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Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by Steep: 2:50pm On Mar 24
Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings of Paul are accursed?


The defeaning silence on those who people supposedly regard as God's generals is very telling on perhaps who they truly are and who they serve.
When Mr freeze began his online campaign against tithing they all were condemning him and label him as an enemy of Christianity, note that freeze himself is not of God, but however tithing is not an important doctrine in Christianity.
The important doctrine of Christianity is very, very important salvation by grace through faith in christ alone which was what Paul and the apostle teach, infact that itself is the gospel. That is only through the faith we have in Jesus christ our Lord and saviour we will get to heaven.
Morality and good works or believing there is God is not special to Christianity. What is special to Christianity is the fact the Jesus declared himself as the way not one of the ways, not good works, morality or services rendered to God. Even Paul serve God when he was not a Christian, but he realised that all his works where poopoo and that he absolutely need the blood of Jesus, he needed the righteousness of God in christ which only is given to those that recieve Jesus christ, this right here separate Christianity from other false religion.
Other religions teaches man can save himself through his effort, they teach human dependency rather than God dependency,
The prophet Jerimiah said that woe is the person that trust in flesh.

Jeremiah 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

Hanna said that by strength shall no flesh prevail.

1 Samuel 2:9 He will keep the feet of his saints, and the wicked shall be silent in darkness; for by strength shall no man prevail.

Thank God for us Christians Christ died for us.

Paul send when we were yet without strength I due course christ died for the ungodly.

Some antichrists are fighting and trying to oppose this message because they are jealous of the liberty thar christ has given to us Christians and are trying to return us back to bondage, Satan is aiding by given them visions and inspirations.


Every Christianity must reject false teachers and their antics totally, they are wolf in sheep clothing.

The apostles and prophets builded on the foundation Jesus himself is the chief corner stone of the foundation.

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.


1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;


If any man decide to start building on another foundation he is cursed.


I am not the one saying it is the apostle Paul through the Holy ghost saying it.

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.


Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

We as Christians should be prepared to defend the gospel not our pastor or church or denomination. The gospel is more important than all general overseers,apostles, popes, bishops etc. Why? It is by the gospel we were saved and the faith of unbelievers lies with what they do with the gospel.

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Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by meum: 3:10pm On Mar 24
As Christians, reading the Bible and asking for understanding from the spirit of God should be our practice not listening to the interpretation of all these men.

Over the years, I had disagreed with a man of God on certain interpretations on the scripture, today he has changed his position and now preaches some of the things I knew long time ago. Forget most of these church owners, they are businessmen

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Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by Bestbrain123(m): 3:11pm On Mar 24
Why are most christians selfish and self rightous, when you don't go to their special church.. You automatically turn a sinner to them.. They judge you base on the church you go and what they teach you there... Thats total selfishness must everything be done just according to personal believe or doctrine..? I fine it hypocritical

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Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by Steep: 3:26pm On Mar 24
meum:
As Christians, reading the Bible and asking for understanding from the spirit of God should be our practice not listening to the interpretation of all these men.

Over the years, I had disagreed with a man of God on certain interpretations on the scripture, today he has changed his position and now preaches some of the things I knew long time ago. Forget most of these church owners, they are businessmen
It is so sad what we have in Nigeria churches today. Many people who go to church does not even know their left from their right.
Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by Steep: 3:27pm On Mar 24
Bestbrain123:
Why are most christians selfish and self rightous, when you don't go to their special church.. You automatically turn a sinner to them.. They judge you base on the church you go and what they teach you there... Thats total selfishness must everything be done just according to personal believe or doctrine..? I fine it hypocritical
some churches if you go there they will like for you to rebaptize again, they are cults.

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Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by Lucifyre: 3:28pm On Mar 24
LoL! Show me just 2 christains who agree on the interpretation of the bible from cover to cover and uld have seen a miracle.
Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by Veecruz: 5:16pm On Mar 24
Bestbrain123:
Why are most christians selfish and self rightous, when you don't go to their special church.. You automatically turn a sinner to them.. They judge you base on the church you go and what they teach you there... Thats total selfishness must everything be done just according to personal believe or doctrine..? I fine it hypocritical

Those are not Christians but churchgoers and the church marketers.

