jesusjnr2020:
Christians behaving like the Pharisees about Jesus exposing man-made doctrines and traditions in the church isn't surprising.

I hope they don't end up in hell as a result though as the unrepentant Pharisees because the flesh profits nothing but death.

It's the Spirit that gives life.

That's why we emphasize the preaching of the Gospels of Jesus instead of the Bible.

God bless.

Did you listen to the passage he gave for Peter's rebuttal of Paul? Is that what that passage really says?
So, to you, once those some "highly esteem" say anything their words should be taken as gospel truth?
You have the gospel of Jesus different from the Bible? Interesting! Very interesting!

Aemmyjah:

He did not
He was referencing two persons
The Great God and
The Savior, Jesus Christ.

I just want to watch their show of shame after all they used to unite against JWs saying they're Christians so let each one declare the name of his church so we can know where each teaching is coming from.
Please don't allow them to change the subject sebi they're all Christians and according to them they all worship Jesus so how come they're divided against one another?

Emusan:
■ Are you then saying that everything Jesus denounced are very things Paul was teaching?

I believe Paul is not to blame for your lot making a god of him to rule over Jesus Christ with. Paul clearly expressed his opinions of things in his letters, much like a person would write comments and express opinions here on Nairaland with. The religion of Christianity and its many architects and gods of men took it upon themselves to twist Paul's words using their interpretations as the foundation of their pagan belief which is far removed from Jesus Christ, the one they pretend they believe in.

Action indeed speak louder than words.

You never addressed my question.

Kobojunkie:
I believe Paul is not to blame for your lot making a god of him to rule over Jesus Christ with.

So to agree with what Paul wrote means people are making a God of him to rule Jesus Christ.

Paul clearly expressed his opinions of things in his letters, much like a person would write comments and express opinions here on Nairaland with.

So the ones he didn't express his opinion, do you agree with him?

The religion of Christianity and its many architects and gods of men took it upon themselves to twist Paul's words using their interpretations as the foundation of their pagan belief which is far removed from Jesus Christ, the one they pretend they believe in.

Action indeed speak louder than words.

So Christianity is actually TWISTING Paul's words.

So, who are those MAKING A GOD of Paul to rule over Christ?

Emusan:
You never addressed my question.
So to agree with what Paul wrote means people are making a God of him to rule Jesus Christ.
So the ones he didn't express his opinion, do you agree with him?
So Christianity is actually TWISTING Paul's words.
So, who are those MAKING A GOD of Paul to rule over Christ?

LOL....Paul stated his opinions without asserting them using the name of God. In many ways, he was careful about not crossing that line. Christianity asserts, using the name of God, the opinions or should I say their interpretations of the opinions of Paul, an act which is against God — antiChrist.

I have my opinions which I never assert using the name of God or Jesus Christ as well. I don't come from the same background as Paul did so definitely we are bound to have different opinions. It doesn't matter these opinions, however, as what matters is that the Truth of God be upheld above our differences and opinions.

Why do you like boycotting questions?

Kobojunkie:
LOL....Paul stated his opinions without asserting them using the name of God. In many ways, he was careful about not crossing that line.

So, do you agree with Paul where he used the name of God to ascertain his statement?

Christianity asserts, using the name of God, the opinions or should I say their interpretations of the opinions of Paul, an act which is against God — antiChrist.

Give one example!

I have my opinions which I never assert using the name of God or Jesus Christ as well.

That's good of you.

I don't come from the same background as Paul did so definitely we are bound to have different opinions.

I never said you and Paul must have the same opinion, did I?

It doesn't matter these opinions, however, as what matters is that the Truth of God be upheld above our differences and opinions.

Okay, now did Paul uphold any God's truth, do you agree with him and kindly give example of it?

Emusan:
Why do you like boycotting questions? ■ So, do you agree with Paul where he used the name of God to ascertain his statement? Give one example! That's good of you.
■ I never said you and Paul must have the same opinion, did I? Okay, now did Paul uphold any God's truth, do you agree with him and kindly give example of it?

