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Donaldoni:
Whether you like it or not, a dishwasher remains a dishwasher whether in Nigeria or abroad?

Does the dishwasher abroad not live all his life on debt/mortgage should he try to buy his own car or live in his own house?

A dishwasher abroad like you said can afford to enjoy the luxury of life ,buy car and live in his own house at the expense of been indebted but as long as he his still on his ten toes he can offset them, now tell me can an average dishwasher in Nigeria ever dream of those luxury when the little he earns won't be enough to meet his basic needs.

revolt:
Experience is the best teacher. I guess. Don't leave your good job to run down to the UK. It's a sinking country. Since after losing their african colonies ..uk has been on a decline. It has never increased. An empire built on leeching can never last.

Exactly. Just like Nigeria will not last because she was built on leeching.

Usmanovic95:
A dishwasher abroad like you said can afford to enjoy the luxury of life ,buy car and live in his own house at the expense of been indebted but as long as he his still on his ten toes he can offset them, now tell me can an average dishwasher in Nigeria ever dream of those luxury when the little he earns won't be enough to meet his basic needs.

They almost NEVER offset the debts all their lives. That's why they can't return to Nigeria.

An average dishwasher in Nigeria NEVER remains so. They eventually move on and live the good life.

Even as dishwashers, they still make it - live in their own house and have their own car. It is depends on how diligent they are.

ogashman:
With this mentality i have that U re a mumu boy

You are incoherent!!!

A graduate should NEVER be a dishwasher anywhere in the world

Donaldoni:
They almost NEVER offset the debts all their lives. That's why they can't return to Nigeria.

An average dishwasher in Nigeria NEVER remains so. They eventually move on and live the good life.

Even as dishwashers, they still make it - live in their own house and have their own car. It is depends on how diligent they are.

So a dishwasher won't seek for better opportunity there over time right?
And again how many people do you know who made a fortune as a dishwasher here?

Nigerians always talk everyrthing down. Dishwasher is this, i am a graduate and cant touch the ground. This and that. All sort of complaints. Nigerians and complains and fault finding. Tueh

Usmanovic95:
So a dishwasher won't seek for better opportunity there over time right?
And again how many people do you know who made a fortune as a dishwasher here?

Very unlikely! @bolded
Many stories abound.

Donaldoni:
You guys will never learn

Nigerians hardly ever depend on their salaries especially the low-income earners.

What some dishwashers make daily from tips and the rest far dwarfs their monthly pay.

Tips by begging and ragging visitors shamelessly mtchewww

Windblown2much:
Tips by begging and ragging visitors shamelessly mtchewww

They don't always beg per se

Donaldoni:
Very unlikely! @bolded
Many stories abound.

Just curious how many dish washer in Nigeria do you know that ended up building a house buying a car and leaving the good life like you claimed? Let me even start with what proportion of graduates in Nigeria ended up having the good life?

I am just trying to have an idea and compared that with friends that came here as students and did dish washing during their student days but are now having a successful career.

dettolgel:
Just curious how many dish washer in Nigeria do you know that ended up building a house buying a car and leaving the good life like you claimed? Let me even start with what proportion of graduates in Nigeria ended up having the good life?

I am just trying to have an idea and compared that with friends that came here as students and did dish washing during their student days but are now having a successful career.

Like I told you, I don't have to know them personally.
But no dishwasher remains so in Nigeria without moving on to something better. But while they were at it, they were good.
I once worked in a hotel but not in the core hotel operations though.
The staff NEVER relied on their salaries. And they were okay. Their colleagues abroad CAN NEVER claim to be better off.

Donaldoni:
They don't always beg per se

You just using ur workplace scenerio to generalize

Windblown2much:
You just using ur workplace scenerio to generalize

Nope

dettolgel:
Just curious how many dish washer in Nigeria do you know that ended up building a house buying a car and leaving the good life like you claimed? Let me even start with what proportion of graduates in Nigeria ended up having the good life?

I am just trying to have an idea and compared that with friends that came here as students and did dish washing during their student days but are now having a successful career.

Dont waste your time engaging him.The only fact he will give is his opinion.

