AskiaHarem:

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There is this street food in South Africa call Smiley, it is a full goat head that is cooked whole, so each time you see those three emojis know that the person behind it is an ewu Gambia

NabiAsli:
There is this street food in South Africa call Smiley, it is a full goat head that is cooked whole, so each time you see those three emojis know that the person behind it is an ewu Gambia

And it's a sheep's head, not goat, you bottom feeder!

Exnavyboy62:


So because they don’t talk about conflicts in Africa that means we should just waive off the genocide they are passing through. Bro NO!!! Evil only exists when good men do nothing. What you just said is an equivalent to, “Africa did not talk about conflict in the Baltic region, so countries in the Baltic region should not be concerned with terrorism in Africa even if they can lend a helping hand in one way or the other”. Moreover it’s not like all of Africa has done anything significant in regards to the Israeli-Palestinian issue. Only South Africa summoned the courage to press charges against Israel at the ICJ and Palestinians are grateful for that. Meanwhile we have countries like Cameroon voting against ceasefire resolutions, a lawyer from Uganda picking the side of the genocide perpetrators (fortunately, the Ugandan government denied her representing the nation), Morocco forging stronger ties with Israel, Senegal banning solidarity protests on the streets. Meanwhile our President in Aso Rock is still waiting for fire alarm before he sends the Israeli ambassador to Nigeria to where he came from.

That's the issue,
"So because they don’t talk about conflicts in Africa that means we should just waive off the genocide they are passing through."
If they never shown any support/concerns 4 Africa whenever it is going through tough times, who re we to show any concern 4 them also.
Let everyone paddle his canoe, am very sure u re only showing this solidarity due to religion affiliation nd may that not be the end of Nigeria.
This over obsession with religion have always been a weak point of this nation.
This can be catastrophic for this continent in the future if we don't retrace our steps, imagine an African supporting a foreigner to his African brother jst because they both share thesame religion on the world stage where everyone is supporting their kind.

Me, i won't support no Arab struggle not until my fellow Africans can be treated equally by this sand ni**ers in their own region.
If these guys can't treat north Africans equally dispite the closeness nd shared history nd religion, is it the subsaharan Abid that will be treated fairly.
Look, am very aware of our history, Arabs re equally bad as the Jews themselves.
So, I have no support to give to either of the side, let them thug it out.
I have no pity for anyone, as long as they both don't pity for our people.

Lurker4Long:


And it's a sheep's head, not goat, you bottom feeder!

Thank God you know who you are..

Lurker4Long:

You can disagree all you want, doesn't change the fact of what the Palestinians and those of us in solidarity with their Struggle, understand what we mean by that slogan.
Some of us still remember how in SA, "One man, one vote", was falsely twisted by the Apartheid regime and its supporters, as a call for the eradication of white South Africans and the imposition of a racial dictatorship.
Occupiers everywhere, have always sought to demonise the resistance of the occupied.

What you don't get is that I'm completely objective towards the Israel/Palestine situation.....so that "fact" isn't really a fact, its a view point from someone who has a biased view of the situation.

"One man. one vote" is a very simple phrase that most normal humans can understand as a call for democracy in said country, When you say "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" what exactly happens to Israel?? does it cease to exist? are you changing its name?

NabiAsli:
Thank God you know who you are..

4 monikers later and that's still the best you can do? Your last 404 must have been rabid.

jl115:

"One man. one vote" is a very simple phrase that most normal humans can understand as a call for democracy in said country, When you say "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" what exactly happens to Israel?? does it cease to exist? are you changing its name?

1) Exactly my point, a simple phrase being twisted by opponents into something threatening; and
2) I've told you what decent level-headed people mean with reference to Palestine. What is so difficult to grasp about one democratic state with equal rights for all? Whether one calls it Israel/Palestine or whatever, the historic geographical area of Palestine -without special status for ethno-religious considerations.

Now, there's an argument to be had whether that ideal is likely, with the preponderance of zealots and extremists on both sides. But that's not the argument you're offering, seemingly only stuck on the smears and twisting of phrases from one side.

Lurker4Long:

1) Exactly my point, a simple phrase being twisted by opponents into something threatening; and
2) I've told you what decent level-headed people mean with reference to Palestine. What is so difficult to grasp about one democratic state with equal rights for all? Whether one calls it Israel/Palestine or whatever, the historic geographical area of Palestine -without special status for ethno-religious considerations.

Now, there's an argument to be had whether that ideal is likely, with the preponderance of zealots and extremists on both sides. But that's not the argument you're offering, seemingly only stuck on the smears and twisting of phrases from one side.

