AmuDimpka:


Exactly that is what I am saying...many people in Australia don't even have that money for ticket to come back and they will not invest home...so I don't even envy them...I wish them luck

I want to retire in Nigeria and travel around the world for weeks and come home ...I enjoy Naija

You are so misinformed. How much is ticket that people in Australia cannot afford? Let me shock you, I have not seen one begger in Australia. Whoever the person is, not withstanding his visa status, everyone is OK here. I can get my to and fro ticket fee by working only on Sunday. Australia pays the highest wages when compared to Canada, UK, and even US (in some companies). Use your google and search about it instead of displaying your ignorance online.

AmuDimpka:
I hear you...someone that has her papers and kids there but money to enter flight come Nigeria is an issue

This is the biggest lie ever. You can't be a legal resident in Australia and can't afford commom flight ticket. Tell that to those who have not travelled to Australia before.

AmuDimpka:
after all these...I still have someone that is in Australia for over 10 yrs ...the person seff is finding it hard to secure air ticket to come home with his family


How una dey take look some of us ...una think say we are daft ?

Lies. You don't know what you are talking about

Usefulsense:


For me measure of progress is different.
A toilet cleaner in Australia lives a much better life than the regional manager of Zenith bank in Nigeria.

Preach!

Don't mind those people. They have nothing. Just talking out of jealousy, nothing more.
Ignore them please. May the sky never be your limit. Enjoy your life over there.
I love that country.
Read they pay highest now in nursing job. Is that true?

descarado:

Preach!

Don't mind those people. They have nothing. Just talking out of jealousy, nothing more.
Ignore them please. May the sky never be your limit. Enjoy your life over there.
I love that country.
Read they pay highest now in nursing job. Is that true?

Australia pays the highest wage when compared with UK, Canada, US(in some companies) with minimum tax rate. In June this year, there is going to be a new minimum wage to be implemented with lesser tax rate. You can verify this on Google if you wish.

chidi4sam:


Australia pays the highest wage when compared with UK, Canada, US(in some companies) with minimum tax rate. In June this year, there is going to be a new minimum wage to be implemented with lesser tax rate. You can verify this on Google if you wish.

I saw it. It has been in the news

chidi4sam:


Australia pays the highest wage when compared with UK, Canada, US(in some companies) with minimum tax rate. In June this year, there is going to be a new minimum wage to be implemented with lesser tax rate. You can verify this on Google if you wish.

Thanks for the breakdown.
Seems you live there.

descarado:

Thanks for the breakdown.
Seems you live there.

Yes Sir. Just like the OP, I moved there last December and I am doing really fine. My regret was not moving earlier than now.

Usefulsense:


I saw it. It has been in the news

Why it looks as if nothing is happening here is because people living here live a quiet lifestyle. They don't make noise like those living in other countries. But I bet you, people living in Australia are heavy guys. Not kidding.

Gerrard59:


OK. Point noted.



If the person was a truck pusher or Danfo driver while in Nigeria? Yes. But an accountant who was earning 1.1 million naira doing sheet packing? NO.

Please, let's fear God when we use the phrase "decent life".

Thank you.

oga stop your baseless argument,how much is 1million,what is the quality of life in Nigeria?waking up at 4am and rushing to work everyday ,and navigating the madness on the road,even the air you breathe in this country is enough to make you want to elope,money is not everything,Nigeria is a messed up country,you will not believe it until you set your foot in another more sane country,he is earning more than he did in Nigeria and has a better prospect of earning much more,with the future of his family secured.and you are still talking about boy boy,who manager help?

Usefulsense:


I saw it. It has been in the news

Congratulations on your move to Australia.It is
a good thing to move to Aussie.Aussie is perhaps among the top 3 best country to reside in the world.I don't think it's necessary to compare your salary in Nigeria and Aussie.

The current exchange rate is the reason why a cleaner or warehouse worker abroad is better than earning over #1m in Nigeria.Anyway,what ever any of us decide to do,I wish everyone here success.

