₦airaland Forum

Feldie:
Dollar is rising at the official rate because CBN has vowed to eliminate multiple exchange rates. If CBN keeps their rate at 800 and banks are selling at 1500 that will mark the return of black market rate which is how Buhari and friends ruined the country because some cabal were buying from CBN at 450 and selling at 750 cheating the public of 300 and becoming wealthy and powerful in the process. CBN has decided to make sure black market people don't make a single profit this time around hoping to remove the incentives for speculations and round tripping. So if you wake up tomorrow and USDT is now 4000 Naira, Nigerians will go to Twitter to trend it that Dollar is now worth 4k, banks will adjust their prices to 4k and CBN will also start selling to banks at 4k. It's a game of cat and mouse. If you decide to start buying USDT at 20k tomorrow morning and Nigerians agree to the price, CBN will start selling at 20k. That's the meaning of "willing buyer, willing seller" that the country is currently running

Feldie:
you just don't know what you're talking about. Tell me, what can you use for right now? USD is not the same thing as USDT. You can book flights, pay school fees, import goods with USD, you can't do any of those with USDT

Feldie:
Dollar is rising at the official rate because CBN has vowed to eliminate multiple exchange rates. If CBN keeps their rate at 800 and banks are selling at 1500 that will mark the return of black market rate which is how Buhari and friends ruined the country because some cabal were buying from CBN at 450 and selling at 750 cheating the public of 300 and becoming wealthy and powerful in the process. CBN has decided to make sure black market people don't make a single profit this time around hoping to remove the incentives for speculations and round tripping. So if you wake up tomorrow and USDT is now 4000 Naira, Nigerians will go to Twitter to trend it that Dollar is now worth 4k, banks will adjust their prices to 4k and CBN will also start selling to banks at 4k. It's a game of cat and mouse. If you decide to start buying USDT at 20k tomorrow morning and Nigerians agree to the price, CBN will start selling at 20k. That's the meaning of "willing buyer, willing seller" that the country is currently running

Chummynoni:
what the government is doing is chasing after the wind. All things being equal, if the Official rate and parallel rate converge, and the demand for $ exceed the supply of $, what do you think would happen? People will definitely source for $ anyhow anyhow. This is simple economics, as long as FG is not generating enough FX to atleast be at par with the demand for it, there will always be speculative trading. It is simple logic. Government cant win this war except FG embark on means to earn forex, as long as pressure is demand for $, the price will keep increasing, this is jusf forces of DD and SS at play.

Feldie:
nothing has happened between January and today that warrant dollar rising from 1k to 1800. The dollar rate is being manipulated by people who want to frustrate cbn until they accept multiple exchange rates. Still this doesn't excuse CBN's incompetence.

Chummynoni:
i agree to the fact that there is some sort of manipulation but note that for every cause, there is an effect. And i am glad you point to CBN' incompetence. I pray Nigeria doesnt go on its kneels soon because the free-fall of naira is causing panic thereby increasing the demand for $, and i believe you know what would happen when this happens? More scarcity of $ thereby shooting the EXR up. One of the only remedies to this is for all the politicians to bring out their stashed $.Who are they decieving? They print more naira and exchange it for $. We have been experiencing Negative BOT for years. My brother, the problems are much that i cant list them all. This crackdown on Crypto is not even part of it. FG knows what to do if they want to, they are only looking for excuses.

Feldie:
If I write my wishes for all Nigerian politicians, DSS will likely come after me.

jeejo:
I understand that what I am about to explain will earn me insults from a selected few individuals because the same culprits are active here on Nairaland, so I am ready for that as well.

If you go to Binance P2P, there is a heavy manipulation going on there, and from my deductions, most of the big Binance P2P Merchants are united in carrying out this manipulation. Some of them even have over 2 Million dollars worth of USDT in their Binance P2P Funding which begs the question whether these people are truly Nigerians or probably foreigners making money from destroying the Nigerian economy.

Many people might not understand the strategy these merchants use, therefore, I will try to break it down.