I can grasp it, and that was never something I was against so don't shift the goal posts, my point is this: why not say "From the river to the sea, Israel will be free" since there is no country called Palestine with the borders you are referring to? Do you not see how this can be threatening to the average Israelite?

Also what is wrong with having self governing Palestinian states and self Governing Jewish states?

Lurker4Long:

4 monikers later and that's still the best you can do? You last 404 must have been rabid.

Keep studying me SMILEY

Lurker4Long:

4 monikers later and that's still the best you can do? Your last 404 must have been rabid.

You should have ignored him. Stop making insecure people feel important.

jl115:
What you don't get is that I'm completely objective towards the Israel/Palestine situation.....so that "fact" isn't really a fact, its a view point from someone who has a biased view of the situation.

"One man. one vote" is a very simple phrase that most normal humans can understand as a call for democracy in said country, When you say "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" what exactly happens to Israel?? does it cease to exist? are you changing its name?

The state of Israel can still exist. There has always been a call for a two state solution but guess who sabotages that…??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LjKYLPTQ8w?si=iq6-g9UqzZ_PVWjH


Meanwhile another good solution is peaceful coexistence. The same way British Immigrants returned ownership of the land to the black native South Africans and allowed them to enjoy their fundamental rights that was once violated, while the Black Native South Africans happily let the British immigrants stay and live with them peacefully till date. Guess who is not interested in peaceful coexistence


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNqozQ8uaV8?si=JDcm-4VeZ1cLeRb2

https://youtube.com/shorts/qRmosNsLgPE?si=Sd86-GjWJe0Qxdg3

https://youtube.com/shorts/JOf_woeTH1s?si=ZOh6vkDHV2s34tZ9

QuietMynd:

That's the issue,
"So because they don’t talk about conflicts in Africa that means we should just waive off the genocide they are passing through."
If they never shown any support/concerns 4 Africa whenever it is going through tough times, who re we to show any concern 4 them also.
Let everyone paddle his canoe, am very sure u re only showing this solidarity due to religion affiliation nd may that not be the end of Nigeria.
This over obsession with religion have always been a weak point of this nation.
This can be catastrophic for this continent in the future if we don't retrace our steps, imagine an African supporting a foreigner to his African brother jst because they both share thesame religion on the world stage where everyone is supporting their kind.

Me, i won't support no Arab struggle not until my fellow Africans can be treated equally by this sand ni**ers in their own region.
If these guys can't treat north Africans equally dispite the closeness nd shared history nd religion, is it the subsaharan Abid that will be treated fairly.
Look, am very aware of our history, Arabs re equally bad as the Jews themselves.
So, I have no support to give to either of the side, let them thug it out.
I have no pity for anyone, as long as they both don't pity for our people.

Why does everything concerning the Middle East have to be associated with religion…?? Germany’s genocide in Namibia was never blamed on religion. France’s genocide in Algeria was never blamed on religion, Republic of Srpska’s genocide in Bosnia was never blamed on religion.
And fyi, I have been aware of the Palestinian’s plight since 2021. So I did not just wake up on October 7 to hear a breaking news and decided to side with those whose belief is same as mine, unlike some clueless people who did and claim; “Israelis are the chosen people of God”. “Everything they do is righteous”. “God said he will curse those who curse Israel” bla bla bla, yen yen yen.
And as a matter of fact, Muslims are not the only ones showing solidarity with Palestinians, I’m sure you know that.

Exnavyboy62:


The state of Israel can still exist. There has always been a call for a two state solution but guess who sabotages that…??

Palestinians too don't want two-state policy

Exnavyboy62:


The same way British Immigrants returned ownership of the land to the black native South Africans and allowed them to enjoy their fundamental rights that was once violated, while the Black Native South Africans happily let the British immigrants stay and live with them peacefully till date.

Correction:
1) white South Africans are not British immigrants, and they did not allow anybody any rights; black South Africans, and a few white South Africans, fought for equal rights;
2) black South Africans did not "let" white South Africans stay as some favour; the oldest liberation movement in Africa has always said, "South Africa belongs to all who live in it, black and white".
3) black Saffers who had their land forcibly taken could go through the restitution process and their claims could be settled through the govt buying back their land from current owners and giving it back. A lot of people opted for cash.

People in other parts of Africa, because of their recent history of colonization, forget that white South Africans have been here since 1652, and their position is exactly the same as other Europeans who went to settle in the US, Canada, South America, Australia.

Lurker4Long:

Correction:
1) white South Africans are not British immigrants, and they did not allow anybody any rights; black South Africans, and a few white South Africans, fought for equal rights;
2) black South Africans did not "let" white South Africans stay as some favour; the oldest liberation movement in Africa has always said, "South Africa belongs to all who live in it, black and white".
3) black Saffers who had their land forcibly taken could go through the restitution process and their claims could be settled through the govt buying back their land from current owners and giving it back. A lot of people opted for cash.

