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ISelectMySins:
It is pertinent to mention that men and women are not treated in the same vein under the law: ..

MrBrownJay1:
it all depends who you ask, but its obvious that some women today are married to multiple husbands and there is nothing wrong with that.
so to these people, polygamy is equal whether for men or women.

here is the NL thread about the women married to 3 husbands: https://www.nairaland.com/7626342/video-woman-happily-flaunts-three

FRANCISTOWN:
If the men are stupid enough, why can't a woman marry 3 husbands?
As long as she would pay the bride price of the three. Feed the three and take up their responsibilities and of the kids. Why not?
She'll become the head of the house now.

Veecruz:
Now you based "nothing wrong" on your personal opinion, whereas this thread is based on the.standard of rightfullness especially that based on God!

MrBrownJay1:
1st you have to understand that there are countless of gods out there, and nobody can claim who is the righteous one with the ultimate message

MrBrownJay1:
2nd even people who read the exact same holybook (like the bible fr example), cannot make up their mind about what its true word is... mormon say one thing, jehovah witness another, catholic their own version etc etc...

talking about "standard of rightfullness" when talking about religion is a huge mistake. especially when everyone can decide/interpret what the words of that said bible means (as they wish). is it not the exact same holybook with the exact same words that they all read but bend its meaning as they wish? so let us not play holy and come here pretending that there is only ONE standard that fits all.

Veecruz:
There is only One God. But we have people who may be referring to the same God in their different languages vs those who have exercised their power to reject God and choose other things as their god.
But the Supremacy of God is seen that no place or people in the world says that doing evil and wickedness is good nor do they live according to that Law.So, dont muddle up the argument.

Every interpretation falls on the ground of our universal knowledge of good and evil, for.God has done it, that upon just and fair and reasonable argument, if a view/interpretaion is right and good, it will stand no mattter the fire of examination and re-examination that is brought on it, hence the statement "Truth grows and shines under the fire of crossexamination"
But if is wrong and evil, THEY MUST FALL,hence the importance of valid and lawful arguments.

MrBrownJay1:
i fully disagree with what you are saying.... but for the sake of this discussion, let me help you a bit:
do you know that there are religion out there (under that same ONE TRUE GOD notion) that fully allow polyandry... aka Buddhism

MrBrownJay1:
there is a huge difference between having difference of interpretation of that said holybook AND doing whats right or wrong. if you are now saying that so long as its "good" then anyone can interpret the words of that said holybook as they wish, then anyone can now say:" there is nothing wrong with a woman having multiple husbands (because its a good thing) and make it their religious way of life.

furthermore: many will claim (after reading the bible) that its a sin to have more than one wife, while others will claim it aint. are you now claiming that your ONE TRUE GOD doesnt have a set notion of whats right and whats wrong? many believe that its right to kill sinners, while others say its wrong. who is therefore right? but better yet, what is the need for a set law if anyone can do what the hell they please (and claim its rightful to them)?

Veecruz:
And it does not matter for i have just pointed out how we all know Who is The True God via the fact no one in any place in the world says that doing evil and wickedness is good nor do they live according to that Law!
So, now what people say in reference to their.religious preferrance or inclination is out.

That is why i said
"Every interpretation falls on the ground of our universal and general knowledge of good and evil, for.God has done it, that upon just and fair and reasonable argument, if a view/interpretaion is right and good, it will stand no mattter the fire of examination and re-examination that is brought on it, hence the statement "Truth grows and shines under the fire of crossexamination"
But if is wrong and evil, THEY MUST FALL,hence the importance of valid and lawful arguments."
So, let us play judge, lawyer and Court fot already, i have put it before advocates of polygamy that since polygamy is not wrong, have they and shall they allow their wives to marry other husbands, since both of them are human beings with the same human rights.
And all of them have run away
So, clearly, the idea of polygamy is not a good thing

MrBrownJay1:
so when buddhists say there is only ONE TRUE GOD,

MrBrownJay1:
who made you judge and jury on who is a true god and who is not?

