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Wallade:
You be judge? If court says otherwise to your opinion, abeg go carry placard for protest and question the court.

You are welcome to the file at the court to be joined as a party in the case in court.

Run and make it ASAP.

LOL

Nigerians no go just gree for anybody even when wrong!

try read nysc has act that's established it go and read ok

djon78:
I later did it online
Via NYSC portal

It clarified me
My transcript that came with my certificate
My certificate
My o levels everything was certified via there portal

Of which I later got my original NYSC certificate


I believe you are even talking on mere presumption

Something you don't even have a clue about

Kemi Adeosun was nailed because she was meant to have served as her year of graduation was below 30 years

The exemption she was carrying whether fake or real couldn't save her because she defaulted by age of graduation which nailed her


So you don't have a clue of what you are talking about one bit


All my credentials are authentic

I can hold any government position without batting any eyelid because I am as clean as a bat


The reason why many people get into trouble is typically like most average Nigerians
they don't want to do the right thing the right
So they cut corners


Every of my academic documents from primary to post tertiary followed the right due process

I ensure everything is straight forward so nobody will come and talk rubbish tomorrow around me

Noted

babyfaceafrica:
Nobody falsified any age.

Hmmm

2mercy:
https://punchng.com/nba-sues-kenny-ogungbe-culture-minister-over-nysc-certificate/?amp

the question is, who mobilized them in the first place? Is it NYSC of Seun Osewa?

They should admit their mistake and let them be.

Wallade:
Can you prove that "NYSC reckons with Age at Graduation for mobilization and you will be mobilized for NYSC even 30 years after graduation" by referencing and quoting the NYSC act, not what you think?

NYSC issues service certificates to participants and NYSC also issues exemption certificates to those who are above 30 years old.

You only need the NYSC certificate or NYSC exemption certificate or letter to get a job with both public and private organizations in Nigeria and to get government appointments.

Open up your mind and learn, stop talking thrash on public media space.

Why are some of you so bold even when wrong? And dem dey correct you, you still dey show your ignorance gleefully. Na wa o.

It's pointless getting into an argument with your likes.

Wallade:
Did the law tell you what happens with people who were below 30years old when they graduated but we're not filed to serve with NYSC for whatever reason and later turn up after they are above 30 years for service.

The question you should ask is: who files your application for service with NYSC? Is it yourself or your Alma Mater or higher institution?

However, this is not an argument worth my while because the matter is in court. You will do well to tell that to the court.

You can apply to be joined as an interested party in the case.

Thanks for your opinion, it is noted.

Mobilization are in various stages, it's both internal or external mobilizations. The internal is done by the school with your consent (because you need to submit you statements of result, age declaration or certificate, Jamb admissions letter/ regularization as the case maybe) then the institutions will send your name to NYSC to checked of you're qualified for scheme or exempted using your date of birth and date graduation as a yardstick. It is at your external mobilizations where you will be notified either you're qualified for the scheme or not. If you ever served, you will see people of 40 to 50 years serving, do you think all them forged their ages?

Jackiedemie:
Mobilization are in various stages, it's both internal or external mobilizations. The internal is done by the school with your consent (because you need to submit you statements of result, age declaration or certificate, Jamb admissions letter/ regularization as the case maybe) then the institutions will send your name to NYSC to checked of you're qualified for scheme or exempted using your date of birth and date graduation as a yardstick. It is at your external mobilizations where you will be notified either you're qualified for the scheme or not. If you ever served, you will see people of 40 to 50 years serving, do you think all them forged their ages?

I asked about filing for National Youth Service not mobilization.

However, thanks for you input. Let's follow the case in court and see the outcome.

Wallade:
Where there is a lacuna or vague information in the law, the courts interpret the law and give explicit position on it to prevent misinterpretation.

This matter is already in court so wait for the outcome. You are not a judge and you position is simply your own interpretation of the NYSC act.

The position of the court supersedes all other positions, though you can appeal it to the highest (supreme) court in Nigeria.

Just follow the event in court as it unfolds.

