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seunmsg:
Isreali leaders know the west can't do anything to them other than make empty noise. Everyone knows that Israel had since crossed the red line and now committing serious war crimes in Rafah but they are all going to look away or at best make empty noise like this.

When ll the hostages of Oct 7th be released?
Has Hamas met with Israelis condition for peace?
Lastly, why are people like you more concerned about Palestine but overlook Nigeria's issues. A times, it's like you only come here to defend APC.
This is from a neutral ground. Answer the questions honorably!

Whalis:
You think European left the comfort of Europe to live in the hot desert of Asia? I don't know which book deludes you into the queer ideology.
Ask Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanian, Persians (Iraq and Iran) their ancient neighbors they would all mention Israel. Who are these Palestinians? They are vestiges of pilgrims who visited the Holy Land and decided not to return to their home countries. Apart from Palestine a name given to them by the Romans which other name do they go by?

Don't mind them. They are very deluded and myopic in their judgement. Paraventure they Palistine settled around the globe return home after normality, mostly in Europe and America and not among their middle east brothers, they too will become Europeans and American settlers. I was surprise to hear that El rufia now resides in United States built on a tenant and ideology different from his and his people. Europe will surely pay jn the nearest future with their woke ideology, though rhey are mostly cowards reason they depend on America to curtail Russia. All these protests, have u heard any in Russia, China or India? It tells u how these people perceive people of the other side.

EponObi:
Dead all these virtue signaling and hypocrisy already. You didn't stop them in Gaza; you guys gave your support when Israel started the invasion last year. That was when the west should have drawn the line. It's too late now after signaling to Netanyahu you lots are weaklings.

The press conference by the US VP Kamala and Biden issuing stearn warning to Israel to stop the assault fell on deaf ears. After these, the US went ahead to approve war funding to Israel. Who are the Westerners deceiving?

November should come quickly so Trump can take the rein of global politics. The democrats and Biden have done enough damage.

biden wil floor trump with an unbelievable wide margin, even republicans know trump is a disaster

Hamas are in for it. The problem now is that the hostages are all dead so nothing to release. Hamas would have released them if they were still alive.

Paraman:
I'm still waiting for when the hypocritical west will start sanctioning Israel and netayanhu

Have they not done enough in aids for the Palestinians?
You hypocrites always point to the wests,is this macron not a westerner?

Why don't you people ever talk about Saudi Arabia?!

TWoods:
Long time no see oga.

Most countries have lobbies in the States. Israel is not special in that regard. What is clear though is that a majority of Americans see through what is essentially an Islamic jihad against the Jews. This is the ONLY CONFLICT that unites ALL MUSLIMS the world over... that reason isn't land (Israel is a tiny nation that would comfortably fit inside Nigeria). Muslims are not upset when Muslims are killed in Yemen, Sudan, Syria, and Iran. Muslims weren't upset when Jordan expelled Hamas in 1999. Muslims didn't care when Egypt proscribed Hamas and built a wall to keep Palestinians out of their country. Muslims turned a blind eye when Syria's Assad slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in 2018. Muslims only care when Israel is involved...

Read your writeups on this thread. Insightful and shows you've knowledge of events.
DeepSight is a janjawēed like God001, Seunmsg, ThatFairGuy1, Krismas, Antichristisn, Rashduct4luv, Biodun556. Them many here o!
Theybsfouod cry harder. Sensible people know Hamas is fighting jihad.
Cry harder janjawēeds

Paraman:
I'm still waiting for when the hypocritical west will start sanctioning Israel and netayanhu

Senseless talk if decare not ready for this y did de start it and till refuse to release the hostage till date.

Justiceleague1:
Have they not done enough in aids for the Palestinians?
You hypocrites always point to the wests,is this macron not a westerner?

Why don't you people ever talk about Saudi Arabia?!

DeepSight, God001, Seunmsg, ThatFairGuy1, Krismas Antichristisn Rashduct4luv, Biodun556, call on Saudi Arabia for help and intervention.

DeepSight:
It has been answered. How many more innocents blood will cure your thirst?

The person I'm replying said the west should have intervened when israel invaded gaza. Learn to read

jiz:
France must also stop their exploitation mission in Africa too

Don't mind hypocrite Macron, let him go take a bath first!

