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Re: Why I Demanded Return Of Tithe From My Former Church – Abuja Man by johnog4sure: 9:35pm On Mar 17
GreatAchiever1:


Yes all those religion you mentioned that I'm judging, Yes, they will not enter heaven EXCEPT if they repent and believe in the Son, Jesus, This is the will of God. I'm not sure you take time to study your bible to know what you're claiming, you seem to cherry-pick bible verse alot without understanding and it's probably because maybe you may have irritation to the Christian faith because of what some false preachers have made Christianity to look like but that is no excuse to turn away from Christianity and look at it with some sort of disdain.

You say I'm the judge, as long as what I'm saying is what the bible says, then you can call me what you want. And for sinners, we are all sinners that is why we need a saviour and that is Jesus who came to die a substitutionary death for us in order to reconcile us to the Father, but that same Jesus, other religions don't accept who He is, and you claim they will go to heaven, I really don't know who is giving you these false beliefs but I will advice you to desist from such.

I'm not looking for converts, my own is just to preach Christ and proclaim the bible as the authoritative word of God as the absolute truth. And my guy what you claim to say as "truth" is nothing but lies as far as scripture is concerned and is damnable to someone soul.
I pray you repent from it and come to the true knowledge of Christ.
I don't see any love in a god that will create billions of people then enjoy the pleasure of watching them roast in hell forever, that sounds like description of Satan to me.
Even one of your televangelist in his later life preached the truth, that anyone who DO what Christ says even if they have not heard of Christ are fine, why will God place people in deserted jungles in Namibia, Amazon, Cambodia and still roast them in hell because they have not heard of a Jewish man who died 2000 yrs ago, (statistics shows that people who live in isolated place on earth makes up to 10% of our entire population) my brother use your brain! Religion is man made.
Talking about me not studying the bible is hilarious, born into a Christian family, went to multiple bible school, became a pastor, etc. Genesis to revelation not less than 4 times (thorough study not reading) read bible in Hebrew, Aramaic study under a rabbi...
Why making yourself judge when Jesus himself did not make himself one, John 12:46-47 and John 8:15. What should I repent from? From knowing the truth and exposing falsehood? Abi from using my brain as religious people don't use theirs?
Why are you having problem with the TRUTH which is doing away with religious doctrines but embracing LOVE. ?
Re: Why I Demanded Return Of Tithe From My Former Church – Abuja Man by lookingfly: 9:35pm On Mar 17
Okortor:
A fool will always remain a fool, why not also demand full refund from all the oloshos you have slept with.......you guys see Christianity as a joke because of its peaceful and Christlike nature. Can you try such with the head slammer's religion?
Wetin bring olosho for this talk
Re: Why I Demanded Return Of Tithe From My Former Church – Abuja Man by Petah(m): 9:50pm On Mar 17
kingxsamz:


Yes! When your god actually does it, let me know.
smiles. May God open your eyes amen.
Re: Why I Demanded Return Of Tithe From My Former Church – Abuja Man by armyofone(m): 9:53pm On Mar 17
Nigeria Pastors and miracle staging!

The staging and packaging of miracles made them rich anyway.

Good thing he is asking for his money grin

He saved the money in the church - church should give him back his money.
Re: Why I Demanded Return Of Tithe From My Former Church – Abuja Man by kingxsamz(m): 10:02pm On Mar 17
Petah:
smiles. May God open your eyes amen.

And may your eyes be open to the sham that is religion.
Re: Why I Demanded Return Of Tithe From My Former Church – Abuja Man by Petah(m): 10:09pm On Mar 17
kingxsamz:


And may your eyes be open to the sham that is religion.
is serving God, religion?
I guess when the mind isn't open, it isnt open.
Re: Why I Demanded Return Of Tithe From My Former Church – Abuja Man by wiseoneking: 10:15pm On Mar 17
Nwodosis:
But knowing the truth that the miracles are staged is another miracle on its own.
I wanna use you to stage miracle in my church. Give me your number.
Re: Why I Demanded Return Of Tithe From My Former Church – Abuja Man by GreatAchiever1: 10:33pm On Mar 17
johnog4sure:

