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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by germaphobe(m): 12:54pm On May 24 |
Smith had more impact in the minutes he played than Viera did, so I don't get where this your argument is coming from. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by mostob(m): 12:55pm On May 24 |
Jodera:Let me ask you again, the ESR you mentioned here, when did he performed all these? 3 seasons ago! That is what you're using to judge him. The bolded is blasphemy. Well, ESR is your special guy. A beloved son so you will do everything to defend him. Imagine saying ESR is more explosive than Saka. The same ESR we all watched this season? chai. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by mostob(m): 12:57pm On May 24 |
daveP:I've learned to allow Arteta do his transfers himself. Ramsdale, White, Havertz, Odegaard...who else? These transfers all raised an eyebrow but today, he has been vindicated. So if Arteta wants Rashford, I would believe he knows the player's weaknesses and he is willing to reshape him. 1 Like |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by mostob(m): 12:58pm On May 24 |
germaphobe:Bring the stat. I'm open for debate. Go and bring their stats here and let's see. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by mostob(m): 1:06pm On May 24 |
germaphobe:Saka has an average speed of 30km. ESR has 26km. From UEFA site. I think you are mistaking his driving runs for speed. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 1:07pm On May 24 |
Xavi sacked at Barca ! 1 Like |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by mostob(m): 1:08pm On May 24 |
daveP:Yea... I actually want someone who will not only score but contribute in other aspects as well. 1 Like |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by mostob(m): 1:09pm On May 24 |
BlueRayDick:That Laporta na clown. Xavi already stated his desire to leave at the end of the season but Laporta begged him to stay. Hansi Flick will be their new coach. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by mostob(m): 1:16pm On May 24 |
germaphobe:Without even checking, I remember that Chelsea match. That's the kind of match you would expect him to do something. His performance that day was shocking. I'll still like you to bring their stats here. Since we want to compare, let's do so. ESR is good and he has his own days but Vieira will offer us something more. The only weak point in my argument is whether ESR will still get back to his previous level and even exceed it. His incessant injuries will determine that. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 1:17pm On May 24 |
mostob:Which exploits then should I use? Okay which exploits are you using for Viera that shows that he got it more than ESR? Everyone knows ESR got it and he needs game time for sharpness after his long lay off. Yet you claimed he's regressed. Chaiii |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 1:21pm On May 24 |
mostob:It's blasphemy that ESR have more pace and explosiveness than Saka?? Ewwwehhh!!! It's confirmed, you've forgotten who ESR is/was And you're saying 3 seasons ago. Let's pretend that Martinelli was not once like ESR in injury and even in up to almost 3 seasons in and out because of injury but he was eased In finally in 2021/22 season. The season we finished 5th |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by germaphobe(m): 1:24pm On May 24 |
mostob:I don't do stats bro, I watch football and analyze all expect of the game, from the formation and system the team played down to the way each player execute theirs not just stats and figures. ESR has the player to disturb the defense and have a good vision too, he just needs regular play time to show up again. This season between the times he played and the times Viera played, Baba, he had more impact than Viera. I dey watch ball no be stats Snr |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by mostob(m): 1:26pm On May 24 |
Jodera:And which exploits are you using to rate ESR ahead of Vieira? Exploits of three years ago? Was Vieira in the team then? The faith Arteta had in ESR that made him give ESR that #10 jersey after his exploits, has ESR repaid the faith? I think most are still stuck in the past. We kuku gather praise the same ESR when he was doing well. What is so bad in mentioning his regression? How will he get the game time when he is always injured? The little minutes he got this season, what did he do with it? Vieira was not getting minutes too but immediately he came on in that Fulham match, we saw his impacts. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 1:30pm On May 24 |
mostob:ESR was in our 5-0 win against Sheffield and he impressed ESR was in our 2-0 win against Luton and he impressed winning Motm even when he wasn't Match fit He started both matches Tell me Viera own he impressed this season? Lemme guess just the Fulham match. I don't want to even talk about when he started against relegation team like Southampton just like ESR(Vs Luton) did and he fvcked us up |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 1:36pm On May 24 |
mostob:I said it... Only Fulham. Lol. But what made ESR regressed? Did he even have his match fitness yet or you don't know he's still not sharp. ESR against Luton should show you he still got it but you're still looking at him from 3 seasons ago. And nobody is stuck in the past here. Everybody knows ESR needs match rhythm to get his form back. The Viera you're even placing side by side with him never even do anything consistent for this team sef |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by mostob(m): 1:38pm On May 24 |
Jodera:Yes... You can go search and bring your findings here. Which Martinelli was out for 3 seasons? You see why I said you're just defending ESR because you like him personally. In 2020, Martinelli only missed 22 games. That was when he was battling with injuries and Arteta had to be patient with him. So which Martinelli was in and out for 3 seasons? There was a time ESR was benching Martinelli because the former was in the form of his life. He even get called up to England's squad. So, where is that form?! Why has he find it difficult to replicate the same form? The miscommunication here is that you think I don't like ESR which is not true. There are some players you need to let go. You can't expect Arteta to be ruthless and yet still berate him if ESR is sold. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by germaphobe(m): 1:42pm On May 24 |
Jodera:No loud that Viera talk abeg, person get headache for front seat.. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by mostob(m): 1:45pm On May 24 |
Jodera:You think I can't mention more. I used Fulham because of you actually. I knew you would definitely remember that match. To even think you can only mention Luton eh. In your quote that started this argument, everything you said there were from 3 years ago so who is stuck in the past. I based my argument on when both became teammates. And the point here is that he deals with too much injuries for him to find his rythm. Come on, we both follow our games now. If I bring receipts here, here go full |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by germaphobe(m): 1:47pm On May 24 |