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Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:56am On Mar 25
Lucifyre:
LoL! Show me just 2 christains who agree on the interpretation of the bible from cover to cover and uld have seen a miracle.
Go throughout the whole world and see millions of Jehovah's Witnesses with the same line of thought just as Jesus and Paul urged us! John 17:20-23; 1Corinthians 1:10

If you're thinking people claiming Christians from different religions then you're deceiving yourself because whatever makes the religion differs then the Gods they serve differs! smiley
Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by Kobojunkie: 3:34am On Mar 25
Bestbrain123:
Why are most christians selfish and self rightous, when you don't go to their special church.. You automatically turn a sinner to them.. They judge you base on the church you go and what they teach you there... Thats total selfishness must everything be done just according to personal believe or doctrine..? I fine it hypocritical
The religion of Christianity alone boasts of over 47000 divisions/denominations/sects, each of them vying for supremacy of doctrine and ritual. What do you expect? With over 47,000 gods worshipped in the one religion alone, expect that each group would comprise people acting as though their god is the greatest of all the rest. undecided
Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by Kobojunkie: 3:37am On Mar 25
Lucifyre:
LoL! Show me just 2 christains who agree on the interpretation of the bible from cover to cover and uld have seen a miracle.
I am glad you indicated that it is their many interpretations of the actual content of Scripture that is where the problem comes from.
Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by Lucifyre: 5:10pm On Mar 25
MaxInDHouse:

Go throughout the whole world and see millions of Jehovah's Witnesses with the same line of thought just as Jesus and Paul urged us! John 17:20-23; 1Corinthians 1:10

If you're thinking people claiming Christians from different religions then you're deceiving yourself because whatever makes the religion differs then the Gods they serve differs! smiley

Yeah right, i forgot jws are the only christain sect on the planet. Why millions, why not billions . Clown take.
Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by Lucifyre: 5:49pm On Mar 25
Kobojunkie:
I am glad you indicated that it is their many interpretations of the actual content of Scripture that is where the problem comes from.

It's not like there's any objective interpretation of the book, basically non exists. What you get is half or say pseudo-objectivity at best. The interpretations are basically just a symptom of the major problem which is the Kafkaesque nature of the book itself. A book where a decent portion of it is contradictory to the messages its trying to pass across, historically, socio culturally and politically inaccurate for the most part. A book selectively compiled of different books over a thousand year period written by god knows how many writers of which there's a lot of pseudopigraphy involved, some books written by more than an author and passed as a singular author. Original manuscripts lost and what u have are basically copies of copies of copies of copies with parts missing in some and non existent parts in the rest inserted into others. Lots of missing historical, socio cultural, ethnic and political context and dynamics of the times. Nor the thought process of the writer or the genre in which written taken into context. Godspeed applying any objectivity to such a book.
Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:06pm On Mar 25
Lucifyre:

Yeah right, i forgot jws are the only christain sect on the planet. Why millions, why not billions . Clown take.

You asked for TWO but i presented millions of Witnesses in our time {Hebrews 12:1 compare to Act 1:8} and Jesus told us that we will be little in number compare to those that will be destroyed! smiley
Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by Kobojunkie: 6:25pm On Mar 25
Lucifyre:
■ It's not like there's any objective interpretation of the book, basically non exists. What you get is half or say pseudo-objectivity at best. The interpretations are basically just a symptom of the major problem which is the Kafkaesque nature of the book itself. A book where a decent portion of it is contradictory to the messages its trying to pass across, historically, socio culturally and politically inaccurate for the most part. A book selectively compiled of different books over a thousand year period written by god knows how many writers of which there's a lot of pseudographia involved, some books written by more than an author and passed as a singular author. Original manuscripts lost and what u have are basically copies of copies of copies of copies with parts missing in some and non existent parts in the rest inserted into others. Lots of missing historical, socio cultural, ethnic and political context and dynamics of the times. Nor the thought process of the writer or the genre in which written taken into context. Godspeed applying any objectivity to such a book.
The problem isn't the book even as we have it today. The problem is the notion that every person who reads the book can then assert his or her private interpretation of what is clearly stated in each of the contained books by the different authors over different times. undecided
Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by Lucifyre: 6:59pm On Mar 25
MaxInDHouse:


You asked for TWO but i presented millions of Witnesses in our time {Hebrews 12:1 compare to Act 1:8} and Jesus told us that we will be little in number compare to those that will be destroyed! smiley

Lol! As objective fact or disillusioned imaginative info propped up by confirmation bias.
Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:21pm On Mar 25
Lucifyre:

Lol! As objective fact or disillusioned imaginative info propped up by confirmation bias.

