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In Judges 15:14-16

As he approached Lehi, the Philistines came toward him shouting. The Spirit of the Lord came powerfully upon him. The ropes on his arms became like charred flax, and the bindings dropped from his hands. Finding a fresh jawbone of a donkey, he grabbed it and struck down a thousand men.

Then Samson said,

“With a donkey’s jawbone
I have made donkeys of them.
With a donkey’s jawbone
I have killed a thousand men.”

Background
Samson's girlfriend was given to his companion as wife. So he was vexed. He burnt the grains of the Philistines because of this. The Philistines who happens to be the ruling class came to request that Samson be capture and delivered to them from his people. He then allow his people to catch him and deliver him to the Philistine. As he was being delivered, the holy spirit came upon him, he broke loose and killed a thousand of them! Then Samson composed the above poem!

Sirtee15, it can't get more confusing regarding this your Holy Spirit!

Why is it that Samson is always killing whenever the holy Spirit enters him?
Why does the Holy spirit keep entering him if he doesn't want him to kill?

AntiChristian:
In Judges 15:14-16

As he approached Lehi, the Philistines came toward him shouting. The Spirit of the Lord came powerfully upon him. The ropes on his arms became like charred flax, and the bindings dropped from his hands. Finding a fresh jawbone of a donkey, he grabbed it and struck down a thousand men.

Then Samson said,

“With a donkey’s jawbone
I have made donkeys of them.
With a donkey’s jawbone
I have killed a thousand men.”

Background
Samson's girlfriend was given to his companion as wife. So he was vexed. He burnt the grains of the Philistines because of this. The Philistines who happens to be the ruling class came to request that Samson be capture and delivered to them from his people. He then allow his people to catch him and deliver him to the Philistine. As he was being delivered, the holy spirit came upon him, he broke loose and killed a thousand of them! Then Samson composed the above poem!

Sirtee15, it can't get more confusing regarding this your Holy Spirit!

Why is it that Samson is always killing whenever the holy Spirit enters him?
Why does the Holy spirit keep entering him if he doesn't want him to kill?

Which spirit asked Mohammed to wipe out Jews and Christians?

AntiChristian:
In Judges 15:14-16

As he approached Lehi, the Philistines came toward him shouting. The Spirit of the Lord came powerfully upon him. The ropes on his arms became like charred flax, and the bindings dropped from his hands. Finding a fresh jawbone of a donkey, he grabbed it and struck down a thousand men.

Then Samson said,

“With a donkey’s jawbone
I have made donkeys of them.
With a donkey’s jawbone
I have killed a thousand men.”

Background
Samson's girlfriend was given to his companion as wife. So he was vexed. He burnt the grains of the Philistines because of this. The Philistines who happens to be the ruling class came to request that Samson be capture and delivered to them from his people. He then allow his people to catch him and deliver him to the Philistine. As he was being delivered, the holy spirit came upon him, he broke loose and killed a thousand of them! Then Samson composed the above poem!

Sirtee15, it can't get more confusing regarding this your Holy Spirit!

Why is it that Samson is always killing whenever the holy Spirit enters him?
Why does the Holy spirit keep entering him if he doesn't want him to kill?

The same way Muslims go on killing spree when the spirit of Muhammed enters them
No restrain, no caution. Na to dey do anyhow.

MightySparrow:
Which spirit asked Mohammed to wipe out Jews and Christians?

At least make you answer my question first! The Holy Spirit in you no get sense shi shi!

SIRTee15:
The same way Muslims go on killing spree when the spirit of Muhammed enters them
No restrain, no caution. Na to dey do anyhow.

Chai! Holy Spirit gone haywire! We are not talking about Islam here!

Now you agree all your previous theories na lie!
The Truth is Holy Spirit empowered Samson to kill, steal and do almost as he like!

SIRTee15:
The same way Muslims go on killing spree when the spirit of Muhammed enters them
No restrain, no caution. Na to dey do anyhow.

You mean same Holy Spirit wey enter Samson Enter Boko Haram?

Nkita!

AntiChristian:
At least make you answer my question first! The Holy Spirit in you no get sense shi shi!

Which spirit told Mohammed to destroy Jews and Christians?

AntiChristian:
You mean same Holy Spirit wey enter Samson Enter Boko Haram?

Nkita!

Is the spirit of Muhammed now the holy spirit?
So holy spirit is no longer angel Gabriel in islam?

AntiChristian:
■ Why is it that Samson is always killing whenever the holy Spirit enters him?
■ Why does the Holy Spirit keep entering him if he doesn't want him to kill?

According to the story, God of Israel chose to use Samson as His special tool to save the people of Israel from the power of the Philistines at that time.

