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Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by Jackiedemie(m): 11:51am On Jan 29
festacman:
In as much as Keke Ogungbe, after studying in US, started off self-employed as co-owners of highly successful Kennies Music label, he could have smartly used the period he worked for his brother-in-law Raymond Dokpesi's DAAR Communications as an opportunity to tie up his NYSC loose ends.

He was a bit short-sighted there given how smart he is. May be he never anticipated he will one day got involved in politics.


Thanks you, you nailed it cos there is no law that says you can't engage on the scheme when you're 30 except at the time of your graduation!!

In any case, I doubt if he committed any offense by still undergoing NYSC because he was within the age limit at the time he graduated.
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by Jackiedemie(m): 11:53am On Jan 29
Wallade:


No! What you are entitled to get is an exemption from NYSC service.

Simple!

You're wrong. The assession he started is right!!

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Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by Wallade(m): 11:54am On Jan 29
Jman06:
It is not what you think but what the law says that matter in this case, and the law made it clear that the only condition under which one is not eligible for mobilization for NYSC is if one graduated after 30years of age.

If the Minister and the other guy can prove that they graduated on or before 30yrs of age, then it's case closed. I'm the NBA of all people understand this. Maybe some people just want to intimidate the minister small.

There is no point for this argument, the matter is in court already.

Let's see the interpretation of the courts on the age and eligibility confusion concerning NYSC.
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by Wallade(m): 11:56am On Jan 29
[quote author=yemex04 post=128181394][/quote]

The part of the act that you kept in bold does not explicitly address the age and eligibility confusion we are discussing. That is the reason some persons in connivance with NYSC officials tend to take advantage of the lacuna in the law.

Never mind, there is no need for this argument, the matter is in court already.

Let's see the interpretation of the courts on the age and eligibility confusion concerning NYSC.

When a law isn't explicit, the courts provide clarity.
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by ConfidentialDoc: 11:56am On Jan 29
nedekid:
In all this, the one that amazes me is how Kenny ogumbe could be 53. Howwww? Man that was atleast in his late 30s when we were in our early 20s.
Now he is claiming few years older.
No be juju be that?

I thought it was only me that noticed

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Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by Wallade(m): 11:59am On Jan 29
Jackiedemie:


You're wrong. The assession he started is right!!

I disagree with you, just like the various senior advocates of Nigeria - lawyers - disagree with your interpretation of the NYSC act.

The only organization that can clarify us is the court so keep your argument pending till the court makes a pronouncement on it. We are not courts or judges.

Simple.
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by Jackiedemie(m): 12:04pm On Jan 29
BlueRayDick:


U think the NBA(An association of Legal practitioners) who are suing them and the NYSC didn't go through the law before instituting a suit ?

Anybody u see who is older than 30 undergoing NYSC clearly falsified their age. I met them in camp while I was serving too.

But the former NBA Chairman once make an assertion that 25% of FCT is mandatory for one to become the president.
Do you think he didn't go through the law before making such unfounded utterances? The position of the law is 30 years at the point of graduation not mobilization!!!

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Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by Wallade(m): 12:11pm On Jan 29
Jackiedemie:


But the former NBA Chairman once make an assertion that 25% of FCT is mandatory for one to become the president.
Do you think he didn't go through the law before making such unfounded utterances? The position of the law is 30 years at the point of graduation not mobilization!!!

Where there is a lacuna or vague information in the law, the courts interpret the law and give explicit position on it to prevent misinterpretation.

This matter is already in court so wait for the outcome. You are not a judge and you position is simply your own interpretation of the NYSC act.

The position of the court supersedes all other positions, though you can appeal it to the highest (supreme) court in Nigeria.

Just follow the event in court as it unfolds.
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by OGHENAOGIE(m): 12:13pm On Jan 29
Wallade:


That is not true. Once you are above the admissible age at filing for call-up, you are expected to get an exemption from NYSC service.

Mind you, an exemption still qualifies you for private or public service and government appointments.
you are wrong oga
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by Wallade(m): 12:14pm On Jan 29
OGHENAOGIE:
you are wrong oga

You be judge? If court says otherwise to your opinion, abeg go carry placard for protest and question the court.

You are welcome to the file at the court to be joined as a party in the case in court.

