I have seen posts making the rounds about potential revolution in Nigeria, stemming from the new trend of looting grains....but what revolution are we really talking about?
In an autocracy, or an authoritarian democracy, revolution is easier to achieve because u have a particular ruling elite class, so the citizen's anger is directed towards a particular set of people, paving the way for an untested opposition to come to power if the revolution is successful...
But Nigeria is a liberal democracy, we do not have a particular set of ruling elites and an untested opposition, the apc members u see today can defect tomorrow, the PDP members u see today can defect tomorrow, we have a multi-party parliament, we have lots of states with opposition parties as governors...
We have elections, even tho not free and fair, but the ruling party and opposition both have machinery to rig elections.....
The ruling apc is voted into power by a large number of people, bothe in federal and state level, same with the opposition parties...
So if u talk of revolution in Nigeria, what does it mean if people take to the streets and say enough is enough, will the aim be to overthrow the tinubu administration? Even if he steps down, is it not the same APC that will take power? If APC is overthrown, PDP will come to power, same people, then APC members will defect to pdp, same cycle
Liberal Democracy is the best political system, its creates stability and it is very sustainable....

I agree with your point of view.... everybody in Nigeria is complacent of the problem we have today...it will be very difficult to overthrow the government via protest in Nigeria...
Coz even if u do, who will replace them? We should be careful before anarchy descends on the land

Ertugrul:
I agree with your point of view.... everybody in Nigeria is complacent of the problem we have today...it will be very difficult to overthrow the government via protest in Nigeria...
Coz even if u do, who will replace them? We should be careful before anarchy descends on the land

Yes it is very important to have plans for what happens after the revolution, a simple revolution in form of protest might spiral into complete breakdown of law and order and eventually armed uprising....but like i said, such things will not easily happen in a liberal democracy like Nigeria

Revolution ?

What you should expect is pure anarchy like what we are witnessing in Haiti with criminal gangs taking over the country.

There has never ever been an ideological driven shift in Nigeria's political sphere.

Every paragidm shift has been driven by ethno-religious ambitions.

In a highly diverse multicultural society with every ethnicity harbouring great suspicion and hatred of the other.

No political movement can unite this Babel population, rather the political class strive in promoting divisions.

The grievances in Enugu are no concern to the man in Kano or that in Ibadan.

What most of you naive commie idiots don't understand is that any populist so-called revolution can not be universal across Nigeria and at best it will be regional and the worst case scenario will lead to pure anarchy like in IPOB ravaged parts of Imo.

The best that can be achieved is criminal led insurgency like we see with BH and IPOB to undermine the federal government towards inspiring other groups to rebel .

At the end, the FG will be undermined if every group starts their own rebellion which will inadvertently lead to the rise of nationalist movements.

Revolutions are meant to usher in a Marxist centrist system. In Nigeria's case , it will only do the opposite .

All revolutions have been driven by an ethnic agenda towards clinching power. Do you assume that other nationals will sit down and accept the new ethnic champions?

Think Jan 15 .

There will be no revolution in its pure sense in Nigeria. Revolution requires that the PPL to lead it and the followers be:-

- intellectual at the minimal level
- be honest
- ready to make sacrifices
- work together by putting the group vision above personal sentiments or emotions
-have both short and ultimately long term visions.


We don't have it here in Nigeria. Only blind anarchy like in Liberia or Sierra Leone of 1990-2004 can be the result.

Minsk24:

Yes it is very important to have plans for what happens after the revolution, a simple revolution in form of protest might spiral into complete breakdown of law and order and eventually armed uprising....but like i said, such things will not easily happen in a liberal democracy like Nigeria

Hmmmm, u are correct

AntiZikist:
Revolution ?

What you should expect is pure anarchy like what we are witnessing in Haiti with criminal gangs taking over the country.

There has never ever been an ideological driven shift in Nigeria's political sphere.

Every paragidm shift has been driven by ethno-religious ambitions.

In a highly diverse multicultural society with every ethnicity harbouring great suspicion and hatred of the other.

No political movement can unite this Babel population, rather the political class strive in promoting divisions.

