A CHRISTIAN on a thread I just visited wrote something that really pissed me off.

He said: ''Thank God for Christianity in Africa, because it ended out ancestors' evil cultural practices.''


My Response to him:


CHRISTIANS DESTROYED NIGERIA AND AFRICA.

It was CHRISTIAN IGBO OFFICERS who were told by the TOKUNBO IMPORTED ORACLE named ''Jesus'' that it was okay to go around shooting elected Nigerian leaders in January 1966, A CRIME AND ATROCITY that overthrew our democratic dispensation following independence, and led to a BLOODY CIVIL WAR in which an estimated 2 million Igbo lives were lost, and also led to the descent of Nigeria into military dictatorship, which set the nation back by decades.

I very much doubt our ancestors' ''evil cultural practices'' were anywhere near that DESTRUCTIVE.

Indeed, isn't it better to SACRIFICE A VIRGIN TO THE GODS once or twice a year, than to SLAUGHTER MILLIONS OF PEOPLE in senseless conflicts orchestrated by CHRISTIANS?

Even GOWON who led the other side was also a CHRISTIAN.

As a matter of fact, our ancestors, even in cities, built their houses WITHOUT FRONT DOORS, as attested to by 15th century Portuguese visitors to Great Benin City, who commented widely on its crime-free society where THEFT was UNHEARD OF.

A progressive city of streetlights fuelled by palm oil steel lamps that lined the streets. A city with underground drainage, multi-storey buildings and public monuments. A city built with African mathematical fractal design unknown to Europe UNTIL the early 20th century.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/mar/18/story-of-cities-5-benin-city-edo-nigeria-mighty-medieval-capital-lost-without-trace

A city burned and bombed down by CHRISTIAN BRITONS in 1897, who looted the palace of its bronze treasures, and currently display some of those treasures their museums today, as the SHAMELESS CHRISTIAN THIEVES THEY ARE.

As CHRISTIANS, can you build your houses today without front doors?

Heck, you build every house in FEAR of your fellow CHRISTIANS, who are armed robbers, thieves, and kidnappers, and so you have barbed wire fences and iron gates up to 12 feet high, with iron bars on your windows!

Your EVIL christian religion masquerading as SAINTHOOD permits humans to commit the most heinous ATROCITIES and even WAR CRIMES, so long as they ''accept Jesus as their personal lord and saviour'', and contribute MONEY to buy pastor's mansion and private jet.

Today you have CHRISTIANS openly CHEERING THE SLAUGHTER of tens of thousands of innocent children in Gaza.

Openly cheering GENOCIDE.

SO you can take your EVIL, greedy, bloodthirsty, demonic CHRISTIANITY, and stuff it up your brainwashed, colonised behind!!

Guy, you're confusing human characters with Christianity. In every religion, family, relationship and organisation, there are evil people who hide under the guise of their organisation to execute their evil plans. It's true that the British colonisers weaponised Christianity for their own selfish gains but does that make them true christians? No! Christianity obviously teaches love and peace over hatred and violence as well as forgiveness of sins, this was what the evil men weaponised.

Even in your family, workplace or other social organisation, there are people who would want to take advantage of others using the organisation as their umbrella. Which is why scholars over time have been able to explain and differentiate religion from politics. Even in politics today, our leaders are using their position to loot as if that was why they elected them their. Some even use the law to their own advantage (as in the case of rigging).
The person is right because Christianity has really helped us than destroy us!

Remman:
Guy, you're confusing human characters with Christianity. In every religion, family, relationship and organisation, there are evil people who hide under the guise of their organisation to execute their evil plans. It's true that the British colonisers weaponised Christianity for their own selfish gains but does that make them true christians? No! Christianity obviously teaches love and peace over hatred and violence as well as forgiveness of sins, this was what the evil men weaponised.

Even in your family, workplace or other social organisation, there are people who would want to take advantage of others using the organisation as their umbrella. Which is why scholars over time have been able to explain and differentiate religion from politics. Even in politics today, our leaders are using their position to loot as if that was why they elected them their. Some even use the law to their own advantage (as in the case of rigging).
The person is right because Christianity has really helped us than destroy us!