Run and make it ASAP.

LOL grin

Nigerians no go just gree for anybody even when wrong!
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by EverythingPhone(m): 12:22pm On Jan 29
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Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by Jackiedemie(m): 12:26pm On Jan 29
Wallade:


Where there is a lacuna or vague information in the law, the courts interpret the law and give explicit position on it to prevent misinterpretation.

This matter is already in court so wait for the outcome. You are not a judge and you position is simply your own interpretation of the NYSC act.

The position of the court supersedes all other positions, though you can appeal it to the highest (supreme) court in Nigeria.

Just follow the event in court as it unfolds.


Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (1) of this section, with effect from 1st August, 1985, a person shall not be called upon to serve in the service corps if; at the date of his graduation or obtaining his diploma or other professional qualification -
he is over the age of thirty
he has served in the armed forces of the Federation or the Nigeria Police Force for a period of more than nine months
he is member of staff of any of the following, that is
the Nigerian Security Organisation
the State Security Service
the National Intelligence Agency
the Defense Intelligence Service
he has been conferred with any National Honour.

I think the bolded part will assist you to reconsider you position on this matter!!! Thanks!!
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by Slimlord(m): 12:29pm On Jan 29
BondRiv:
How can you mobilize someone who has exceeded 30 years for service? I have said it that the NYSC has outlived its usefulness. If you won't scrap it, then make it optional.

If you graduated before 30, even after 20 years, you'll serve

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Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by Bluntemperor: 12:29pm On Jan 29
festacman:
In as much as Keke Ogungbe, after studying in US, started off self-employed as co-owners of highly successful Kennies Music label, he could have smartly used the period he worked for his brother-in-law Raymond Dokpesi's DAAR Communications as an opportunity to tie up his NYSC loose ends.
He was a bit short-sighted there given how smart he is. May be he never anticipated he will one day got involved in politics.
In any case, I doubt if he committed any offense by still undergoing NYSC because he was within the age limit at the time he graduated.

Tru talk,bro!
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by DeOTR: 12:35pm On Jan 29
Wallade:


I am also talking to you from my experience point of view too. I got an exemption from NYSC service because I was above 30 years of age when my Alma mater filed our documents.

That act was not very explicit on the age matter hence the reason a few, in connivance with NYSC exploit it to their advantage.

I believe that is the reason the lawyers (SANs) are filing the case in court to have the court establish clarity on that age and eligibility confusion.

Otherwise, why do some falsify their age to qualify for NYSC service?
Emphasis on when they filed your documents. Your graduation date is what NYSC will use to determine your age. That's the difference.
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by BABANGBALI: 12:35pm On Jan 29
I ate that guy called Kenny Ogunbe. He is always behaving like a small children
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by Wallade(m): 12:37pm On Jan 29
Jackiedemie:



Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (1) of this section, with effect from 1st August, 1985, a person shall not be called upon to serve in the service corps if; at the date of his graduation or obtaining his diploma or other professional qualification -
he is over the age of thirty
he has served in the armed forces of the Federation or the Nigeria Police Force for a period of more than nine months
he is member of staff of any of the following, that is
the Nigerian Security Organisation
the State Security Service
the National Intelligence Agency
the Defense Intelligence Service
he has been conferred with any National Honour.

I think the bolded part will assist you to reconsider you position on this matter!!! Thanks!!

Did the law tell you what happens with people who were below 30years old when they graduated but we're not filed to serve with NYSC for whatever reason and later turn up after they are above 30 years for service.

The question you should ask is: who files your application for service with NYSC? Is it yourself or your Alma Mater or higher institution?

However, this is not an argument worth my while because the matter is in court. You will do well to tell that to the court.

You can apply to be joined as an interested party in the case.

Thanks for your opinion, it is noted.
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by Wallade(m): 12:47pm On Jan 29
DeOTR:

Emphasis on when they filed your documents. Your graduation date is what NYSC will use to determine your age. That's the difference.

Who files your document with NYSC? Is it yourself or your tertiary institution?

So if you agree that the person to file is your Alma mater, why would the school not file within a period of 1year upon your graduation when you were less than 30years old?

Why would your school file your documents with NYSC several years after you and your mates graduated? Didn't your Alma mater file your documents with NYSC when you actually graduated?