The grievances in Enugu are no concern to the man in Kano or that in Ibadan.

What most of you naive commie idiots don't understand is that any populist so-called revolution can not be universal across Nigeria and at best it will be regional and the worst case scenario will lead to pure anarchy like in IPOB ravaged parts of Imo.

The best that can be achieved is criminal led insurgency like we see with BH and IPOB to undermine the federal government towards inspiring other groups to rebel .

At the end, the FG will be undermined if every group starts their own rebellion which will inadvertently lead to the rise of nationalist movements.

Revolutions are meant to usher in a Marxist centrist system. In Nigeria's case , it will only do the opposite .

All revolutions have been driven by an ethnic agenda towards clinching power. Do you assume that other nationals will sit down and accept the new ethnic champions?

Think Jan 15 .

I agree with ur points ,the diversity and suspicion of different ethnic groups will be a stumbling block to any revolution...

caye:
There will be no revolution in its pure sense in Nigeria. Revolution requires that the PPL to lead it and the followers be:-

- intellectual at the minimal level
- be honest
- ready to make sacrifices
- work together by putting the group vision above personal sentiments or emotions
-have both short and ultimately long term visions.


We don't have it here in Nigeria. Only blind anarchy like in Liberia or Sierra Leone of 1990-2004 can be the result.

You are right, who exactly will take advantage of protest to lead a revolution, and what will be the agenda? It is very difficult for me to see what a revolution via protest will be or look like

Minsk24:

I agree with ur points ,the diversity and suspicion of different ethnic groups will be a stumbling block to any revolution...

The Jacobin led french Revolution was successful because the homogeneous population was incited against the Royalty and Aristocratic class.

In Tsarist Russia, the Bolsheviks who led the revolution incited class divisions and recruited and promoted the dredges of society into its ranks(Bioleninism).

Nigeria can never be a communist society because we are all strongly proud nationalists .

The foolishness of Jan 15 1966 has to be the greatest miscalculation ever made.


In his infamous speech ushering decree 34, Ironsi defending the abrogation of regions for a centrist one by blaming ethnic chauvinism
He even hinted on dissolving all traditional rulers.

That's to show you that the coup plotters had a communist bent despite Nigeria being staunchly anti Soviet Union during the first Republic.

AntiZikist:



The Jacobin led french Revolution was successful because the homogeneous population was incited against the Royalty and Aristocratic class.

In Tsarist Russia, the Bolsheviks who led the revolution incited class divisions and recruited and promoted the dredges of society into its ranks(Bioleninism).

Nigeria can never be a communist society because we are all strongly proud nationalists .

The foolishness of Jan 15 1966 has to be the greatest miscalculation ever made.


In his infamous speech ushering decree 34, Ironsi defending the abrogation of regions for a centrist one by blaming ethnic chauvinism
He even hinted on dissolving all traditional rulers.

That's to show you that the coup plotters had a communist bent despite Nigeria being staunchly anti Soviet Union during the first Republic.

Your citations on France and Russia emphasizes my point, and that will be very difficult to replicate in Nigeria...
But u must understand that,the Nigerian case is not just a matter of ethnicity, the political system sits at the core of the difficulty of revolution via protest..
For example, imagine Nigeria were to be in a dictatorship, it will be easier for the revolutionary protest to happen compared to what we have now....
I want to ask you, why would u refer to early Nigerian leaders like ironsi as having Communist leanings? Do u have more citations to back this? I am very surprised how the cold war did not affect Nigeria in any way..

Minsk24:

Your citations on France and Russia emphasizes my point, and that will be very difficult to replicate in Nigeria...
But u must understand that,the Nigerian case is not just a matter of ethnicity, the political system sits at the core of the difficulty of revolution via protest..
For example, imagine Nigeria were to be in a dictatorship, it will be easier for the revolutionary protest to happen compared to what we have now....
I want to ask you, why would u refer to early Nigerian leaders like ironsi as having Communist leanings? Do u have more citations to back this? I am very surprised how the cold war did not affect Nigeria in any way..