1. No, because not all his statements are of Jesus Christ. His claim, for instance, of being spiritual father to some is against Jesus Christ who instead said that the Father alone is Father to all in the Kingdom of God.

2. I don't know if Paul, even through all of the many mistakes highlighted in his letters, upheld God's Truth. I was not there with him almost 2000 years ago to see and then judge this for myself. Paul lived in the nation of Judah under the Old Law and his writings reveal he struggled with completely separating himself(opinions included) from the weight of the Old Law same as the some of the other apostles like Peter and James may have as well. To adopt Jesus Christ in full, one is required to let go of all former beliefs and traditions, and from the contents of his many letters, I think Paul struggled the most with doing just that.

Paul to this day waits in his grave to be judged by Jesus Christ. My duty as a servant of Jesus Christ is to do as my master has decreed and not as Paul or anyone else did.

Aemmyjah:



He did not
He was referencing two persons
The Great God and
The Savior, Jesus Christ

No it is one person, the Greek interpretation actually mean that both great God and saviour is actually referring to one person and again It is Jesus christ that is appearing and hence both titles refers to him.
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Emusan:


I remember throughout your time about the link thread, you couldn't outline your so called Paul's errors and of you people are asked hundred times to list Paul's message that is against that of Christ you won't be able to do so.

And the funny thing is, the same Paul made this statement "If God be for and with us, who can be against us?" which you made here.

Oh ye perverse and adulterous generation, how long shall I bear with you?

I'd chosen to ignore you for a while because I didn't want to dignify a hardened stony heart with a response that would end up being wasted.

Imagine going through the whole thread I posted here several years ago, and still couldn't find any single glaring error I listed there, so why should I bother trying any further?

You're a proof of how spiritually daft and blind most Nairaland christians are.

I was shocked to see on social media that the same Gospel of Christ i've emphatically preaching here for years which hardly any of you could catch up with, it's also been preached by several others there. Y'all made me feel as though I was special and unique here by your rejection of the Gospel but I realized that I was just a number there.

The bolded you quoted of my post is proof that your idea I reject all of Paul's teachings because I point out the errors in some of them, was borne out of purely blind sentiments which beclouds your ability to reason judge properly.

The difference between us is that i don't follow Pauk blindly as you do but Christly, that's why I could see the error of his teachings.

Moreover Paul himself could point out the so-called "errors" of other apostles, but you too blind to see that because you think he's above errors himself that others can't point out? That's the real hypocrisy.

Emusan:


See hypocrisy!

Buy you quoted Paul saying in your first post which says "If God be for and with us, who can be against us?" now saying someone is quoting Paul instead of Jesus Christ.

So why are you quoting Paul?

You must have been blind to the context of my reply. Go back and read the question he asked so you can understand why to avoid speaking ignorantly.

He asked "in whose authority" in the respect of pointing out the errors of Paul's teachings which he deemed to be scriptures, but then went on to quote the same Paul's teachings to back up his claim? So is it now Paul's teachings that would be used to prove his teaching were inerrant?

Moreover whose authority is it supposed to be? Christ's or Paul's?

That already exposes who your master is that you think he is inerrant and all his teachings were inspired of God.

Even apostle Paul himself proved not all he taught were inspired of God in 1 Corinthians 7:12, but y'all his blind followers think he was lying or made an error when he said that. What an irony!

Emusan:


Your entire claim about Paul is false, you can open a thread on this if you're sure of yourself.

What claim? Paul's claim in 1 Corinthians 7:12 already proves me right that not all he said was inspired of God even though your blind sentiments won't allow you see it. If you can't still see it regardless, your problem is with Paul's claim not mine.

jesusjnr2020:
Oh ye perverse and adulterous generation, how long shall I bear with you?

As long as you're not Jesus Christ.

I'd chosen to ignore you for a while because I didn't want to dignify a hardened stony heart with a response that would end up being wasted.

Excuse has started.

Imagine going through the whole thread I posted here several years ago, and still couldn't find any single glaring error I listed there, so why should I bother trying any further?