But the 2 million Igbos SLAUGHTERED between 1967 and 1970 would have been ALIVE TODAY If CHRISTIANITY was never introduced.

There would have been no bloody military coups and military dictatorship and mass corruption, that has led to mass poverty and millions of casualties.

The coup soldiers, like their ancestors, would have consulted traditional oracles prior to executing such a drastic action, and the oracles would have IMMEDIATELY opposed the DESECRATION OF THE LAND which the bloody January 1966 coup represented.

But as CHRISTIANS, you can wake up and decide to go and kill ten people or a thousand, or a million, or 6 million like Hitler, or 10 million like Stalin, because according to them , you are ''forgiven'' by ''JESUS'' because you ''accepted him''.

CHRISTIANITY AND EVEN ISLAM, ARE JUST A LICENSE TO COMMIT ATROCITIES.

THAT is why we have so many problems. The moral restraints imposed by Traditional African Religion are GONE.

Today, armed robbers and kidnappers VISIT PASTORS FOR BLESSINGS prior to going on an operation.

Can they ever DARE to visit the shrine of Amadioha or Shango to ask for blessings to commit robbery and kidnapping?

Amadioha would strike him down before he completes the sentence!

We used to sleep in peace before CHRISTIANITY came.

Now we sleep with one eye open in FEAR of what a CHRISTIAN armed robber or kidnapper might do.

According to the UK Guardian newspaper.

''In 1691, the Portuguese ship captain Lourenco Pinto observed: “Great Benin, where the king resides, is larger than Lisbon; all the streets run straight and as far as the eye can see. The houses are large, especially that of the king, which is richly decorated and has fine columns. The city is wealthy and industrious. It is so well governed that theft is unknown and the people live in such security that they have no doors to their houses.”

In contrast, London at the same time is described by Bruce Holsinger, professor of English at the University of Virginia, as being a city of “thievery, prostitution, murder, bribery and a thriving black market made the medieval city ripe for exploitation by those with a skill for the quick blade or picking a pocket”.''

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/mar/18/story-of-cities-5-benin-city-edo-nigeria-mighty-medieval-capital-lost-without-trace

No, it seems you fail to understand how this works, do you?

It is not because Christianity was introduced that those things happened but because Nigeria was colonized by evil men. With or without Christianity they still would have done what was on their mind.

Hitler was a christian publicly but in Christ's kingdom he's an agent of darkness. Even the US, Russia, UK and France pose as christian nations. But Christ who is the head of christians said by their fruit you will know them and he also let us know that there will be evil men who would deceive the people under the umbrella of christianity during the close of age. And we've seen them and Hitler is a good example of a false christian. That someone call himself a christian doesn't make him a christian for it is written in the scriptures that not everyone calling my name Lord lord will enter my kingdom.

Remman:
No, it seems you fail to understand how this works, do you?

It is not because Christianity was introduced that those things happened but because Nigeria was colonized by evil men. With or without Christianity they still would have done what was on their mind.

Hitler was a christian publicly but in Christ's kingdom he's an agent of darkness. Even the US, Russia, UK and France pose as christian nations. But Christ who is the head of christians said by their fruit you will know them and he also let us know that there will be evil men who would deceive the people under the umbrella of christianity during the close of age. And we've seen them and Hitler is a good example of a false christian. That someone call himself a christian doesn't make him a christian for it is written in the scriptures that not everyone calling my name Lord lord will enter my kingdom.

Anytime we call you CHRISTIANS out, you start claiming that all the CHRISTIANS who commit atrocities are not really CHRISTIANS.

You need to stop that nonsense.

One can EQUALLY claim that the traditional priests who demanded a virgin sacrifice for the community each year were ''not the real traditioal priests''.

That the ones that will give you a concoction to pour in your enemy's drink and turn him mad....are not the real ones.