[b][/b]People in other parts of Africa, because of their recent history of colonization, forget that white South Africans have been here since 1652, and their position is exactly the same as other Europeans who went to settle in the US, Canada, South America, Australia.

Those who leave their home country to settle in a foreign country are called….. Immigrants

Those who came to South Africa as Christian missionaries or military troops of the Royal Crown or English teachers or whatsoever they were, as far back as 1652 and later settled down there till date were the…….. British

British + Immigrants = British Immigrants
You are welcome

Bacteria8:


Palestinians too don't want two-state policy

Yes, there is no denying that. And one can’t almost blame them. These people welcomed the Israelis as refugees, and what did they get in return…?? 75 years(if not 76) of oppression and humiliation and forced eviction from their homes.
And if you ever knew the true of a Zionist(which I pray not for you to know) , you wouldn’t want one as a neigbour.

If I take my time to send you links of YouTube videos that shows their true colour, even you sef you will be tired.

Lurker4Long:

Correction:
1) white South Africans are not British immigrants, and they did not allow anybody any rights; black South Africans, and a few white South Africans, fought for equal rights;
2) black South Africans did not "let" white South Africans stay as some favour; the oldest liberation movement in Africa has always said, "South Africa belongs to all who live in it, black and white".
3) black Saffers who had their land forcibly taken could go through the restitution process and their claims could be settled through the govt buying back their land from current owners and giving it back. A lot of people opted for cash.

People in other parts of Africa, because of their recent history of colonization, forget that white South Africans have been here since 1652, and their position is exactly the same as other Europeans who went to settle in the US, Canada, South America, Australia.

The only thing that baffles me about South Africa is that Whites in your country are just 20% and yet they own 80% of the land... You haven't solved that finish but you want to solve injustice in far away Palestine.

What's that...??

Exnavyboy62:


Those who leave their home country to settle in a foreign country are called….. Immigrants

Those who came to South Africa as Christian missionaries or military troops of the Royal Crown or English teachers or whatsoever they were, as far back as 1652 and later settled down there till date were the…….. British

British + Immigrants = British Immigrants
You are welcome

Lurker4Long:

Correction:
1) white South Africans are not British immigrants, and they did not allow anybody any rights; black South Africans, and a few white South Africans, fought for equal rights;
2) black South Africans did not "let" white South Africans stay as some favour; the oldest liberation movement in Africa has always said, "South Africa belongs to all who live in it, black and white".
3) black Saffers who had their land forcibly taken could go through the restitution process and their claims could be settled through the govt buying back their land from current owners and giving it back. A lot of people opted for cash.

People in other parts of Africa, because of their recent history of colonization, forget that white South Africans have been here since 1652, and their position is exactly the same as other Europeans who went to settle in the US, Canada, South America, Australia.

Seconded!

Exnavyboy62:


Those who leave their home country to settle in a foreign country are called….. Immigrants

Those who came to South Africa as Christian missionaries or military troops of the Royal Crown or English teachers or whatsoever they were, as far back as 1652 and later settled down there till date were the…….. British

British + Immigrants = British Immigrants
You are welcome

Bru, google is your friend! go read up on SAn history

Bacteria8:


The only thing that baffles me about South Africa is that Whites in your country are just 20% and yet they own 80% of the land... You haven't solved that finish but you want to solve injustice in far away Palestine.

What's that...??

Very false!!

jl115:
Very false!!

That's according to Julius Malema one of your MP... But you here unknown Nairaland monicker knows better ?

Even one of the White MPs was threatening civil war when EFF was talking about land redistribution.

Bacteria8:


That's according to Julius Malema one of your MP... But you here unknown Nairaland monicker knows better ?

Even one of the White MPs was threatening civil war when EFF was talking about land redistribution.

Malema is a politician, not a land demographics expert and that assertion is very wrong since the actual % of total land owned by Whites in South Africa is only 22% and just over 53% of Agricultural land according to AgriSA

jl115:
Malema is a politician, not a land demographics expert and that assertion is very wrong since the actual % of total land owned by Whites in South Africa is only 22% and just over 53% of Agricultural land according to AgriSA

You're right sir. Politicians have a way of bloating things out.

However, by your own admission here now sir, White minorities in SA have 53% of the arable lands...while the Black majorities who actually own the land before the White settlers arrive have 47% or less. This is still an injustice sir

In Nigeria we say: " Remove the log in your eyes before talking about the log in another person's eyes"... If South Africa is yet to fight its own land grabbing injustice...what the fvck are y'all doing here fighting for Palestine ??