Gerrard59:
cc: IbeOkehie

(1) Well done OP. I applaud your determination, perseverance and, most importantly your honesty. You try because if na me at that age, I won't migrate to anywhere.

(2) There has to be a time in a man's life he enjoys the reward for his hard work. Nevertheless, well done.

(3) The bold would be criticised by Nairalanders, rightfully so, so get prepared.

Wetin I don do now to earn cc:

(1) Agree with your praise of the OP but not your personal view. I would migrate even at age 60, in fact that is the best time to migrate to a sane country. In Nigeria you're at risk of being abused or killed in old age for being a witch, and NOBODY will do anything about it.

(2) Depends on what the objective is. Jesus died for his own. Sometimes extreme GENERATIONAL sacrifice is required for FAMILY success.

(3) There's lots of Igbo people living in Nigeria, right there in Igboland, who're proud that their children can't speak Igbo. I know MANY such families. In a larger sense what does one gain from learning any African language or affecting their accents? I'd rather learn Japanese to be frank, at least there's some concrete gain to be had.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

Usefulsense:


When you say learning forklift at 48, I'm already a licensed forklift driver. Licensed to do counterbalance and high reach anywhere is Australia.

I'm no more learning bro.

Here, you see 65 years old Australians working. Not because they don't have anything to fall back on. But because it is fun and enables them to exercise the body.

Please ignore that guy,that was the same guy who kept talking down on a certain moniker (tansaze can't remember) for immigrating to Chile even after the OP made it clear it was a stepping stone.

AmuDimpka:


At 48yrs that you were at the top of your accounting career earning good morning in Nigeria, you spent millions to travel to Australia only to go and be learning forklifting and mental health and care giving job at 48yrs when you should be planning retirement


I wish you luck sir ....they way it is you will work till your 70s! How do you guys even take such decision

Did you read his post?

He said with what he knows today, if he was 52 and earning double he would still have gone.

Stop, think through that before criticising.

Gerrard59:


Not again!!!

Remaining in Australia for the rest of his life erodes whatever AUD to NGN conversion you have there.

His earnings and expenses are in AUD, stick to it. Nothing concerns NGN in Australia.

Not always the case.. the world today is becoming more interconnected and most things bought are a function of one currency against others.

IbeOkehie:


Wetin I don do now to earn cc:

(1) Agree with your praise of the OP but not your personal view. I would migrate even at age 60, in fact that is the best time to migrate to a sane country. In Nigeria you're at risk of being abused or killed in old age for being a witch, and NOBODY will do anything about it.

(2) Depends on what the objective is. Jesus died for his own. Sometimes extreme GENERATIONAL sacrifice is required for FAMILY success.

(3) There's lots of Igbo people living in Nigeria, right there in Igboland, who're proud that their children can't speak Igbo. I know MANY such families. In a larger sense what does one gain from learning any African language or affecting their accents? I'd rather learn Japanese to be frank, at least there's some concrete gain to be had.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

Japanese oooo

Usefulsense:


For me measure of progress is different.
A toilet cleaner in Australia lives a much better life than the regional manager of Zenith bank in Nigeria.

just say a toilet cleaner in Aussie lived a better life than you did while you were in Nigeria. Personalise this inferiority complex abeg. Own it! Don't bring one mythical regional manager of zenith bank into this. Not everyone was evidently miserable like you while you were in Nigeria. I thank God everyday for the fact that I don't think so lowly like this. Jeez!

This stale line is so nauseating. A destitute in Aussie sef was living a better life than you were. We know, we get it.

All these peeps in Australia that sought to die by suicide were happy, fulfilled, ok and satisfied to death. Smh

chidi4sam:


You are so misinformed. How much is ticket that people in Australia cannot afford? Let me shock you, I have not seen one begger in Australia. Whoever the person is, not withstanding his visa status, everyone is OK here. I can get my to and fro ticket fee by working only on Sunday. Australia pays the highest wages when compared to Canada, UK, and even US (in some companies). Use your google and search about it instead of displaying your ignorance online.

yea, no beggars or destitutes in your side of Aussie. They all wear rolexes and drive Porsches. Grown up dudes such as you and Op saying authoritatively say beggars no dey one country...he even saying that haven been there just about 3months. Na wa!

