MindHacker9009:


You were the one that brought up how to solve the problems of sin, so you need to start by showing how Christianity has solve the problems of sin, then I can respond to your question on how Judaism solves the problem of sin.

Straybullet:
Jesus never started any group
Jesus never started any group
Jesus never started any group

Straybullet:
The truth of God is here embrace it.

The organisation of people in the name of Jesus Christ is not with his permission

The true church is spiritual and Jesus isnthe one administering it as we speak

He builds his church

But right from the first century AD men organized other men and formed groups

Groups that today have manifested fruit that shows they were not of God

The control of men by any entity other than God is the modus operandi of Babylon


These groups are babylon

Come out of Babylon and seek Jesus

The denominations, and church groups and institutions are Babylon.

God bless you all

Janosky:


Is "his Church" a group?

Is "his church" an Organization?

Janosky:


Are the 12 apostles (converted by Jesus) a Group?

Straybullet:


No to both questions.

His church rather is an organism.

Janosky:



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Oga, please go & study your Bible very well and understand it .


As you can see, your answer is not correct.

Nothing else to add.

MindHacker9009:


You were the one that brought up how to solve the problems of sin, so you need to start by showing how Christianity has solve the problems of sin, then I can respond to your question on how Judaism solves the problem of sin.

newbornmacho:

Nigerians answer questions with questions 🙄

Strafudeen:
I want to know which church is the correct one..or you mean none of them is?

newbornmacho:
I maintain that if what we're seeing as church is what Jesus had in mind,...let me just keep quiet

Straybullet:


No they're not, in the context of this discussion

John 9:4 Jesus Christ referenced himself & the disciples as "WE".
"WE" can not be a one man show.
The term "WE" is an assembly, Congregation, Church in John 9:4 meeting together, working together in harmony to fulfill the same goal, objectives etc.
Oga, Jesus Christ & the disciples were the first Ecclesia, which gave birth to other Eccklesias.

For this reason, Paul the apostle could address the Hebrew Eccklesia as having "leaders" that the brethren should submit themselves to guidance and direction.
Hebrews 13:7,17.

In many Bibles, in Acts chapter 15, the heading says:
" The Council in Jerusalem".
(Is FIFA Council an Organization? Oga, learn something.)
The Ecclesia (Church) founded by Christ Jesus is an Organization, administered by leaders serving the brethren (especially in Acts chapter 2:41-48. Hebrews 13:7,17. E get why )

Shalom.

Straybullet:


Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. Hope you know?

Now which language is ekklesia? Is it English?

Answer let me know your level in these things

Janosky:

John 9:4 Jesus Christ referenced himself & the disciples as "WE".
"WE" can not be a one man show.
The term "WE" is an assembly, Congregation, Church in John 9:4 meeting together, working together in harmony to fulfill the same goal, objectives etc.
Oga, Jesus Christ & the disciples were the first Ecclesia, which gave birth to other Eccklesias.

For this reason, Paul the apostle could address the Hebrew Eccklesia as having "leaders" that the brethren should submit themselves to guidance and direction.
Hebrews 13:7,17.

In many Bibles, in Acts chapter 15, the heading says:
" The Council in Jerusalem".
(Is FIFA Council an Organization? Oga, learn something.)
The Ecclesia (Church) founded by Christ Jesus is an Organization, administered by leaders serving the brethren (especially in Acts chapter 2:41-48. Hebrews 13:7,17. E get why )

Shalom.

Strafudeen:

I want to know which church is the correct one..or you mean none of them is?

Strafudeen:

This one pass my power bros

MaxInDHouse:


JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

The one and only problem of mankind is what Adam and Eve started in the garden of Eden:

POLITICS

This is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil meaning it's not in man's capacity to set standards for his fellow man because man can't direct his own step {Jeremiah 10:23} but when man insisted on doing so the result was disastrous {Ecclesiastes 8:9} because due to his stupidity nepotism won't allow him to do the right thing! Ecclesiastes 4:1

God wanted to save mankind from this curse that's why He established pure worship using a nation (Israel) as an example so that through that nation He will present a perfect human who can rule successfully following His direction without any blunders.

When Jesus walked the earth he formed one GROUP and taught them what they need to know about the evil in politics but Satan the father of politics knew that with Jesus' disciples the secret will be revealed to all people globally immediately Satan began attacking the group! John 15:19

So according to Jesus the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} his true followers will have LOVE among themselves {John 13:34-35} therefore when politics is affecting all other groups and organizations making them to raise weapons against one another {Revelations 6:3-4} Jesus' disciples will be working round the clock to save their own members and enlighten others that there is a mighty spirit evil being behind politics.

But instead of this religionists to pay attention to what Jesus' disciples are saying they will hate them! Matthew 24:9

According to two prophets of God this is what the only true religion will achieve in our time:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

The above has been fulfilled by Jehovah's Witnesses today!

MaxInDHouse:


JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

The one and only problem of mankind is what Adam and Eve started in the garden of Eden:

POLITICS

This is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil meaning it's not in man's capacity to set standards for his fellow man because man can't direct his own step {Jeremiah 10:23} but when man insisted on doing so the result was disastrous {Ecclesiastes 8:9} because due to his stupidity nepotism won't allow him to do the right thing! Ecclesiastes 4:1

God wanted to save mankind from this curse that's why He established pure worship using a nation (Israel) as an example so that through that nation He will present a perfect human who can rule successfully following His direction without any blunders.