Dictatorship in Nigeria were only successful because the powerful militant Islamic north backed each and every dictator except Ironsi's.

Even in Leninist Russia , the greatest backers were all Jews and they occupied most senior positions in the politibro and military.

As for the French Revolution, the greatest beneficiaries were Jews who came to own all the properties seized from the aristocrats .

Napoleon made this reference when he seized power that "Jews had come to own more property than any other people after the revolution".

There can never ever be a leadership after a revolution that won't seek to consilidate it's grip on power without promoting an ethnic agenda to get its people to back it.

As for Ironsi, he was more attuned to Zikism which was nothing but Afro-Marxism

AntiZikist:



Dictatorship in Nigeria were only successful because the powerful militant Islamic north backed each and every dictator except Ironsi's.

Even in Leninist Russia , the greatest backers were all Jews and they occupied most senior positions in the politibro and military.

As for the French Revolution, the greatest beneficiaries were Jews who came to own all the properties seized from the aristocrats .

Napoleon made this reference when he seized power that "Jews had come to own more property than any other people after the revolution".

There can never ever be a leadership after a revolution that won't seek to consilidate it's grip on power without promoting an ethnic agenda to get its people to back it.

As for Ironsi, he was more attuned to Zikism which was nothing but Afro-Marxism

I appreciate your thoughts sir....
The comment on consolidating power is very true, power is derived from a particular source and it must be consolidated upon....well said

Minsk24:

I appreciate your thoughts sir....
The comment on consolidating power is very true, power is derived from a particular source and it must be consolidated upon....well said

The only solution to Nigeria's many troubles is to either return to true federalism with the regional template or we all go our seperate ways in peace.

But we know this will never happen because two major ethnic groups will rather see the centrist system maintained and Nigeria remains as one .


Those shouting revolution are no different than the Zikists who polluted the independence struggle.

They , like the Zikists of old, did not fight colonialism because of its perceived evils but simply to take over from the Europeans.

The Obidient mob that is clamouring for coup and revolution are not in anyway interested in reforming Nigeria , rather they are driven by pure bitter hatred over their ethnic champion losing out in the last elections.

Anybody but their hated Yoruba should rule either by fiat or by the ballot.

Here below is the reason Nzeribe used in calling for annulment of June 12 elections.

Minsk24:

I appreciate your thoughts sir....
The comment on consolidating power is very true, power is derived from a particular source and it must be consolidated upon....well said

I even forgot to use the Islamist revolution in northern Nigeria led by the Fulani , Uthman Dan Fodio who incited the Hausa plebs against their kings.

Today , who is lording over the Hausa?

Forget any useless talk of revolution.

The Obidient cretins pushing this revolution craze will be the last to benefit from the outcome of s revolution or coup but their hatred for Yorubas has blinded them.

AntiZikist:



The only solution to Nigeria's many troubles is to either return to true federalism with the regional template or we all go our seperate ways in peace.

But we know this will never happen because two major ethnic groups will rather see the centrist system maintained and Nigeria remains as one .


Those shouting revolution are no different than the Zikists who polluted the independence struggle.

They , like the Zikists of old, did not fight colonialism because of its perceived evils but simply to take over from the Europeans.

The Obidient mob that is clamouring for coup and revolution are not in anyway interested in reforming Nigeria , rather they are driven by pure bitter hatred over their ethnic champion losing out in the last elections.

Anybody but their hated Yoruba should rule either by fiat or by the ballot.

Here below is the reason Nzeribe used in calling for annulment of June 12 elections.

True federalism is the way forward, the constitution needs to be reformed...
While there is an element of hate on the side of igbos, it is important to note that obedient is not just dominated by igbos, there are other ethnicities who voted for LP and some of these people have no major issues with the Yoruba...
For example, the i saw a post by aisha yesufu who called the looting trend "the start of the revolution"
As for those calling for military coup, this is because of the intense Russian and anti-western propaganda.....a person who is deeply brainwashed by Russian propaganda and is not happy with the Nigerian state will look at successful coups in the sahel as a beacon of hope for what could/should happen in Nigeria...
You say there are two ethnicities who will not want a return to true federalism, the first one is obvious, give me a hint on the second one and why...