I don't see any love in a god that will create billions of people then enjoy the pleasure of watching them roast in hell forever, that sounds like description of Satan to me.
Even one of your televangelist in his later life preached the truth, that anyone who DO what Christ says even if they have not heard of Christ are fine, why will God place people in deserted jungles in Namibia, Amazon, Cambodia and still roast them in hell because they have not heard of a Jewish man who died 2000 yrs ago, (statistics shows that people who live in isolated place on earth makes up to 10% of our entire population) my brother use your brain! Religion is man made.
Talking about me not studying the bible is hilarious, born into a Christian family, went to multiple bible school, became a pastor, etc. Genesis to revelation not less than 4 times (thorough study not reading) read bible in Hebrew, Aramaic study under a rabbi...
Why making yourself judge when Jesus himself did not make himself one, John 12:46-47 and John 8:15. What should I repent from? From knowing the truth and exposing falsehood? Abi from using my brain as religious people don't use theirs?
Why are you having problem with the TRUTH which is doing away with religious doctrines but embracing LOVE. ?

You just want to justify universalism and probably transdispensationalism which is anti-scriptural and kills evangelism to the ends of the earth. And I know the televangelist you're talking about and I don't agree with his beliefs especially those concerning ecumenical oneness with other religions hence his beliefs in universalism in his later life.

You claim you are well learned in the bible yet you sound like someone whose bent on criticising what you just read, again I believe you have been influenced by some certain false beliefs springing up, hence I read about people who claim to either leave Christianity, "deconstruct their faith" or believe in a so called "Universal Christ" and the way you keep emphasising on Love, Maybe who knows you've read a book called Love wins, which I know is straight up nonsense (haven't read it but from the advertisement of it, I knew it was). You say you don't see love in a god who will create people and then condemn them to eternal punishment, since you claim to be learned go read up on theology proper (doctrine of God) , anthropology (doctrine of man) and harmartiology (doctrine of sin) etc.

There are Christian missionaries who God has used and is still using to bring the gospel to these places, many lost their lives in the process (Jim Elliot, go read about his biography) but still God is calling believers to spread the gospel of Christ to the ends of the earth.

And also lest I forget, Jesus is also coming to judge the world, Matthew 25:31 - 46.
Re: Why I Demanded Return Of Tithe From My Former Church – Abuja Man by honestivo(m): 10:47pm On Mar 17
Confused man
Re: Why I Demanded Return Of Tithe From My Former Church – Abuja Man by Melagros(m): 10:56pm On Mar 17
Geovanni412:


Don't confuse Christianity with churchianism

I advise you to listen to Pastor Abel Damina

There is no relationship between giving tithes and making money

Christianity is about loving your neighbour.

Jesus Christ was not a rich man in earthly possessions but he was rich with wisdom and things of the spirit.

Listen to Pastor Abel Damina and change.
For sure
Re: Why I Demanded Return Of Tithe From My Former Church – Abuja Man by kingxsamz(m): 11:00pm On Mar 17
Petah:
is serving God, religion?
I guess when the mind isn't open, it isnt open.

Which god are you serving? What's its name?
Re: Why I Demanded Return Of Tithe From My Former Church – Abuja Man by Clinton207: 11:00pm On Mar 17
The man was never born again, its obvious he joined church to see miracles in some Areas of his life, but never truly sort after God .

Change, miracles and all you expect from God has principles to unavailing them.
People seek miracles but fail to seek the God behind miracles. Matt 6:33 is a core principle.

I pray the Lord redeems this young man and his entire household back to himself in Jesus name.

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Re: Why I Demanded Return Of Tithe From My Former Church – Abuja Man by Petah(m): 7:20am On Mar 18
kingxsamz:


Which god are you serving? What's its name?
Clinton207:
The man was never born again, its obvious he joined church to see miracles in some Areas of his life, but never truly sort after God .

Change, miracles and all you expect from God has principles to unavailing them.
People seek miracles but fail to seek the God behind miracles. Matt 6:33 is a core principle.

I pray the Lord redeems this young man and his entire household back to himself in Jesus name.
Re: Why I Demanded Return Of Tithe From My Former Church – Abuja Man by kingxsamz(m): 9:27am On Mar 18
[quote author=Petah post=128980156][/quote]

I ask again, What's the name of the god you're serving?
Re: Why I Demanded Return Of Tithe From My Former Church – Abuja Man by johnog4sure: 10:54am On Mar 18
GreatAchiever1:


You just want to justify universalism and probably transdispensationalism which is anti-scriptural and kills evangelism to the ends of the earth. And I know the televangelist you're talking about and I don't agree with his beliefs especially those concerning ecumenical oneness with other religions hence his beliefs in universalism in his later life.