Enjoy....Nofin do you

AmuDimpka:
no wahala...I wish you luck. At 55 - 60 one should be retired travelling around yhe world. That is my perspective not learning forklifting at 48

Its would be multiple times easier for him to travel the world on his current job than for someone earning 2 million monthly in Nigeria to do same.

What percentage of Nigeria's population in your quoted age group are retired and traveling the world?

AmuDimpka:
no wahala...I wish you luck. At 55 - 60 one should be retired travelling around yhe world. That is my perspective not learning forklifting at 48

jedisco:


Its would be a multitude times easier for him to travel the world on his current job than for someone earning 2 million monthly in Nigeria to do same.

peeps can talk about real issues like low global mobility for Nigerians and the other myriad of challenges without coming up with wack and tenuous, non-intelligent or non-intelligible crap like a cleaner somewhere is better off than a regional manager at Zenith bank. That is idiocy and lunacy combined...and it is rather disappointing to read this from supposed men o, with a phallus between their legs, men that are supposed to build freaking civilizations talking so effing ***""""""""****!

Irks the f outta me everytime

Treadway:
yea, no beggars or destitutes in your side of Aussie. They all wear rolexes and drive Porsches. Grown up dudes such as you and Op saying authoritatively say beggars no dey one country...he even saying that haven been there just about 3months. Na wa!

Enjoy....Nofin do you

Maybe the statement wasn't properly composed. What I actually wanted to type is that I have not seen a Nigerian begger here same way it used to be I'm places I have lived.
I was in UK, Dubai and Australia. I was just comparing. Even in dubai where it is an offence to beg, people still beg. Nigerians are doing great in Australia believe me

chidi4sam:


Maybe the statement wasn't properly composed. What I actually wanted to type is that I have not seen a Nigerian begger here same way it used to be I'm places I have lived.
I was in UK, Dubai and Australia. I was just comparing. Even in dubai where it is an offence to beg, people still beg. Nigerians are doing great in Australia believe me

dude

We know Aussie is better, there is no need to compare or even convince anyone of that

But while things are shitty o'er here and I do talk about the issues here very often (if you check my history), making the kinda of statement that I hear and read most Nigerians make when they leave these shores to other countries just is not a good look. I don't see even other Africans do this inferiority tirade BS, much less other races. What Australian will read this kinda crap and value or respect you?. And una dey blast Emdee Tiamiyu ooo. You basically are admitting to them ever so passionately and diligently that you are worthless without being there and living there is what gives your life meaning.. like wtf.

Let's package ourselves better abeg. No be to dey drive the hype like say we never see chandelier before. How you go dey talk online say cleaner for one place better pass a well read, accomplished person who rose to the ranks of a Regional manager at Zenith bank?? Does that make any kind of sense at all....and then still turn around to say life is not all about money..classic incoherence.

Maslow's hierarchy of needs is a good reference point, we have diff things that drive us, different things we aspire to, clearly....cos that statement just no make sense or senses....and it is not a good look abeg

A garbage disposal guy in Aussie, Canada, US and Youkay sef is better than a governor in Nigeria. Ment!

Treadway:
peeps can talk about real issues like low global mobility for Nigerians and the other myriad of challenges without coming up with wack and tenuous, non-intelligent or non-intelligible crap like a cleaner somewhere is better off than a regional manager at Zenith bank. That is idiocy and lunacy combined...and it is rather disappointing to read this from supposed men o, with a phallus between their legs, men that are supposed to build freaking civilizations talking so effing ***""""""""****!

Irks the f outta me everytime

I see your point but certain things ring a bell.
I have always said there are certain things that can't ve imported - health and security.

I have worked in healthcare in both Nigeria and the UK and can say that for all the challenges the NHS faces, a begger in the UK arguably has access to better emergency care than many governors in Nigeria. For routine care it should be different. Many rich Nigerians are one setious ailment away from being bankrupt- something the average citizen in western nations would not pay a penny for. The serial pitiful death of our actors come to mind.