If they did and for some reasons you didn't go for service, what happened to the previous filing? Can someone be filed for NYSC service twice?

There is a lot of issues with your position if you must argue in favor of it.

You have a lot of questions to answer to defend your argument above.

Don't worry, the matter is in court already so let us wait for the outcome.
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by festacman(m): 12:57pm On Jan 29
Svoboda:


What does he even need it for? If its politics, he can conveniebtly lower his qualification by submitting sec. Sch.

I agree.
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by femi4: 1:03pm On Jan 29
festacman:
In as much as Keke Ogungbe, after studying in US, started off self-employed as co-owners of highly successful Kennies Music label, he could have smartly used the period he worked for his brother-in-law Raymond Dokpesi's DAAR Communications as an opportunity to tie up his NYSC loose ends.

He was a bit short-sighted there given how smart he is. May be he never anticipated he will one day got involved in politics.

In any case, I doubt if he committed any offense by still undergoing NYSC because he was within the age limit at the time he graduated.



The bolded is the reason. D1 has opened his eyes to politics money/power
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by femi4: 1:06pm On Jan 29
Slimlord:


If you graduated before 30, even after 20 years, you'll serve
Wrong

Once you're above the age limit, you can't serve.

May be you don't understand what it means to serve.

The service start from the below:

You mean you will allow a 65yrs old man to through the rigorous 3weeks drilling with the soldiers in camp. That's the reason they put age limit there
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by Oghene86: 1:11pm On Jan 29
BlueRayDick:
grin grin grin
Kenny Ogungbe go just be like " which kind wahala be this " ?

If Kenny Ogungbe had not shared his NYSC POP pictures online, nobody would have known he served as a 53 year old graduate o

Na wetin online go do most people that live their life online 😭
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by djon78(m): 1:17pm On Jan 29
festacman:
In as much as Keke Ogungbe, after studying in US, started off self-employed as co-owners of highly successful Kennies Music label, he could have smartly used the period he worked for his brother-in-law Raymond Dokpesi's DAAR Communications as an opportunity to tie up his NYSC loose ends.

He was a bit short-sighted there given how smart he is. May be he never anticipated he will one day got involved in politics.

In any case, I doubt if he committed any offense by still undergoing NYSC because he was within the age limit at the time he graduated.





You dey mind the people sueing Kenny

Once you graduated before 30 years you must do NYSC
You can't escape it

That's what one NYSC official told me when I went to verify whether I can skip it

Kenny didn't break any law
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by djon78(m): 1:28pm On Jan 29
Wallade:


I disagree with you, just like the various senior advocates of Nigeria - lawyers - disagree with your interpretation of the NYSC act.

The only organization that can clarify us is the court so keep your argument pending till the court makes a pronouncement on it. We are not courts or judges.

Simple.


You are wrong

I personally went to NYSC headquarters in Abuja to get clarification whether I should serve or exempt after returning to Nigeria

The officials checked my certificate and told me that if the date my certificate was issued I was even one day to my 30th birthday

I must serve

So the issue of courts interpreting anything is far fetched

That's what happened to kemi Adeosun she was below 30 years when she graduated from the UK University

So the certificate she submitted for minister position nailed her.
She was carrying exemption certificate which wasn't supposed to be because she graduated before 30 years


Kenny didn't do anything wrong as long as he had no public position then

It's the minister that the court will interpret her case to know whether you will be serving and hold position in government at same time
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by greggng: 1:29pm On Jan 29
festacman:
In as much as Keke Ogungbe, after studying in US, started off self-employed as co-owners of highly successful Kennies Music label, he could have smartly used the period he worked for his brother-in-law Raymond Dokpesi's DAAR Communications as an opportunity to tie up his NYSC loose ends.

He was a bit short-sighted there given how smart he is. May be he never anticipated he will one day got involved in politics.

In any case, I doubt if he committed any offense by still undergoing NYSC because he was within the age limit at the time he graduated.





