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Dsimmer:
Yes. The Yoruba have their messiah, Ela who's the Word born of a virgin woman, Oyigi 😎 It's stated by Ifa who calls him the only begotten child of God.

There's also another name referred as the only begotten child by Ifa. It's Jewesun, the lamb as Ifa calls it 📌 Therefore, we can say Ela is the same as Jewesun (A=X), since Ifa says God has only ONE begotten child hence both are the same thing.

Elarowaye simply means Light energy, Alive, intuition, intelligence. As a matter of fact, Ela means light energy while Rowaye means alive, Intuition, intelligence. That's what religion should be all about to begin with. It should be centered on Intelligence! In fact, Eriwoyah is derived from Rowaye which means alive, Intuition, intelligence. That's what religion should be all about to begin with. It should be centered on Intelligence!

Despite Yoruba similar names for God as the Jews, the Yoruba actually have meaning for the names in their language. Eledumare which is similar to the Jews' El'mareh means "Source of infinite creations. Olodumare is also known as Olu-iwaye. "Olu-iwaye" is obviously how the Jew got Yahweh and Elowah (Eloah). Olorun which is derived from "Orun" which means height regarded as heaven by Yoruba is also similar to the Jews' Elyon which is also derived from "Aaron" which means High.

Dsimmer:
Yes. The Yoruba have their messiah, Ela who's the Word born of a virgin woman, Oyigi 😎 It's stated by Ifa who calls him the only begotten child of God. Meanwhile Jews also call God Elah.

There's also another name referred as the only begotten child by Ifa. It's Jewesun, the lamb as Ifa calls it 📌 Therefore, we can say Ela is the same as Jewesun (A=X), since Ifa says God has only ONE begotten child hence both are the same thing.

Incorrect. Ẹlà ọmọ oyigi is not a messiah. Get your information correctly.

He blundered against Orunmila and was penalised. Hence 15th may anniversary .

Jewesu is a fraud . Forget about Christians who learn ifa and want to manipulate. Such as you think is false and wrong

Olu317:
Incorrect. Ẹlà ọmọ oyigi is not a messiah. Get your information correctly.

He blundered against Orunmila and was penalised. Hence 15th may anniversary .

Jewesu is a fraud . Forget about Christians who learn ifa and want to manipulate. Such as you think is false and wrong

No, you're the one incorrect. Èlà Oyigi born of a virgin woman is mentioned as the Word who's the only begotten child of Eledumare by Ifa. Ela is referred to as Orunmila by Ifa. Orunmila is derived from Elarowaye Omoloju Olodumare who is the primordial begotten child who became revealed to the world as Ela Oyigi born of a virgin woman. Of course, the first Ifa priest was known as Orunmila, after which, Ela Oyigi born of a virgin woman also took over the Orunmila role. It's just like how Jesus took over the priesthood role from Moses who was the first priest for the Jew/Israel.

Another name mentioned as the only begotten child by Ifa is Jewesun (Ye ki Ewe sun), the Lamb. Jewesun (Ye ki ewe sun) has its own odu which is mentioned in Oyeku and Owonrin. Since Ifa says Eledumare has only ONE begotten child, then it means Jewesun and Elarowaye are same thing. We can say IFA is probably trying to reconcile Yoruba's Elarowaye with the Jew one in a bid to point out something to the Yoruba and that begs the question of what's Yoruba's business with the Jews? Were the Yoruba part of the Jew/Isreal, considering it was only the Jew/Isreal who were promised of the Messiah born of a virgin woman?

Olu317:
Incorrect. Ẹlà ọmọ oyigi is not a messiah. Get your information correctly.

He blundered against Orunmila and was penalised. Hence 15th may anniversary .

Jewesu is a fraud . Forget about Christians who learn ifa and want to manipulate. Such as you think is false and wrong

One should not invent a new word, just like the "new school" has invented "Oke Ora" for Oduduwa without any classic record or associating oriki to this end.

The person who blundered against Orunmila was Olowo.

We can also verified this through the song "okete, bayi niwa re, o bafa mule, o da fa".

they were ore imule, they were contemporaries and people of common interest.