The other is security. Many have been reduced to grass following a kidnap of themselves or close relative- this is not including deaths.

Emotions apart, a cleaner in the west with settled status would have access to certain things that a bank manager in 9ja would struggle for. It's sad, but its the truth

jedisco:


I see your point but certain things ring a bell.
I have always said there are certain things that can't ve imported - health and security.

I have worked in healthcare in both Nigeria and the UK and can say that for all the challenges the NHS faces, a begger in the UK arguably has access to better emergency care than many governors in Nigeria. For routine care it should be different. Many rich Nigerians are one setious ailment away from being bankrupt- something the average citizen in western nations would not pay a penny for. The serial pitiful death of our actors come to mind.

The other is security. Many have been reduced to grass following a kidnap of themselves or close relative- this is not including deaths.

Emotions apart, a cleaner in the west with settled status would have access to certain things that a bank manager in 9ja would struggle for. It's sad, but its the truth

the crux of what you typed here is that based on emergency care available to the cleaner over there he/she is better off than a Regional manager in Nigeria right? I know you mentioned kidnappings too o, but majorly I have hit the nail on the head as per the weighty component of your point right?


If yes, then YES I also do see your point. I especially like how you touched on the difference in the overall experience of routine care Vs emergency care in the UK cos it is a significant one to note, cos the routine one wey concern the vast majority of cases and that most people need, you gats wait months, but the emergency care na im you put for front burner in this instance

BUT here is the thing for me, I simply cannot agree that the simple presence of emergency care to the person in Aussie is enough reason to say he is living a better life than someone who is excelling, well read and rose through the ranks to become a .regional manager at Zenith, simply cos he can't get a chopper ambulance to pick him up or an ambulance to get to him in 5mins. Fulfilment in life doesn't come from emergency care. What life and living is about is more than emergency care. Very very many people go through a whole lifetime without the need for emergency care. Many people who get emergency care still die. Na the things wey dey drive most peeps and give them fulfillment dey that table below. To now tell me the person wey dey level 1 better pass person wey dey level 4 or 5 simply cos e get access to emergency care, no jus follow as far as I am concerned.

Someone who hasn't travelled outside Nigeria will never understand. There is no basis for comparison between Nigeria and a developed country. In terms of everything, I mean everything, countries like Australia, UK and Canada are way ahead of Nigeria. Having said that, the decision to relinquish one's job as a manager in Nigeria for a low level job (e.g. forklift operator) in Australia is personal, which we should all respect. Besides, no one migrates with the primary objective of taking up a cleaning or fork lift operator job. For most people already at the middle or top level of their careers, they take up these jobs to survive, pending when they land their ideal jobs.

For me, if I am to choose between being a bank manager in Nigeria and forklift operator in Australia, I'll go with the latter. As a forklift operator in Australia, I will live a good life and provide a better future for my children. Even if I decide to return to Nigeria after 25 to 30 years, I'll live very comfortably, far better than I would have, had I been a bank manager.

To reiterate, no basis for comparison, and respect people's decisions. Shalom!

Treadway:
dude

We know Aussie is better, there is no need to compare or even convince anyone of that

But while things are shitty o'er here and I do talk about the issues here very often (if you check my history), making the kinda of statement that I hear and read most Nigerians make when they leave these shores to other countries just is not a good look. I don't see even other Africans do this inferiority tirade BS, much less other races. What Australian will read this kinda crap and value or respect you?. And una dey blast Emdee Tiamiyu ooo. You basically are admitting to them ever so passionately and diligently that you are worthless without being there and living there is what gives your life meaning.. like wtf.

Let's package ourselves better abeg. No be to dey drive the hype like say we never see chandelier before. How you go dey talk online say cleaner for one place better pass a well read, accomplished person who rose to the ranks of a Regional manager at Zenith bank?? Does that make any kind of sense at all....and then still turn around to say life is not all about money..classic incoherence.