What did Hamas commit on October 7th? War misdemeanor right?

seunmsg:
Isreali leaders know the west can't do anything to them other than make empty noise. Everyone knows that Israel had since crossed the red line and now committing serious war crimes in Rafah but they are all going to look away or at best make empty noise like this.

Set the hostages free. Period!

EponObi: November should come quickly so Trump can take the rein of global politics. The democrats and Biden have done enough damage.

And who assured you it would've been better with Trump?!

TWoods:
This is provably false.

1. Gaza has a GDP far higher than that of most African countries. It's "economy" is far better than that of Nigeria.

I dont think I need to respond to this brazen and absurd falsehood.

2. Egypt has a fortified border with Gaza, but strangely is never accused of making Gaza an open air prison.

This is because Egypt -

1. Is not the occupying power with respect to Gaza and West Bank
2. Maintains its border for the main purpose of avoiding a clash with that very same occupying power.

3. Hamas is somehow able to bring in thousands of Iranian missiles, rockets, drones... who is the incompetent keeper of this "open air prison"

In prisons the world over, smuggling of illiicit goods such as drugs, tobacco and alcohol still occur. That there is successful smuggling into Gaza does not disprove its status as a prison. It actually affirms it, because if it were not blockaded, there would be no need for smuggling. They would simply legitimately import arms just the way other free countries do.

Again false. All you've done is regurgitate buzzwords and talking points.

1. West Bank is an illegitimate name for "Judea and Samaria" given to that land by Jordan after it illegally annexed it in 1948. No maps of the Levant pre-1948 have the name "west bank". UN resolution 181 of 1947 refers to that land by its historical name of over 2000 years - Judea/Samaria.

Names are not so relevant as actually history. Names come from many sources. That the world "Nigeria"is a British invention does not mean the peoples called Nigerians today did not already live in the space called Nigeria today.

2. The controls placed on movement in the "west bank" is a response to the intifadas from the 1990s... google it and the thousands of Israelis who were killed by incessant suicide bombs.

The United Nations and the International Community have recognized Israeli settlements on the West Bank as illegal for decades now. There is no justification for them. What does the word ïntifada mean? It means uprising. And yes, a captive people have a right to rise up and revolt. Even violently, yes, because they are kept captive with violence.

More than 30,000 Gazans had free access to work in Isreal until Oct 7, 2023... your guess is as good as mine.

Millions of black South Africans had access to white reserved areas in apartheid South Africa with their work passes in order to go and work. What part of the mechanics of cheap slave labor do you fail to understand?

Gaza has over 30 hospitals, all far superior to anything Nigeria has.

You accuse me of lying and yet you lie with breathtaking ease.
At all events, they have all been flattened as we speak - under the usual Israeli excuse that they are actually Hamas bases.

You've once again lied.

1. How are Arabs ancestral to Judea and Samaria? Jesus, a jew, was born in Bethlehem... Emperor Hadrian gave the name Syria Palaestina to Judea after crushing the Jewish bar kochba revolt (Israel was a colony of Rome at that time - this is fully documented in the bible and other historical works like Josephus) in AD 132... where were these arabs?

Now here is what you biblical lot fail to understand. Populations move. Migration is a steady fact of history. Conquest, wars, famines, trade, and myriad other factors ensure the constant fluidity of populations.

Now settle down and understand. Jerusalem was sacked in 70 A.D, almost 2000 years ago. After that, most of the Jews moved into diaspora, in the middle east as well as Europe. Mostly into Europe. In the intervening time, there was the rise of Christianity and Islam. At the time of the first crusade about one thousand years ago, Arabs had already migrated into the land called Palestine (I have told you already that the fact that Rome gave the name is inconsequential). And through four to five crusades which lasted centuries, Arabs and European Christians contested that land and dwelt there along with a small Jewish remnant, because the majority of Jews had since moved into diaspora.

Now, you have European settlers who are recognized as indigenes of America even though they only moved there in the last few centuries. How can you claim that Arabs who have been in Palestine for over a thousand years from the time of the crusades are not indigenous to the land? Indeed, they were the dominant people of that land thoughout the last millenium all the way down to the time of the Ottoman Empire which also colonized the place.