That the real ones are the rainmakers, and diviners. Those whom you visit to learn about your life's purpose etc etc, and those that give you charms for divine protection against your enemies. Those whom you visit to tell you who stole your money.

SO, TWO CAN PLAY THAT GAME OF 'PICK AND CHOOSE'.

You should even thank God for the colonizers. The thing is you're only looking at the negative side of them but overlooking the positive side of them.

By now you would have still be running up and down without clothes in the bush chasing animals without been able to keep records, own a house, live like a rich man or interact with other nations.

I still know what my father and grand parents looked like so do my children and unborn generations because i have their pictures documented. Today, i'm able to communicate with someone in far away, i can take a flight around the world, i can read and write, i can keep records that the future will keep remembering me. Electricity is an important factor in all this. Stop looking at only the negative sides because even back then there were wars and freedom of movement wasn't as guaranteed as it is today due to the level of canibalism, babarism, etc. that existed then. Today we have a much more sophisticated environment. So, also look at the good things that came along.

Those babaric traditions that demanded killing of virgins for whatever reason teaches you that that is right to do so. But Christianity does not teach anyone to kill, steal or destroy for that's the exact purpose of the devil - the devil has come to steal, kill and destroy ~ Jesus.

You still need to understand a thing before you speak. From your write up, i see you're a kid. Let's assume you have a virgin child and that's your only child you'll ever have on earth and then your tradition demand her to be sacrificed on behalf of other people who has four to ten virgin children. How exactly would you feel?
Even women who were cast to the forest because they bore twins were also in support of their tradition when it was happening to others but when it happened to them they suffered in the forest and were so happy to be saved by the whites.

One thing about God is that he can use even the devil to perfect his will and bring you out of darkness.

I thank you Jesus for bringing your light to Africa.

Remman:
You should even thank God for the colonizers. The thing is you're only looking at the negative side of them but overlooking the positive side of them.

By now you would have still be running up and down without clothes in the bush chasing animals without been able to keep records, own a house, live like a rich man or interact with other nations.

I still know what my father and grand parents looked like so do my children and unborn generations because i have their pictures documented. Today, i'm able to communicate with someone in far away, i can take a flight around the world, i can read and write, i can keep records that the future will keep remembering me. Electricity is an important factor in all this. Stop looking at only the negative sides because even back then there were wars and freedom of movement wasn't as guaranteed as it is today due to the level of canibalism, babarism, etc. that existed then. Today we have a much more sophisticated environment. So, also look at the good things that came along.

Until Africans WIPE OUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU from their midst, who have refused to study their history, and have chosen to believe COLONIALIST LIES about African 'savagery', AFRICA will not move forward in any substantive manner.

We simply have to get rid of people like you. Imprison you en masse.

That's exactly what China did, as a notable Nairalander explained recently.

It was exactly what Russia did.

We MUST do that in Africa because you sellouts are a CURSE on the continent.

There is so much evidence available in this day and age, of pre-colonial African MAJESTY. I even referenced the UK Guardian report on this page, which went completely over your head.

You completely IGNORED it, only to regurgitate evil colonial lies about ''no houses, no clothes'' and other ILLITERATE NONSENSE.

Here is a drawing of Benin City, which was essentially the pre-colonial capital of Southern Nigeria. It was drawn by British visitor Mary Evans, in 1836. 60 years before the British bombed and burned it down in 1897.



Does this look like a place that needed white people from Europe to colonise them for them to make further progress?

Here is a drawing by the same woman of a VILLAGE in the Benin kingdom in 1836 - a full 78 years before colonialism began.

Can you see the multi-storey buildings in the village?

Can you see the equitable distribution of wealth evident in those buildings?

Unlike today where we have a beautiful mansion surrounded by shanties?



When we tell you people that colonial rule REGRESSED us, here is the evidence.

Because if our VILLAGES were looking like this IN 1836, IE NEARLY 200 YEARS AGO, I PUT IT TO YOU, THAT ABSENT OF COLONIALISM, THEY WOULD TODAY, BE LOOKING ABSOLUTELY SPECTACULAR.

