SIRTee15:

Do not call the name of your God in vain. The 4th commandment.
“You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

MaxInDHouse:


What correlation has this nonsense got to do with my post?

SIRTee15:


Ohyoudidn't so now admit Jesus has a divine nature. Abi is this not what I'm reading from U.

Oh my God what a glorious day to behold.

I've always known U are too intelligent not to see the truth when faced with one.

TenQ our friend is gradually gravitating towards the truth.
Abutwins let me educate U so that U too will see the truth. I apologise if I detail your thread. Forget about bible manuscripts, Jesus is divine- that is the truth.

Fellow Muslims, we may argue back and forth on whether Jesus is God. But only a very dishonest Muslim will deny the divinity of Christ, It's just too obvious.

Cc Qasim expanse antiChristian don't be left out in this truth seeking revelation.

Shalom

SIRTee15:

How can Thomas use God's name as an exclamation mark as U claim when he knows Moses law doesn't allow it.
A Jew for that matter. He saw Jesus and he shouted 'my God'as expression of shock!!!
Very funny

AbuTwins:


Apology Accepted!

Jesus is not divine but human!
“My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed. John 20:28
This is simply an exclamation as he was surprised from the context!
Thomas referred to Jesus as Lord (or master) and God (Theos). Theos was used for Satan in 2 Cor 4:4 and for a Roman Governor in Acts 12:22 and they were not called ''God".

At that time Thomas spoke there was no knowledge of trinity then! Jesus was believed to be a Prophet by the disciples!
In Luke 29 from 18 we read:
One of them, named Cleopas, asked Him, “Are You the only visitor to Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in recent days?” “What things?” He asked. “The events involving Jesus of Nazareth,” they answered. “This man was a prophet, powerful in speech and action before God and all the people.

Also the verse did not say Jesus you are my God and my Lord? It is an exclamation! Anyone can be master or god!

Jesus had a God who is our God!
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

Jesus worships his God!
Luke 6:12
One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.

Matthew 14:23
After he (Jesus) had sent them away, he went up on the mountain by himself to pray.

Luke 5:16
Yet he (Jesus) frequently withdrew to the wilderness to pray.

Matthew 26:39
Going a little farther, he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

SIRTee15:


U guys don't get it....
Thomas couldnt have said 'my God' as an expression of shock or exclamation mark.
Its blasphemy!!!
The 4th commandment clearly states thou shall not call the name of God in vain!!!

Exodus 20
7 “You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

Thomas is a Jew who is well acquainted with mosaic law. He knows its blasphemy to see Jesus and shout 'my God's as expression of shock.

If Thomas said My God to Jesus, he actually meant it.

MaxInDHouse:


So the title "GOD" is the name Moses talked about when he said Israelites shouldn't use God's name in vain shey?

Abeg stop quoting me because small time now you will start using multiple monikers to insult me claiming you're many people!

SIRTee15:


Thomas said “Ὁ Κύριός μου καὶ ὁ Θεός μου", literally meaning the Lord of me and the God of me.

If this is an exclamation mark coming from the mouth of a Jew, and it not blasphemy then I don't know what else to say to U.

Delusion is free.

A Muslim here has finally admitted Jesus is divine while a Christian continues to wallow in deliberate self inflicting ignorance.

AbuTwins:


Please be sane!

Satan was called God in 2 Cor 4:4, is it not Blasphemy too?

A Roman Governor was called God in Acts 12:22 is it not Blasphemy too?

AbuTwins:

Whenever you are surprise what do you say? Probably, Jesus!

What did Thomas say? My Lord and my God!

At best, he was referring to Yahweh in surprise as none of the disciples know Jesus as God during the time!

The Exodus verse you used mentions Yahweh not Jesus or god/God used for humans and Satan!

SIRTee15:

Oh my God originated from the English language.

SIRTee15:

This is what Thomas said “Ὁ Κύριός μου καὶ ὁ Θεός μου", literally the Lord of me and the God of me.
If this is an exclamation mark from the mouth of a Jew, then U living in obvious denial and living in delulu land

Let me even ask U a question. When did we start using oh my God as exclamation mark and what's the etymology of the phrase, which language did it come from?

Oh my God originated from the English language. Thomas never spoke English and there's no such exclamation mark in ancient aramaic or hebrew language.