After the second world war, there was a move by European powers to resolve the Jewish question of Europe by creating a Jewish state. And because Britain held Palestine under a United Nations Mandate, they were able to create the State of Israel in 1948 under a United Nations mandate. And for this reason, Jews who had been living in Europe for 2000 years, Jews who had been thoroughly Europeanized therefore, were moved back to a Palestine which already had Arabs dwelling there for more than a thousand years. There is no way you can claim that a settler population which had lived in Europe for the last two thousand years to the extent that they have become white - unlike the brown color of their semitic cousins in the same region - are more indigenous to the land than those who have dwelt there for the last one thousand years.

And yes, this is why it is not wrong to call them Europeans. They are settlers from Europe, and many of them are not actual Jews. Any serious observer knows that the Israelis of today are simply not the same as the Israelites of the bible. Those Israelities of the bible were semitic people just as Arabs are semitic people - they were not the caucasian white men we see in Israel today. They were every bit as brown skinned as Arabs are today.

Needless to say, when you try such a settlement of a foreign poulation, conflict will break out. That Israel came out on top is a fact of life based on the technological superiority of the Europeans. This says nothing about the authentic and historical issues at play. \

Since that time, every peace agreement which has arisen from the Western world to resolve this issue is horribly skewed. At all events, the apartheid repressive policies which the European colonial settlers have maintained agains the indigenous Arabs remain inhumane and condemnable by all people of conscience.

2. To call Jews "European settlers" is despicable. Many jews are Mizrahis... google that.

And Ashkenazi Europeans. Please try not to send me to google. I find that irritating.

"3. The first leader of the Palestinian Authority was Yassar Arafat in 1964... google where he was born.Al Masri"... google the meaning.

I know where he was born. And it is inconsequential.

In other words, you have regurgitated the same idiocy i read on X all day... half baked buzzwords.

I have not insulted you today. You have started again and later you will end up the way you did the other day by calling me rude.

Read up the appeal to authority fallacy... that's what you committed here. The truth is irrelevant because Desmond Tutu said something.

Please try not to ask me to read up elementary things.

This is not a mere appeal to authority. Mandela and Tutu are not professional experts in some field of knowledge such as humanitarian sciences. They are people who lived through a very very real, very very vicious and visceral racist system and they are recognized heroic fighters against that injustice. It is not unreasonable to think that such people will be in a vantage position to recognize the very system they laboured against when pepertuated yet again by Europeans in another land.

At all events you should be careful with the negation of what may appear an appeal to authority. As a lawyer, I know very well that even courts of law, which are places of evidence, place reliance on the testimony of both experts in a field as well as people who have had substantal experience of a matter. So some appeals to authority can be rational, and i put it to you that even where citing the views of Mabiba and Tutu are an appeal to authority, it would be a rational one.

20% of Israel are arabs, who have supreme court justices and their own political party. How many Jews are in Syria, Lebanon, Gaza or Jordan? Amazing how we deny such glaring apartheid, only to bellyache about Israel.

Firstly, there is no reason why Arabs will not be part of Israel when as I have told you, they have lived tehre for over a thousand years. It is the Israeli population that was imported, not them. Secondly this takes nothing away from the reality of apartheid being enforced against the Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza.

Israel does not recognize Jesus as Lord, but they recognize him as an important historical figure. That you dismiss his relevance to this issue shows where you are coming from too. If Bethlehem is the ancestral home of arabs... when did that change? After jesus was born of before?

I dont think your focusing this issue around Jesus is useful in anyway. As far as the Jews are concerned there are far more important historical figures than Jesus. Such as Abraham, who came from Ur of the Chaldeans - a place which was in modern day Iraq. So be careful when you want to go back into history and just how far back yoy want to go.

And how did the so called promised land now become the inheritance of his descendants? Because their mountain deity told them to go and kill the Canaanites there and take the land as theirs, right? By genocide right? Please see the book of Samuel to read the specific genocidal injunctions of Yahweh where he decrees that even the cattle of the people who owned that land should be slaughtered. Is this the biblical history on which you benchmark your belief that this land belongs to "the chosen people?"

cc: tctrills. I only tag you here because I doubt I will ever have the special energy to address you on some of the issues touched on here. I can only pray that you will think seriously about them for once.