1. Again the people started doing what the Lord said was wrong. So the Lord allowed the Philistines to rule over them for 40 years.
2 There was a man named Manoah from the city of Zorah. He was from the tribe of Dan. Manoah had a wife, but she was not able to have any children.
3 The angel of the Lord appeared to Manoah’s wife and said, “You have not been able to have children. But you will become pregnant and have a son.
4 Don’t drink any wine or any other strong drink. Don’t eat any food that is unclean,
5 because you are pregnant, and you will have a son. He will be dedicated to God in a special way. He will be a Nazirite. So you must never cut his hair. He will be God’s special person from before he is born. He will save the Israelites from the power of the Philistines.”.. - Judges 13 vs 1 - 8

The Nazarite vow he was committed to, from before he was born, made him a tool to be used for God's purpose so long as he maintained that holy mane on his head.

2. Well, Samson's prayer right before the end is telling of the fact that the intention for the killings, came not from the Spirit inside of him, but from his person.

27 The temple was crowded with men and women. All the Philistine rulers were there. There were about 3000 men and women on the roof of the temple. They were laughing and making fun of Samson.
28 Then Samson said a prayer to the Lord, “Lord God, remember me. God, please give me strength one more time. Let me do this one thing to punish these Philistines for tearing out both of my eyes!”
29 Then Samson took hold of the two columns in the center of the temple that supported the whole temple. He braced himself between the two columns. One column was at his right side and the other at his left side.
30 Samson said, “Let me die with these Philistines!” Then he pushed as hard as he could, and the temple fell on the rulers and everyone in it. In this way Samson killed many more Philistines when he died than when he was alive. - Judges 16 vs 27 - 30

As you can see, Samson asked for strength, not intention or desire to kill, from God. God gave him the strength and once again Samson used it to kill.

AntiChristian:
Chai! Holy Spirit gone haywire! We are not talking about Islam here! Now you agree all your previous theories na lie! The Truth is Holy Spirit empowered Samson to kill, steal and do almost as he like!

Let's not get carried away. The Spirit of the Lord gave Samson strength. Samson used that strength of his to kill. That is what the story makes clear.

Now, if you wish to ask whether the killings themselves were against the Law of Moses, then that is a completely different question and would require examination of each case given that the Law sanctions the killing of Israel's enemies but not murder.

SIRTee15:
Is the spirit of Muhammed now the holy spirit?
So holy spirit is no longer angel Gabriel in islam?

I no kuku mention Muhammad na Christians dey mention am when they are cornered and have nothing else to say just to divert and deflect!

Kobojunkie:
According to the story, God of Israel chose to use Samson as His special tool to save the people of Israel from the power of the Philistines at that time. The Nazarite vow he was committed to, from before he was born, made him a tool to be used for God's purpose so long as he maintained that holy mane on his head.

2. Well, Samson's prayer right before the end is telling of the fact that the intention for the killings, came not from the Spirit inside of him, but from his person.
As you can see, Samson asked for strength, not intention or desire to kill, from God. God gave him the strength and once again Samson used it to kill.

So what's the function of the holy spirit descending on him anytime he wants to fight?
Can we say the holy spirit is attracted by his hair?

Kobojunkie:
Let's not get carried away. The Spirit of the Lord gave Samson strength. Samson used that strength of his to kill. That is what the story makes clear.

Now, if you wish to ask whether the killings themselves were against the Law of Moses, then that is a completely different question and would require examination of each case given that the Law sanctions the killing of Israel's enemies but not murder.

Of course if we were to analyse the killings، they wouldn't be different from Boko haram's if not worse!

Especially the killings of judges 14 and 15.

AntiChristian:
So what's the function of the holy spirit descending on him anytime he wants to fight?
Can we say the holy spirit is attracted by his hair?

Samson sort of answered that question for you there when he asked God again for strength, the same which enabled him to carry out his intentions on previous occasions.

Attracted to his hair in what way? Numbers 6 instead answer the question for you since Samson was a Nazarite and Nazarites were commanded to keep their hair as part of the agreement. Another famous Nazarite in Scripture was John the Baptist. He too kept his hair but he didn't have the superpowers that Samson had. So suggesting the spirit was attracted to the hair makes no sense of any kind.

AntiChristian:
■ Of course if we were to analyse the killings، they wouldn't be different from Boko haram's if not worse! Especially the killings of judges 14 and 15.

They would be very different and that difference is found in the Law of the land in each case. unless of course, you are attempting here to suggest it matters not what the Law says in each case.

Kobojunkie:
They would be very different and that difference is found in the Law of the land in each case. unless of course, you are attempting here to suggest it matters not what the Law says in each case.

You have your law and they claim they have their laws too!

So what's the difference?

Kobojunkie:
Samson sort of answered that question for you there when he asked God again for strength, the same which enabled him to carry out his intentions on previous occasions.

Attracted to his hair in what way? Numbers 6 instead answer the question for you since Samson was a Nazarite and Nazarites were commanded to keep their hair as part of the agreement. Another famous Nazarite in Scripture was John the Baptist. He too kept his hair but he didn't have the superpowers that Samson had. So suggesting the spirit was attracted to the hair makes no sense of any kind.