AntiZikist:



I even forgot to use the Islamist revolution in northern Nigeria led by the Fulani , Uthman Dan Fodio who incited the Hausa plebs against their kings.

Today , who is lording over the Hausa?

Forget any useless talk of revolution.

The Obidient cretins pushing this revolution craze will be the last to benefit from the outcome of s revolution or coup but their hatred for Yorubas has blinded them.

Well said....
But we must understand that with the current economic situation, people are angry, and this anger can stir up anarchy if things get worst, this is not just about obedient, obedient are not the only people who are angry with the current situation....
And it is important for u to stop viewing the opposition scenario in Nigeria as an obedient vs Yoruba or igbo vs yoruba....

Minsk24:

True federalism is the way forward, the constitution needs to be reformed...
While there is an element of hate on the side of igbos, it is important to note that obedient is not just dominated by igbos, there are other ethnicities who voted for LP and some of these people have no major issues with the Yoruba...
For example, the i saw a post by aisha yesufu who called the looting trend "the start of the revolution"
As for those calling for military coup, this is because of the intense Russian and anti-western propaganda.....a person who is deeply brainwashed by Russian propaganda and is not happy with the Nigerian state will look at successful coups in the sahel as a beacon of hope for what could/should happen in Nigeria...
You say there are two ethnicities who will not want a return to true federalism, the first one is obvious, give me a hint on the second one and why...

I am pro Russian and believe strongly that Russia of today is no different than early US.

Today , the US is the Soviet Union because it's entire political and security structure has been hijacked by displaced Bolsheviks and their descendants whom Stalin chased out of the Soviet Union.

Russia's support for military regimes in the Sahel is to deny France and the west their feeding trough which they have been leaching on forever.



As for the Obidient mob, their make up is mainly skewed to one ethnic group with a sprinkle of useful idiots from other tribes.


The pic below should tell you more on what the Obidient mob represents

Revolution?

Anything Revolution in Nigeria always ends up being turned into an Ethnic Cleansing Bloodbath.

And for some reason the SW always received the Collateral Damage

In the Jan 66 Coup lead by Ifeajuna and Nzeogwu Premier Akintola of the West was killed

In the July 66 Revenge Coup led by Muritala Mohammmed and Martin Adamu Gov Fajuyi of the West was also killed


Only Peaceful Revolution can happen in Nigeria

Minsk24:

Well said....
But we must understand that with the current economic situation, people are angry, and this anger can stir up anarchy if things get worst, this is not just about obedient, obedient are not the only people who are angry with the current situation....
And it is important for u to stop viewing the opposition scenario in Nigeria as an obedient vs Yoruba or igbo vs yoruba....

You are extremely naive.

Nigeria's current political structure promotes ethnic competition on who gets to lord over the spoils of governance.

If you think there is no ethnic agenda from the east then you are highly ignorant.


The only way to stop all these rubbish is to go back to true federalism so that everyone will go back to their papa house and make it work for them instead of dragging resources and wealth of others under one centrist parasitic system.

Minsk24:


You say there are two ethnicities who will not want a return to true federalism, the first one is obvious, give me a hint on the second one and why...

The Ibos are the most staunch one Nigerianists

Don't let their Biafra tantrums fool you.

AntiZikist:
Revolution ?

What you should expect is pure anarchy like what we are witnessing in Haiti with criminal gangs taking over the country.

Dey play

AntiZikist:


The Ibos are the most staunch one Nigerianists

Don't let their Biafra tantrums fool you.

Abeg relax, u are drifting bro ...

Minsk24:

Abeg relax, u are drifting bro ...

Ok oh

Don't say I didn't warn you

AntiZikist:
Ok oh
Don't say I didn't warn you

You make very strong points and are based on facts which is easy to see for anyone who is really honest

AntiZikist:


Ok oh

Don't say I didn't warn you

I am igbo, the biafran war has created a secessionist sentiment in the minds of my people, igbos are also ready to see Nigeria work but still u cannot erase the memories of the civil war quickly...