The nba is just wasting there time . If you graduate b4 the age of 30...you are entitled to serve ...such people cannot go for exception letter ...so Kenny took advantage of it ...Let them go and amend the nysc law
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by Wallade(m): 1:36pm On Jan 29
djon78:



You are wrong

I personally went to NYSC headquarters in Abuja to get clarification whether I should serve or exempt after returning to Nigeria

The officials checked my certificate and told me that if the date my certificate was issued I was even one day to my 30th birthday

I must serve

So the issue of courts interpreting anything is far fetched

That's what happened to kemi Adeosun she was below 30 years when she graduated from the UK University

So the certificate she submitted for minister position nailed her.
She was carrying exemption certificate which wasn't supposed to be because she graduated before 30 years


Kenny didn't do anything wrong as long as he had no public position then

It's the minister that the court will interpret her case to know whether you will be serving and hold position in government at same time

The courts interpretes NYSC act, supersedes NYSC office and staff and your opinion.

The issue with Kemi Adeosun is simply that the exemption certificate given to her was forged.

Let me ask a question about this - "personally went to NYSC headquarters in Abuja to get clarification whether I should serve or exempt after returning to Nigeria" : who filed your documents with NYSC? Was it you or your Alma mater?
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by djon78(m): 1:54pm On Jan 29
Wallade:


The courts interpretes NYSC act, supersedes NYSC office and staff and your opinion.

The issue with Kemi Adeosun is simply that the exemption certificate given to her was forged.

Let me ask a question about this - "personally went to NYSC headquarters in Abuja to get clarification whether I should serve or exempt after returning to Nigeria" : who filed your documents with NYSC? Was it you or your Alma mater?


I later did it online
Via NYSC portal

It clarified me
My transcript that came with my certificate
My certificate
My o levels everything was certified via there portal

Of which I later got my original NYSC certificate


I believe you are even talking on mere presumption

Something you don't even have a clue about

Kemi Adeosun was nailed because she was meant to have served as her year of graduation was below 30 years

The exemption she was carrying whether fake or real couldn't save her because she defaulted by age of graduation which nailed her


So you don't have a clue of what you are talking about one bit


All my credentials are authentic

I can hold any government position without batting any eyelid because I am as clean as a bat


The reason why many people get into trouble is typically like most average Nigerians
they don't want to do the right thing the right
So they cut corners


Every of my academic documents from primary to post tertiary followed the right due process

I ensure everything is straight forward so nobody will come and talk rubbish tomorrow around me
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by babyfaceafrica: 2:30pm On Jan 29
festacman:
In as much as Keke Ogungbe, after studying in US, started off self-employed as co-owners of highly successful Kennies Music label, he could have smartly used the period he worked for his brother-in-law Raymond Dokpesi's DAAR Communications as an opportunity to tie up his NYSC loose ends.

He was a bit short-sighted there given how smart he is. May be he never anticipated he will one day got involved in politics.

In any case, I doubt if he committed any offense by still undergoing NYSC because he was within the age limit at the time he graduated.




This is correct!! As long as he was 30 and below when he graduated, there is no problem.
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by babyfaceafrica: 2:31pm On Jan 29
Hedonisco:


Is this a new policy? Since when? [b]Because for a long time, including during my own service year, I used to see old corpers who are clearly over 40 in camp[/b]q. The explanation has always been that they graduated years ago but only just got mobilised to serve.

Very true!! Old men served during my Nysc year too.
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by babyfaceafrica: 2:32pm On Jan 29
Wallade:


If you see older persons serving during NYSC, it means they falsified their ages or NYSC decided to compromise on the requirements of the act that established NYSC

Nobody falsified any age.
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by babyfaceafrica: 2:33pm On Jan 29
yemex04:


God bless You. I don't even know what people are saying. Was he 30 and below when he graduated? If yes, there is no case










He is right & you are wrong. NYSC reckons with Age at Graduation for mobilization. If you were below 30 at Graduation, you will be mobilized for NYSC even 30 years after..Infact, you are not suppose to get employed with your degree certificate till you acquire the NYSC certificate. NYSC is compulsory for every Nigerian that graduated before the Age of 30!
Re: NBA Sues Kenny Ogungbe, Hannatu Musawa, Culture Minister Over NYSC Certificate by babyfaceafrica: 2:37pm On Jan 29
Slimlord:


If you graduated before 30, even after 20 years, you'll serve

Simple and short!!

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