I was those period and yes you didn't.

I said there are no errors in Paul's writings.

You're a proof of how spiritually daft and blind most Nairaland christians are.

As enlighten as you are, you have to deactivated your account with a failed challenge against Atheists or you think we don't remember?

I was shocked to see on social media that the same Gospel of Christ i've emphatically preaching here for years which hardly any of you could catch up with, it's also been preached by several others there. Y'all made me feel as though I was special and unique here by your rejection of the Gospel but I realized that I was just a number there.

Storyteller who asked?

The bolded you quoted of my post is proof that your idea I reject all of Paul's teachings because I point out the errors in some of them, is borne out of purely blind sentiments which beclouds your ability to reason judge properly.

No! This shows your hypocrisy.

You challenge that person by saying "Keep quoting PAUL saying" when you also quoted the same Paul. What is that?


That's what I address not whether you choose any portion of Paul's writing that suits your agenda or called the rest errors.

Paul himself could point out the so-called "errors" of other apostles, and you too blind to see that because you think he's above errors himself that others can't point out? That's the real hypocrisy.

I never said Paul is above Error, you're the one who placed yourself as the most SPIRITUALLY ENLIGHTENED HERE which means you are above everyone.

So, I'm here to tell you that God's word stands firm and no errors in IT.

sagenaija:
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Did you listen to the passage he gave for Peter's rebuttal of Paul? Is that what that passage really says?
So, to you, once those some "highly esteem" say anything their words should be taken as gospel truth?
You have the gospel of Jesus different from the Bible? Interesting! Very interesting!

Yes I did, and that part didn't really add up to be honest and I was already making a post on that which I hoped to post soon, titled something like, "Did Peter Really Speak Against Paul As Suleiman claims? So I'm not as blindly sentimental as ya'll are.

As for the "highly esteem" part, it's because I personally know some here who strongly disapproved of my pointing out of Paul's errors but who blindly follow some of these men and would defend them to the last, one in particular, so this was actually meant for such ones, because I wonder what they'd now say since their own men they highly respect have said the same thing I said that made them oppose me, not that whatever they said is correct.

jesusjnr2020:
What claim? Paul's claim in 1 Corinthians 7:12 already proves me right that not all he said was inspired of God even though your blind sentiments won't allow you see it. If you can't still see it regardless, your problem is with Paul's claim not mine.

So to you to be inspired mean it must be stated as oh God inspired me to say this.

A good student knows that what Paul was addressing in that 1 Corin 7.

These are what came out from that chapter:

1. though I don't know of anything the Lord said about this matter.

2. I instruct married couples to stay together, and this is exactly what the Lord himself taught.

3. I don't know of anything else the Lord said about marriage

Let me stop here!

Now, a good student will know that the speaker is speaking from the knowledge of what he/she knows Jesus taught and doesn't want to lie on what he/she didn't know what Jesus taught.

Moreover, the church Paul was addressing wrote a letter to Paul about certain issues and Paul addressed that as someone Christ entrust his people the same as also with others writings. If Paul writings contain errors:

Why Christ Himself didn't correct him as Paul's writings were addressing certain issues within the church?

Do you think Christ would have allowed Paul to be leading His people with erroneous teachings?

Emusan:


As long as you're not Jesus Christ.



Excuse has started.



I was those period and yes you didn't.

I said there are no errors in Paul's writings.



As enlighten as you are, you have to deactivated your account with a failed challenge against Atheists or you think we don't remember?



Storyteller who asked?



No! This shows your hypocrisy.

You challenge that person by saying "Keep quoting PAUL saying" when you also quoted the same Paul. What is that?


That's what I address not whether you choose any portion of Paul's writing that suits your agenda or called the rest errors.



I never said Paul is above Error, you're the one who placed yourself as the most SPIRITUALLY ENLIGHTENED HERE which means you are above everyone.

So, I'm here to tell you that God's word stands firm and no errors in IT.