This is how the manipulation works:

1. Lets assume that the Naira to Dollar is currently exchanging at the Parallel market for 1,500 Naira. On Binance P2P, the group of Merchants will create multiple fake ads claiming that they will buy your USDT for 1,700 Naira(way above the parallel market price). I call these ads "fake" because they will set a minimum limit above 5Million naira, which means if you want to sell your USDT to them at this exorbitant rate that they created, you must be selling a usdt value worth over 5Million Naira at once. This strategy works in filtering out majority of average Nigerians that want to sell their USDT to these Merchants. Meaning these fake ads will remain at the top of the p2p "sell" section for as long as these group of Merchants want it to remain. And if by chance someone who has enough USDT to meet the minimum limit decides to sell to these merchants, they will simply cancel the trade, and create another ad.

2. Now because these group of merchants have filled the P2P "sell" section with these fake ads claiming to buy your USDT at an exorbitant rate of 1,700 NGN, they have automatically shifted the P2P price of Naira to USD to 1,700 Naira, and now they will be selling their USDT to the public under the "buy" section above 1,700 Naira. Now - unlike the fake ads they created with a minimum limit that is above 5Million Naira to discourage sellers for selling to them at this high rate - when they are selling their USDT at this already manipulated price, you will find limit as low as 4,000 Naira because they want to sell to the Public at the exorbitant price they created.

Binance P2P is the new AbokiFx where BDC operators get their current price of Dollar from. The fake price originating from there is in turn used by the BDC operators to set their Dollar selling prices even without any corresponding demand. But the interesting part is that these BDC operators won't buy from you at any rate close to the exorbitant price they are selling the dollar to you.
Here in Benin city, even though the parallel market price of Naira is above 1,600 Naira, the Abokis hardly buy your dollar for above 1,500 Naira but they will sell to you only above 1,700 Naira.

Some people might argue that if Binance is to blame, how come the official exchange rate is now above 1,500NGN to 1 USD? The answer to that is simple. Each time the rate in the Parallel market moves up, the CBN is forced to also adjust official rates upwards in order to close the gap between both windows or else the black market rate will be too wide that it will create an irresistible opportunity for round-tripping.

There is a huge rot in the entire BDC system in Nigeria that I don't think this CBN governor has any idea how deep it really goes.


Update: It appears the Nairaland moderators in business section do not like this post because they banned my alternate Moniker for 4 days after making this post there.

eteebanky1:
9:52pm

I'm beginning to believe this your theory

Rate now in #1500/$ on binance, two hours after the government banned them

E no go better for y'all using naira/$ p2p on binance

Nbote:
Now this is an analysis of someone who genuinely wants to have a conversation. Yes your analysis just broke down how many of these fake ads hike prices on Binance but then attributing it to the freefall of the naira is am overkill. Where do BDC operators get their USD from if not the banks? Where do banks get their USDs from if not CBN. The CBN sells dollars to banks who inturn sell at a profit. The CBN allowed itself to be used as the wallet of the political elites and that's what we are suffering from. The manipulation isn't in Binance, the Manipulation is by the same political elites who have amassed so much monies to influence whatever they like.

PureFace1:
You are spreading misinformation

Selling is all always cheaper than buying when it come to P2P in all platforms.

The minimum trade amount for both buy and sell is 4000 naira in Binance.

Everything still follow the law of supply and demand, If there are nobody buying usdt in the price listed for it on Binance the price would drop.

But the problem is demand for usdt is very high which mean it is not really manipulation but the true value of usdt, even If CBN banned Binance there are so many Platforms with P2P like Binance unless CBN banned Crypto currency again which it didn't even work in the past.

CBN can just make dollar sufficient in the official window at a cheaper rate to discourage people from going to Binance to secure usdt as whatever rate is there, but it is easier said than done.

Nbote:
Now this is an analysis of someone who genuinely wants to have a conversation. Yes your analysis just broke down how many of these fake ads hike prices on Binance but then attributing it to the freefall of the naira is am overkill. Where do BDC operators get their USD from if not the banks? Where do banks get their USDs from if not CBN. The CBN sells dollars to banks who inturn sell at a profit. The CBN allowed itself to be used as the wallet of the political elites and that's what we are suffering from. The manipulation isn't in Binance, the Manipulation is by the same political elites who have amassed so much monies to influence whatever they like.

jeejo:
I understand that what I am about to explain will earn me insults from a selected few individuals because the same culprits are active here on Nairaland, so I am ready for that as well.

If you go to Binance P2P, there is a heavy manipulation going on there, and from my deductions, most of the big Binance P2P Merchants are united in carrying out this manipulation. Some of them even have over 2 Million dollars worth of USDT in their Binance P2P Funding which begs the question whether these people are truly Nigerians or probably foreigners making money from destroying the Nigerian economy.