Donaldoni:
Very unlikely! @bolded
Many stories abound.

Reading through your post got me thinking.. Are you being true to yourself with this your assumption. You feel people coming to the Uk are uneducated and dull.. Abi student and Health workers look like who will be a diswasher forever? Be truth bruv. Your comparison should be bulit on fact or statistics. Someone that can raise 15M to japa will be dishwasher forever. Aba

Why compare new immigrants of less than 5 months in the UK with someone in nigeria all their years.

I'm currently in the UK now. I came in September... Are things easy? No! Will things be easy over a period of time? YES!

Some me when dey do Master on top renewable energy engineering go work low job forever? Forget masters self... with time and sense for head everywhere go good.

Before I forget... in the uk, when you start low, you must go high. You can't be where you were yesterday.

Let's talk about the environment and working system... compare to nigeria.

And for you saying dishwasher in nigeria earn good pay. Oh lawd. Stop lying. Nigeria get dishwasher self? Abi na same cook dey wash plate

Next time you compare this your baseless comparison... Use time frame... Use Immigration status... Using currency strength.

Much Love.

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terrymason:
Reading through your post got me thinking.. Are you being true to yourself with this your assumption. You feel people coming to the Uk are uneducated and dull.. Abi student and Health workers look like who will be a diswasher forever? Be truth bruv. Your comparison should be bulit on fact or statistics. Someone that can raise 15M to japa will be dishwasher forever. Aba

Why compare new immigrants of less than 5 months in the UK with someone in nigeria all their years.

I'm currently in the UK now. I came in September... Are things easy? No! Will things be easy over a period of time? YES!

Some me when dey do Master on top renewable energy engineering go work low job forever? Forget masters self... with time and sense for head everywhere go good.

Before I forget... in the uk, when you start low, you must go high. You can't be where you were yesterday.

Let's talk about the environment and working system... compare to nigeria.

And for you saying dishwasher in nigeria earn good pay. Oh lawd. Stop lying. Nigeria get dishwasher self? Abi na same cook dey wash plate

Next time you compare this your baseless comparison... Use time frame... Use Immigration status... Using currency strength.

Much Love.

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Where did I say dishwashers in Nigeria earn good pay

I said they NEVER have to depend on their salary. And that while they are at it, they are good.

No graduate should be a dishwasher anywhere in the world

Best of luck!

Japa guys should stop acting like this because of how many pounds you earn , a common dishwasher wan compare with bank manager 🙊(think about the different cost of living and taxes)

PS:only the broke/illiterate people wash dishes in the UK

Donaldoni:
Like I told you, I don't have to know them personally.
But no dishwasher remains so in Nigeria without moving on to something better. But while they were at it, they were good.
I once worked in a hotel but not in the core hotel operations though.
The staff NEVER relied on their salaries. And they were okay. Their colleagues abroad CAN NEVER claim to be better off.

You did tell me, you were talking to someone else. Anyways isn't it more beneficial to discuss issues that you have facts?

Well at least I know for a fact that diaspora remittance is 22billion dollars in 2022 (this did not include money that they sent back via unofficial channel). I am just wondering if they are not doing as well as you claimed how was it possible for them to send such money back home?

I believe that 2023 figure will be higher when released.

Yes I agree that remittance is not a clear evidence that they are all living well abroad but at least it is a better evidence than your opinion that you can't back up.

If I may ask what do you do for living in Nigeria?

dettolgel:
You did tell me, you were talking to someone else. Anyways isn't it more beneficial to discuss issues that you have facts?

Well at least I know for a fact that diaspora remittance is 22billion dollars in 2022 (this did not include money that they sent back via unofficial channel). I am just wondering if they are not doing as well as you claimed how was it possible for them to send such money back home?

I believe that 2023 figure will be higher when released.

Yes I agree that remittance is not a clear evidence that they are all living well abroad but at least it is a better evidence than your opinion that you can't back up.

If I may ask what do you do for living in Nigeria?

Not all monies sent from abroad are diaspora remittances.

By the grace of God, I earn dollars from my side hustle and it gets sent to me monthly

And there are thousand of people like me

Donaldoni:
Not all monies sent from abroad are diaspora remittances.