Dsimmer:
No, you're the one incorrect. Èlà born of a virgin woman, Oyigi is mentioned as the only begotten child of Eledumare by Ifa. Ela is also referred as Orunmila by Ifa. Orunmila represent wisdom to begin with. The first Ifa priest was named Orunmila, after which Ela took over the Orunmila role which has always been Ela role from the beginning of the world. It's just like how Jesus took over the priesthood role from Moses who was the first priest for the Isrealites.

Another name mentioned as the only begotten child by Ifa is Jewesun, the Lamb mentioned in Oyeku and Owonrin. Since Ifa says Eledumare has only ONE begotten child, then it means Jewesun and Ela are same thing. We can say IFA is probably trying to reconcile Yoruba's Ela with the Jewish one in a bid to point out something to the Yoruba and that begs the question of what's Yoruba's business with the Jews? Were the Yoruba part of the Isrealites, considering it was the Isrealites who were promised of the Messiah born of a virgin woman?

Can you cite the Yoruba version of these claims?

its said, "Ela, omoloju Eledumare" (Ela the precious child of God), then the same name "Ela, omo Olu-Orogbo" Is Olu-Orogbo the same as Mary, virgin, God?

Likewise, in Moremi's tradition of Ile-Ife, Ela was the child that Moremi lost to have victory over the Igbo. We need to compare the Yoruba text before conclusions are drawn, so its not "one sided".

absoluteSuccess:
can you cite the Yoruba version of these claims?

its said, "Ela, omoloju Eledumare" (Elam the precious child of God), then the same name "Ela, omo Olu-Orogbo" Is Olu-Orogbo the same as Mary, virgin, God? We need to compare the Yoruba text before conclusions are drawn, so its not "one sided".

Olu-orogbo is God's accolades which means "ancient ones". It's "Elarowaye (Word) Omoloju Eledumare". Anyways, Elarowaye Omoloju Olodumare is regarded as the begotten child of Eledumare who became revealed to the world as Ela Oyigi and was born of a virgin woman. Since Ifa also says Jewesun is also the begotten child and that Olodumare has only one begotten child, then it means Elarowaye is the same as Jewesun.

Jewesun is mentioned in Odu Oyeku Meji:

Atanpako ku re lese,
Gbogbo ara o jo rin pe
Bi aba pe oku ni popo,
Alaaye ni dahun
Adifa fun jewesun, odo agutan
ti nse okanbi Eledumare
olomo ateni ola legelege f'ori sagbeji
nigba ti o nbe nigbatemu omo araye
ebo won ni ko se.
Ero po , ero ofa,
Eni gbe bo nbe ko to ju ohun ebo,
Ero po, ero o fa


In Odu Owonrin Sogbe:

Owonrin So
Ogbe So,
Adifa fun Orunmila
Baba nlo te Jewesun ni fa
Ebo won ni ko se,
Nje Jewesun se rere
Jewesun Omo ope
Owonrin So, Ogbe So.

Since both Elarowaye and Jewesun are referred as only begotten child of Eledumare by Ifa, then it means both are the same thing.

The child of moremi is a different one who wasn't a priest as Ela of Oyigi, even as Moremi wasn't also a virgin, considering Moremi was married 🤔

In fact, it was stated that Moremi named her son Ela olurogbo because of the popularity and divine nature of the previous Ela olurogbo who already left.

Dsimmer:
Olu orogbo is God's accolades which means "Lord of the ancient ones". It's "Ela, Oro (the Word), Omoloju Eledumare". Anyways, Ela is referred as the child of Eledumare, born of Oyigi, a virgin.


As for Jewesun, it's mentioned in Odu Oyeku Meji:

Atanpako ku re lese,
Gbogbo ara o jo rin pe
Bi aba pe oku ni popo,
Alaaye ni dahun
Adifa fun jewesun, odo agutan
ti nse okanbi Eledumare
olomo ateni ola legelege f'ori sagbeji
nigba ti o nbe nigbatemu omo araye
ebo won ni ko se.
Ero po , ero ofa,
Eni gbe bo nbe ko to ju ohun ebo,
Ero po, ero o fa


In Odu Owonrin Sogbe:

Owonrin So
Ogbe So,
Adifa fun Orunmila
Baba nlo te Jewesun ni fa
Ebo won ni ko se,
Nje Jewesun se rere
Jewesun Omo ope.
Owonrin So, Ogbe So.