What you do not understand is that the boy is coming back from a very difficult injury, after 2 years of managing a groin issue he finally got surgery and while still trying to come out from that he got a knee injury. I remember reading somewhere that even his doctor abi physiotherapist told the team not to rush him too. The medical team and the coach are taking their time and he's improving gradually, but you choose not to see it that way. You see him as a finished goods that have regressed so bad and needs change. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by mostob(m): 1:49pm On May 24 |
germaphobe:If you don't do stats, then you have no valid assumption to arrive at your conclusion. I'm not even talking about goals or assists. You're actually using ESR of 3 seasons ago to drive home your point which is invalid. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 1:52pm On May 24 |
mostob:Like I said, I'm not against ESR going. I'm against you saying ESR can't play wings or Midfield because he doesn't fit into our system while bringing in Viera as someone who can perform better when he hasn't even shown it here so far while ESR have done the opposite countlessly. I'm against you saying ESR is limited in midfield and wing when he's proved he has it here before. He hasn't even have a run of game yet you claim he's regressed. Meanwhile the Viera you're championing for can lay claim to just one Match. One match as a sub (against Fulham). ESR own, I've called two matches this season where he really impressed. ESR still get credit for him bank for what he's done in this team and that will be used for him. Let Viera do his own and he'll have his own credit Imagine me saying Martinelli have regressed cos he underwhelmed this season. And this is someone who even had game time this season sef |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by mostob(m): 1:52pm On May 24 |
germaphobe:No need getting emotional. The main injury issue he had was his growth spurt or whatever. He did surgery last season and was giving time to recuperate which he got throughout last season. Now tell me where his injuries this season is coming from. ESR is too injury proned. He was carefully eased in but the moment he started getting his rythm, another injury struck again. Is that the players you want us to depend on eh... |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by mostob(m): 1:57pm On May 24 |
Jodera:That's it. You were the number one person hammering on why Vieira usually changed our games whenever he comes in for Havertz earlier this season. I understand ESR may be your favorite sha as you chose not to mention his bad games too. You credited a 5-0 win against Sheffield to ESR but wanted Vieira to take all the blame against Southampton? You can do better than that bro The ESR that won the 'MOTM' against Luton, how did everything go after that match? |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 1:58pm On May 24 |
mostob:Bring Receipts make I bring receipts I didn't mention one, I mentioned 2 matches (Luton and Sheffield) If Viera no see first 11 to play with. Like complete first 11, my guy go succumb. I'm certain if Viera started against that much changed arsenal team against Luton, we for dey insult Arteta on how him don fvck up our season From Southampton to Sporting to West ham (league cup). Dem must just dominate our Midfield once it's not the first 11 for Viera |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 2:07pm On May 24 |
mostob:I never did the bolded. I said that's the match he surprised me at cos I didn't expect it. The only thing I've always said about Havertz and I'm Consistent with it is that he should play Cf. And till today that's the only match Viera have impressed me this season. I didn't credit ONLY ESR against Luton and Sheffield. I said he impressed in those games. Viera on the other hand was unimpressive in his own games. Even in games one would lose, at least show why you're a star or stand out but Viera would succumb. Opponents would bully him and sometimes dominate us. Let Viera shine then we'll give his accolades. If na ESR and Odegaard or Jorginho you dey talk about, I for gree. No be ontop one match (Fulham) naim Viera go use win hearts. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by daveP(m): 2:08pm On May 24 |
germaphobe:Na Villa he go retire be dat. Phew. What a baller |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by mostob(m): 2:10pm On May 24 |
Jodera:You have not answered my questions though. You can't bring Martinelli here, it will weaken your stance. Martinelli is not injury proned like ESR. Imagine saying Martinelli was in and out for 3 seasons. I just want to believe na desperation because this is the first time I'll see you make such bogus statement. When I said ESR is limited, that doesn't mean he won't flourish in another team. But you mistook that limited for bad. Look at the Calibre of wingers in EPL and tell me where ESR stands. And the way you stood with ESR, one would think he has 10 G/A since the start of last season. You mentioned just two games but failed to mention the matches where he dropped a stinker. I still stand by it, Arsenal stands to gain a lot if Vieira stays rather than ESR. ESR has the homegrown stuff and past exploits in his favour yet he is the one generating transfer speculations. We ain't in 2020 bro. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by daveP(m): 2:11pm On May 24 |
mostob:one funny thing about the Arteta rebuild is the Hale End guys that never envisaged benefiting are the ones that will las las. Almost a dozen has left after playing at least 7games in senior team. Looks like ESR is going due to his contract situation. If he leaves, i doubt Nelson will stay too. That will bring the Hale boys departure to 14 i think. Na the ones wey never really kick ball go kon enjoy the dominance era. Life |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 2:11pm On May 24 |
germaphobe:Lol... |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by daveP(m): 2:12pm On May 24 |
BlueRayDick:He should come to EPL or gonto France |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 2:18pm On May 24 |
mostob:If you check the reason why I initially quoted you (my first quote to you today), it's because you claim he's limited in midfield and not pacy in wings. I never had issues on your post with injuries or selling him. What I'm against is you denying his talent saying he can't build up or press or sort or doesn't suit our system. C'mon!!! If arsenal wants to sell because they suspect he's our next doctor as Blueray says, fine and good especially now that he's still high in value. But if it's about Skillset or that he has regressed, that's what I'm against. And certainly not against Viera who has shown his skillset is mainly for counter attacking team. But we watch. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by mostob(m): 2:19pm On May 24 |
Jodera:You're just being one-sided eh. You didn't even mentioned how he impressed in that match. In two seasons, you can only mention just two matches. I only mentioned Fulham match and you have stuck to that since. And then you have refused to mention where ESR dropped stinkers and you avoided that too. In two seasons, you can only mention just two matches. It is Ok. |
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