By the grace of God, I earn dollars from my side hustle and it gets sent to me monthly

And there are thousand of people like me

Of course not all money. But the one that is classified as "diaspora remittance" is because it is in the name. .

Well you said that there are thousands like you, I am not going to doubt that. Those that are like you what are the percentage in terms of our local labour force?

Why them no come back? All these lies.

maasoap:
Probably you don't know what it means to be a bank manager in Nigeria
Forex and businesses seeking loans are enough for bank managers in Nigeria to chop belleful. Dey dia.


Damn! Why do you guys find this line convenient to throw up every time? Some of you would even proudly tell us that USA prison is better than Banana island . And would gladly say that a slave in abroad is better than a king in Nigeria. How can anyone grow financially with this kind of mentality and mindset?

They are ignorant with no sense, and have spent their entire lives brainwashed by western movies and media. That’s why they reason that way.

Whatisurproblem:
do you know how much is one Pound convert to Naira? Washing dishes in UK is better than Bank manager in Nigeria.

You are cursed, diseased & dead.
You shall wallow & perish in abject poverty.
Shame on your UTTERLY USELESS mama.

The bloody nose continues...
Stay tuned!

dettolgel:
Of course not all money. But the one that is classified as "diaspora remittance" is because it is in the name. .

Well you said that there are thousands like you, I am not going to doubt that. Those that are like you what are the percentage in terms of our local labour force?

Everybody has their way!

Day in day out, people here are building their own houses and buyings cars. No life-long loans!! No life-long mortgages!!!

Donaldoni:
Everybody has their way!

Day in day out, people here are building their own houses and buyings cars. No life-long loans!! No life-long mortgages!!!

I have observed that it is either you have problem understanding questions or you willfully ignore it because you don't have the answers, which is it?

NB:You know some of us are very busy and are only interested in constructive conversation than the back-and-forth that are the hallmark of most exchange on this platform.

dettolgel:
I have observed that it is either you have problem understanding questions or you willfully ignore it because you don't have the answers, which is it?

NB:You know some of us are very busy and are only interested in constructive conversation than the back-and-forth that are the hallmark of most exchange on this platform.

Is it that you lack simple comprehension skills

I was trying to say not everybody earns dollars from side hustle like me and that those who don't have their own way which works for them

What is difficult in that

Kukutente23:
Dishwasher??

I tire oo!! I just weak for the guy.. that job na wetin person dey hide to do B4 getting a proper job in the UK . He is even proud to be a dish water .. Anyway, maybe he was a hustler that found his way to the UK .. abeg still happy for am. It's not easy .lol.

Usmanovic95:
A dishwasher abroad like you said can afford to enjoy the luxury of life ,buy car and live in his own house at the expense of been indebted but as long as he his still on his ten toes he can offset them, now tell me can an average dishwasher in Nigeria ever dream of those luxury when the little he earns won't be enough to meet his basic needs.

But to buy car for abroad nor be luxury na.Unlike in
Nigeria,having abroad is not a big deal. Even people living in the streets in the US.

omoharry:
I tire oo!! I just weak for the guy.. that job na wetin person dey hide to do B4 getting a proper job in the UK . He is even proud to be a dish water .. Anyway, maybe he was a hustler that found his way to the UK .. abeg still happy for am. It's not easy .lol.

I don't blame the guy,if you look this abroad matter carefully na this exchange rate crisis dey mess us up as a nation.Any abroad u go and u can't save a minimum of 1000USD after ur expenses in a month,is not worth it.

The First hand information i have gotten from
People close to me in UK,didn't paint a picture of doom.The people that currently struggling are those on student visas.I am aware that the Job market is currently saturated and very competitive unlike few years ago.If u are not doing very well here in Nigeria,and u get work permit package,please accept it.

Schoolshooter:
UK better this shit hole where you no fit see any vacant job




This is a job I didn't apply for it when I landed but they messaged me on indeed

Cos no one there wants to do dat job. I am not castigating what puts food on ur table o. But don't stay too long on such job if not u go enter depression o.