Hear this

This are the babies Israel burnt and beheaded all in the sake of eliminating evil, you all called Hamas terrorists if you can support this act of barbarism then you are more worst than a terrorist.

Israel must not back down in the operation no amount of threat should dissuade them

DeepSight:
Gaza is an open air prison where Israel does not permit even cookies for kids to be brought in. The place is restricted, under a firm stranglehold. Access to power, water, import, export and free movement are all controlled and determined by the occupying power, Israel. In the West Bank, illegal European settlements continue to expand. The Palestinians there do not have the right of free movement and like black South Africans in apartheid South Africa, they have to show passes and permits to have access to certain areas - many of them cannot access proper hospitals because of this. They are routinely removed from their ancestral homes which are given to European settlers forcefully. They do not have the right of a sovereign state at the insistence of Israel and the US in particular. If all this (and much more), is not apartheid, what is? Both Mandela and Bishop Desmond Tutu, men who fought apartheid, said they recognise what is going on in Palestine as apartheid, and this is why Mandela said we will never be free until Palestine is also free.

That you mention Jesus shows where you are coming from. Probably you are one of those who support Israel for sentimental religious reasons, even though Israel does not recognise Jesus and does not give a hoot about Christianity .

No one comes back to a land after 2000 years to claim it as his because his ancestors once lived there. Land law doesnt work that way anywhere in the world.

You're happy that the Jews were forcefully expelled from their homelands by foreign colonial powers and therefore should never return since their homelands have been reoccupied by Arab migrants from Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt and Irak.

Unfortunately for you and your types, the true owners of the land are back and no force on earth can remove them from that land again.

Straybullet:
The person I'm replying said the west should have intervened when israel invaded gaza. Learn to read

Noted with apologies.

DeepSight:
Well said Macron.

This rogue state called Israel must be stopped.

I am certain, in our lifetime, we will see the defeat of this monstrous colonial oppression. Just as we saw the end of apartheid in South Africa.

Contrary to your claim that you're not a Muslim, you're a hardcore Jihadist. It is only Muslims that somehow believe Israel will be defeated and destroyed. You just exposed yourself with this your post.

Tell me how/why a normal person would wish for the destruction of Israel if you're not a raving Mohamedan maniac?

I have generally avoided this issue for reasons known to me.

However the recent attack on the camp is totally unacceptable and tragic.

Make no mistake about it: If you find it acceptable to waste innocent lives in the hopes that one or two hamas terrorists might be exterminated, then you are a despicably vile, hypocritical, demonic entity. You are worse than the boko haram bomber - at least the latter makes no pretence about his intentions.

Yes you, I'm talking to you.

TWoods:
The West Bank is not the original name of the land... it is Judea/Samaria... read UN resolution 181. You people are blind bats, discussing a topic you know zero about.

Keep counting your unprovoked insults oh.

The term "jew" comes from the word "judea". Go figure.

Oh really? And just imagine! We didnt know that! Thank you for educating us! We also didnt know that the word "Nigeria" came from the River Niger! Nor did we know that the world "Gallic"comes from Gaul!

What a great teacher you are.

Get serious and stop making ridiculous assumptions that your co discussant does not know the most elementary things. It only shows you up as one who regards pedestrian and elementary knowledge as special knowledge!

alezzy13:
I have generally avoided this issue for reasons known to me.

However the recent attack on the is totally unacceptable and tragic.

Make no mistake about it: If you find it acceptable to waste innocent lives in the hopes that one or two hamas terrorists might be exterminated, then you are a despicably vile, hypocritical, demonic entity. You are worse than the boko haram bomber - at least the latter makes no pretence about his intentions.

Yes you, I'm talking to you.

Gbam. Thank you.

[quote author=seunmsg post=130168501][/quote]Why are these leaders so bias? You are calling for Immediate seize fire from Israel but not telling Hammas to release Israeli hostages. Which kind of evil judgment is that.
Must Israel forget more than 350 people in the den of its enemy?
America wont take such.
Only one America hostage can make them level up a whole country.
The other time they entered Nigeria to free their hostage in the hands of the Islamic Bandits. They did not even inform the Nigerian government.
Just imagine.