ALL OUR VILLAGES.

Not to mention cities.

NO SHANTIES.

NO POVERTY.

AS IN ......ZERO POVERTY.

They were ALREADY AT THAT STAGE THEN, 200 YEARS AGO.

So by today, poverty would have been a total STRANGER in Africa, absent of colonial interruption.

Do you know that the Benin Empire exchanged ambassadors with Portugal starting from 1504?

They had an Embassy of the Benin Empire in Lisbon, and vice versa in Benin City.

How dare you say we had no contact with the outside world?

Do you know that Nigerians EXPORTED SOAP AND TEXTILES in huge quantities to Europe before the British invasion of Nigeria?

In fact PORTUGAL had to BAN the import of Nigerian manufactured soap in the mid 1800s in order to protect the fledgling Portuguese soap manufacturing industry.

Here is an Independent UK report detailing the mass production of GLASS by ancient Nigerians.

Glass was made in Africa centuries before arrival of Europeans, says new evidence
Chemical analysis of beads found at a site in Nigeria reveals a composition entirely unique to the region

Josh Gabbatiss
Science Correspondent





''Glass was produced in sub-Saharan Africa long before Europeans arrived, according to scientists studying beads found in Nigeria.

Chemical analysis of glass found at a Nigerian archaeological site revealed a distinct composition entirely unique to the region.

The finding contradicts a long-held assumption that glass was brought to sub-Saharan Africa by traders from the Mediterranean or the Middle East.''

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/glass-africa-made-before-european-arrival-colonialisation-advanced-technology-a8168601.html


Notably, the glass found at Igbo Olokun was also dated to between the 1100s and 1500s, centuries before Europeans established trade networks in West Africa.

“We are now confident beyond reasonable doubt that both the high lime-high alumina and low lime, high alumina groups of glass represent a glass produced in early Ile-Ife using local recipes, raw materials and technology,” wrote the researchers in their paper documenting the findings.

Their results are published in the Journal of Archaeological Science.

''The occurrence of similar beads in other West African societies, as revealed by other archaeological excavations, indicated the glass produced at Igbo Olokun was part of a wider regional trading network.''

So in the 1100s, we were manufacturing and exporting GLASS, and you are telling me that we needed 'WHITE PEOPLE' to come and ''civilize us'' in 1890 whatever?

Talking about some people not wearing clothes. Africa is HOT. That is why many people chose to dress very lightly.

Our ancestors, the PHARAOHS turned out topless.

Pharaoh Tutunkhamun, 1332 BCE


These were the builders of mighty pyramids and temples.

For thousands of years the world leaders in mathematics, geometry, medicine, surgery, architecture, astronomy, the sciences, the arts, philosophy, law, and religion.

Who told you you need to cover your entire body with clothes to be ''civilized''?

FOREIGNERS WHO LIVE IN COLDER CLIMATES, THAT'S WHO TOLD YOU THAT.

The ONLY REASON you believe today that not wearing clothes means you are uncivilized, is because you were colonised by people from very cold climates who always wore clothes. And who brainwashed you to think that the way THEY did their thing was the ''civilized'' way, as opposed to just being ''their way''.

Unbrainwash yourself.

The propagator of this thread though be armed in your ways can not defeat logic.

Logic is that you are akin to an animal domesticated, offered better care, educated, clothed, and up rooted from squalor now turn back to curse your benefactor for being such a fool for saving you asxx from ignorance.

You use your benefactor's technology, culture to spew nonsense about how you would've been better off in your cesspit.

Your ancestors couldn't add anything worthwhile to the advancement of human race but their low intelligent copy and barbaric culture.

You go on about "Great" African empires which you have no published record of but solely based on records of self same benefactors you chose to poke on.

A group of British men routed and hounded the whole Benin royal army into oblivion even sending the chief to exile. What a pity.

Also your take about Christianity and how it has caused the Civil War shows how daft and naive you are about things. Or you are on to something sinister?

All your takes are nothing but an idiotic attempt to feel superior while you and your ancestors are not.