Thanks for proving my being right for ignoring you for so long. This is the exact reason Jesus said we shouldn't cast our pearls before the dogs and swines so I am sorry for not heeding that advice in your case.

As for the challenge, you shouldn't also forget that the atheists were having a field time with the likes of yourselves here for many years, until God used me to stem the tide via the conversion of an NL atheist of a couple of months of my being here. Trust me, the atheists would rather have many spiritually bankrupt persons like yourself arguing blindly from one thread to another, than one of someone spiritually backed by God that wouldn't need to speak much but produce results which seemed impossible with men like you here to their confounding.

That backing is everything to me, I can't afford to lose it, that's why I will do anything possible to retain it. Even if it means being hated of all Christians here for saying the hard truth God wants said, and exposing the erroneous and man-made doctrines and traditions in the church, I will continue to do it.

Kobojunkie:
1. No, because not all his statements are of Jesus Christ. His claim, for instance, of being spiritual father to some is against Jesus Christ who instead said that the Father alone is Father to all in the Kingdom of God.

Which means you rejected ALL PAUL'S WRITINGS including the ones that is not from him.

Please can you reference ALL THE VERSES where Paul claimed to be A SPIRITUAL FATHER TO SOME?

2. I don't know if Paul, even through all of the many mistakes highlighted in his letters, upheld God's Truth.

But Jesus will know.

So, do you think Jesus will not correct Paul? Since those letters were addressing certain issues in the church.

I was not there with him almost 2000 years ago to see and then judge this for myself.

But Jesus was there with Him and as Jesus was the one who sent Paul (I don't know if you agree with this) then I trust my saviour and Lord that He won't have allowed Paul to teach His people errors.

Paul lived in the nation of Judah under the Old Law and his writings reveal he struggled with completely separating himself(opinions included) from the weight of the Old Law same as the some of the other apostles like Peter and James may have as well.

Then it seems you don't know the Holy Spirit was there for them and you know more than the Holy Spirit.

To adopt Jesus Christ in full, one is required to let go of all former beliefs and traditions, and from the contents of his many letters, I think Paul struggled the most with doing just that.

But you didn't struggle and have full understanding more than them.

That's wonderful.

Paul to this day waits in his grave to be judged by Jesus Christ.

Jesus Himself didn't teach this.

So where did you get it from?

My duty as a servant of Jesus Christ is to do as my master has decreed and not as Paul or anyone else did.

Who made you SERVANT of Jesus Christ?

How do you know about this YOUR MASTER if not from what people pen down?

Emusan:
■ Which means you rejected ALL PAUL'S WRITINGS including the ones that is not from him. Please can you reference ALL THE VERSES where Paul claimed to be A SPIRITUAL FATHER TO SOME?

Again, 1. No, because not all Paul's statements are of Jesus Christ. His claim, for instance, of being spiritual father to some is against Jesus Christ who instead said that the Father alone is Father to all in the Kingdom of God.

2. I don't know if Paul, even through all of the many mistakes highlighted in his letters, upheld God's Truth. I was not there with him almost 2000 years ago to see and then judge this for myself. Paul lived in the nation of Judah under the Old Law and his writings reveal he struggled with completely separating himself(opinions included) from the weight of the Old Law same as the some of the other apostles like Peter and James may have as well. To adopt Jesus Christ in full, one is required to let go of all former beliefs and traditions, and from the contents of the many letters he supposedly wrote, I think Paul struggled the most with doing just that.

Paul to this day waits in his grave to be judged by Jesus Christ. My duty as a servant of Jesus Christ is to do as my master has decreed and not as Paul or anyone else did.

Emusan:


So to you to be inspired mean it must be stated as oh God inspired me to say this.

A good student knows that what Paul was addressing in that 1 Corin 7.

These are what came out from that chapter:

1. though I don't know of anything the Lord said about this matter.

2. I instruct married couples to stay together, and this is exactly what the Lord himself taught.

3. I don't know of anything else the Lord said about marriage

Let me stop here!

