team to Arsenal) that year sef score 16 EPL goals in two seasons.

you only look at his goals returns, have you considered his hold up play and other attributes? You just running ya mouth, no sense and you say u know football. Møron

Who are all these creatures bikonu??

daveP:
Exactly. By how big clubs behave, and for someone that heralded mentality throughout our All or Nothing period, he's doing way too much in the opposite direction.

Lol... He's a coach with sentiments so it's expected

Hausa:
People said Odegaard was even better than Ozil, so I'm not surprised.

Lmaooo

Spy360:
Rating a player above another is different from placing them in the same class. RvP has better stats than Giroud there is no doubt about this, it is clear. But their stats are close enough to place them within the same class.

Meanwhile...
I didn't say the stats were not enough. I said based on their stats so far, Xhaka and Havertz are at par. That is they have the same results basically. Xhaka scored just 7 goals last season. Havertz has only 4 with about 19games to go. He can still easily surpass Xhaka's record even with fewer games because he will not play up to 37 PL this season. I only concluded that the reason I will still prefer Xhaka (for now) is because of the stability that control games and the leadership too.

Is this not what we expect from a good Midfielder?
Bringing that creativity, control and stability in midfield?

Like I said, keep on watching Livescores.

Imagine saying Havertz and Xhaka are on par presently because of goals scored and not because of what they bring in midfield.

Let's use Rice for example. You think it's the goals he scored that's making people hype him the way he's been hyped presently?

Na wa to you ooo

Spy360:
RVP with a G to G ratio of 0.5 can also be called average right?

Can you check their minutes played and compare it with their goals scored

Van Persie- banged 30 goals twice while with us, win a golden boot with us, was mostly out injured and still dropped good numbers.

Giroud- highest goal tally with us in the league was 16, was mostly fit, went on some goal drought despite we chasing the league.

One was good with us and the other was average.

Shegzdave:
Can you check their minutes played and compare it with their goals scored

Van Persie- banged 30 goals twice while with us, win a golden boot with us, was mostly out injured and still dropped good numbers.

Giroud- highest goal tally with us in the league was 16, was mostly fit, went on some goal drought despite we chasing the league.

One was good with us and the other was average.

Even if the stats don't favour RVp, Giroud is still no where close.
The advantage RVP always had over Giroud was ability.
Dem no dey sell am for market.

That's why I'm hoping Arteta will go into the market and get us players with Actual grounded ability, and not players with perceived ability.

Hausa:
Even if the stats don't favour RVp, Giroud is still no where close.
The advantage RVP always had over Giroud was ability.
Dem no dey sell am for market.

That's why I'm hoping Arteta will go into the market and get us players with Actual grounded ability, and not players with perceived ability.

I’m shocked Spy would even compare RVP to Giroud, reason I don’t use stats to determine the ability of a player.

For the bolded, I hope Arteta listens and not go for another generational talent, cause we need an Actual Talent

Shegzdave:
Can you check their minutes played and compare it with their goals scored

Van Persie- banged 30 goals twice while with us, win a golden boot with us, was mostly out injured and still dropped good numbers.

Giroud- highest goal tally with us in the league was 16, was mostly fit, went on some goal drought despite we chasing the league.

One was good with us and the other was average.

Do you want us to go by goals per min? Will you change your stance if Giroud matches RVP?
You know you are not honest with your assessment. Are we comparing their best season or their entire Arsenal career as a whole? because twice Van Persie scored just 5goals in a season.

Jodera:
Is this not what we expect from a good Midfielder?
Bringing that creativity, control and stability in midfield?

Like I said, keep on watching Livescores.

Imagine saying Havertz and Xhaka are on par presently because of goals scored and not because of what they bring in midfield.

Let's use Rice for example. You think it's the goals he scored that's making people hype him the way he's been hyped presently?

Na wa to you ooo

Lol.

You know that whenever agenda wants to agenda, people start calling ship sheep. Because I know that comprehension is not an issue for you.

I said their goals contributions are at par but Xhaka brings more than Kai. How is this wrong? Your agenda no make sense bro.

I just thought of something


Can we relieve Saka from Corner kick duties and make him be actually part of those jostling for a header in the box?

Reason being that he will easily win fouls that will lead to pk(since last season he's top 2 winners)

He may also start getting more goals in the long run. Either this or he rotates it.

Spy360:
Lol.

You know that whenever agenda wants to agenda, people start calling ship sheep. Because I know that comprehension is not an issue for you.

I said their goals contributions are at par but Xhaka brings more than Kai. How is this wrong? Your agenda no make sense bro.

You don't get it?
The first thing people rate Midfielder are your ability to control, be creative and dictate tempo. Saying they're at par in goals is you not saying anything if he still ghosts in midfield when he's suppose to be creative, control Midfield and bring stability.
Nobody likes wannabe McTom kinda performance

Odegaard for example in the season we finished 5th scored only league goals if I'm not mistaken but guys here was already happy for what he brings.

My point is that don't be clever by half.

Is Havertz better than Xhaka so far?
Yes or No?