You claim you are well learned in the bible yet you sound like someone whose bent on criticising what you just read, again I believe you have been influenced by some certain false beliefs springing up, hence I read about people who claim to either leave Christianity, "deconstruct their faith" or believe in a so called "Universal Christ" and the way you keep emphasising on Love, Maybe who knows you've read a book called Love wins, which I know is straight up nonsense (haven't read it but from the advertisement of it, I knew it was). You say you don't see love in a god who will create people and then condemn them to eternal punishment, since you claim to be learned go read up on theology proper (doctrine of God) , anthropology (doctrine of man) and harmartiology (doctrine of sin) etc.

There are Christian missionaries who God has used and is still using to bring the gospel to these places, many lost their lives in the process (Jim Elliot, go read about his biography) but still God is calling believers to spread the gospel of Christ to the ends of the earth.

And also lest I forget, Jesus is also coming to judge the world, Matthew 25:31 - 46.
At this point its obvious me and you can never agree, just like my earlier analogy of tobacco smokers, this is why we consider religious people dangerous to humanity, they usually strongly believe in genocidal philosophy especially monotheists(Islam, Christianity, Judaism), you are ok with your god roasting billions of people in hell, but you having problem practising LOVE your neighbor as yourself as your christ preached. I dont know what you mean by universalism but I find no fault in LOVE (Galatians 5:22-24, 1 Corinthians 13:5) but I can see many things wrong with Religion, some of which I have pointed out here.

I have not read the book you talked about, and I cant think of any external influence to my thought process, materials I consumed even re-enforces my believe in Christ, but I am somebody who is open minded, and questions everything(1 John 4:1-5) something many of you under religious captivity are afraid to do. You further proved to me how close minded you are by calling a book you have not read 'nonsense', and your Christ is no longer 'universal'? he did not die for the world? he died for selected people like you? I will check out those materials you asked me to read, I am not close-minded like religious people I am willing to learn and grow.

My point is do away with religious indoctrination, it is man(men) trying to control their fellow men... I wonder why love is a problem but indoctrination is not a problem to you, that is narcissistic.
Re: Why I Demanded Return Of Tithe From My Former Church – Abuja Man by luckydion(m): 11:19am On Mar 18
Reading this post in b/w lines, this guy will still move from tradition, He said "many things are wrong in the tradition"

what he tends to practice is not the known tradition, it is atheism/agnosticism or both. For now he doesn't have fact: according to the post below


Good01:


https://punchng.com/why-i-demanded-return-of-tithe-from-my-former-church-abuja-man/
Re: Why I Demanded Return Of Tithe From My Former Church – Abuja Man by Ilora0550: 11:36am On Mar 18
When the Pharisees asked Jesus for a sign from heaven he said, evil and unfaithful people look for a miraculous sign. But the only sign they will be given is that of Jonah. You were equally not born again and looking for a miracle like the Pharisees. Therefore, except indeed you give your life to Christ, the only sign that will be given to you is the resurrection of the saint but It will be too late. You were working for the Lord with the mindset of seeking signs, the only sign that will be given to you is the resurrection of the saint but It will be too late. You were listing the tithes you were given to the church with the mindset of seeking signs, the only sign that will be given to you is the resurrection of the saint but It will be too late.
Good01:


https://punchng.com/why-i-demanded-return-of-tithe-from-my-former-church-abuja-man/
Re: Why I Demanded Return Of Tithe From My Former Church – Abuja Man by GreatAchiever1: 1:11pm On Mar 18
johnog4sure:
At this point its obvious me and you can never agree, just like my earlier analogy of tobacco smokers, this is why we consider religious people dangerous to humanity, they usually strongly believe in genocidal philosophy especially monotheists(Islam, Christianity, Judaism), you are ok with your god roasting billions of people in hell, but you having problem practising LOVE your neighbor as yourself as your christ preached. I dont know what you mean by universalism but I find no fault in LOVE (Galatians 5:22-24, 1 Corinthians 13:5) but I can see many things wrong with Religion, some of which I have pointed out here.