Since both Ela and Jewesun are referred as only begotten child of Eledumare by Ifa, then it means both are the same thing.

I just did a search and it seems Jewesun has been around on the internet for some time. I don't think I know all the heroes mentioned in Ifa from A to Z. This is not an invention of the op, Christianity might have infiltrated into Yorubaland the same way as Islam even before the missionary while the precept was reserved in its corrupt form in Ifa, which is Yoruba form of oral encyclopedia.

Point of correction

Your input says "Ela, Oro (omo loju Eledumare)". Yes I understand that the Yoruba do say "Ela l'oro" to mean "clarity defines a word" or "aisorola lo pelenpe akoko..." I also understand that Ela is the name of an ancient religious personality in Yoruba. My inquiry: is the phrase "Ela, Oro..." or "Ela, omoloju Eledumare"? Bringing the two words in the same place is yours, if not let me know sir.

absoluteSuccess:
I just did a search and it seems Jewesun has been around on the internet for some time. I don't think I know all the heroes mentioned in Ifa from A to Z. This is not an invention of the op, Christianity might have infiltrated into Yorubaland the same way as Islam even before the missionary while the precept was reserved in its corrupt form in Ifa, which is Yoruba form of oral encyclopedia.

Point of correction

Your input says "Ela, Oro (omo loju Eledumare)". Yes I understand that the Yoruba do say "Ela l'oro" to mean "clarity defines a word" or "aisorola lo pelenpe akoko..." I also understand that Ela is the name of an ancient religious personality in Yoruba. My inquiry: is the phrase "Ela, Oro..." or "Ela, omoloju Eledumare"? Bringing the two words in the same place is yours, if not let me know sir.

As you noted, both Ela Oyigi and Jewesun have always been known to the Yoruba before the missionary came to Yoruba. In fact, before an ifa man consult anything from ifa, he must first call upon and say "Ela loro" which means "to enlighten".. I even learned that it was Orunmila who brought fasting to the Yoruba, called "Isera" for fasting which has always been known to the Yoruba before any foreign religions/missionary came.

Point is both Ela Oyigi and Jewesun have got their own odu in Ifa, even as Ifaodu says Elarowaye is the begotten child who was revealed as Ela Oyigi born of a virgin woman, just as Jewesun is also called the begotten child and since Ifa says Eledumare Ayeraye has only one child, then it means both Elarowaye and Jewesun are the same.

We can say ifa is pointing out something to the Yoruba hence why Ifa often reconcile the Yoruba's Elarowaye (Ela Oyigi) with that of the Jewish one, even as both are born of a virgin woman but the question is what's Yoruba business with the Jews to begin with and that's a mystery? 🤔

absoluteSuccess:
One should not invent a new word, just like the "new school" has invented "Oke Ora" for Oduduwa without any classic record or associating oriki to this end.

The person who blundered against Orunmila was Olowo.

We can also verified this through the song "okete, bayi niwa re, o bafa mule, o da fa".

they were ore imule, they were contemporaries and people of common interest.

The Oke Ora is not a new invention. Like I had always maintained here, Ke Ra is in Egypt and Yoruba ancestors have knowledge of Oke Ora.

And these they always maintained the name. Although Ileife in Nigeria is highly held as the place of ancient Ileife which I personally disagree.

It is very clear about the dynasties that existed.Orunmila is the first Oba Ileife Oodeaye.

The situation that brought Oduduwa to become Ooni came through Obadio (omoologun) household who is the head of Idio.

Obaluru is the head of Iloromu who stand as the head of oldest deifed ancestor called Ora mfe etc with other Obas in ileife that made up the thirteen groups, that lorded over as overlord king of kings.

Therefore, your view is far away from ileife information that are know to them. Plainly Baba, there is a how Odudua is praised every morning because the occupier on throne is a direct male descendant of Oranmiyan, Ogun and Odudua respectively.