Tell Hammas to give Israel back her people and desist from terrorising the region. It is simple.

BolaAThubv:
Contrary to your claim that you're not a Muslim, you're a hardcore Jihadist. It is only Muslims that somehow believe Israel will be defeated and destroyed. You just exposed yourself with this your post.

Tell me how/why a normal person would wish for the destruction of Israel if you're not a raving Mohamedan maniac?

Maybe you cannot read. I did not wish for the destruction of Israel. I wished for the freedom of the oppressed Palestinian people from apartheid.

gurujoe:
Which world turn against Israel?
Israel is the 'new world' that every world needs to make progress. The west knows this and can't do shi*t

The same Israel that depends on America for weapons or which one? you can keep deceiving yourself.

alezzy13:
I have generally avoided this issue for reasons known to me.

However the recent attack on the camp is totally unacceptable and tragic.

Make no mistake about it: If you find it acceptable to waste innocent lives in the hopes that one or two hamas terrorists might be exterminated, then you are a despicably vile, hypocritical, demonic entity. You are worse than the boko haram bomber - at least the latter makes no pretence about his intentions.

Yes you, I'm talking to you.

How poetically wrong you are.

Are you asking Israel to forget the 350 Israeli hostages in the hands of Hammas?
No one is as evil as you are.
I am talking to. I mean you.

EponObi:
Dead all these virtue signaling and hypocrisy already. You didn't stop them in Gaza; you guys gave your support when Israel started the invasion last year. That was when the west should have drawn the line. It's too late now after signaling to Netanyahu you lots are weaklings.

The press conference by the US VP Kamala and Biden issuing stearn warning to Israel to stop the assault fell on deaf ears. After these, the US went ahead to approve war funding to Israel. Who are the Westerners deceiving?

November should come quickly so Trump can take the rein of global politics. The democrats and Biden have done enough damage.

Maybe you don't know that Trump/Republicans are a far greater supporter of Israel than Biden/Democrats 😅😂.

With Trump as president, Isreal will have 100% backing from the US

Kwaramustgoodag:
Israel need to listen to every advice, don't let world turn against them.

How, you say Israel should stop a war in which it is fighting set free its people that were taken hostage, how does that make sense?
The people are still being held captive
The possibility of the Oct 7 scene repeating itself is very much there.
All you know is that Israel must stop fighting for its safety and security now and in the near future.
Who will accept that when america was fighting ISIS, why didn't you people tell them to stop fighting because civilians were also been killed in the process.
Hamas should produce the hostages they are holding and the road to de-escalation would have started in ernest.

Akhaz024:
This are the babies Israel burnt and beheaded all in the sake of eliminating evil, you all called Hamas terrorists if you can support this act of barbarism then you are more worst than a terrorist.

TAQUIYA IS AN EVIL PLOT.


DESIST FROM EVIL

Akhaz024:
This are the babies Israel burnt and beheaded all in the sake of eliminating evil, you all called Hamas terrorists if you can support this act of barbarism then you are more worst than a terrorist.

Hamas is wicked!see how they bunrt this baby.

AuthorMan:
Why are these leaders so bias? You are calling for Immediate seize fire from Israel but not telling Hammas to release Israeli hostages. Which kind of evil judgment is that.
Must Israel forget more than 350 people in the den of its enemy?
America wont take such.
Only one America hostage can make them level up a whole country.
The other time they entered Nigeria to free their hostage in the hands of the Islamic Bandits. They did not even inform the Nigerian government.
Just imagine.

Tell Hammas to give Israel back her people and desist from terrorising the region. It is simple.

You guys can keep supporting evil, same Israel have been jailing, killing and torturing innocent palestinians for decades, where have you been then? do you think Hamas would have attacked Israel if Palestinians aren't tired of the killings and torturing going on for 75 years?


For instance, If someone comes to your land, you welcomed that person with open arms and gave that person some lands then later on the person starts stealing your lands and even killing your family members and relatives for 75 years, how would you take that?



Palestinian Jews, arabs and christians have been living peacefully together not until those evil Zionist European Jews came.