Atheists like you don't appreciate the truth at least i have presented to you an organization numbering millions where you can find people having the same line of thought about what the Bible teaches.

That's enough! wink
Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by Lucifyre: 8:42pm On Mar 25
Kobojunkie:
The problem isn't the book even as we have it today. The problem is the notion that every person who reads the book can then assert his or her private interpretation of what is clearly stated in each of the contained books by the different authors over different times. undecided


If a book has multiple possible varied decutions when its claim is a singular one then problem's not the people but the book. No one reads the epic of gilgamesh or other epics or say the decent of Ishtar and comes to extremely varied conclusions even though they're much older than the bible. Even books covering more complex topics like astro physics, time dilation, quantum mechanics have less varied deductions and are more conclusively objective than the "divinely inspired" book. Somehow its mainly and almost always religious texts with this problem. Or is it not the same set of people reading other books and coming to objective conclusions?!
Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by Lucifyre: 8:47pm On Mar 25
MaxInDHouse:


Atheists like you don't appreciate the truth at least i have presented to you an organization numbering millions where you can find people having the same line of thought about what the Bible teaches.

That's enough! wink

First of i'm not an atheist. Secondly how rather convenient what u consider truth is based from ur narrow minded pov and not fact. You have every right to enjoy ur grandeur delusions.
Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by Kobojunkie: 9:35pm On Mar 25
Lucifyre:
if a book has multiple possible varied decutions when its claim is a singular one then problem's not the people but the book.
No one reads the epic of gilgamesh or other epics or say the decent of Ishtar and comes to extremely varied conclusions even though they're much older than the bible.
Even books covering more complex topics like astro physics, time dilation, quantum mechanics have less varied deductions and are more conclusively objective than the "divinely inspired" book. Somehow its mainly and almost always religious texts with this problem. Or is it not the same set of people reading other books and coming to objective conclusions?!
The book does not have any of what you describe at all. undecided

2. I read the Epic of Gilgamesh -- I did so recently too-- actually and I came away believing that there were similarities that existed in one particular idea with the Noah story contained in Scripture but the stories were all too very different at the same time. So, let's stop making this vague connections where no serious contacts even exist.. undecided

3. What exactly are you on about? Am I to take it that you read the book seeking objectivity regarding what exactly? Less varied deductions? What in the world are you on about ? undecided

Look up the meaning of the word "inspired" and tell me what you understanding is then of this "divinely inspired" idea of yours. undecided
Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:14am On Mar 26
Lucifyre:


First of i'm not an atheist. Secondly how rather convenient what u consider truth is based from ur narrow minded pov and not fact. You have every right to enjoy ur grandeur delusions.
Good!
I will enjoy it along with millions lovingly, joyfully and peacefully rather than isolating myself from well meaning people! wink
Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by Lucifyre: 4:22pm On Mar 26
"The book does not have any of what you describe at all"

Yeah... I'm going to press x to trash that. I think its safer for me to rely on proven facts by academic scholars who've all made significant head way in biblical studies than some anonymous rando on the internet that says "No" lol! especially when the central claim and the contradictions to said claim is quite obvious.


"2. I read the Epic of Gilgamesh -- I did so recently too-- actually and I came away believing that there were similarities that existed in one particular idea with the Noah story contained in Scripture but the stories were all too very different at the same time. So, let's stop making this vague connections where no serious contacts even exist.."

Yet again i'ld trash the randos pov and rely on the pov of the life work of academic scholars who have made these connectiions and established how the flood story from the sumerian texts which is the oldest civilization(4000BCE before Genesis texts in about 6th Century BCE)  influenced the same story been retold  by and across other near eastern texts of other mesopotanian civilizations. The isrealites been one of them as they were part and one of other cannanite groups. Except u've conducted your own studies and published it to be accepted by the wider acaedemic community, saying  contrary is just empty noise. I'ld suggest you educate urself, i could recommend books from renouned academic biblical scholars not fundamentalists/ apologists, that's if you want. 😏


"3. What exactly are you on about? Am I to take it that you read the book seeking objectivity regarding what exactly? Less varied deductions? What in the world are you on about ? undecided Look up the meaning of the word "inspired" and tell me what you understanding is then of this "divinely inspired" idea of yours."