Many people might not understand the strategy these merchants use, therefore, I will try to break it down.

This is how the manipulation works:

1. Lets assume that the Naira to Dollar is currently exchanging at the Parallel market for 1,500 Naira. On Binance P2P, the group of Merchants will create multiple fake ads claiming that they will buy your USDT for 1,700 Naira(way above the parallel market price). I call these ads "fake" because they will set a minimum limit above 5Million naira, which means if you want to sell your USDT to them at this exorbitant rate that they created, you must be selling a usdt value worth over 5Million Naira at once. This strategy works in filtering out majority of average Nigerians that want to sell their USDT to these Merchants. Meaning these fake ads will remain at the top of the p2p "sell" section for as long as these group of Merchants want it to remain. And if by chance someone who has enough USDT to meet the minimum limit decides to sell to these merchants, they will simply cancel the trade, and create another ad.

2. Now because these group of merchants have filled the P2P "sell" section with these fake ads claiming to buy your USDT at an exorbitant rate of 1,700 NGN, they have automatically shifted the P2P price of Naira to USD to 1,700 Naira, and now they will be selling their USDT to the public under the "buy" section above 1,700 Naira. Now - unlike the fake ads they created with a minimum limit that is above 5Million Naira to discourage sellers for selling to them at this high rate - when they are selling their USDT at this already manipulated price, you will find limit as low as 4,000 Naira because they want to sell to the Public at the exorbitant price they created.

Binance P2P is the new AbokiFx where BDC operators get their current price of Dollar from. The fake price originating from there is in turn used by the BDC operators to set their Dollar selling prices even without any corresponding demand. But the interesting part is that these BDC operators won't buy from you at any rate close to the exorbitant price they are selling the dollar to you.
Here in Benin city, even though the parallel market price of Naira is above 1,600 Naira, the Abokis hardly buy your dollar for above 1,500 Naira but they will sell to you only above 1,700 Naira.

Some people might argue that if Binance is to blame, how come the official exchange rate is now above 1,500NGN to 1 USD? The answer to that is simple. Each time the rate in the Parallel market moves up, the CBN is forced to also adjust official rates upwards in order to close the gap between both windows or else the black market rate will be too wide that it will create an irresistible opportunity for round-tripping.

There is a huge rot in the entire BDC system in Nigeria that I don't think this CBN governor has any idea how deep it really goes.


Update: It appears the Nairaland moderators in business section do not like this post because they banned my alternate Moniker for 4 days after making this post there.

jeejo:
I understand that what I am about to explain will earn me insults from a selected few individuals because the same culprits are active here on Nairaland, so I am ready for that as well.

If you go to Binance P2P, there is a heavy manipulation going on there, and from my deductions, most of the big Binance P2P Merchants are united in carrying out this manipulation. Some of them even have over 2 Million dollars worth of USDT in their Binance P2P Funding which begs the question whether these people are truly Nigerians or probably foreigners making money from destroying the Nigerian economy.

Many people might not understand the strategy these merchants use, therefore, I will try to break it down.

This is how the manipulation works:

1. Lets assume that the Naira to Dollar is currently exchanging at the Parallel market for 1,500 Naira. On Binance P2P, the group of Merchants will create multiple fake ads claiming that they will buy your USDT for 1,700 Naira(way above the parallel market price). I call these ads "fake" because they will set a minimum limit above 5Million naira, which means if you want to sell your USDT to them at this exorbitant rate that they created, you must be selling a usdt value worth over 5Million Naira at once. This strategy works in filtering out majority of average Nigerians that want to sell their USDT to these Merchants. Meaning these fake ads will remain at the top of the p2p "sell" section for as long as these group of Merchants want it to remain. And if by chance someone who has enough USDT to meet the minimum limit decides to sell to these merchants, they will simply cancel the trade, and create another ad.

2. Now because these group of merchants have filled the P2P "sell" section with these fake ads claiming to buy your USDT at an exorbitant rate of 1,700 NGN, they have automatically shifted the P2P price of Naira to USD to 1,700 Naira, and now they will be selling their USDT to the public under the "buy" section above 1,700 Naira. Now - unlike the fake ads they created with a minimum limit that is above 5Million Naira to discourage sellers for selling to them at this high rate - when they are selling their USDT at this already manipulated price, you will find limit as low as 4,000 Naira because they want to sell to the Public at the exorbitant price they created.