Minsk24:

I am igbo, the biafran war has created a secessionist sentiment in the minds of my people, igbos are also ready to see Nigeria work but still u cannot erase the memories of the civil war quickly...

The memories of the civil war you cling to are all lies .

You were the aggressors who bit too much of what they could handle.

If your war generation sat you down and told you the truth , you will be begging the Niger Delta people for what you did to us.

The coup of 1966, Ironsi's decree 34 and the declaration of Biafra with the annexed Niger Delta parts and invasion and occupation of old Midwest are testament of your ambitions to hold on to the SS as your inherited colonies handed down by the British.

It's no wonder why you guys are cheering the ongoing genocide and population displacement of Palestinians .



You attempted same under Biafra and so it isn't no surprise that only you guys alongside those who are colonial settlers (US, UK, Canada, NZ and Australia) that were into genocidal land grabbing are the only ones rooting for Israel.

AntiZikist:


The memories of the civil war you cling to are all lies .

You were the aggressors who bit too much of what they could handle.

If your war generation sat you down and told you the truth , you will be begging the Niger Delta people for what you did to us.

The coup of 1966, Ironsi's decree 34 and the declaration of Biafra with the annexed Niger Delta parts and invasion and occupation of old Midwest are testament of your ambitions to hold on to the SS as your inherited colonies handed down by the British.

It's no wonder why you guys are cheering the ongoing genocide and population displacement of Palestinians .



You attempted same under Biafra and so it isn't no surprise that only you guys alongside those who are colonial settlers (US, UK, Canada, NZ and Australia) that were into genocidal land grabbing are the only ones rooting for Israel.

I agree with you, we made a strategic mistake to coerce majority of the niger-delta , and all the atrocities we committed...
But u must understand that this is the way of the world, the strong will dominate the weak, states cannot be built solely on ethnic lines, stronger ethnicities will dominate and absorb weak ones to create larger states , larger states in turn are beneficial to civilization on the long run....
When the time is right, igbos will apologize to the niger delta and work closely, our destinies are intertwined,no matter the hate in ur heart now, these emotions must be put aside for bigger gains in future...
Ignore ipob and co, they do not represent the igbos...
The rise of the igbos is inevitable at some point, a large nation of over 30 million people will eventually wake-up, and with the SS in close proximity, there's much to gain in becoming Friends and partners once again....
Look at the world, nations have fought bitter wars and still come together for strategic reasons at the right time...i am looking for a better and bigger future of a renewed igbo-SS friendship

Minsk24:

I agree with you, we made a strategic mistake to coerce majority of the niger-delta , and all the atrocities we committed...
But u must understand that this is the way of the world, the strong will dominate the weak, states cannot be built solely on ethnic lines, stronger ethnicities will dominate and absorb weak ones to create larger states , larger states in turn are beneficial to civilization on the long run....
When the time is right, igbos will apologize to the niger delta and work closely, our destinies are intertwined,no matter the hate in ur heart now, these emotions must be put aside for bigger gains in future...
Ignore ipob and co, they do not represent the igbos...
The rise of the igbos is inevitable at some point, a large nation of over 30 million people will eventually wake-up, and with the SS in close proximity, there's much to gain in becoming Friends and partners once again....
Look at the world, nations have fought bitter wars and still come together for strategic reasons at the right time...i am looking for a better and bigger future of a renewed igbo-SS friendship

That's all mouth salad because majority of your people subscribe to ipob doctrine and see the SS as their territory to conquer

I used to be naive to assume an alliance can be formed between the SS and SE but having listened and read what your people post online and their refusal to accept the minority ethnic groups as proud nationals of their own heritage and how most Ibos refuse to even recognise SS as a seperate geopolitcal zone, I have concluded that it is our land and resources you are aiming for and given that you support genocide to claim land , I am sorry to say no meaningful trust can come from us.

Your antecedents shows you have never repented nor relented from your ambition to dispose the SS people of their lands.