I have not read the book you talked about, and I cant think of any external influence to my thought process, materials I consumed even re-enforces my believe in Christ, but I am somebody who is open minded, and questions everything(1 John 4:1-5) something many of you under religious captivity are afraid to do. You further proved to me how close minded you are by calling a book you have not read 'nonsense', and your Christ is no longer 'universal'? he did not die for the world? he died for selected people like you? I will check out those materials you asked me to read, I am not close-minded like religious people I am willing to learn and grow.

My point is do away with religious indoctrination, it is man(men) trying to control their fellow men... I wonder why love is a problem but indoctrination is not a problem to you, that is narcissistic.

You always keep emphasising on religious people, I hope you're not one of those who claim "I am spiritual and not religious", because this is exactly what they clamour for, Love, even though they don't seem to understand love.
In fact, it is even because of this said love, that if we see one who is going the wrong way, we tend to point it out to them but they will come back and respond to us that we are judging them, whereas we are trying to help them so that they won't damn their souls, but they tag us "judgemental".

You claim I'm not open-minded, I laugh, I'm very much open minded to different things about life, but for the fact I'm open minded that doesn't mind I should be stupid, if any thing is contrary to scripture, I don't accept it, I don't confirm to the ways of this world or this age, because the spirit and sons of disobedience is clearly working overtime to bring his plans to fruition.

You said you don't know what universalism is, but in a quick summary, it is exactly what you've been clamouring for, that in the end, we would all make it to heaven because God is Love and wouldn't want to condemn anyone. This is why doctrine matters and theology is very important, so that one can easily see this is a flat lie from the pit of hell. By the way, what I mentioned previously about harmartiology, anthropology etc is not a book but are branches of systematic theology, there are about 9 or 10 branches I think. You should have a good biblical systematic theology, it will help you. But if you want a brief material to explain what I mean by what the seriousness of sin actually means in a man's life and why God hates it and His wrath must be poured out on it, whether on the sinner who dies in his sin or on Christ who died a substitutionary death. Check out the sermon preached by Jonathan Edwards titled "Sinners in the hands of an angry God", it's on the internet, I could help you with the pdf and audio, if you're interested and having difficulty finding it online.

Its seems you don't even know what universal Christ means, it's an extension of what universalism is. In the atonement of Christ, I believe in what is called the definite atonement, which can also mean Christ's purposeful atonement and I'd summarize it to say it means He died to save His sheep (the elect), to effect reconciliation and redemption for his people, and thus is seen in Christ intercessory prayer in John 17:6-12.
Christ propitiation on the cross is unlimited in its sufficiency, but in making atonement for the whole world, this efficacy does not apply to the whole world.
So when I say Jesus died for the whole world, I don't mean, He died for all men that everyone who lived will be saved in the end (universalism), I mean all men who are in different part of the world of the world that are in Christ will be saved (Jesus is for everybody).

And lastly, in the 4 gospels, we see that Jesus in His earthly ministry preached about hell and repentance more than any other thing, so tell me why will he preached on hell if at the end all men who ever lived will be saved and won't go to hell. You quote a very good passage on testing the spirits yet you don't have a good discerning mind and I believe it's because of you are confirming to the ways and beliefs of the world.
Re: Why I Demanded Return Of Tithe From My Former Church – Abuja Man by johnog4sure: 2:18pm On Mar 18
GreatAchiever1:


You always keep emphasising on religious people, I hope you're not one of those who claim "I am spiritual and not religious", because this is exactly what they clamour for, Love, even though they don't seem to understand love.
In fact, it is even because of this said love, that if we see one who is going the wrong way, we tend to point it out to them but they will come back and respond to us that we are judging them, whereas we are trying to help them so that they won't damn their souls, but they tag us "judgemental".

You claim I'm not open-minded, I laugh, I'm very much open minded to different things about life, but for the fact I'm open minded that doesn't mind I should be stupid, if any thing is contrary to scripture, I don't accept it, I don't confirm to the ways of this world or this age, because the spirit and sons of disobedience is clearly working overtime to bring his plans to fruition.