"Ogun" who birthed Oranmiyan had "Ogun"as prefix to his name.This is well known to Ileife people and lords in ileife.

But who do be blame for this misconception ?Samuel Johnson or Obadiah Johnson's error dented Ileife history.But such has been corrected.

Contrary to Atiba descendants, through erroneous information from Samuel Johnson who claimed A slave occupied Oranmiyan's seat i.e Odudua throne remained a facade. And that Oranmiyan died in Oyo and never came to Ileife.

Today, Ileife have given information about how Ade Aladikun was taken by Ooni Oranmiyan and givn to Ajaka in one of the annual festival , all kings came to Ileife to pay homage to Ooni ileife.

My point is clear. Odudua the man and overlord king of Ileife came down through Oke Ora as others did and he was a citizen of ileife. Oke ora information is not false and not new.

Sorry for the late response. Being busy.

Cheers

Olu317:
The Oke Ora is not a new invention. Like I had always maintained here, Ke Ra is in Egypt and Yoruba ancestors have knowledge of Oke Ora.

And these they always maintained the name. Although Ileife in Nigeria is highly held as the place of ancient Ileife which I personally disagree.

It is very clear about the dynasties that existed.Orunmila is the first Oba Ileife Oodeaye.

The situation that brought Oduduwa to become Ooni came through Obadio (omoologun) household who is the head of Idio.

Obaluru is the head of Iloromu who stand as the head of oldest deifed ancestor called Ora mfe etc with other Obas in ileife that made up the thirteen groups, that lorded over as overlord king of kings.

Therefore, your view is far away from ileife information that are know to them. Plainly Baba, there is a how Odudua is praised every morning because the occupier on throne is a direct male descendant of Oranmiyan, Ogun and Odudua respectively.

"Ogun" who birthed Oranmiyan had "Ogun"as prefix to his name.This is well known to Ileife people and lords in ileife.

But who do be blame for this misconception ?Samuel Johnson or Obadiah Johnson's error dented Ileife history.But such has been corrected.

Contrary to Atiba descendants, through erroneous information from Samuel Johnson who claimed A slave occupied Oranmiyan's seat i.e Odudua throne remained a facade. And that Oranmiyan died in Oyo and never came to Ileife.

Today, Ileife have given information about how Ade Aladikun was taken by Ooni Oranmiyan and givn to Ajaka in one of the annual festival , all kings came to Ileife to pay homage to Ooni ileife.

My point is clear. Odudua the man and overlord king of Ileife came down through Oke Ora as others did and he was a citizen of ileife. Oke ora information is not false and not new.

Sorry for the late response. Being busy.

Cheers

Thanks very much for the piece of enlightenment you dropped up there in the post sir, I will definitely do my research on the point raised and share my know;edge on the matter from the best angle findings would afford me.

We learn everyday.

Dsimmer:
As you noted, both Ela of Oyigi and Jewesun have always been known to the Yoruba before the missionary came to Yoruba. In fact, before an ifa man consult anything from ifa, he must first call upon and say "Ela loro" which means "to enlighten" or "to proffer wisdom".. I even learned that it was Ela (also known as Orunmila) who brought fasting to the Yoruba, called "Isera" for fasting which has always been known to the Yoruba before any foreign religions/missionary came.

Point is, both Ela and Jewesun have got their own odu in Ifa who calls both Ela and Jewesun as the only begotten child of Eledumare. Since Ifa says Eledumare has only one child, then it means both are same.

We can say ifa is pointing out something to the Yoruba hence why Ifa often reconcile the Yoruba's Ela of Oyigi with that of the Jewish one, even as both are born of a virgin woman 📌but the question is what's Yoruba business with the Jews to begin with and that's a mystery? 🤔

Quite interesting. Please do more research and let the facts speak. Don't be enthusiastic to the point of putting the slightest iota in any ancient word or phrase of Yoruba history so you can see things clearer.

Being patience to learn what a word conceals in Yoruba is a great and rewarding virtue. Lets do some exercise in that order. We would look at Oyela and elaro wa. That's what babalawos says most often.