So in summary you agree the holy spirit granted him the strength to kill the lion, thirty people and a thousand people in Judges 14 and 15 without minding the reason for him killing those he killed?

MightySparrow:
Which spirit told Mohammed to destroy Jews and Christians?

Show us where spirit told Muhammad to do such?

Holy spirit liars!

AntiChristian:
You have your law and they claim they have their laws too!
So what's the difference?

So people go about asserting the Law of their choice or something? Come on!

AntiChristian:
∆ So in summary you agree the holy spirit granted him the strength to kill the lion, thirty people and a thousand people in Judges 14 and 15 without minding the reason for him killing those he killed?

More interestingly, are you able to locate at least one law or statute that Samson broke by those killings?

AntiChristian:
Show us where spirit told Muhammad to do such?

Holy spirit liars!

Read your Quran.

MightySparrow:
Read your Quran.

Holy spirit liar!

Kobojunkie:
More interestingly, are you able to locate at least one law or statute that Samson broke by those killings?

Actually, he didn't break any law since he was controlled by the spirit.

The spirit came on him powerfully!

He killed a Lion without his need for that! That's just animal cruelty and it does not enter "You shall not kill" commandment! He killed it and left it to rot. He later liked honey from its carcass.

He had a bet with his girlfriend's people which he lost. He had to kill 30 people and steal their garments to fulfill the bet. I don't know which law was broken here. But at least, he stole, killed and frolic with dead unclean humans!

Later his Philistine lady was given to his companion. He ended up killing a thousand Philistine!
I don't know if killing is prohibited.

Boko haram believes they are killing the enemies of God! Does that mean the killings are similar?

Kobojunkie:
So people go about asserting the Law of their choice or something? Come on!

Yes! If Boko Haram don't believe in your laws while you don't believe in their laws why will you claim supremacy of yours over theirs in this regard?

AntiChristian:
Holy spirit liar!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byVksc3mhAY?si=WIByN4h0DPFpcXfF

AntiChristian:
Yes! If Boko Haram don't believe in your laws while you don't believe in their laws why will you claim supremacy of yours over theirs in this regard?

So, abiding by the Constitutional Law in a given Nation is optional? It is OK for Boko Haram to maybe enter Saudi Arabia and then decide it will believe in a law different from that of established in the country itself?.

AntiChristian:
■ Actually, he didn't break any law since he was controlled by the spirit. The spirit came on him powerfully! He killed a Lion without his need for that! That's just animal cruelty and it does not enter "You shall not kill" commandment! He killed it and left it to rot. He later liked honey from its carcass.
He had a bet with his girlfriend's people which he lost. He had to kill 30 people and steal their garments to fulfill the bet. I don't know which law was broken here. But at least, he stole, killed and frolic with dead unclean humans!
■ Later his Philistine lady was given to his companion. He ended up killing a thousand Philistine!
I don't know if killing is prohibited. Boko haram believes they are killing the enemies of God! Does that mean the killings are similar?

David was a righteous man at the time he killed Uriah. David had the Spirit of God in him even at that time. Yet the Law condemned David. King Saul also had the spirit of God in Him when he did much of what he die against God. The Spirit of God is not a judge of whether an act is of God or not. Rather, He is a mark placed by God on those whom He uses or chooses.

Again, More interestingly, are you able to locate at least one law or statute that Samson broke by those killings?

Kobojunkie:
David was a righteous man at the time he killed Uriah. David had the Spirit of God in him even at that time. Yet the Law condemned David. King Saul also had the spirit of God in Him when he did much of what he die against God. The Spirit of God is not a judge of whether an act is of God or not. Rather, He is a mark placed by God on those whom He uses or chooses.

Again, More interestingly, are you able to locate at least one law or statute that Samson broke by those killings?

He did killed and stole!

AntiChristian:
He did killed and stole!

Again, More interestingly, are you able to locate at least one law or statute that Samson broke by those killings?

Kobojunkie:
So, abiding by the Constitutional Law in a given Nation is optional? It is OK for Boko Haram to maybe enter Saudi Arabia and then decide it will believe in a law different from that of established in the country itself?.

Are you saying Samson was obeying the Philistine laws instead of the law of God?
Boko Haram is local in Nigeria and not in Saudi.

If Samson with the holy spirit has the right to kill people because they are the enemies of his God, then doesn't Boko Haram not have the same right to kill people who are the enemies of their God?

Kobojunkie:
Again, More interestingly, are you able to locate at least one law or statute that Samson broke by those killings?

So stealing and killing is not against the law?

AntiChristian:
■ So stealing and killing is not against the law?

What stealing and what killing? And what parts of the Law do you condemn him by? Like I mentioned earlier, the law does sanction the killing of enemies of Israel so be specific.