Binance P2P is the new AbokiFx where BDC operators get their current price of Dollar from. The fake price originating from there is in turn used by the BDC operators to set their Dollar selling prices even without any corresponding demand. But the interesting part is that these BDC operators won't buy from you at any rate close to the exorbitant price they are selling the dollar to you.
Here in Benin city, even though the parallel market price of Naira is above 1,600 Naira, the Abokis hardly buy your dollar for above 1,500 Naira but they will sell to you only above 1,700 Naira.

Some people might argue that if Binance is to blame, how come the official exchange rate is now above 1,500NGN to 1 USD? The answer to that is simple. Each time the rate in the Parallel market moves up, the CBN is forced to also adjust official rates upwards in order to close the gap between both windows or else the black market rate will be too wide that it will create an irresistible opportunity for round-tripping.

There is a huge rot in the entire BDC system in Nigeria that I don't think this CBN governor has any idea how deep it really goes.


Update: It appears the Nairaland moderators in business section do not like this post because they banned my alternate Moniker for 4 days after making this post there.

Feldie:
You can book flights, pay school fees, import goods with USD, you can't do any of those with USDT

jeejo:
I understand that what I am about to explain will earn me insults from a selected few individuals because the same culprits are active here on Nairaland, so I am ready for that as well.

If you go to Binance P2P, there is a heavy manipulation going on there, and from my deductions, most of the big Binance P2P Merchants are united in carrying out this manipulation. Some of them even have over 2 Million dollars worth of USDT in their Binance P2P Funding which begs the question whether these people are truly Nigerians or probably foreigners making money from destroying the Nigerian economy.

Many people might not understand the strategy these merchants use, therefore, I will try to break it down.

This is how the manipulation works:

1. Lets assume that the Naira to Dollar is currently exchanging at the Parallel market for 1,500 Naira. On Binance P2P, the group of Merchants will create multiple fake ads claiming that they will buy your USDT for 1,700 Naira(way above the parallel market price). I call these ads "fake" because they will set a minimum limit above 5Million naira, which means if you want to sell your USDT to them at this exorbitant rate that they created, you must be selling a usdt value worth over 5Million Naira at once. This strategy works in filtering out majority of average Nigerians that want to sell their USDT to these Merchants. Meaning these fake ads will remain at the top of the p2p "sell" section for as long as these group of Merchants want it to remain. And if by chance someone who has enough USDT to meet the minimum limit decides to sell to these merchants, they will simply cancel the trade, and create another ad.

2. Now because these group of merchants have filled the P2P "sell" section with these fake ads claiming to buy your USDT at an exorbitant rate of 1,700 NGN, they have automatically shifted the P2P price of Naira to USD to 1,700 Naira, and now they will be selling their USDT to the public under the "buy" section above 1,700 Naira. Now - unlike the fake ads they created with a minimum limit that is above 5Million Naira to discourage sellers for selling to them at this high rate - when they are selling their USDT at this already manipulated price, you will find limit as low as 4,000 Naira because they want to sell to the Public at the exorbitant price they created.

Binance P2P is the new AbokiFx where BDC operators get their current price of Dollar from. The fake price originating from there is in turn used by the BDC operators to set their Dollar selling prices even without any corresponding demand. But the interesting part is that these BDC operators won't buy from you at any rate close to the exorbitant price they are selling the dollar to you.
Here in Benin city, even though the parallel market price of Naira is above 1,600 Naira, the Abokis hardly buy your dollar for above 1,500 Naira but they will sell to you only above 1,700 Naira.

Some people might argue that if Binance is to blame, how come the official exchange rate is now above 1,500NGN to 1 USD? The answer to that is simple. Each time the rate in the Parallel market moves up, the CBN is forced to also adjust official rates upwards in order to close the gap between both windows or else the black market rate will be too wide that it will create an irresistible opportunity for round-tripping.

There is a huge rot in the entire BDC system in Nigeria that I don't think this CBN governor has any idea how deep it really goes.


Update: It appears the Nairaland moderators in business section do not like this post because they banned my alternate Moniker for 4 days after making this post there.