Quite sure i was clear enough as you helped me in confirming my point with the 40,000 + denominations you mentioned. If you still don't get it then im sure you could get a dictionary to assist you and maybe also check the meaning of "inspired" alongside your study. Don't forget to mention me if you need those rcommendations. You could start with Dr Bart Ehrman, he's my fav.
Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:38pm On Mar 26
Thanks for your time! wink
Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by Plus1234: 4:55pm On Mar 26
Kobojunkie:
I am glad you indicated that it is their many interpretations of the actual content of Scripture that is where the problem comes from.
gabbage as usual. Mental problems Dey worry you. Sickness of the mind Dey worry you.Keep going after Christianity and watch how you will end badly and you will be miserable in your life.
Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by Kobojunkie: 5:04pm On Mar 26
Plus1234:
gabbage as usual. Mental problems Dey worry you. Sickness of the mind Dey worry you.Keep going after Christianity and watch how you will end badly and you will be miserable in your life.
The many delusions of a gullible sheeple! lipsrsealed
Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by Kobojunkie: 5:13pm On Mar 26
Lucifyre:
...Yet again i'ld trash the randos pov and rely on the pov of the life work of academic scholars who have made these connectiions and established how the flood story from the sumerian texts which is the oldest civilization(4000BCE before Genesis texts in about 6th Century BCE)  influenced the same story been retold  by and across other near eastern texts of other mesopotanian civilizations. The isrealites been one of them as they were part and one of other cannanite groups. Except u've conducted your own studies and published it to be accepted by the wider acaedemic community, saying  contrary is just empty noise. I'ld suggest you educate urself, i could recommend books from renouned academic biblical scholars not fundamentalists/ apologists, that's if you want. 😏....
I see! So you would choose to subscribe only to the views of those among them who have chosen to make a direct connection while ignoring the opinion of others who state that there may seem a connection but not a solid enough one to claim the Gilgamesh epic to be more superior to the account of the flood story written in Scripture? undecided


On an aside, Abraham was himself described as a Mesopotamian who left his father's land to explore the land of the God who called him.
The Hebrew history of the patriarchs indicates that Yahweh selects Abraham and his descendants as his chosen people. Abraham, a Semite living in the northern Mesopotamian city of Haran is the son of Terah, who comes from the city Ur in southern Mesopotamia. He was born in the Sumerian city-state of Ur around 2000 BC. Remember, Sumerians were the earliest culture that was found in Mesopotamia.
interestingly, the captivity of Judah was carried out by the Mesopotamians, the same lands from where Abraham came from.
Babylon was an ancient city located on the lower Euphrates river in southern Mesopotamia, within modern-day Hillah, Babil Governorate, Iraq about 85 kilometers south of modern day Baghdad. Babylon functioned as the main cultural and political centre of the Akkadian-speaking region of Babylonia, with its rulers establishing two important empires in antiquity, namely the 19th–16th century BC Old Babylonian Empire and the 7th–6th century BC Neo-Babylonian Empire, and the city would also be used as a regional capital of other empires, such as the Achaemenid Empire.
Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by gohf: 9:48pm On Mar 29
These guys are also Apostles na abi, they have also done miracles too na abi. I guess they believe they have the right to do so, leave them na. Not like there influence will remove the writings of Paul in the bible.

This is what we should learn and pray against that may we not one day challenge Paul, call Elijah act of calling down fire a prayer to devil.

Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by Steep: 2:11am On Mar 30
gohf:
These guys are also Apostles na abi, they have also done miracles too na abi. I guess they believe they have the right to do so, leave them na. Not like there influence will remove the writings of Paul in the bible.

This is what we should learn and pray against that may we not one day challenge Paul, call Elijah act of calling down fire a prayer to devil.
No, these guys must not be left alone, they are misleading souls to hell. Christians must never keep quiet and allow the devil operate unabated in the church.
Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by gohf: 5:34pm On Mar 30
Steep:
No, these guys must not be left alone, they are misleading souls to hell. Christians must never keep quiet and allow the devil operate unabated in the church.
oh okay o, it just funny when one false teacher who says Elijah prayed to satan corrects another one who questions Apostle Paul, and that one rebukes him for correcting men of God and even the ones in scripture.

Like kettle and pot arguing about who black pass 😂😂😂
Re: Why Apostle Selman, Apostle Suleiman And All Who Oppose Or Reject The Teachings by Steep: 8:06pm On Mar 30
gohf:
oh okay o, it just funny when one false teacher who says Elijah prayed to satan corrects another one who questions Apostle Paul, and that one rebukes him for correcting men of God and even the ones in scripture.

Like kettle and pot arguing about who black pass 😂😂😂
madness. This is pure madness

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