There is no Lacuna anywhere, the law is clear on it

**The NBA Should Be Ashamed Of Its Lawsuit Against Kenny Ogungbe Over His NYSC Certificate**

As Founder of Naija Lives Matter NGO, and a member of the Nigerian Bar since 1986 (though I now practice mostly in the USA since 1997), I must publicly express my outrage and disappointment at the irresponsible actions of the Nigerian Bar Association in suing Chief Kenny Ogungbe, one of the most accomplished entertainment moguls our nation has ever seen, for his commendable and VOLUNTARY action of going back to do his NYSC (National Youth Service Corps for college graduates in Nigeria), over 30 years after returning from the United Kingdom. If they wanted to go after the Minister, why victimize Kenny Ogungbe who just did his patriotic duty, even if it’s 30 years after the fact, without being compelled by anyone to do it? Why is the NBA not happy focusing on the minister and the government ?

In a nation with a myriad of problems, including serious issues in the judiciary as publicly identified by top legal luminaries in the profession like Femi Falana SAN, Olisa Agbakoba SAN, and Olanipekun SAN, which include corruption in the judiciary and lack of good welfare for our judges and magistrates, it is most disappointing that the NBA could not find a more worthy suit to file other than against a business mogul to invalidate an NYSC certificate he spent 12 months earning, when he had absolutely no compulsion to do it but for the love of country.

It is most shocking that rather than commending Chief Kenny Ogungbe for his laudable example, even if they have issues with the powers of the minister to issue a certificate, our totally underwhelming and irresponsible NBA decided that their time, as representatives of ALL lawyers in Nigeria and the legal profession, is better served by suing Kenny Ogungbe along with the Minister for obtaining NYSC certificates after giving one year of practically FREE service to the nation.

Nigeria has been a very strange place in the last few years, but we are fast getting to ridiculous levels when we can no longer count on a body like the NBA to tackle very serious and weighty issues in our nation.

So, instead of pioneering creative and aggressive efforts to clean up our very tarnished judicial system, our NBA of Lawyers chose to entertain us by seeking the court to punish entertainment executives Kenny Ogungbe for his selfless national service, even if it’s 30 years belated, when this eminent personality could have just moved on? The underwhelming hubris and levity of this NBA is fast becoming legendary.

To be clear, if the NBA wants to petition for the minister to be removed for not having done youth service before becoming minister or for incompetence on this issue and other issues, then let them pursue that and leave the innocent executive alone. Adding Kenny Ogungbe to the lawsuit is just entertainment and unnecessary theater that is unbecoming of a supposedly serious organization as the NBA.

Now these gentleman will need to go pay lawyers to defend him since is a serious business man who is not likely to just ignore the NBA’s childish tantrums since it’s now a matter in court. What a shame and a waste of their time and resources.

The NBA should have considered and realized that taking a personality like Kenny Ogungbe to court over an issue that should really be between them and the govt is just giving him free publicity and making him more popular when the NBA has more urgent and consequential things to spend its resources on.

The NBA used to be a source of pride to all of us lawyers when serious personalities like Akeredolu SAN, Olisa Agbakoba SAN, Alao Aka-Bashorun SAN were in the lead, focusing on relevant and impactful agitation for law and justice in Nigeria. I simply do not recognize the NBA I knew in my observation of these current bunch of unserious people

It’s not like there are no serious issues demanding their attention as an organization of Lawyers. After all, how come this lackluster NBA leadership did not sue the government for allowing ministers like Beta Edu to pay government money into their accounts as we all saw with her and several ministers recently, and with proof that this has even been going on before Tinubu came into power? How come they have not sued the government to remove the embattled looting minister of humanitarian affairs?

How come the NBA did not sue the Chairman of INEC for changing the electoral goal posts about using bvas for elections after it publicly announced and reassured Nigerians it would . They kept mum, and played deaf and dumb when the nation was almost going up in flames over the disappointing actions of INEC when their voice should have been the loudest. Yet, it’s NYSC certificate issuance that has now got them excited l? What a shame .

Another worthy example of a suit they could have filed: How come they are not suing the President for unilaterally moving some government departments back to Lagos when there is a federal law mandating all ministries to be in Abuja? (FYI: I SUPPORT the executive move by President Bola Tinubu because it made sense in context, but it is still a challengeable executive order and the NBA should get the court to test the legality of those executive orders as part of their function to prevent any arm of government from overreaching. While the thinking behind the orders may be good, I personally think the president should have gone to the representatives of the people (NASS) to pass an enabling law allowing him to do it since there is an existing law for all federal government agencies to be in Abuja. If this executive overreach is not challenged now, who knows what the government will do tomorrow, and that action may not be beneficial.)