MrBrownJay1:
furthermore, asking polygamous men if they would let their wives have multiple husband is unintelligent. polygamous men look for multiple women to be with ONE husband, just like polyandrous women look for multiple men to be with ONE WIFE. these are two different set of people, with two different mindset. same as your pastor wouldnt agree that you go follow another church, although there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that..

MrBrownJay1:
here is a simple clue: many highly respected men of your holybook (aka Abraham, king David/Solomon) had countless mistresses and babymamas and were NEVER viewed as sinners by your god, nor punished for it. it is only when one of them had sex with a MARRIED WOMAN that he was punished for it.... but none were ever punished for having countless of single women as mistresses/babymamas. yet you will now come here to give us "your " version of what is acceptable...

MrBrownJay1:
the problem in this discussion is that you are so full of yourself, you believe that only your holybook and its law is righteous, and nothing else is valid on this earth....while many people out there dont have to be religious to know whats right or wrong TO THEM. at the end of the day, if someone wants to have 3 wives/husbands (and treat their partner with love care and affection), then who are we to say that this is wrong, when its obvious that its right TO THEM.

Veecruz:
Do we not judge and jury everything in this world whether it is about pastors or politicians or paternity issues or cheating spouses nepa tarrif hike?
Even you right now, are you not judging me that i should not judge other people who live differently?
Please, if you do not like judgments then you would have to stay away from social discussions.

Veecruz:
So, the problem is, that the measurement of right and wrong is above "to them".
It is a test of doing that same thing they say is right or wrong to see if they say it is still right or wrong and this is done even without being religious.

Veecruz:
This was extensively dealt with in these threads and all who said God never saw them as sinners were put to shame and silenced.
So, IT IS PROVEN THAT GOD NEVER EVER ACCEPTED NOR CONDONED THEIR SINS!

Veecruz:
Even you know that you are very very WRONG for the test of Truth of good/rght and evil/wrong is to reverse that thing which is said to be good or evil and apply it to other opposing party to see if he would call it good or evil when it is done to.him exactly as we know that stealing is evil because even thief when he was stolen from also confesses that.stealing is evil.

So, i am right to test all the polygamous minded husbands and as is proven, they.have already refused to let their fellow human being with the same human rights to do that which they say, is good.
CLEARLY PROVING THAT POLYGAMY IS EVIL.

MrBrownJay1:
there is nothing wrong with you having an opinion and judge people... its when you now want to claim that "your" opinion is the righteous one and these people are wrong/evil (because you dont believe in what they do), that is the problem.

MrBrownJay1:
there is absolutely nothing wrong with mature adults entering a polygamous union or having countless mistresees and babymamas (like many highly respected men in your bible did... aka king David/Solomon, Jacob, Abraham etc). yet you will now come here and try to give us "your" own version of what is right/wrong.

MrBrownJay1:
it has nothing to being above or better (below or less), it has all to do with it being DIFFERENT. just because "you" dont abide by it, doesnt automatically dismisses their idea of what is right/good.

MrBrownJay1:
you must be reading your holybook upside down... but again, i am here to help you. the following verses clearly demonstrates that there is nothing wrong with marrying multiple wives:
[b]Deuteronomy 21:15
15 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love,

MrBrownJay1:
so what you are claiming is that... polygamy is evil because polygamous men dont want their wives to have multiple partners??

MrBrownJay1:
@Veecruz
A) remember, i could judge you for doing something that "you" believe is right, while i dont believe its right... should i now enforce that YOU do what i desire because i believe it is wrong OR should i just allow you to do what you please because what may be wrong for me may not be wrong for you?

MrBrownJay1:
B) again, stop trying to read your holybook upside down, just to fit your selfish agenda. MANY HIGHLY RESPECTED MEN OF THE BIBLE HAD MULTIPLE WIVES and/or HAD COUNTLESS MISTRESSES AND BABYMAMAS
(and were never punished for it). FACT!!!!

MrBrownJay1:
C) just because you are against polygamy; just because you believe its wrong and judge people who are into it, DOES NOT MAKE POLYGAMY WRONG...

Veecruz:
That is why God has given us the gift of Judgment so that if we are making an.error we can correct it, since it looks like we are all trying to do the "right thing."
So, enforcement is another thing entirely and the only thing i have asked for is for fair and valid judgment on this matter like we do for all other matters.Which you are already.doing now, so all these are void.

