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Bobloco:
https://dailypost.ng/2024/01/23/breaking-court-of-appeal-judgment-police-teargas-16-sacked-plateau-pdp-lawmakers/

They are the ones going against the rules now.

Let them put the laws right.

This wouldn't have happened in the first place if our laws are direct and implementable.

seunmsg:
That’s how to enforce what the constitution says.

😏😏😏😏😏 Oya report me that I insulted you with emoji and I called you Kadoso Mutairu! People must learn how to not invite undesirable happenings.

seunmsg:
That’s how to enforce what the constitution says.

Judgement does not enforce constitution
It only interprets constitution
The executive has a responsibility to enforce constitutional provision

Agboriotejoye:
Judgement does not enforce constitution
It only interprets constitution
The executive has a responsibility to enforce constitutional provision

When there are disagreements as to the application of a constitutional provision, all interested parties go to court for interpretation and direction. The final judgement is then enforced by the relevant parties. And until that is done in the case you’re talking about, the lawmakers remain valid members of the assembly.

seunmsg:
When there are disagreements as to the application of a constitutional provision, all interested parties go to court for interpretation and direction. The final judgement is then enforced by the relevant parties. And until that is done in the case you’re talking about, the lawmakers remain valid members of the assembly.

Where is the disagreement? They didn't defect or they have immunity from section 109?

Supreme Court is the causes of political problems in plateau state,you can't install a governor and sack it's assembly on the same issues.. Supreme court should solve the problem..

Bobloco:
Like I stated earlier, the two scenarios aren't the same

Read it up yourself

Why should I read it up again when I already told you that voided primary elections was responsible for both judgement? You said I was wrong and I asked you to tell me your own version

Olaideolayemi:
Supreme Court is the causes of political problems in plateau state,you can't install a governor and sack it's assembly on the same issues.. Supreme court should solve the problem..

Supreme court is never the problem. The problem are the judges that overlooked the already established precedence. The supreme court had said umpteenth times that the issue of nomination is exclusively party issue. The same supreme court lambasted those that brought the case to it before and called them busybodies and interlopers. Why should appeal court judges overlooked such precedence and went overboard to cause monumental confusion. Truly speaking in a serious democracies, all those judges will be cooling in gaol by now for misinterpreting the law for their and someone convenience.
My concern is that no mechanist is created to checkmate judges error or review of cases. There should be high powered board consisting of cerebral and refined jurists to receive complaints and review same according to laws and established precedence of the courts of law.

Agboriotejoye:
Where is the disagreement? They didn't defect or they have immunity from section 109?

They defected because there was a division in their initial party as a result of the party having 3 national Secretary.

maasoap:
Why should I read it up again when I already told you that voided primary elections was responsible for both judgement? You said I was wrong and I asked you to tell me your own version

Which of the primary are you talking about please? In Plateau state scenario, it wasn't a case of voided primary but voided congress, which the court asked them to redo and they complied accordingly. Even the supreme court stated it in their judgement that the state congress was rightly complied with. The petitioners claimed that since there is no established state executive for PDP, it means no PDP in plateau state. So it's never a case of voided primary. That was why the supreme court justice that read the final judgement lambasted the appeal court judges for causing a lot of injuries to the ousted lawmakers because issue of Congress and nomination of candidates is exclusively reserved for the party and not outsiders. You can go and read the judgement delivered and see the soundness in it.

maasoap:
Why should I read it up again when I already told you that voided primary elections was responsible for both judgement? You said I was wrong and I asked you to tell me your own version

In the case of plateau state, Kindly provide the court judgement voiding the primary elections and also where it was challenged up to the supreme court by members of the PDP in plateau state

seunmsg:
They defected because there was a division in their initial party as a result of the party having 3 national Secretary.

Some of you that I thought you're sound upstairs are not the way I think. That a party have three national secretary, does that tantamount to division or faction in the party?
The supreme court had stated that for a faction or division to be established the party's activities must be paralyze and render them inactive. That each component functioning independently, just as we have in PDP and nPDP. Separate entity. Till date in the eye of the law, PDP is still very much functioning as they are still sponsoring candidates for elections, hence, no division can be established.

IfnobeGod20:
Which of the primary are you talking about please? In Plateau state scenario, it wasn't a case of voided primary but voided congress

And congress didn't produce those who voted in the primary election which caused the court to void it? In Zamfara state, no be the same congress issue that caused two factions to have two different primary elections?

which the court asked them to redo and they complied according. Even the supreme court stated it in their judgement that the state congress was rightly complied with. The petitioners claimed that since there is no established state executive for PDP, it means no PDP in plateau state. So it's never a case of voided primary. That was why the supreme court justice that read the final judgement lambasted the appeal court judges for causing a lot of injuries to the ousted lawmakers because issue of Congress and nomination of candidates is exclusively reserved for the party and not outsiders. You can go and read the judgement delivered and see the soundness in it.