Oye la, elaro wa. Compare: ojumo mo, Oye la peregede. Contrast: Ooye, life. Eja (oku-eko) this stands for frozen fish. Eja ooye (onmi) this stands for live fish. Oye is a function of mi: breath, or shift. Ye: to move or be displaced. To be breathing, Ye, to survive. Ooye: one that (nmi) breathes.

Deduction: Ye (shift): "b'oju ba y'eju, kohun ma ye" displacement of contact between two bodies, ye; yera. slide, slid off. Yera-body that slid off surface contact with another body in time and space.

Oye la: let the displaced break forth. Literally, let there be light. Light upon an uncertain issue.

Ela ro wa: Let the essence of the displaced (sunshine) rain through.

Baa f'emo loju a riran.

I pray you go far sir.

absoluteSuccess:
Quite interesting. Please do more research and let the facts speak. Don't be enthusiastic to the point of putting the slightest iota in any ancient word or phrase of Yoruba history so you can see things clearer.

Being patience to learn what a word conceals in Yoruba is a great and rewarding virtue. Lets do some exercise in that order. We would look at Oyela and elaro wa. That's what babalawos says most often.

Oye la, elaro wa. Compare: ojumo mo, Oye la peregede. Contrast: Ooye, life. Eja (oku-eko) this stands for frozen fish. Eja ooye (onmi) this stands for live fish. Oye is a function of mi: breath, or shift. Ye: to move or be displaced. To be breathing, Ye, to survive. Ooye: one that (nmi) breathes.

Deduction: Ye (shift): "b'oju ba y'eju, kohun ma ye" displacement of contact between two bodies, ye; yera. slide, slid off. Yera-body that slid off surface contact with another body in time and space.

Oye la: let the displaced break forth. Literally, let there be light. Light upon an uncertain issue.

Ela ro wa: Let the essence of the displaced (sunshine) rain through.

Baa f'emo loju a riran.

I pray you go far sir.

While Oye means Life (even as Ela Oyigi didn't die but resurrected and ascended), Oye also means knowledge and clarity. For example, "Oye" means knowledge and understanding. "Oye la" means "break it down and enlighten with clarity".. Since Ifa always speak in parables, I won't be surprised if Ifa deliberately use the "Oye" word to emphasize intelligence should always be paramount.

absoluteSuccess:
Thanks very much for the piece of enlightenment you dropped up there in the post sir, I will definitely do my research on the point raised and share my know;edge on the matter from the best angle findings would afford me.

We learn everyday.

Information are sacred and we should put more effort in deep digging to ascertain Yoruba families and establishment of the society that birthed Yoruba language.

Even Yoruba people's dna is also worth looking at with the complexity

Dsimmer:
While Oye means Life (even as Ela Oyigi didn't die but resurrected and ascended), Oye also means knowledge and clarity. For example, "Oye" means knowledge and understanding. "Oye la" means "break it down and enlighten with clarity".. Since Ifa always speak in parables, I won't be surprised if Ifa deliberately use the "Oye" word to emphasize that intelligence should be paramount.

Let me add that "Oye la" is also similar as "Ela mi loye" which means "enlighten me with knowledge".. So the emphasis is on knowledge. So while Oye means Life and knowledge, it also represents wisdom thus Elarowaye.

It's just like how Aye means Life, Lion and God in Hebrew language. Aye also means the same thing in Yoruba language, that is, Aye means Life, Universe of Existence and God except Lion. Yoruba calls Lion Kiniun. Hebrew word for a Young Lion is Kfir btw.

Olu317:
Information are sacred and we should put more effort in deep digging to ascertain Yoruba families and establishment of the society that birthed Yoruba language.

Even Yoruba people's dna is also worth looking at with the complexity

Very true input there, whatever we have is what we relay to the next generation.

We keep on the work, hopefully time will reveal more secrets.

Dsimmer:
The Yoruba throne below with the Solomon knot which also designed on the seat of it.

Second is a royal wearing a clothing designed with it.

Below is another Yoruba old art with the Ìbò (Solomon knot inscription) at the British museum.