When Jesus walked the earth he formed one GROUP and taught them what they need to know about the evil in politics but Satan the father of politics knew that with Jesus' disciples the secret will be revealed to all people globally immediately Satan began attacking the group! John 15:19

So according to Jesus the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} his true followers will have LOVE among themselves {John 13:34-35} therefore when politics is affecting all other groups and organizations making them to raise weapons against one another {Revelations 6:3-4} Jesus' disciples will be working round the clock to save their own members and enlighten others that there is a mighty spirit evil being behind politics.

But instead of this religionists to pay attention to what Jesus' disciples are saying they will hate them! Matthew 24:9

According to two prophets of God this is what the only true religion will achieve in our time:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

The above has been fulfilled by Jehovah's Witnesses today!

newbornmacho:

Jehovah's Witnesses are not the only pacifist Christian denomination ...so what's your point

MaxInDHouse:


Do you know the real meaning of PACIFIST?

Well it simply means you're not on any side but in the case of Jesus he and his followers actually belong to the side of LOVE.
So unlike pacifists Jesus' true disciples are FIGHTING against POLITICS by going to meet people in their home to preach and teach that only God's Kingdom can bring lasting peace and security. Matthew 10:7; 28:19-20

Today you may wonder why all other religions hate Jehovah's Witnesses the truth is that Satan has blinded them {2Corinthians 4:4} and making them think that Jehovah's Witnesses are just pacifists whereas we are real warriors fighting for the truth but since our struggle is not against flesh and blood {Ephesians 6:12} we only use the spiritual weapon {Ephesians 6:17} Christ commanded us to always have with us! Luke 22:36; John 17:17

So we aren't pacifists rather we are Christian soldiers that's why politicians like Adolf Hitler and Vladimir Putin have decided to label us as EXTREMISTS/TERRORISTS

newbornmacho:

You can invent your own English vocabulary if you like. Until then, people who are against war, and physical violence are called pacifists.
And there are other Christian groups in that boat with your pacifist group.

MaxInDHouse:


Well the one and only organization i know that is fighting against killing is Jehovah's Witnesses that's what made me leave Islam if they don't just engage in wars it won't make any sense to me because i would have concluded that they are scared of death but they move to preach it in every house around them which is the best military strategy i know:

The best form of DEFENSE is ATTACK

Jesus taught his disciples to go and ATTACK the spirit of POLITICS in the minds of people not just sitting down in their place of worship claiming they won't fight wars. Matthew 10:11-13

That's the sharp difference!

newbornmacho:

Tell us any other thing , but as for this one it is not unique to Jehovah's Witnesses

MaxInDHouse:


Never mind, i quoted someone else before you came in so let him respond that's enough for now!

newbornmacho:

You're looking for easy people to deceive...
That won't happen
We are here to police you...

MaxInDHouse:


OK but it's a free world you can't stop others from learning you may reject but stopping others is impossible!

newbornmacho:

I will never try to stop anyone, but you also can't stop me from educating people about the truth.

Strafudeen:
I want to know which church is the correct one..or you mean none of them is?

Straybullet:


Ok.

So in the context of my presentation, the apostles were individual parts of a unit, and not a group in the everyday sense of the word.

While group may seem accurate semantically, it doesn't accurately describe their relationship.

The apostles were individual members of a heavenly body, so as they were , they were not sufficient to be called the group.

The ekklesia is a heavenly organism, individual Christians are elected to be part of that organism, the organism is a unit, and the individuals are subunits of the unit.

This isbwhy jesusbtold them there are other sheep I have, and I will bring them and there shall be one flock.

The christ is a unit, the body of christ comprises of the components of that unit.

Until the unit is complete youncant talk about a group , all you have a individual parts.

Look at the human body, pick an eye, and a leg and a tooth, do you say you have a body? NO.

The bodynhas to be complete first and even then you can't say group, you'd rather say body.

The apostles didn't constitute the entire body of christ, only part of it. So it doesn't make sense to talk of them as if they were complete group or something...

Group is not accurate in describing Church.


1 Corinthians 12:12
[12]For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.


The church is a body, and believers are members of that one body.

No other group makes sense except the one body.

Just like a tooth, a hand and an eye together don't make sense as a group

Ecclesia (Greek: ἐκκλησία ekklēsia) may refer to:

1. Ecclesia (ancient Greece) or Ekklēsia, the principal assembly of ancient Greece during its Golden Age
2. Ecclesia (Sparta), the citizens' assembly of Sparta, often wrongly called apella
3. The Greek and Latin term for the Christian Church as a whole
4. Ekklesia (think tank), a British think tank examining the role of religion in public life
5. Ecclesia College, a four-year Christian work college in Springdale, Arkansas
6. Ekklesia Project, an ecumenical Christian network to promote a more active and God-centered faith
7. Qahal or Ekklesia, a theocratic organizational structure in ancient Israelite society