There was no united primary
Supreme court only maintained that congress and primary election are intra party affairs which doesn't concern opposition parties thereby deviating from their judgement in 2019 in Zamfara state, calling it a mistake

IfnobeGod20:
Some of you that I thought you're sound upstairs are not the way I think. That a party have three national secretary, does that tantamount to division or faction in the party?
The supreme court had stated that for a faction or division to be established the party's activities must be paralyze and render them inactive. That each component functioning independently, just as we have in PDP and nPDP. Separate entity. Till date in the eye of the law, PDP is still very much functioning as they are still sponsoring candidates for elections, hence, no division can be established.

You are not a judge and can't interpret the constitution for them. They have interpreted the constitution based on their own understanding and if you or anyone feels they are wrong, approach the court for a better interpretation and consequential decision. That's the sensible and legal thing to do.

seunmsg:
They defected because there was a division in their initial party as a result of the party having 3 national Secretary.

How is having 3 national secretary a division in the party. The SC says a division in the NWC not a disagreement as to who is the National secretary. I have heard this argument before and it is obvious you all want to just clutch at straws. The SC and the constitution even says the division must be one that impacts the working of the party. How does disagreement on who is national secretary impacts the working of the party when there is a deputy national secretary who can run the office pending the resolution of the matter?
Stop making a caricature of our laws abeg

Agboriotejoye:
How is having 3 national secretary a division in the party. The SC says a division in the NWC not a disagreement as to who is the National secretary. I have heard this argument before and it is obvious you all want to just clutch at straws. The SC and the constitution even says the division must be one that impacts the working of the party. How does disagreement on who is national secretary impacts the working of the party when there is a deputy national secretary who can run the office pending the resolution of the matter?
Stop making a caricature of our laws abeg

Those whom think a party having three national Secretary at the same time amounts to division have a right to their opinion. If you think otherwise, approach the court and let the court decide. You cannot interpret the law for them. If you feel they are wrong, approach the court for interpretation. That’s how the system works.

seunmsg:
Those whom think a party having three national Secretary at the same time amounts to division have a right to their opinion. If you think otherwise, approach the court and let the court decide. You cannot interpret the law for them. If you feel they are wrong, approach the court for interpretation. That’s how the system works.

Opinion indeed
The SC clearly said the NWC division not National Secretary. How come the PDP NWC is still meeting and one set of people in Rivers state are pronouncing division in the party.
The constitution says their seats are vacant. There was G5 last year when the courts gave ruling against Cross River legislators

Agboriotejoye:
Opinion indeed
The SC clearly said the NWC division not National Secretary. How come the PDP NWC is still meeting and one set of people in Rivers state are pronouncing division in the party.
The constitution says their seats are vacant. There was G5 last year when the courts gave ruling against Cross River legislators

Go to court and stop wasting my time. Whatever you say on Nairaland is just your irrelevant opinion.

seunmsg:
Go to court and stop wasting my time. Whatever you say on Nairaland is just your irrelevant opinion.

Stop defending evil on Nairaland

IfnobeGod20:
Supreme court is never the problem. The problem are the judges that overlooked the already established precedence. The supreme court had said umpteenth times that the issue of nomination is exclusively party issue. The same supreme court lambasted those that brought the case to it before and called them busybodies and interlopers. Why should appeal court judges overlooked such precedence and went overboard to cause monumental confusion. Truly speaking in a serious democracies, all those judges will be cooling in gaol by now for misinterpreting the law for their and someone convenience.
My concern is that no mechanist is created to checkmate judges error or review of cases. There should be high powered board consisting of cerebral and refined jurists to receive complaints and review same according to laws and established precedence of the courts of law.

To me supreme Court is the problem, judges have the right to nominate a candidate based on electoral law and party Constitution.. According to the tribunal decision,there is a party conflict between nomination of candidates in the state,this brought some party member to take the matter to state high court,the decision of the state high court is to conduct another primary based on party decision,but unfortunately no party member took the decision serious, until the opposition parties used the opportunity to chanllenge them in the tribunal,the same in Appeal court,Y did the supreme Court overlook the decision then,they should have announced those house of assembly,house of rep, senators, instead of declaring only the governor and overlook other political position..They should make judgement too to stop political unrest in the state...

maasoap:
And congress didn't produce those who voted in the primary election which caused the court to void it? In Zamfara state, no be the same congress issue that caused two factions to have two different primary elections?


There was no united primary
Supreme court only maintained that congress and primary election are intra party affairs which doesn't concern opposition parties thereby deviating from their judgement in 2019 in Zamfara state, calling it a mistake

Some of you lacked the meat of issue but still want to dabble into it. Zamfara issue was mainly issue of primary. The APC claimed they did primary but Marafa and INEC claimed there was no primary conducted for APC aspirants in the state and it was Marafa that took the case to courts and the case ran from high court through to Supreme court.
You people need to stop commenting on this forum because you tend to confuse the unsuspecting nairalanders the more.