Itiskdg121:
Nigerians and double standard. No wonder the country keeps going down day by day.
He's a dishwasher, cab driver, packing shit.....continue.
So you expect the guy to continue with menial jobs all his life. Won't you find something to start with when you relocate to another location?
Leave the japa guys alone, because I see it as pure jealousy.
I understand your frustration after applying several times for illegal visa and failed, then you resolved to the Nigerian normal bring him down syndrome.

A country filled with hate, banditry, corruption, police brutality, scammers, Yahoo boys, Armed robbery, ritualists, oil bunkering, boko haram, cultism, budget padding, embezzlement, up Nepa and so on.... is where you want them to keep their children?

I will believe you if you can swear with your life that you've never cheated the system in that country.

Let people make the choice that suits them and by the way, what will the N15m naira buy again in the country compared to 15 years ago. SMH

Modified:
Another headline just thus morning. https://www.nairaland.com/7961734/manufacturers-may-sack-workers-naira

I have said it again and again that most times it is PURE WICKED JEALOUSY AND ENVY THAT FUELS THESE TYPE OF TOPICS.


Like you hinted, many of the persons who celebrate when fellow Nigerian’s abroad experience policies that might affect their wellbeing are those who tried to leave but could not do so. Many of them:

-Couldn’t pass IELTS

-Have failed in attempts at seeking admission

-Could not get WES done and/or are not graduates with capacity or with skills to offer.

-Have been banned and blacklisted from Applying for Visas because they forged documents and committed other malicious malpractices.

-Cannot raise funds for fees, sponsorship or proof of funds.

- Have generally not been able to meet with the point requirements of these countries they wish to immigrate to.

It will surprise you that because they are stuck in Nigeria, they are always looking for bad news against Nigerians overseas and praying for bad policies that will affect Nigeria. Nigerians are not the only Migrants in Canada and UK and Europe and Australia and USA. The Indians and Chinese are even more than Nigerians. I have never come across where India based country men wish their overseas/diaspora fellow citizens, brothers, sisters, relatives and counterparts ill will and bad luck.


I would rather see topics on “How are you guys going to manage now that this policy has come or that policy has been introduced”.

LET ME TELL YOU HERE AND NOW. ANY NIGERIAN THAT LEGALLY LEAVES NIGERIA OF TODAY HAS A BETTER POTENTIAL AND PROPENSITY TO SUCCEED THAN MANY OF THOSE AT HOME. A NIGERIAN THAT DOES NOT SUCCEED IS THE ONE THAT HAS ALLOWED UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS TO BECLOUD THEIR SENSE OF REASONING AND HAS FAILED TO PLAN PROPERLY. If you think that you are coming to make it here to do regular 9-5 and within 6 months, you buy a car and a house and live large and be a millionaire without some specialized skills, then you are joking. Plan properly. Have real expectations about the various phases in the life and process of settling as an immigrant. Know your pathway and what it will take you in your profession and pathway to succeed. Honest Hard work, consistency and self improvement pays here. There is almost a 100 per cent guarantee. In Nigeria, the guarantee that hard honest work pays is almost zero.

THOSE WHO ARE IN DIASPORA NEVER JUBILATE WHEN BADS THINGS CONTINUE TO HAPPEN IN NIGERIA. I did not read where any Nigerian in diaspora jubilated and celebrated the recent killings in Plateau or the Scarcity of naira and increasing value of Forex. Rather we majorly empathize. A few might thank God that they have left the country where things barely work, b that is the height of it.

THE HATRED AND ENVY AGAINST AND ON THOSE WHO HAVE DECIDED TO BE IN DIASPORA IS BECOMING TOO MUCH. THE ANGER. THE HATRED. THE ENVY. THE ILL WILL. THE ANIMOSITY. THE BITTERNESS AGAINST NIGERIANS IN DIASPORA IS TOO MUCH. Stop praying for their downfall and celebrating any things that is seemingly a misfortune.

People have made their decisions to go abroad as adults and it is well within their rights. It is their decision. It is their desire. Do not be jubilant when it seems they will soon experience misfortune of any kind. Wish them well and pray they succeed. Their remittances also helps in National Growth.