Now, a good student will know that the speaker is speaking from the knowledge of what he/she knows Jesus taught and doesn't want to lie on what he/she didn't know what Jesus taught.

Moreover, the church Paul was addressing wrote a letter to Paul about certain issues and Paul addressed that as someone Christ entrust his people the same as also with others writings. If Paul writings contain errors:

Why Christ Himself didn't correct him as Paul's writings were addressing certain issues within the church?

Do you think Christ would have allowed Paul to be leading His people with erroneous teachings?

You see how your sheer hypocrisy has been totally exposed?

Here you are twisting and trying to cunningly wiggle yourself out of what Paul said here which clearly exposed your hypocrisy, and you think I am your problem?

You don't even believe Paul says! That's the truth.

I Corinthians 7:12 (KJV)

But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

Paul made it very simple so if you don't agree that what he said here did not from God but from Paul as he said himself, then you should argue with Paul, not me.

Steep:
No it is one person, the Greek interpretation actually mean that both great God and saviour is actually referring to one person and again It is Jesus christ that is appearing and hence both titles refers to him.
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Show the Greek interpretation na

Steep:
No it is one person, the Greek interpretation actually mean that both great God and saviour is actually referring to one person and again It is Jesus christ that is appearing and hence both titles refers to him.
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

American Standard Version
looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
While we look for the blessed hope and the revelation of the glory of The Great God and Our Lifegiver, Yeshua The Messiah,


New American Bible
as we await the blessed hope, the appearance of the glory of the great God and of our savior Jesus Christ,

Steep:
No it is one person, the Greek interpretation actually mean that both great God and saviour is actually referring to one person and again It is Jesus christ that is appearing and hence both titles refers to him.
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

while we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of our Savior, Jesus Christ,

Oya nah prove you people are Jesus' worshipers by acting on his prayer to God @ John 17:22
If all of you are worshipers of the same God let the oneness be known by agreeing on what your God prayed for!

Maynthemayn:
Most Christians' follow the pauline doctrines it will be hard for them to see through paul lies.

I feel like weeping for you all. Now, I know why Nigeria is not moving forward. Our reasonings are so low. We act as though we didn't even attend primary school.

First of all, It wasn't Jesus who told Apostle Suleman what he said he heard. He is in deep error. God is no respecter of person.

Revelation you receive must be consistent with the word of God.

Besides, he misinterpreted Peter's statement about Paul. Peter never said what Paul taught was untrue. He only said that they are hard to understand. In other words, Paul wrote deep revelation that you can't just get it's meaning through casual studies. And Peter said this is why some people have twisted Paul's writing to make it say what he didn't say. To claim that something is twisted means that the original content is the truth.

So, I am shocked at the comments I am reading on Nairaland as though everyone has been hypnotized.

Ken4Christ:


I feel like weeping for you all. Now, I know why Nigeria is not moving forward. Our reasonings are so low. We act as though we didn't even attend primary school.

First of all, It wasn't Jesus who told Apostle Suleman what he said he heard. He is in deep error. God is no respecter of person.

Revelation you receive must be consistent with the word of God.

Besides, he misinterpreted Peter's statement about Paul. Peter never said what Paul taught was untrue. He only said that they are hard to understand. In other words, Paul wrote deep revelation that you can't just get it's meaning through casual studies. And Peter said this is why some people have twisted Paul's writing to make it say what he didn't say. To claim that something is twisted means that the original content is the truth.

So, I am shocked at the comments I am reading on Nairaland as though everyone has been hypnotized.

Yahweh worshipper, better you weep for your fellow Christians killed in Owo and middle belt.
most religious country are backwards.

Maynthemayn:

Yahweh worshipper, better you weep for your fellow Christians killed in Owo and middle belt.
most religious country are backwards.

If they are genuine Christians, their souls are in heaven. I rather weep for the terrorist group who killed them because I know that the wrath of God awaits them. They will burn forever in the flame of fire.

Ken4Christ:


If they are genuine Christians, their souls are in heaven. I rather weep for the terrorist group who killed them because I know that the wrath of God awaits them. They will burn forever in the flame of fire.