You people should also stop manufacturing what supreme court didn't say because APC Zamfara state case was quite different from that of PDP Plateau state. On Zamfara own, the supreme court was able to established that truly APC didn't do primary at all because the personal that instituted the case was a member of APC while that of Plateau state was on conduct of Congress and the case never passed SHC. No appeal was made. You can go back and read the supreme court judgement on the plateau matter and you will see where it was stated plainly that the state PDP complied with the judgement of the high court and conducted fresh congress, which was what APC as petitioners held on to.
Again, the only error in the Zamfara case was that Marafa wasn't a candidate in all the posts voided. He was only a candidate in the governorship primary. So, the judgement should have limited on the governorship primary and not all the posts. His interest in the governorship race was extended to other posts erroneously.
Nothing concern party A on the activity of party B, says the supreme court for umpteenth times. It is only party member or member that his interest has been trampled upon that can institute legal action on the party or member of the party. I hope you've gotten the difference?

seunmsg:
You are not a judge and can't interpret the constitution for them. They have interpreted the constitution based on their own understanding and if you or anyone feels they are wrong, approach the court for a better interpretation and consequential decision. That's the sensible and legal thing to do.

I am not a judge neither i am a lawyer but I always apply my common sense in so many issues. Since the law has not changed and the precedence are littering all over the space, you don't need Olanipekun, Ekpesu, Danladi to deduce the end result of cases because of supreme court judgements on those issues, that any layman can lay hand upon and read and deduce.
Yes, no doubt, they need to approach the court for interpretation and venting, which I think the PDP had done, as no one has right to constitute law to itself.

seunmsg:
Those whom think a party having three national Secretary at the same time amounts to division have a right to their opinion. If you think otherwise, approach the court and let the court decide. You cannot interpret the law for them. If you feel they are wrong, approach the court for interpretation. That’s how the system works.

Yes, they have right to their opinion but is their right in tandem with what supreme court validated? There's no time last year or this year that the working of PDP NWC paralyze. No time. The supreme court ruling is emphatic and no assumption. For a division to occur, the party working activities must be render paralyze and inactive.

Olaideolayemi:
To me supreme Court is the problem, judges have the right to nominate a candidate based on electoral law and party Constitution.. According to the tribunal decision,there is a party conflict between nomination of candidates in the state,this brought some party member to take the matter to state high court,the decision of the state high court is to conduct another primary based on party decision,but unfortunately no party member took the decision serious, until the opposition parties used the opportunity to chanllenge them in the tribunal,the same in Appeal court,Y did the supreme Court overlook the decision then,they should have announced those house of assembly,house of rep, senators, instead of declaring only the governor and overlook other political position..They should make judgement too to stop political unrest in the state...

My brother, you're misconstruing the whole issue here. The issue in contention in plateau state is on PDP congress and not PDP primary. It's the election to produce state PDP executive. You're mincing everything please.
A congress was to be conducted and some party members approached the court and the court told the parties concerned to maintain status quo but the main stream PDP went ahead to conduct the congress to chose state executive. The same aggrieved members went back to court and the court heard them, scolded those that conducted the congress and there after voided the congress and asked them to conduct fresh congress by carrying the petitioners along. The state PDP went home and conducted fresh congress and there was no one that went back to court to complain or sue.
Now, come 2023, APC came to the tribunal to claim, PDP did not comply with SHC ruling that they should conduct new Congress. The party came out to say they conducted fresh congress, hence, there is no PDP structure in the whole of plateau state, since no congress was conducted. The tribunal and appeal courts based their judgements on that and ousted 16 lawmakers and the governor, jettisoning the supreme court ruling that internal party activities are exclusively preserved for the party and no outsider has the right to interfere in it.
If you go and read the supreme court judgement on the same issue, how the led justice was furious of the damage inflicted on the 16 lawmakers by the appeal court. He later maintained that it was injurious because the party truly complied with the SHC ruling.

IfnobeGod20:
Yes, they have right to their opinion but is their right in tandem with what supreme court validated? There's no time last year or this year that the working of PDP NWC paralyze. No time. The supreme court ruling is emphatic and no assumption. For a division to occur, the party working activities must be render paralyze and inactive.

Good. Now, go to court and make this argument. Get a judgement to remove them as lawmakers. Until that is done, they remain valid lawmakers.

seunmsg:
Good. Now, go to court and make this argument. Get a judgement to remove them as lawmakers. Until that is done, they remain valid lawmakers.

Thank you, PDP already in court to validate that. Let's keep tab to the end.

seunmsg:
Go to court and stop wasting my time. Whatever you say on Nairaland is just your irrelevant opinion.

Why are you insulting the dude, Kadoso? Why?