What U guys are doing is extrapolation of the modern phrase oh my God into ancient language.
There's no evidence such phrase existed during the time of jesus in any language at all.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/oh-my-god/

MaxInDHouse:


Most of you only stays within one locality and start claiming you're knowledgeable.


Have you been to any other place apart from where they born you?

In Yorùbá land here when people see what amazes them it's the name of their God they will shout in amazement.

Go to Ìlàjẹ in Ondo state you will hear them shout:

"Ayélála Ìgbòkokò!"

That's "My God" in their own languages.

Does it mean they saw their God each time they utter such or they're greeting their God?

SIRTee15:

Ayelala is the name of an idol not God. Yoruba call God Olorun or Eledumare.
And idol worshippers never forbade anybody to use the name of their deity anyhow.
Its even common for them to swear or curse in the name of their deity.
Try another trick.

Yoruba didn't use the word 'Olorun mi o' as exclamation mark until they extrapolated it from the English language oh my God

MaxInDHouse:


Ọlọ́run or Elédùmarè came with Àjàyí Crowder's translation and the word IDOL comes with British mentality from what Yorùbá people believe all are Gods nothing like IDOL it's your own religion that refers to their Gods as IDOLS!

SIRTee15:

Eledumare predates the Yoruba bible and Ajayi crowther.
Where do U think Yorubas got the words odu, odumare, osumare.

AbuTwins:


You still haven't proven That Thomas believed Jesus as God!


Theos can be god too yet you keep writing God all the time to buttress your falsehood!

AbuTwins:


This is of no use!

If I see something surprising I say Subhanallah (Glory be to Allah)!

That does not mean whatever is in front of me when I'm surprised is what I am referring to as Glory be to Allah!

AbuTwins:

And Jesus told same Thomas that he had a God who is our God!
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

AbuTwins:

What Thomas said was Theos!

What Jesus used above for his God was Theon!

MaxInDHouse:


Yorùbá believe Olódùmarè is the one all other Gods are work for they don't call any of them IDOLS!

SIRTee15:

Whatever they call them is not my business. The point is to show U ayelala is not the supreme God in Yoruba pantheon. He's likely orisha or whatever....

MaxInDHouse:

So if someone called Ayélála while Ayélála is not what he saw it simply means they exclaimed at the sight of something amazing just as Thomas also did not that he saw his God!

SIRTee15:


Don't U get it.
Yorubas don't care if U call ayelala anyhow. It's not abomination.

But calling the name of God carelessly in Judaism is blasphemy.

MaxInDHouse:


My Lord and my God is not God's name in the Hebrews Scriptures that's why God's word says God made Moses a God! Exodus 7:1

SIRTee15:

How did Jesus call God. When Jesus said do not swear by God's name, what name was he referring to?

MaxInDHouse:

What name did Moses gave Israelites in the Bible book of Deuteronomy 6:4?

SIRTee15:

Answer my question. We dealing with new testament here not old testament.
What name did Jesus call God when he was dying on the cross.
What name of God did Jesus tell his disciples not to swear on during the beatitudes sermon. He told them. not to swear by God's name, what's the name?

Ken4Christ:
Muslim scholar wants a proof where Jesus said he is God. The exclamation of Thomas is one of such proof. When he saw Jesus after his resurrection, he exclaimed;

John 20:27-28
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

If Jesus is not God, he would have told Thomas, please don't call me God.

What other proof do you need to know who Jesus truly is?

Janosky:


Your Trinitarian mentors translators placed exclamation mark (!) on John 20:28 & you pastor is here deceiving yourself capping rubbish.
John 20:28 Bible hub evidence.

Ken4Christ:


Please, interpret the passage below to me:

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

MaxInDHouse:


"Before Abraham (the ancestors of Hebrews) i exist"

Ken4Christ:

If Jesus existed before Abraham, then who is Jesus?. Human or God?

MaxInDHouse:


What correlation has this nonsense got to do with my post?

Ken4Christ:


Read the passage again. Thomas said to him (Jesus), My Lord and my God. It wasn't just an exclamation into the air. He directed the statement to Jesus.

Iamanoited:
BECAUSE HE IS GOD AND HE HAS JUST ANOINTED THOMAS AT THAT MOMENT.