Did you see God punish Cain, or Judas Iscariot or the scribes and pharisees who sought to murder Him? Does that mean He consented to their murders?

That is the essence of this judgment which you are already doing so, this is void.

MrBrownJay1:
NOBODY has ever given you the gift of judgment of others... thats your FIRST MISTAKE.

if YOU are making an error then you can correct the mistake YOU are making, nobody gave you the right to judge others and make you judge over the lives of others....and claim that they are wrong because YOU believe they are wrong. .

MrBrownJay1:
every sinners under your bible deserve punishment... if in the eyes of your god polygamous men were not punished for having multiple wives and mistresses, then their action were not viewed as a sin. we are not talking of nobodys here, we are talking about HIGHLY RESPECTED MEN OF YOUR BIBLE.

Did the bible say that punishment is always immediate?

Did it not even Say that because punishment is not swiftly served people swim in sins? "Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the sons of men are fully set to do evil?"

[quote author=MrBrownJay1 post=129304688]... i am just saying that you shouldnt say that what they are doing is wrong/evil in the eyes of your holybook

MrBrownJay1:
its obvious you are very clueless about the words of your holybook:

Matthew 7
Judging Others
7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s..

MrBrownJay1:
its obvious you are very clueless about the words of your holybook:

Matthew 7
Judging Others
7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

Veecruz:
We already have it which is why you are doing it right now and as you have done to the guy complaining about his wife's sisters exposed dressing which you tried correcting him saying
"as a married man, you shouldnt remotely look at your spouse's sister/friends in such a manner anyway?"
it says a lot about a man who cant even control himself, because regardless of whether it is his wife's sister OR the olosho shopping at the mall, if you cant control yourself (when you see tittays jiggling) then you will ALWAYS fall!

You just judged the life of another.yet you say i should not judge. Very funny.

You are the one who brought in the Holy Book. I just said polygamy is evil and i proved it without the Holy Book.

Veecruz:
It absolutely saddens and disgusts me the amount of people who claim Christianity because they go to a place called church and read the Bible.

Most people who call themselves Christians will be thrown into hell for they’re not of God and especially when someone rebukes them they say, “thou shall not judge.”First, that verse is talking about hypocritical judging.

MrBrownJay1:
AGAIN... its called having an opinion, while you dont have an OPINION;

MrBrownJay1:
you boldly claim that what they are doing is against god...

your 1st post is all about GOD THIS and GOD THAT, but everything you know about your so called "god" is because of what is written in your holybook called the bible.

MrBrownJay1:
YOUR BIBLE WAS NEVER AGAINST POLYGAMY, AND MANY HIGHLY RESPECTED MEN OF THAT SAID BIBLE WERE POLYGAMISTS (that were never viewed as sinners)

MrBrownJay1:
the above in bold is exactly what you are and what you are doing.... hypocritical judging!
undercover satan's advocates.

Veecruz:
If i did, you would have said it . So now, you are lying.and have started to insalt me because you see you cannot argue your case validly.

D) what a hypocrite you are! your religion doesnt allow you to be an elder in church as a woman. will you now equally claim that you religion is evil because the same food should be served to women too (and if women cannot be elders in church then religion is evil)?!?

Veecruz:
A judgment is an opinion
Dictionary.com
the ability to judge, make a decision, or form an opinion objectively especially in matters affecting action;

O i, see
This thread is a fall out from the other threads i posted where i challeged all wbo said God supported polygamy which i proved that He did no such, which is what led to the examination of the unjust and imbalanced mind of the polugamist in this thread, which you cane into, on that flow and moved the issue to.judgment.
And it was based on my counters that you raised and pleaded the bible.

This thread and all the other threads already prove you wrong most especiallly.AS NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE SCORED GOD'S MARK WHERE HE OPENLY CALLED THEIR NAMES AND DECLARED THEM "PERFECT" AND ACCEPTABLE BY HIM.