You said you don't know what universalism is, but in a quick summary, it is exactly what you've been clamouring for, that in the end, we would all make it to heaven because God is Love and wouldn't want to condemn anyone. This is why doctrine matters and theology is very important, so that one can easily see this is a flat lie from the pit of hell. By the way, what I mentioned previously about harmartiology, anthropology etc is not a book but are branches of systematic theology, there are about 9 or 10 branches I think. You should have a good biblical systematic theology, it will help you. But if you want a brief material to explain what I mean by what the seriousness of sin actually means in a man's life and why God hates it and His wrath must be poured out on it, whether on the sinner who dies in his sin or on Christ who died a substitutionary death. Check out the sermon preached by Jonathan Edwards titled "Sinners in the hands of an angry God", it's on the internet, I could help you with the pdf and audio, if you're interested and having difficulty finding it online.

Its seems you don't even know what universal Christ means, it's an extension of what universalism is. In the atonement of Christ, I believe in what is called the definite atonement, which can also mean Christ's purposeful atonement and I'd summarize it to say it means He died to save His sheep (the elect), to effect reconciliation and redemption for his people, and thus is seen in Christ intercessory prayer in John 17:6-12.
Christ propitiation on the cross is unlimited in its sufficiency, but in making atonement for the whole world, this efficacy does not apply to the whole world.
So when I say Jesus died for the whole world, I don't mean, He died for all men that everyone who lived will be saved in the end (universalism), I mean all men who are in different part of the world of the world that are in Christ will be saved (Jesus is for everybody).

And lastly, in the 4 gospels, we see that Jesus in His earthly ministry preached about hell and repentance more than any other thing, so tell me why will he preached on hell if at the end all men who ever lived will be saved and won't go to hell. You quote a very good passage on testing the spirits yet you don't have a good discerning mind and I believe it's because of you are confirming to the ways and beliefs of the world.
pls read out what you typed here and see how delusional you sound, from Christ for elect and everybody confusion up there. I believe, you are a preacher/pastor, that book you recommended is one of the favourite materials Pentecostal preachers use in imprison themselves and their followers. I should have stopped this when you said if not that white man introduced Jesus you would have perished in Hell. Pathetic, pls sink in your delusion, I am glad that the younger generation are waking up, and saying No to religious captivity. Nigerian churches will soon be deserted as it is now in Europe and America better find something else to do with your life. Bye!
Re: Why I Demanded Return Of Tithe From My Former Church – Abuja Man by GreatAchiever1: 6:40pm On Mar 18
johnog4sure:
pls read out what you typed here and see how delusional you sound, from Christ for elect and everybody confusion up there. I believe, you are a preacher/pastor, that book you recommended is one of the favourite materials Pentecostal preachers use in imprison themselves and their followers. I should have stopped this when you said if not that white man introduced Jesus you would have perished in Hell. Pathetic, pls sink in your delusion, I am glad that the younger generation are waking up, and saying No to religious captivity. Nigerian churches will soon be deserted as it is now in Europe and America better find something else to do with your life. Bye!

It's confusion to you because you don't understand, you don't understand because your mind is totally depraved. No, I'm not a preacher nor a pastor (I never climb pulpit before in my life), I'm just a random guy who believes solely that the bible is the authoritative word of God and I uphold it as the absolute truth and Christ as the only way to eternal salvation.
I have never seen/heard a Pentecostal preacher (in Nigeria) give reference to that book before, and if they did, then good for them.
If you want to follow your African or any other mystical religion, then I can't help you there. But atleast I have presented the truth to you.

And for some people as you claim leaving "religious captivity", do you think we Christians are bothered, the bible said that it will happen in 2 Timothy 4:2-4; and it goes on to say we shouldn't relent, but keep striving to do the work of an evangelist.

I agree with you that people leaving churches in America is on the high side (I've come across the statistics before) but God's people will endure and by His Grace will persevere till the end.

Well I leave you with your tickled ears since you want to go down that road.
Re: Why I Demanded Return Of Tithe From My Former Church – Abuja Man by akaahs(m): 6:58am On Mar 19
Good01:


https://punchng.com/why-i-demanded-return-of-tithe-from-my-former-church-abuja-man/
Instead of you to find Jesus in the scriptures since He is the word, John 1:1-2. Get more acquainted with Jesus instead of going back to traditional ways.

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