I have long been on record as saying that the primary cause of our present predicament in Nigeria is the LACK OF RESPECT FOR THE RULE OF LAW and Accountability in our leaders and institutions, including one like the NBA. This singular reason is why corruption thrived in our nation. We should be a nation of laws, and the NBA

is supposed to be our champion in the meaningful pursuit of that, not in this public pandering brand of going after mundane things like the NYSC certificate given to a man who actually rendered the service.

Seriously, did these unthinking NBA executives even ask themselves: How exactly would the nation benefit if the NYSC cancels Kenny Ogungbe’s certificate? It’s a FREE one-year national service, during which participants are given allowances that are less than $30 a month for 12 months to provide free labor to the government and companies participating in it. So, is discouraging people from providing that much-needed service helping our nation or going to hurt it? Seriously.

I am personally embarrassed that with all the mess going on in our nation, the NBA cannot find something or someone to sue other than business executives who CHOSE to go back and serve their nation without being paid any significant amount of money for doing so. It’s not every war a serious organization fights, even if the minister was wrong to have issued a certificate in the first place (I make no comment on the legal issues themselves because it’s irrelevant to this piece). If they want to go after the minister then they should go do it but leave innocent executive ls alone

Yes, the NBA’s action is not being serious here and I am glad the courts have now opened the door for another serious association of lawyers to emerge. This current NBA executive is just a disappointment all around. The quality of lawyers has consistently dipped over the years on its watch; the judiciary is in decline under its watch; and it is riddled with corruption, including allegations of rigging elections. So maybe those demanding an alternative association do have justification for not wanting to be part of this decrepit association. I know if I were still practicing in Nigeria, I would not want to be associated with it if I had a choice.

I call on all current NBA executives to resign and give room for serious-minded executives who are ready to tackle the weighty issues facing the nation and the legal profession.

My name is Ope Banwo, and I speak as the Founder/Chairman of Naija Lives Matter NGO and as a member of the NBA.

Wallade:
Did the law tell you what happens with people who were below 30years old when they graduated but we're not filed to serve with NYSC for whatever reason and later turn up after they are above 30 years for service.

The question you should ask is: who files your application for service with NYSC? Is it yourself or your Alma Mater or higher institution?

However, this is not an argument worth my while because the matter is in court. You will do well to tell that to the court.

You can apply to be joined as an interested party in the case.

Thanks for your opinion, it is noted.

Did you participate in NYSC? If you did ,what year?
who files your application for service with NYSC? Okay, your School through the office of Dean, Students Affairs upload the names of all graduated Students called "Senate Lists" to the NYSC Portal..Graduates fresh or old who are ready for NYSC will also go to the NYSC Portal armed with their Matric Nos to register for Mobilization..a very important Column in that Mobilization registration online form is "Year of graduation",recall that your Institution had already uploaded your details to the Portal including your Jamb Registration no which has a Date of Birth & year of graduation..Their System calculates your Date of Birth & Year of Graduation before you can be mobilized..Those whose ages are more than 30 after inputting their Year of Graduation will automatically be told to collect their certificate of Excemption in their Schools..I know these because I registered for Mobilization myself..the key word is D.O.G.

yemex04:
Did you participate in NYSC? If you did ,what year?
who files your application for service with NYSC? Okay, your School through the office of Dean, Students Affairs upload the names of all graduated Students called "Senate Lists" to the NYSC Portal..Graduates fresh or old who are ready for NYSC will also to the NYSC armed with their Matric Nos to register for Mobilization..a very important Column in that Mobilization registration online form is "Year of graduation",recall that your Insistution had already uploaded your details to th[b][/b]e Portal including your Jamb Registration no which has a Date of Birth & year of graduation..Their System calculates your Date of Birth & Year of Graduation before you can be mobilized..Those whose ages have are more than 30 after inputting their Year of Graduation will automatically be told to collect their certificate of Excemption in their Schools..I know these because I registered for Mobilization myself..the key word is D.O.G.

Investigator, read through my comments on this post.

I indicated that I got an exemption through my Alma Mater via the process you have just enumerated. You have no business with my year of exemption.

I have worked with these documents in several private organizations, even till date.