But only Noah, Job and Daniel, got God The Very Praise and Direct Honour of God Himself, Through His Own Mouth, Where He Directly and Openly Called them "PERFECT'"
And none of them is polygamous.
So, you are wrong, just like the others before you in the other threads

MrBrownJay1:
i have said it already in that discussion, but you were just too busy arguing blindly to see it:
here it is once again:
"what a hypocrite you are! your religion doesnt allow you to be an elder in church as a woman. will you now equally claim that you religion is evil"

MrBrownJay1:
again, you have the right to believe whatever you wanna believe, but the minute you boldly claim that its against your god bla bla bla, thats not an opinion, thats a FALSE STATEMENT! and i am obliged to correct you.

MrBrownJay1:
again, i dont know about any other thread but this one, where YOU stated that your god is against polygamy, which is FALSE!

I notified you of them but you were too busy arguing blindly that you pretended not to see them

"MrBrownJay1:
there is absolutely nothing wrong with mature adults entering a polygamous union or having countless mistresees and babymamas (like many highly respected men in your bible did... aka king David/Solomon, Jacob, Abraham etc). yet you will now come here and try to give us "your" own version of what is right/wrong.

Veecruz
The first time we read those stories, did we not think and see David/Solomon sinned by their acts? Then for Abraham and Jacob, it was not their falllt?

As i said, all was extensively argued in this threads and no one could counter https://www.nairaland.com/8031198/christianity-polygamy#128966706

https://www.nairaland.com/8040571/westerhof-finally-confesses-adultery-polygamy#129086863

https://www.nairaland.com/8050679/see-how-polygamist-secretly-changed#129252553

[quote author=MrBrownJay1 post=129305370]i dont know anything about any other thread but this one, where you proved absolutely nothing but some narrow minded opinion attached to nothing tangible. even the above you just wrote is utter nonsense. NONE OF THESE ABOVE WELL RESPECTED MEN WERE EVER VIEWED AS SINNERS (DUE TO THEIR POLYGAMOUS NATURE) BY YOUR GOD...FACT!

MrBrownJay1:
BWAAAAAAAAAAAH you are truly clueless about your holybook: here is what you god said to Abraham:
Genesis 17:1-7
17 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to him and said, “I am God Almighty[a]; walk before me faithfully and be blameless [color=#990000](aka PERFECT).

vdestro:
Off points arguments do not count. The topic is polygamy and "not should women preach in church"
So, this is you dubiously trying to change the argument since you have cannot argue on the point!

Again, i did not argue against you saying it is against God,, save when you brought God into it, after jumping into this God Based.Thread so your judgment and opinion here is A LIE!

Yet, God did not call him blameles and "PERFECT" at the end even when God clearly went back.and picked Noah, who was before him, Abraham and Job and Daniel, both, after him,."AND CALLED THEM PERFECT.

MrBrownJay1:
oh lawd, another blind religious sheep, bringing yeye nonsense to this discussion... this discussion is about bringing valid point to the table and not yeye clueless nonsense. Veecruz stated that since polygamous men dont want their wives to have multiple men then polygamy is wrong.... so i ask a very simple question that she hasnt answered yet:
[b]IF THATS THE CASE, AND EVERYTHING SOMEONE DOES MUST BE EQUALLY DONE BY WOMEN FOR IT TO BE RIGHT, WHAT ABOUT YOUR RELIGION WHO DOESNT ALLOW WOMEN ELDERS IN CHURCH?!

MrBrownJay1:
reread the initial post... GOD is mentioned FIVE TIMES, to try to claim that polygamy is wrong. so this whole discussion brought by Veecruz is about she claiming that god is against polygamy....

MrBrownJay1:
its obvious you read your holybook upside down. again, sit down, go drink some chilled water and reread the below passage (then come tell us that your god didnt call Abraham "blameless" and made him father of many nation etc:

[b][color=#990000]Genesis 17:1-7walk before me faithfully and be blameless.

Veecruz:
And this is the change of post for i did not say "EVERYTHING SOMEONE DOES MUST BE EQUALLY DONE BY WOMEN"...I said "if that same food is served on them via their wives going out to marry a second husband, they too confess that it is evil." aka do me, i do you.

That's why i said "YOU JUMPED INTO This God based thread."

Is that not God commanding Abraham[b] at the beginning[/b]to walk faithully and blamelessly?