AntiZikist:



That's all mouth salad because majority of your people subscribe to ipob doctrine and see the SS as their territory to conquer

I used to be naive to assume an alliance can be formed between the SS and SE but having listened and read what your people post online and their refusal to accept the minority ethnic groups as proud nationals of their own heritage and how most Ibos refuse to even recognise SS as a seperate geopolitcal zone, I have concluded that it is our land and resources you are aiming for and given that you support genocide to claim land , I am sorry to say no meaningful trust can come from us.

Your antecedents shows you have never repented nor relented from your ambition to dispose the SS people of their lands.

It is even more naive to rely on people's opinion to inform your decision, on social media, anybody can say what they want, ipob has also brainwashed lots of my people and it is very sad to see....
That been said, the only thing that can inform a critical thinker is to see what political moves are bn made, and for now, there is none ...
Nigeria as a political entity might not last forever, therefore it is imperative that we must get along , even within the context of the Nigerian state, we have similar political aims and voting patterns, such can be harnessed....
The igbos in SS are not bn mistreated, a huge chunk of them have developed their own identities, while this hurts the igbo nation coz its a symbol of our fall from grace, such trivial things cannot prevent reasonable partnership between our people's...
An igbo-SS alliance is a must, it will happen in due time, and with the SS bn a heterogenous region, it makes it easier to find allies, build up and grow from there...
Imagine how close our major cities are, this can be harnessed, Port-Harcourt is stone throw from ABA, U have umuahia, enugu on a single lane axis .. umuahia has links with some cities in akwa ibom...the closeness of big cities can be harnessed for economic growth, and in due time, all these will trump the painful memories of the civil war...

caye:
There will be no revolution in its pure sense in Nigeria. Revolution requires that the PPL to lead it and the followers be:-

- intellectual at the minimal level
- be honest
- ready to make sacrifices
- work together by putting the group vision above personal sentiments or emotions
-have both short and ultimately long term visions.


We don't have it here in Nigeria. Only blind anarchy like in Liberia or Sierra Leone of 1990-2004 can be the result.

that number 3 is what is killing us in Nigeria

If we talk about revolution n it implies we kill the thieves

Many igbos will tell u tinubu n atiku should b killed but obi should b spared

Imagine

Revolution can never happen when many are still emotional about their tribe or tribesmen

If we all agree they are thieves then let all b thieves n vice versa

Minsk24:

It is even more naive to rely on people's opinion to inform your decision, on social media, anybody can say what they want, ipob has also brainwashed lots of my people and it is very sad to see....
That been said, the only thing that can inform a critical thinker is to see what political moves are bn made, and for now, there is none ...
Nigeria as a political entity might not last forever, therefore it is imperative that we must get along , even within the context of the Nigerian state, we have similar political aims and voting patterns, such can be harnessed....
The igbos in SS are not bn mistreated, a huge chunk of them have developed their own identities, while this hurts the igbo nation coz its a symbol of our fall from grace, such trivial things cannot prevent reasonable partnership between our people's...
An igbo-SS alliance is a must, it will happen in due time, and with the SS bn a heterogenous region, it makes it easier to find allies, build up and grow from there...
Imagine how close our major cities are, this can be harnessed, Port-Harcourt is stone throw from ABA, U have umuahia, enugu on a single lane axis .. umuahia has links with some cities in akwa ibom...the closeness of big cities can be harnessed for economic growth, and in due time, all these will trump the painful memories of the civil war...

Just focus on your Biafra without us.


It's obvious that you are the ones desperate for a political alliance.

If Nigeria breaks up , we will go our seperate ways rather than be yoked by you guys who will turn us to the new Palestinians .

Goodnewsforlife:
that number 3 is what is killing us in Nigeria

If we talk about revolution n it implies we kill the thieves

Many igbos will tell u tinubu n atiku should b killed but obi should b spared

Imagine

Revolution can never happen when many are still emotional about their tribe or tribesmen

If we all agree they are thieves then let all b thieves n vice versa

That's how their Jan 15 military coup revolution only targeted non Ibos in government and the military.

They want a revolution to cut across Nigeria sparring their rogue leaders and politicians but targeting leaders and politicians of other tribes.


And when you call them out on this , they label you a tribalist .


Who do they think they are fooling ?