You can register for mobilization but the question was: who filed your documents with NYSC? You just answered the simple question - "Okay, your School through the office of Dean, Students Affairs upload the names of all graduated Students called "Senate Lists" to the NYSC Portal"

Your additional information is noted anyway.

Do you even know why the filing has to be done by your higher institution or Alma Mater?

[quote author=Wallade post=128185910]Investigator, read through my comments on this post. Smiles

I indicated that I got an exemption through my Alma Mater via the process you have just enumerated. You have no business with my year of exemption.


Okay..


You were issued with exemption certificate because your school senate approved your graduation when you have already passed the age 30,simply said,you graduated when you had passed the age of 30 hence your excemption!


I have worked with these documents in several private organizations, even till date.[/b]



Normal,NYSC certificate of National Service & Certificate of Excemption carry equal weight.Some who graduated before 30 & opted to make themselves available for service after 30 are doing so because they would never be issued a Certificate of excemption if their record shows they graduated before the age of 30 otherwise most of such people would preferred to get the cert. of excemption.









You can register for mobilization, but the question was: who filed your documents with NYSC? You just answered the simple question - "Okay, your School through the office of Dean, Students Affairs upload the names of all graduated Students called "Senate Lists" to the NYSC Portal"

Your additional information is noted anyway.

Do you even know why the filing has to be done by your higher institution or Alma Mater? Tell me, I want to know

[quote author=yemex04 post=128186526][/quote]Follow the court case instituted by the lawyers. Hopefully, it will not take so long to decide the case.

We will all have a better understanding upon hearing the judgement.

Stay safe.

NBA dey waste their time. i understand musawa but for ogungbe. i no see problem:

The plaintiffs alleged that the mobilisation of Musawa and Ogungbe for the mandatory one-year national youth service after exceeding 30 years of age was unlawful, illegal, and an affront to patriotism.

festacman:
In as much as Keke Ogungbe, after studying in US, started off self-employed as co-owners of highly successful Kennies Music label, he could have smartly used the period he worked for his brother-in-law Raymond Dokpesi's DAAR Communications as an opportunity to tie up his NYSC loose ends.

He was a bit short-sighted there given how smart he is. May be he never anticipated he will one day got involved in politics.

In any case, I doubt if he committed any offense by still undergoing NYSC because he was within the age limit at the time he graduated.

Wallade:
Who files your document with NYSC? Is it yourself or your tertiary institution?

So if you agree that the person to file is your Alma mater, why would the school not file within a period of 1year upon your graduation when you were less than 30years old?

Why would your school file your documents with NYSC several years after you and your mates graduated? Didn't your Alma mater file your documents with NYSC when you actually graduated?

If they did and for some reasons you didn't go for service, what happened to the previous filing? Can someone be filed for NYSC service twice?

There is a lot of issues with your position if you must argue in favor of it.

You have a lot of questions to answer to defend your argument above.

Don't worry, the matter is in court already so let us wait for the outcome.

Nothing concerns NYSC with the year your school decides to mobilize you. They're only interested in the age you filled in your JAMB and date of graduation. Check the age you filled for JAMB and the exact date of your graduation (for my Alma mater, graduation date is always written on the certificate) and judge it yourself.
Some schools that have backlogs of students to mobilize always have the problem of mobilizing some students after one or two years after graduation. They're still qualified to serve based on their graduation date, not the year they were mobilized.
I was mobilized two months after graduation. But I had to differ to travel after the 3 weeks camp.


Foreign trained guys who turned in for NYSC years after graduation are eligible. The key determinant is the age at graduation, not the current age.

BlueRayDick:

Kenny Ogungbe go just be like " which kind wahala be this " ?

If Kenny Ogungbe had not shared his NYSC POP pictures online, nobody would have known he served as a 53 year old graduate o

Exactly wot I told someone when he posted dat pics that this one doesn't like peace

Hedonisco:
Did they graduate before the age of 30? If someone graduated before age 30, it doesn't matter what age he or she later decides to be mobilised for NYSC. One can only be eligible for exemption if they GRADUATE after age 30. That's what the NYSC rules say.

Correct 💯

femi4:
Wrong

Once you're above the age limit, you can't serve.

May be you don't understand what it means to serve.

The service start from the below:

You mean you will allow a 65yrs old man to through the rigorous 3weeks drilling with the soldiers in camp. That's the reason they put age limit there

Long as you graduate before age 30, man you will serve. Go and check the rules again