Yes, the terrorists group will keep killing you Christians, while you WAIT for your god wrath on them after they died.
Keep weeping and Happy waiting

Aemmyjah:

American Standard Version
looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
While we look for the blessed hope and the revelation of the glory of The Great God and Our Lifegiver, Yeshua The Messiah,
New American Bible
as we await the blessed hope, the appearance of the glory of the great God and of our savior Jesus Christ,

He's just trying to hide behind a finger the truth is that only Jehovah's Witnesses keep Paul's word and PRACTICE it.

*Jesus said abandoning one wife unlawfully and many another is adultery {Matthew 19:9} but it's Paul who expatiate it that frontiers in Christianity must marry only one woman.1Timothy 3:2; Titus 1:6
*Jesus cursed apostate Jews for turning against God's purpose {Matthew 23:13-29} Paul said we must stop associating with anyone who claims he is a Christian but not in agreement with oneness among fellow believers! Romans 16:17
*Jesus said we must pray for our enemies {Luke 6:27-28} and Paul prayed for misinformed Jews who are seeking to have him killed! Romans 10:1-3
*Jesus said whoever chooses not to engage in sexual relations throughout his life for the sake of the Good News should be allowed {Matthew 19:12} Paul said he would like most Christians to remain unmarried like him! 1Corinthians 7:1, 8
*Jesus prayed for his disciples to have the same line of thought {John 17:22} Paul said we should all speak in agreement! 1Corinthians 1:10
*Jesus commanded his disciples to preach and teach {Matthew 28:19-20} Paul said it's by going to revisit the householders we preached to who welcomed us and our message! Act 15:36
*Jesus said Paul has been chosen as apostle of the nations {Act 9:15} Paul wrote letters to all the nations where Christians have formed congregations giving them instructions on how to practice Christianity.

Only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION hold all these dearly so when they are arguing among themselves we know it's due to turning against the one and only apostle Jesus chose to connect people of other nations to himself!

Maynthemayn:

Yes, the terrorists group will keep killing you Christians, while you WAIT for your god wrath on them after they died.
Keep weeping and Happy waiting

They certainly can't kill everyone. They should continue. Payday is coming. But there are people they can't touch. People who carry certain visions that must be accomplished are untouchable.

Ken4Christ:


They certainly can't kill everyone. They should continue. Payday is coming. But there are people they can't touch. People who carry certain visions that must be accomplished are untouchable.

Yes, Only the genuine Christians that do not have certain visions are been killed, while you wait for the killers payday after they died

Maynthemayn:

Yes, Only the genuine Christians that do not have certain visions are been killed, while you wait for the killers payday after they died

There are different kind of calling. For instance, they tried to kill John the beloved in the Bible but they couldn't. They even put in boiling oil, he didn't die. That was when they banished him to the island of Patmos where he saw the revelation Jesus asked him to write down. This is what we have as the book of Revelation. So, because of the plan and purpose had for John, no one could kill him. Even in this present day, there are servants of God that are untouchable. It doesn't mean that those who are killed are not genuine Christians. But everyone do not have the same calling or vision.

Ken4Christ:


There are different kind of calling. For instance, they tried to kill John the beloved in the Bible but they couldn't. They even put in boiling oil, he didn't die. That was when they banished him to the island of Patmos where he saw the revelation Jesus asked him to write down.

They couldn't kill John and they banished him, what if john refused to go, what will happen??

Also, the John that was boiling in water didn't write book of Revelation, what a life you live.

Maynthemayn:

They couldn't kill John and they banished him, what if john refused to go, what will happen??

Also, the John that was boiling in water didn't write book of Revelation, what a life you live.

Revelation1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel UNTO HIS SERVANT JOHN.

Ken4Christ:


Revelation1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel UNTO HIS SERVANT JOHN.

Which was written in Greek and island in Patmos by john the fisherman lol.

The place you read that john was banished to Patmos, why not also read from there who wrote the book of Revelation