Had it been that you and your ancestors are not such a weak race you wouldn't abandon all your cultures at the word go.

You and yours ancestors threw it all away at the slightest.. Then turn back to blame other people.

Grow up and find ways to advance humanity and stop whinging about such shameful act as what your ancestors did in the past.

The group name "CHRISTIANS" was first pronounced in an ancient city called Antioch {Act 11:26} the group given that name were the friends and disciples of a first century Jewish carpenter named Jesus of Nazareth his disciples began calling him CHRIST because of his lifestyle, supernatural gifts and what he taught them {Matthew 16:13-16} people back then most especially Jews views Jesus and his friends as fools as they will not raise weapons against anyone in the name of patriotism or nationalism in fact their religious leaders back then connived to get Jesus killed.
WHY? Because they noticed that his teachings of peace and loving both neighbours, enemies and fellow believers {Mark 12:31; Luke 6:27-28; John 13:34-35} will render their people defenceless and most importantly when they needed soldiers to fight against their oppressors the Roman empire! John 11:48

Jesus commanded his disciples never to raise weapons against anyone in fact they're never to be offensive rather they should be calm at all times! Matthew 5:39; 10:16

So when some religionists came to Africa with the book (Bible) but never had any likeness of Jesus' disciples an intellectual should know that something is wrong somewhere!

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
Mahatma Gandhi

Topman7:


Anytime we call you CHRISTIANS out, you start claiming that all the CHRISTIANS who commit atrocities are not really CHRISTIANS.

You need to stop that nonsense.

One can EQUALLY claim that the traditional priests who demanded a virgin sacrifice for the community each year were ''not the real traditioal priests''.

That the ones that will give you a concoction to pour in your enemy's drink and turn him mad....are not the real ones.

That the real ones are the rainmakers, and diviners. Those whom you visit to learn about your life's purpose etc etc, and those that give you charms for divine protection against your enemies. Those whom you visit to tell you who stole your money.

SO, TWO CAN PLAY THAT GAME OF 'PICK AND CHOOSE'.

What is your definition of a Christian?
Who is a Christian according to JESUS who Christians are following? And tell me also if it's ONLY those that claim to be Christians that have ruled nigeria, tell me also what you think about muslims and the other religions,

Goodlyhrt:
The propagator of this thread though be armed in your ways can not defeat logic.

Logic is that you are akin to an animal domesticated, offered better care, educated, clothed, and up rooted from squalor now turn back to curse your benefactor for being such a fool for saving you asxx from ignorance.

If you didn't have a LOW IQ drowned in self hatred and inferiority complex, you would have gleaned from the above posts that it was MORE THAN POSSIBLE for Africans to progress in line with modern developments without having to be invaded and colonised.

Are you even aware that black West Africans ruled large parts of Europe between 711 and 1492, nearly 800 years?

Guiding her out of her Dark Ages and into her Renaissance, which led to the Industrial Revolution?

Do you know that BLACK AFRICANS took Education to Europe?

Dolts like you, too stone-headed to learn black history, are the curse of the continent, and will be gotten rid of.

You use your benefactor's technology, culture to spew nonsense about how you would've been better off in your cesspit.

Cesspit?

You call a crime-free society with zero poverty a ''cesspit'' because you are a mentally colonised dunce, sat behind modern iron gates and barbed wire fences thinking you are in ''paradise''.

Your ancestors couldn't add anything worthwhile to the advancement of human race but their low intelligent copy and barbaric culture.

Black Africans invented speech, writing, mathematics, the sciences, the arts, Iron smelting, mining of minerals, religion, philosophy, law, architecture, medicine, astronomy, international trade, and diplomacy.

Without BLACK AFRICANS there would be no modern civilisation.

You go on about "Great" African empires which you have no published record of but solely based on records of self same benefactors you chose to poke on.

I WILL DROWN YOU IN PUBLIC RECORDS. Just wait.

Don't run from this thread, you hear?

Historical illiterate programmed to self-hate.