Bacteria8:


You're right sir. Politicians have a way of bloating things out.

However, by your own admission here now sir, White minorities in SA have 53% of the arable lands...while the Black majorities who actually own the land before the White settlers arrive have 47% or less. This is still an injustice sir

In Nigeria we say: " Remove the log in your eyes before talking about the log in another person's eyes"... If South Africa is yet to fight its own land grabbing injustice...what the fvck are y'all doing here fighting for Palestine ??

The worst thing anyone can do is look at these figures at face value without understanding the context behind them....like for example Afrikaners are more inclined to pursue a career in commercial agriculture than any other ethnic group and by some distance, this is proven by the amount of Afrikaners studying agriculture vs other ethnic groups, thus if their are more commercial white farmers vs black farmers than obviously they will own more land.

secondly land is not an issue for South Africans, all it is, is a political scape goat, several polls were run across the last decade and all of them show that less than 2% of South Africans actually feel that land is a pressing issue. Jobs, Crime, Poverty, Infrastructure, Education ect ect all ranked much higher

jl115:
The worst thing anyone can do is look at these figures at face value without understanding the context behind them...

I wouldn't bother, if I were you. Faithful007 reminded me of something I'd almost forgotten: not every interaction here is conducted in good faith.

Lurker4Long:

I wouldn't bother, if I were you. Faithful007 reminded me of something I'd almost forgotten: not every interaction here is conducted in good faith.

Lol.
Looking for team members I guess

Not everyone will be egotistic drone head like you who find it hard to learn from others... thinking he knows it all.

jl115:
The worst thing anyone can do is look at these figures at face value without understanding the context behind them....like for example Afrikaners are more inclined to pursue a career in commercial agriculture than any other ethnic group and by some distance, this is proven by the amount of Afrikaners studying agriculture vs other ethnic groups, thus if their are more commercial white farmers vs black farmers than obviously they will own more land.

secondly land is not an issue for South Africans, all it is, is a political scape goat, several polls were run across the last decade and all of them show that less than 2% of South Africans actually feel that land is a pressing issue. Jobs, Crime, Poverty, Infrastructure, Education ect ect all ranked much higher

First sir, Could it be that White minorities are busy majoring in Agriculture simply because they already have the land ??

Cause and effect chief.

Secondly sir, is there issue of poverty, crime, unemployment as you have stated, yes. But also there's issue of land redistribution. That's a fact.

Apples 🍎 and Oranges 🍊 ... they're not mutually exclusive.

The White MPs I watched that day actually they actually agree with EFF that land should be redistributed...their point of discord however is that there should be compensation of sort to the White land owners to which the EFF disagreed.

For this issue to have degenerated into such level of a raucous session in your National Parliament, I believe it is an extant National Question in your country.

So your frantic attempt to delude me here won't be successful sir.

By the way, I'm not saying this to diss South Africa. Every country have its own National Question.

For example, why would Nigeria be talking about insecurity in Niger republic when we have such humongous level of insecurity back home.

I hope you get my line of thought sir. Cheers.

Bacteria8:


1. First sir, Could it be that White minorities are busy majoring in Agriculture simply because they already have the land ??

Cause and effect chief.

2. Secondly sir, is there issue of poverty, crime, unemployment as you have stated, yes. But also there's issue of land redistribution. That's a fact.

Apples 🍎 and Oranges 🍊 ... they're not mutually exclusive.

3. The White MPs I watched that day actually they actually agree with EFF that land should be redistributed...their point of discord however is that there should be compensation of sort to the White land owners to which the EFF disagreed.

For this issue to have degenerated into such level of a raucous session in your National Parliament, I believe it is an extant National Question in your country.

So your frantic attempt to delude me here won't be successful sir.

By the way, I'm not saying this to diss South Africa. Every country have its own National Question.

For example, why would Nigeria be talking about insecurity in Niger republic when we have such humongous level of insecurity back home.

I hope you get my line of thought sir. Cheers.

1. Nope since the ratio of Afrikaners studying Agriculture is still much higher than even the % of White owned farm land compared to black owned farm land, in fact the most that study Agriculture are not land owners themselves and neither are there families, there are only 30000 commercial farmers(White and Black) in SA

2. Yes... it's an issue for less than 2% of the population

3. I never said I was against land redistribution I'm against redistribution without compensation , in fact the Government has settled over 80 000 land claims since 94....Did you know that most of these claimants chose financial compensation instead of the actual land? this further proves point nr2

4. My not attempting delude anyone, I'm simply pointing to the facts

Lurker4Long:

I wouldn't bother, if I were you. Faithful007 reminded me of something I'd almost forgotten: not every interaction here is conducted in good faith.

wise words my bru I shall move on