1x2x3:
You are blaming the P2P forgetting the real thieve are your bank MDs who CBN release $$$ to but you would never find the Dollars available to buy from them. Why would anyone want to buy $$ from P2P if banks are willing to sell?

The CBN sell $$ to the banks at N1500 the banks instead of selling to the public at N1550 they prefer to reserve it for politicians or BDCs at a much more higher rate like N1600. Politicians will take this money away and cause shortage while the rest that was sold to BDC will be resold at 1700.

Stop blaming P2P. If they Govt want to solve the problem then they should start with reshuffling things within. What you see if Govt failing or being clueless.

PureFace1:
As long as there are people willing to buy at the price it is listed, It is not manipulation the demand is just too high that people are willing to buy at that price, if people are not buying at the price listed the price would be forced to drop.

Do you think people are stupid?

If people can easily walk into any banks in Nigeria or online and secure Dollar at the official rate for their business transactions you think they would be patronizing Binance and other black market dealers ? but the dollar is just too scarce that it is not really available, if you call that manipulation then you are stupid.

What you guys want to do is kill other alternatives sources of getting dollar, with CBN and banks having absolute monopoly and tolerating whatever is dish out but usd is not a Nigeria currency and CBN can't have the absolute monopoly over it.

PureFace1:
even If CBN banned Binance there are so many Platforms with P2P like Binance unless CBN banned Crypto currency again which it didn't even work in the past.

Farrason:
Pls tell him to stfkup if he has nothing reasonable to say. So na P2P weh just start yesterday cause the naira to fall since 1960. When your FG was devaluing the naira consecutively in different dispensation just to woo investors, you lost your voice abi. Will American do same to woo russian investors or German investors... Anu mpama!!

This last one came in and removed subsidy without checking the board for cause and effects... Government is not Chess baby.

Every decision comes with a consequence, you decide the side it falls on if you make an ignorant one or wise one.

Anyways, continue the blaming, someone said basket mouth, today na Binance P2P, tomorrow they will blame Burna, Wizzy, Tiwa and everyone who gets paid in dollars. They should be paid in Naira instead.

Nbote:
Now this is an analysis of someone who genuinely wants to have a conversation. Yes your analysis just broke down how many of these fake ads hike prices on Binance but then attributing it to the freefall of the naira is am overkill. Where do BDC operators get their USD from if not the banks? Where do banks get their USDs from if not CBN. The CBN sells dollars to banks who inturn sell at a profit. The CBN allowed itself to be used as the wallet of the political elites and that's what we are suffering from. The manipulation isn't in Binance, the Manipulation is by the same political elites who have amassed so much monies to influence whatever they like.

motymop:
anything online can be manipulated.

USDT isnt legally approved in Nigeria and many jurisdictions do not recognize usdt or any stable coin because, it is not real dollar

Binance is a market maker so they provide liquidity that also means that can manipulate price to attract people to their p2p platform.

PureFace1:
You are spreading misinformation

Selling is all always cheaper than buying when it come to P2P in all platforms.

The minimum trade amount for both buy and sell is 4000 naira in Binance.

Everything still follow the law of supply and demand, If there are nobody buying usdt in the price listed for it on Binance the price would drop.

But the problem is demand for usdt is very high which mean it is not really manipulation but the true value of usdt, even If CBN banned Binance there are so many Platforms with P2P like Binance unless CBN banned Crypto currency again which it didn't even work in the past.

CBN can just make dollar sufficient in the official window at a cheaper rate to discourage people from going to Binance to secure usdt as whatever rate is there, but it is easier said than done.

PureFace1:
Most of you guys are just ignorant it is better to leave you to keep wallowing in your ignorance.

Difrent:
Stop spreading misinformation
CBN never at any time banned crypto
They only said cryo deals shouldn't be conducted through the banking system and it was because of this same reason of speculation.
BAT government lifting that sanction emboldened the P2p merchants which lead to the present prices which is not backed by any economic indices .... Just pure speculation is what's making naira price go up.
Most P2P merchants are speculators and are hoping naira value will depreciate so they can make insane profits .... Just the way they are waiting for Bitcoin to hit 100k soon.

vacanci:
the manipulators are are both side of the transaction. They publish the rate for sell, and they use their coordinated members to do the buy with little tranches and hence push the price up and suddenly they come up with the huge offer to offload at a higher amount to make huge gain.

na their way