Lucifyre:


Reasoning with you would be akin to one reasoning with a dog not to eat vomit, roll in the mud, or sniff buttholes. It's pointless as the plane of reasoning are so far apart. So i don't think i want to be part of your usual typo filled incoherent mess of a tangential pov. Your comments all over this site show you to be obtuse as fvck, dense beyond gold and a demi god at being a grade A mor0n. It'll come across as an insult but one just needs to go through ur comment history to find out its fact. Anyways ill be ignoring ur dumb ass onward until u maybe decide to grow up, not holding my breath though.

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.'!

See insults because i bursted your foolish lies and your personal self denials.

Clearly, you were so full of delusions that you forgot that people saw what was causing them to run and fight in dreams and how a force kept powerfully kept them almost frozen in place despite all they do to move away or counter it.

As i said, Self deceit at its finest.

justlove91:


You're right, sometimes the body lift the paralysis too early while the mind is still dreaming and sometimes the body lift the paralysis too late after the mind is "awake"..

The body lifts it? not you fighting it? See delusion!

Lucifyre:


About the bolded, i don't think you can say that as a fact, its a little bit more nuanced than that. I believe experiences defer and while what you say applies to most there's still some anecdotal evidence to the contrary. Example a little anecdote from myself, my first overwhelming sleep paralysis experience, i was clearly awake even though in that groggy state and was struggling to get up but couldn't. Was shouting and no one heard me. It looked like a dream state but why i got to know it ws not was cause everyone in the room was exactly where they were in real life like in the "dream like state" when i was struggling and shouting to get their attention.

The caveat here been that they told me "you were just lying there nau", you didnt even flinch, mind you not like they were paying close attention to me, cause they were gisting. Maybe i was experiencing some sort of psuedo astral projection as well but i really doubt that as i don't even believe in astral projection in its literal form. So you see its a little bit more nuanced than partially dreamy partially awake. Your lucid dream thought process is quite spot on though. That's what ive been doing anytime i get sleep paralysis although it rarely happens to me. Also sometimes when im lucid dreaming, i wake up and then go back to sleep to continue from where i stopped exactly especially when i liked the dream. Doesn't happen often though.

Let's liken dream to virtual reality, everything you're aware of is dream stuff. And let's liken sleep paralysis to augmented reality, some of the things one is aware of is from the real world gotten through your senses and at the same time their can be an overlay of dream stuff on your perception just like augmented reality.
I had sleep paralysis one time, I can see the room and things in it but their are lots of spiders on the wall. Now, the room is real, the wall is real but the spiders are dream stuff.

In this state, it's like you have one leg in reality and one in dream that's why I said one is partially dreaming and awake.

And when I say one is partially awake I don't mean one feels groggy or sleepy(infact one can be fully aware as real life), but that what one is aware of can be partially real or fake (dream).

Dtruthspeaker:


The body lifts it? not you fighting it? See delusion!

You can only fight you can't lift it, it is the body that lifts the paralysis that's why it is advisable to just relax till the body lifts it instead of fighting it which often leads to scary hallucinations.

justlove91:

You can only fight you can't lift it, it is the body that lifts the paralysis that's why it is advisable to just relax till the body lifts it instead of fighting it which often leads to scary hallucinations.

At least you have now confessed that we are fighting for even in dreams almost all the time we have control until this particular nightmare and evil spirit shows up and scatters the normal.

Dtruthspeaker:


At least you have now confessed that we are fighting for even in dreams almost all the time we have control until this particular nightmare and evil spirit shows up and scatters the normal.

People fight because they're ignorant, I don't fight sleep paralysis, I either relax and wait for the paralysis to be lifted or I imagine myself to somewhere else.

justlove91:


People fight because they're ignorant, I don't fight sleep paralysis, I either relax and wait for the paralysis to be lifted or I imagine myself to somewhere else.

People fight in dreams because they are ignorant? You people are getting mad and you dont know it. Kai Tinubu is sly.

justlove91:


Let's liken dream to virtual reality, everything you're aware of is dream stuff. And let's liken sleep paralysis to augmented reality, some of the things one is aware of is from the real world gotten through your senses and at the same time their can be an overlay of dream stuff on your perception just like augmented reality.
I had sleep paralysis one time, I can see the room and things in it but their are lots of spiders on the wall. Now, the room is real, the wall is real but the spiders are dream stuff.

In this state, it's like you have one leg in reality and one in dream that's why I said one is partially dreaming and awake.

And when I say one is partially awake I don't mean one feels groggy or sleepy(infact one can be fully aware as real life), but that what one is aware of can be partially real or fake (dream).

I kind of get ur pov especially with the analogy and it does sell it but for some reason i still feel some nuanced context's missing, still ur pov seems better. What do you think of astral projection, any experience on that front??

Lucifyre:


I kind of get ur pov especially with the analogy and it does sell it but for some reason i still feel some nuanced context's missing, still ur pov seems better. What do you think of astral projection, any experience on that front??

During lucid dream, we experience a reality that is an hallucination.
During Astral projection, we experience a reality that has it own objective existence ie not an hallucination.

I have not experienced astral projection.
Have you??

Dtruthspeaker:


People fight in dreams because they are ignorant? You people are getting mad and you dont know it. Kai Tinubu is sly.

When did I say people fight in their dream because they're ignorant?? I said people fight sleep paralysis because they're ignorant.

Dtruthspeaker:


If you can induce it then it means that you are not sleeping if not men would not need to masturbate as they can just conjour that bitch that came to Bleep them the first time.

whenever I experience that phenomenon when I wake up I usually see myself sleeping facing the cieling but if I sleep facing sideways I will have no such paralysis

justlove91:


During lucid dream, we experience a reality that is an hallucination.
During Astral projection, we experience a reality that has it own objective existence ie not an hallucination.

I have not experienced astral projection.
Have you??

can another observer see the traveling body of the person experiencing Astral projection?

nonhuman:
whenever I experience that phenomenon when I wake up I usually see myself sleeping facing the cieling but if I sleep facing sideways I will have no such paralysis

in that case, sleep paralysis has a physiological link?

paxonel:
can another observer see the traveling body of the person experiencing Astral projection?

Yes

nonhuman:
whenever I experience that phenomenon when I wake up I usually see myself sleeping facing the cieling but if I sleep facing sideways I will have no such paralysis

Me too! That is exactly my sleeping position but these devils find many crooked and twisted ways to ruin the sweet sleep especially the one of using sweet and pleasant dreams at first only for them to turn it into terrors. Clearly, it is ochestrated and mannipulated.

justlove91:

When did I say people fight in their dream because they're ignorant?? I said people fight sleep paralysis because they're ignorant.

You don change mouth. What you said is there looking at all of us.

There is.