Maslow's hierarchy of needs is a good reference point, we have diff things that drive us, different things we aspire to, clearly....cos that statement just no make sense or senses....and it is not a good look abeg

A garbage disposal guy in Aussie, Canada, US and Youkay sef is better than a governor in Nigeria. Ment!

I guess you read why this argument has lingerd. One guy was trying to talk down on him for relocating at 48 years instead of planning to retire. Life just started for him.

I saw your reaction when he said a toilet cleaner is better than a banker in Nigeria. That was actually an irony. No one washes toilets here in Australia. For example, It takes between 2-3 years to come to Australia through PR (you and confirm that from the Australia PR trend). In the cause of waiting, you are not sure of getting an ITA depending on your points, and there could be new policies including age factor which will further place you at a disadvantage. But coming as a student or a dependent to a student, takes about 6 months all things being equal.

Now, no matter what you have studied in Nigeria or your experience, you can land a job in your profression immediately you come to Australia. You need to upgrade to fit in. For example, coming to Australia as a doctor, you need to write plab1 and plab 2 and also have experience working in UK to be able to come to Aus. An alternative to that is coming as a student. While schooling, you must do these menial jobs which pays you a whole lot of money to pay bills, do investments and also pay for your school fees.

So, for someone to criticise an adult who has made his life decision at 48 is degrading. I was only trying to support his decision..

chidi4sam:


I guess you read why this argument has lingerd. One guy was trying to talk down on him for relocating at 48 years instead of planning to retire. Life just started for him.

I saw your reaction when he said a toilet cleaner is better than a banker in Nigeria. That was actually an irony. No one washes toilets here in Australia. For example, It takes between 2-3 years to come to Australia through PR (you and confirm that from the Australia PR trend). In the cause of waiting, you are not sure of getting an ITA depending on your points, and there could be new policies including age factor which will further place you at a disadvantage. But coming as a student or a dependent to a student, takes about 6 months all things being equal.

Now, no matter what you have studied in Nigeria or your experience, you can land a job in your profression immediately you come to Australia. You need to upgrade to fit in. For example, coming to Australia as a doctor, you need to write plab1 and plab 2 and also have experience working in UK to be able to come to Aus. An alternative to that is coming as a student. While schooling, you must do these menial jobs which pays you a whole lot of money to pay bills, do investments and also pay for your school fees.

So, for someone to criticise an adult who has made his life decision at 48 is degrading. I was only trying to support his decision..

I understand you.

You'll see that I didn't comment on the guy's comment that you referenced or even OP's response to that comment, cos e no really consign me. Decisions like this are personal, I don't want to or need to understand them, cos e no consign me, but like I said those kinda statements really rub off on me somehow, which is why I encouraged him to personalize it.

Even if you (I don't mean YOU specifically in this instance) think oyinbos and oyinbo land is heaven (which is a choice that you're entitled to) cant we just freaking pretend to be cool and be a little bit more composed ffs....

I seriously can't even picture a Ghanaian say a cleaner in Aussie is better than a top executive in Ghana, much less a South African (these ones especially carry themselves with pride even tho they ain't shit). Cleaner better than a top executive/manager wtf!!! Good luck getting respect from people who constantly see you happily debase yourselves this way in comparison to them.

Na im be say all the professionals excelling in Nigeria, doing great work and relentless high achievers are all living wasted lives niyen. They are better off as cleaners or riding at the back of a garbage truck or just plain ol dead. Lol

I think we can be a lot more composed and just quit with this self deprecating inferiority tirade BS. That is all I want to stamp here tonight.

Cheers.

Treadway:
I understand you.

You'll see that I didn't comment on the guy's comment that you referenced or even OP's response to that comment, cos e no really consign me. Decisions like this are personal, I don't want to or need to understand them, cos e no consign me, but like I said those kinda statements really rub off on me somehow, which is why I encouraged him to personalize it.

Even if you (I don't mean YOU specifically in this instance) think oyinbos and oyinbo land is heaven (which is a choice that you're entitled to) cant we just freaking pretend to be cool and be a little bit more composed ffs....

I seriously can't even picture a Ghanaian say a cleaner in Aussie is better than a top executive in Ghana, much less a South African (these ones especially carry themselves with pride even tho they ain't shit). Cleaner better than a top executive/manager wtf!!! Good luck getting respect from people who constantly see you happily debase yourselves this way in comparison to them.

Na im be say all the professionals excelling in Nigeria, doing great work and relentless high achievers are all living wasted lives niyen. They are better off as cleaners or riding at the back of a garbage truck or just plain ol dead. Lol

I think we can be a lot more composed and just quit with this self deprecating inferiority tirade BS. That is all I want to stamp here tonight.

Cheers.

The OP never meant to use those words. I'm sure he is well learned and exposed too. To earn above 1M as an account in Nigeria is not a joke. What prompted him to use that word was because of someone who was condemning his decision to move and start working in Australia as a forklift driver.

I think the intention of this trend has been defeated because if it is me, I won't go further any longer. I will grab an opportunity to leave Nigeria again even if I am earning better than I do in Australia. I do not mind the kind of job I do here in Australia in as much as I am getting the basic needs of life without bothering anyone and able to provide a first class passport for my children. That is my goal and aspiration in life and I don't expect anyone to discredit me for that

This is where I will end for now. Cheers bro

cozy7:
I hv always heard there are lots of menial jobs to do in Australia, u just confirmed it. Thanks for d info. God bless.

Calling a job “Menial job” is a language only Nigerians speak. There are no menial jobs in advanced countries, rather they are called blue collar jobs. Blue collar jobs enjoy the same dignity and respect white collar jobs enjoy

Usefulsense:


When you say learning forklift at 48, I'm already a licensed forklift driver. Licensed to do counterbalance and high reach anywhere is Australia.

I'm no more learning bro.

Here, you see 65 years old Australians working. Not because they don't have anything to fall back on. But because it is fun and enables them to exercise the body.

I disagree with this. 65 year old Australians work because they have nothing to fall back on. Work isn't fun and doesn't enable them to exercise their bodies. Work is even more brutal over there.

These western nations -- US, Canada, France, Australia, and others -- are extremely capitalist. They want to take the last drop of your soul out of you and require you to keep working to pay bills after bills after bills for your daily survival.

The average Nigerian retires at 58 - 65 and is still able to live a decent life almost comparable to when they were working.

You can never compare that to Australia where they have to work into their 80s to keep body and soul together. And when they're no longer able to work anymore, they're thrown into an old people's home and the cycle continues.

You're new to the system, so it's still "freaking" you. You even hope to get your accounting job back someday. I hate to be the one to say this, but the possibility of you getting that job back is very low.

You've already been sucked into, and will continue to be sucked into, this forklifting/labouring career and the longer you stay in it, the harder it is to switch to accounting.

Please sirs, you guys should share tips on how to migrate so we can learn.
Thanks

shoodboi2:


I disagree with this. 65 year old Australians work because they have nothing to fall back on. Work isn't fun and doesn't enable them to exercise their bodies. Work is even more brutal over there.

These western nations -- US, Canada, France, Australia, and others -- are extremely capitalist. They want to take the last drop of your soul out of you and require you to keep working to pay bills after bills after bills for your daily survival.

The average Nigerian retires at 58 - 65 and is still able to live a decent life almost comparable to when they were working.

You can never compare that to Australia where they have to work into their 80s to keep body and soul together. And when they're no longer able to work anymore, they're thrown into an old people's home and the cycle continues.

You're new to the system, so it's still "freaking" you. You even hope to get your accounting job back someday. I hate to be the one to say this, but the possibility of you getting that job back is very low.

You've already been sucked into, and will continue to be sucked into, this forklifting/labouring career and the longer you stay in it, the harder it is to switch to accounting.

chidi4sam:



I migrated to Australia to on December 23rd 2023. My wife came in as a student in July 2023 while my daughter and I, joined her in December. For the past 3 months, there is no day I don't thank God for bringing me into this country. I stay in Newcastle NSW too. 1:30 drive from Sydney. Congratulations Sir